Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Dear Balaji, Thanks for the detailed analysis. One thing that troubled me a lot was the death during Sukra dasha. Though Sukra is in the star of Rahu, note that Sukra is the lord of 4th and 9th for Kumbha Lagna. And, Sukra is located in the fifth. I was more or less sure that with this ownership and placement, Sukra can not be a maraka. Hence, I was not too convinced about the birth time. I searched more and finally found another site giving a slightly different birth time: 2:30 am. Please refer to: http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1781099.cms With this, I get Meena lagna. Now, Sukra is the lord of the 3rd and the 8th and still in the nakshatra of Rahu. For me, this lagna looks more logical for the death during Sukra dasha. 1. Note that Ravi is at the junction of 2nd/3rd house (indicating neck), associated by Rahu (star lord of Sukra) and aspected by Sani (the bhukti lord of death). Budha in the third has exchanged houses with Sukra in the fourth. Sukra owns the third house and has a parivartana with Budha. 2. Death took place during Sukra-Sani-Sani period. Note that Sukra and Sani are together in Navamsa aspecting Lagna and Chandra. Sani is with Chandra in Rasi. Sani is a top rate maraka from Chandra both in Rasi and in Navamsa. 3. The 22nd drekkana will be first drekkana for Libra. BV Raman in his book " How to Judge a Horoscope - Vol II " says - " The 22nd drekkana falling in different signs gives a clue to the cause of deatha " . According to him, first drekkana of Libra is ruled by Sukra and the reason for death is given as woman/fall/animal. 4. 10th lord Guru occupies own house and aspects Sun, Rahu, Sukra and Kuja. I feel that this combination indicates the profession as a coach in sports field. And, someone interested in experimenting with unconventional/unorthodox techniques (as Guru and Rahu aspect each other). 5. Comparison of Lagna lord and 12th lords: Lagna lord Guru is in own house and Kendra in Rasi and in enemy's house in Navamsa. The 12th lord Sani is in enemy's house in Rasi and in own house and Kendra in navamsa. One additional point is Lagna lord is retrograde. Hence, I consider that 12th lord stronger than the lagna lord. When the 12th lord is stronger than the lagna lord, the native is likely to spend a lot of time away from his place of birth. Woolmer was sent to UK at a pretty young age and lived mostly outside his country of birth. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna --- Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > Lucius Thomas, the Commissioner of Police for the > Jamaica Constabulary Force, in a statement[1] > mentioned that " The pathologist report is now > available and states that Mr Woolmer's death was due > to asphyxia as a result of manual strangulation. In > these circumstances, the matter of Mr Robert Woolmer's > death is now being treated by the Jamaica Police as a > case of murder. " > > According to a reputed Website[2], Bob Woolmer's birth > data is as follows: > > Bob Woolmer > 14 May 1948 > 2:15 AM > Kanpur > 26n28, 80e21 > > And this is the chart we get: > > +------+------+------+------+ > +------+------+------+------+ > | | su | bu | sk | | | ke | ku | > lg | > | | ra | | | | | | bu | > | > | | | | | | | | gu* | > | > +------+------+------+------+ > +------+------+------+------+ > | lg | | ch | | | | > ch | > | | | sa | | | | > | > | | | | | | | > | > +------+ +------+ +------+ > +------+ > | | | ku | | sk | | > | > | | | | | sa | | > | > | | | | | | | > | > +------+------+------+------+ > +------+------+------+------+ > | gu* | | ke | | | su | | ra | > | > | | | | | | | | | > | > | | | | | | | | | > | > +------+------+------+------+ > +------+------+------+------+ > > lg pbha/3 > su krit/1 > ch purn/4 > bu rohi/2 > sk arid/2 > ku makh/2 > gu mool/2 > sa asle/2 > ra bhar/3 > ke vish/1 > > OBSERVATIONS > > 1. He had Kumba Lagna (27 degrees, 20 minutes), with > Chandra posited in Kataka in Punarvasu, 4th pada. > > 2. He was running sk - sa - sa (27 December 2006 to 28 > June 2007) when he died on 18 March 2007. > > 3. Sukra is placed in the 5th and disposited by Budha, > whose moolatrikona falls in the 8th. Sukra also > occupies Rahu's star and is aspected by vakra 2nd lord > Guru. > > 4. Sani, who is the Lagnadipati and also the lord of > the 12th, is placed in the 6th, conjunct 6th lord, in > the star of 8th lord Budha. In the Navamsa, Sani is > placed in his own house, in the 8th. > > 5. According to BPHS [44.9] " Should Saturn be > ill-disposed and be related to a maraka planet, he > will be the first to kill in preference to other > planets. " Here, Sani is inimically placed in the 6th > in the house of a great enemy. > > 6. BPHS [44.34] also states that, " According to the > 3rd house being a movable, fixed, or dual sign, death > will be in a foreign place (other than native place), > in one's own house, or on the way. " Since the third > falls in a movable house, death was in a foreign > place. > > 7. The rising drekkan is the last one of Kumba. > Therefore, the 22nd drekkan falls in the final 10 > degrees of Kanya, which is described in the Brihat > Jataka as " A female, yellowish, covered by a white > silk cloth, tall, holding a pot and a spoon, and going > to a temple with great sanctity. " This is a feminine > drekkan, which is ruled by Sukra. > > 8. The 64th Navamsa is also an indicator of death, and > the Navamsa concerned is the 99th one. By adding 64, > we get the last navamsa of Kanya, which falls in the > second pada of Kuja's star Chit. This corresponds to > the same drekkan outlined above and falls in Kanya. > > 9. Budha occupies the 4th house [conditions at close > of life], while Rahu, who is conjunct 7th lord Surya, > occupies the 3rd house [cause of own death]. > > 10. In Woolmer's chart, Sani aspects the 3rd and the > 8th house, while Kuja aspects the 2nd house, the 12th > from his own house, the 3rd. > > 11. When death occurred on 18 March 2007, Sukra was > transiting the 3rd house in the star of 10th lord > Ketu, who was in the 7th from Lagna. Sani was in the > 6th in the star of 8th lord Budha, who was in the > first house, in 3rd lord Kuja's star Dhanishta. > > THOUGHTS > > 1. The third is occupied by Surya, and this indicates > that death could have been because of the displeasure > of those in power. The presence of the 7th lord in the > 3rd also indicates death through business partners. > > 2. Rahu's conjunction with Surya could imply shadowy > business partners, namely connections with the world > of betting and match fixing in cricket. > > 3. Reports claim that some bones near the neck were > broken. The third house of the throat/neck is occupied > by Surya, the karaka for bones. The third is aspected > by AD/PD natha Sani, who also rules respiratory > problems. > > 4. The presence of illusion maker Rahu in the 3rd > could indicate that it might be hard to find the > culprits and bring them to book. > > 5. The 22nd drekkan and the 64th navamsa refer to a > woman. Could a woman be involved in this incident? > > REFERENCES > > [1] > http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200703230918.htm > [2] > http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/15/stories/2005041504371800.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Dear List, A chart should be verified first, based on certain events of his life, along with dasha and found satisfied correct before working on it, when it pertains to a famous person like Bob. With the available information at my disposal and Kanpur (UP) as the birthplace, Pisces was rising at the time of birth, the death is explainable very well within the simple and accepted rules of Parashara. 1. He died an unnatural death. The dasha was of Venus/Saturn/Saturn. Venus is the 8th lord and 3rd Lord from Lagna. Venus has to give the results of Ketu also the planet of mystery and secrets that is in 8th house of intrigues. Saturn is the 12th lord placed with Moon and promising a portent. Saturn is the 8th lord from Moon placed in Lagna with Moon. Saturn in is the constellation of Mercury who is the 7th lord from Lagna and 3rd & 12th lord from Moon. In D-3 Venus is the 8th lord is in 8th House and he is the 3rd lord too. Saturn the 12th lord of foreign places in the Lagna influenced by the planet of violence Mars from 6th connecting the 12th and the Lagna and the Pratyantar dasha lord Saturn. His death takes place in a foreign place under mysterious conditions and could be very well termed as a violent one. 2. Her mother had delivered him in a hospital while the initial dasha of JUP/MAR/VEN. Mars from the 6th house influencing the 12th and the Lagna. Venus the 8th Lord in the 4th house of mother influencing the Ascendant Lord Jupiter explains the event clearly. 3. The initial dasha of JUP/MAR/VEN is another indication that the chart in question could be treated as a right one. It is again well within the accepted principles of Parashara. 4. " After his birth, Woolmer's family shifted to England but memories of Macrobert Hospital remained with him forever. For this, after arriving in India in 2005, Woolmer had expressed his desire to visit his birth place and the Lal Imli Mill, where his father used to work, " . (here i am quoting from an Internet story) Venus the 8th Lord of dislocation and obstacles placed in the 4th house of residence aspecting the Jupiter Maha Dasha Lord. Mars the 9th lord of father and long journeys in the 6th house and influencing the 12th house of foreign places. From the Moon, the 4th house has a malefic indicates the residence was to be changed. Jupiter the Maha dasa lord from 6th influencing the 4th lord of residence Venus in 12th. They are under mutual influence. 5. The mutual influence of Venus and Jupiter in Rashi placed in 4:10 axis reveals the disturbance in his professional life and promises the instability and intrigues. The 9th lord of teacher (coaching) goes to 6th who is also the 2nd lord of income. He is influenced by the 10th lord of Jupiter from 10th. If one pays close attention to this combination, well, one can easily understand the reason for enmity he had from different quarters. We have already seen the role of Venus the 8th lord from 4th. Saturn with Rahu in 12th house of Dasamsa gives the clue why he is always away from his residence for profession. Here, Mars with Venus from the 11th house of income influences the 2nd is an interesting situation. 6. It goes without saying the exchange of Mars and Sun is to be considered very carefully. One should hasten slowly here. I do not wish to elaborate further here for obvious reasons. See the implications of this exchange from Moon. In this regard, one can see the position of Sun and Mars and their relation in D-9 also. 7. Consider the chart carefully from the Moon, the psychology of this man gets unfolded. The most volatile combination is the Saturn and Moon in the 5th in Rasi. Saturn is in the constellation of Mercury who is placed in the 8th of Dasamsa aspecting the 2nd house. Now see the role of Saturn and Moon in D-9. Still certain important events have to be verified such as his marriage, education and children before accepting this chart under consideration is correct. Perhaps Pisces could be his lagna. I am not sure. Swamy. Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 I sent this message yesterday. somehow, did not get posted. Sending it again. Krishna --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:16:22 -0700 (PDT) > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > Re: How did Woolmer die? > jyotish-vidya > > Dear Balaji, > > Thanks for the detailed analysis. One thing that troubled me a > lot was the death during Sukra dasha. Though Sukra is in the > star of Rahu, note that Sukra is the lord of 4th and 9th for > Kumbha Lagna. And, Sukra is located in the fifth. I was more > or > less sure that with this ownership and placement, Sukra can > not > be a maraka. Hence, I was not too convinced about the birth > time. I searched more and finally found another site giving a > slightly different birth time: 2:30 am. Please refer to: > > http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1781099.cms > > With this, I get Meena lagna. Now, Sukra is the lord of the > 3rd > and the 8th and still in the nakshatra of Rahu. For me, this > lagna looks more logical for the death during Sukra dasha. > > 1. Note that Ravi is at the junction of 2nd/3rd house > (indicating neck), associated by Rahu (star lord of Sukra) and > aspected by Sani (the bhukti lord of death). Budha in the > third > has exchanged houses with Sukra in the fourth. Sukra owns the > third house and has a parivartana with Budha. > > 2. Death took place during Sukra-Sani-Sani period. Note that > Sukra and Sani are together in Navamsa aspecting Lagna and > Chandra. Sani is with Chandra in Rasi. Sani is a top rate > maraka > from Chandra both in Rasi and in Navamsa. > > 3. The 22nd drekkana will be first drekkana for Libra. BV > Raman > in his book " How to Judge a Horoscope - Vol II " says - " The > 22nd > drekkana falling in different signs gives a clue to the cause > of > deatha " . According to him, first drekkana of Libra is ruled by > Sukra and the reason for death is given as woman/fall/animal. > > 4. 10th lord Guru occupies own house and aspects Sun, Rahu, > Sukra and Kuja. I feel that this combination indicates the > profession as a coach in sports field. And, someone interested > in experimenting with unconventional/unorthodox techniques (as > Guru and Rahu aspect each other). > > 5. Comparison of Lagna lord and 12th lords: Lagna lord Guru is > in own house and Kendra in Rasi and in enemy's house in > Navamsa. > The 12th lord Sani is in enemy's house in Rasi and in own > house > and Kendra in navamsa. One additional point is Lagna lord is > retrograde. Hence, I consider that 12th lord stronger than the > lagna lord. When the 12th lord is stronger than the lagna > lord, > the native is likely to spend a lot of time away from his > place > of birth. Woolmer was sent to UK at a pretty young age and > lived > mostly outside his country of birth. > > Comments welcome. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > Lucius Thomas, the Commissioner of Police for the > > Jamaica Constabulary Force, in a statement[1] > > mentioned that " The pathologist report is now > > available and states that Mr Woolmer's death was due > > to asphyxia as a result of manual strangulation. In > > these circumstances, the matter of Mr Robert Woolmer's > > death is now being treated by the Jamaica Police as a > > case of murder. " > > > > According to a reputed Website[2], Bob Woolmer's birth > > data is as follows: > > > > Bob Woolmer > > 14 May 1948 > > 2:15 AM > > Kanpur > > 26n28, 80e21 > > > > And this is the chart we get: > > > > +------+------+------+------+ > > +------+------+------+------+ > > | | su | bu | sk | | | ke | ku | > > lg | > > | | ra | | | | | | bu | > > | > > | | | | | | | | gu* | > > | > > +------+------+------+------+ > > +------+------+------+------+ > > | lg | | ch | | | | > > ch | > > | | | sa | | | | > > | > > | | | | | | | > > | > > +------+ +------+ +------+ > > +------+ > > | | | ku | | sk | | > > | > > | | | | | sa | | > > | > > | | | | | | | > > | > > +------+------+------+------+ > > +------+------+------+------+ > > | gu* | | ke | | | su | | ra | > > | > > | | | | | | | | | > > | > > | | | | | | | | | > > | > > +------+------+------+------+ > > +------+------+------+------+ > > > > lg pbha/3 > > su krit/1 > > ch purn/4 > > bu rohi/2 > > sk arid/2 > > ku makh/2 > > gu mool/2 > > sa asle/2 > > ra bhar/3 > > ke vish/1 > > > > OBSERVATIONS > > > > 1. He had Kumba Lagna (27 degrees, 20 minutes), with > > Chandra posited in Kataka in Punarvasu, 4th pada. > > > > 2. He was running sk - sa - sa (27 December 2006 to 28 > > June 2007) when he died on 18 March 2007. > > > > 3. Sukra is placed in the 5th and disposited by Budha, > > whose moolatrikona falls in the 8th. Sukra also > > occupies Rahu's star and is aspected by vakra 2nd lord > > Guru. > > > > 4. Sani, who is the Lagnadipati and also the lord of > > the 12th, is placed in the 6th, conjunct 6th lord, in > > the star of 8th lord Budha. In the Navamsa, Sani is > > placed in his own house, in the 8th. > > > > 5. According to BPHS [44.9] " Should Saturn be > > ill-disposed and be related to a maraka planet, he > > will be the first to kill in preference to other > > planets. " Here, Sani is inimically placed in the 6th > > in the house of a great enemy. > > > > 6. BPHS [44.34] also states that, " According to the > > 3rd house being a movable, fixed, or dual sign, death > > will be in a foreign place (other than native place), > > in one's own house, or on the way. " Since the third > > falls in a movable house, death was in a foreign > > place. > > > > 7. The rising drekkan is the last one of Kumba. > > Therefore, the 22nd drekkan falls in the final 10 > > degrees of Kanya, which is described in the Brihat > > Jataka as " A female, yellowish, covered by a white > > silk cloth, tall, holding a pot and a spoon, and going > > to a temple with great sanctity. " This is a feminine > > drekkan, which is ruled by Sukra. > > > > 8. The 64th Navamsa is also an indicator of death, and > > the Navamsa concerned is the 99th one. By adding 64, > > we get the last navamsa of Kanya, which falls in the > > second pada of Kuja's star Chit. This corresponds to > > the same drekkan outlined above and falls in Kanya. > > > > 9. Budha occupies the 4th house [conditions at close > > of life], while Rahu, who is conjunct 7th lord Surya, > > occupies the 3rd house [cause of own death]. > > > > 10. In Woolmer's chart, Sani aspects the 3rd and the > > 8th house, while Kuja aspects the 2nd house, the 12th > > from his own house, the 3rd. > > > > 11. When death occurred on 18 March 2007, Sukra was > > transiting the 3rd house in the star of 10th lord > > Ketu, who was in the 7th from Lagna. Sani was in the > > 6th in the star of 8th lord Budha, who was in the > > first house, in 3rd lord Kuja's star Dhanishta. > > > > THOUGHTS > > > > 1. The third is occupied by Surya, and this indicates > > that death could have been because of the displeasure > > of those in power. The presence of the 7th lord in the > > 3rd also indicates death through business partners. > > > > 2. Rahu's conjunction with Surya could imply shadowy > > business partners, namely connections with the world > > of betting and match fixing in cricket. > > > > 3. Reports claim that some bones near the neck were > > broken. The third house of the throat/neck is occupied > > by Surya, the karaka for bones. The third is aspected > > by AD/PD natha Sani, who also rules respiratory > > problems. > > > > 4. The presence of illusion maker Rahu in the 3rd > > could indicate that it might be hard to find the > > culprits and bring them to book. > > > > 5. The 22nd drekkan and the 64th navamsa refer to a > > woman. Could a woman be involved in this incident? > > > > REFERENCES > > > > [1] > > > http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200703230918.htm > > [2] > > http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/15/stories/2005041504371800.htm > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > http://tv./collections/265 > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Krishnamurthy ji, ///I searched more and finally found another site giving a slightly different birth time: 2:30 am./// I checked it out too anmd found Meena Lagna. However, I decided to go with the Hindu article because this was something that was dated in 2005, BEFORE Woolmer's death happened! Of course, even seen from your angle of 2:30 AM, the analysis holds. Maybe, somebody else can help us to find out from another source what the time is? I mean, one source sats " 2:15 " another says " 2:30 " . If we were to get a third source that confirms one of the above, it would strengthen the argument. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Dear Balaji, I am happy to notice that even Muthukumaraswamy ji also used Meena lagna to explain the death. It does not mean that both of us are correct and you are wrong. It could be other way around as well. We are all learning still. However, I feel more confident to analyse things from a death angle as I have spent a lot of time analysing lot of charts for death. And, with Kumbha lagna for this native is least likely to give death during Sukra MD. And, I am pretty confident about it. Regards, Krishna --- Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > Krishnamurthy ji, > > ///I searched more and finally found another site > giving a slightly different birth time: 2:30 am./// > > I checked it out too anmd found Meena Lagna. However, > I decided to go with the Hindu article because this > was something that was dated in 2005, BEFORE Woolmer's > death happened! > > Of course, even seen from your angle of 2:30 AM, the > analysis holds. Maybe, somebody else can help us to > find out from another source what the time is? > > I mean, one source sats " 2:15 " another says " 2:30 " . If > we were to get a third source that confirms one of the > above, it would strengthen the argument. > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers > users. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Krishnamurthy ji, ///I am happy to notice that even Muthukumaraswamy ji also used Meena lagna to explain the death./// Same here! :-) ///It does not mean that both of us are correct and you are wrong. It could be other way around as well. We are all learning still./// Unfortunately, until we have a most reliable source - like Rodden's DB - there is always a chance that the data is wrong. ///And, with Kumbha lagna for this native is least likely to give death during Sukra MD. And, I am pretty confident about it./// I also felt this, so I checked up BPHS and found that Sani is capable of giving death. Since he was running Sani AD and PD, I felt that this was possible. But, there is still one thing--with Meena as Lagna, the third house is a fixed house, so this might indicate death at home, right? From Kumba, the third is moveable, indicating death in a foreign place. But, both of us arguing between Kumba and Meena will not settle the issue! :-) Maybe, Wendy ji, who has a lot of experience in correcting birth charts, would like to comment? Also, Krishnamurthy ji, could I request you to go one or two levels deeper than PD, with both times - 2:15 and 2:30 AM? Unfortunately, the software I use gives only MD/AD and PD! ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Dear Balaji, //I checked up BPHS and found that Sani is capable of giving death. Since he was running Sani AD and PD, I felt that this was possible.// In fact, Sani is even a stronger maraka than Sukra for this chart. However, death did not come in Sani MD as it falls in the alpayu period. And, there are no indications of alpayu death in the chart. //But, there is still one thing--with Meena as Lagna, the third house is a fixed house, so this might indicate death at home, right? From Kumba, the third is moveable, indicating death in a foreign place.// You may have apoint here. However, does it happen that way in each and every case? I am not sure. Let us take up some examples of cases with good Rodden rating on the birth data: 1. Marilyn Monroe - Rodden Rating AA - Third house is Dual sign - Died in her own apartment in California (where she was born). 2. Charle Baudelaire (French Poet) - Rodden Rating AA - Third house is a Movable sign - Born in Paris, died in his mother's arms in Paris. 3. Albert Einstein - Rodden Rating AA - Third house is a Fixed sign - Born in Germany and died in the US (in Hospital) Hence, I would not use the dictum as a decisive thing. //Also, Krishnamurthy ji, could I request you to go one or two levels deeper than PD, with both times - 2:15 and 2:30 AM? Unfortunately, the software I use gives only MD/AD and PD!// with 2:30am, the period of death is Sukra-Sani-Sani-Rahu with 2:15am, the period of death is Sukra-Sani-Sani-Sukra Regards, Krishna --- Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > Krishnamurthy ji, > > ///I am happy to notice that even Muthukumaraswamy ji > also used Meena lagna to explain the death./// > > Same here! :-) > > ///It does not mean that both of us are correct and > you are wrong. It could be other way around as well. > We are all learning still./// > > Unfortunately, until we have a most reliable source - > like Rodden's DB - there is always a chance that the > data is wrong. > > ///And, with Kumbha lagna for this native is least > likely to give death during Sukra MD. And, I am pretty > confident about it./// > > I also felt this, so I checked up BPHS and found that > Sani is capable of giving death. Since he was running > Sani AD and PD, I felt that this was possible. > > But, there is still one thing--with Meena as Lagna, > the third house is a fixed house, so this might > indicate death at home, right? From Kumba, the third > is moveable, indicating death in a foreign place. > > But, both of us arguing between Kumba and Meena will > not settle the issue! :-) Maybe, Wendy ji, who has a > lot of experience in correcting birth charts, would > like to comment? > > Also, Krishnamurthy ji, could I request you to go one > or two levels deeper than PD, with both times - 2:15 > and 2:30 AM? Unfortunately, the software I use gives > only MD/AD and PD! > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Dear friends, I have not only expalined the death but also other known events too keeping Pisces lagna for him. For death to happen in a foreign place, there are other combinations also available in the classics apart from the third house being a movable one. Unfortunately I dont have other events to verify. He was an acute Diabetic patient (type 2 diabetic ) that could also be expalined from Pisces lagna, being Jupiter retrograde and aspecting two malefics in second house and connecting the 6th house. Retrograde benefics are not supporting the health even if they are natural benefics and placed in its own house. Note the position of the planets from Moon. You would get the clear indication of this area too. Swamy. jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Krishnamurthy ji, > > ///I am happy to notice that even Muthukumaraswamy ji > also used Meena lagna to explain the death./// > > Same here! :-) > > ///It does not mean that both of us are correct and > you are wrong. It could be other way around as well. > We are all learning still./// > > Unfortunately, until we have a most reliable source - > like Rodden's DB - there is always a chance that the > data is wrong. > > ///And, with Kumbha lagna for this native is least > likely to give death during Sukra MD. And, I am pretty > confident about it./// > > I also felt this, so I checked up BPHS and found that > Sani is capable of giving death. Since he was running > Sani AD and PD, I felt that this was possible. > > But, there is still one thing--with Meena as Lagna, > the third house is a fixed house, so this might > indicate death at home, right? From Kumba, the third > is moveable, indicating death in a foreign place. > > But, both of us arguing between Kumba and Meena will > not settle the issue! :-) Maybe, Wendy ji, who has a > lot of experience in correcting birth charts, would > like to comment? > > Also, Krishnamurthy ji, could I request you to go one > or two levels deeper than PD, with both times - 2:15 > and 2:30 AM? Unfortunately, the software I use gives > only MD/AD and PD! > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Krishnamurthy ji, ///You may have apoint here. However, does it happen that way in each and every case?/// Ok, ok, you do have a point! :-) Maybe, Wendy ji would like to comment? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Dear Balaji and All, To verify the chart it's necessary to confirm some major events in life i.e., marriage, divorce, birth of children, relocation etc, etc... I have not been able to find enough (personal) information to check this. However I have a theory that his death may have been the result of an altercation between himself and another person (or persons) over the unexpected result of the match between Pakistan/Ireland. It's quite possible that match fixing was the reason behind the loss and a confrontation took place between Woolmer and those he suspected of being involved. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:34 PM Re: How did Woolmer die? Krishnamurthy ji, ///You may have apoint here. However, does it happen that way in each and every case?/// Ok, ok, you do have a point! :-) Maybe, Wendy ji would like to comment? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Wendy ji, ///To verify the chart it's necessary to confirm some major events in life i.e., marriage, divorce, birth of children, relocation etc, etc... I have not been able to find enough (personal) information to check this./// Same problem here! Of course, whenever I have tried rectification, I have found the process to be so confusing, it just ends up giving me a very bad headache! :-( ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Dear Balaji, Rectifying the time within 4mins can certainly be a real headache...something I don't tackle any more. However determining lagna is (usually) not so difficult providing enough information is available. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Friday, March 30, 2007 1:31 PM Re: How did Woolmer die? Wendy ji, ///To verify the chart it's necessary to confirm some major events in life i.e., marriage, divorce, birth of children, relocation etc, etc... I have not been able to find enough (personal) information to check this./// Same problem here! Of course, whenever I have tried rectification, I have found the process to be so confusing, it just ends up giving me a very bad headache! :-( ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Wendy ji, ///Rectifying the time within 4mins can certainly be a real headache/// Here, we have two times - 2:15 and 2:30. With 2:15, we get Kumba Lagna and with 2:30, we get Meena Lagna! :-( ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________\ ____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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