Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Dear Vic Death is not a subject to be easily given as a reading to anyone. Astrology is about life, hope, direction, coming out of a dark phase, seeing light at the end of the tunnel....in the process we may see some good predictions hitting the bulls eye but that is not the scope, we 1st have to lift people out of a tough pahse and help them move on. Bhaskar is right in his saying it is not a subject to predict before hand and it is given only when necessary say to a suffering or terminally sick person to someone where he is a job of risk say armed forces, cops etc as the family has a stake in it. you r right death is dealt in extensively by classics in knowing it and as u wud have seen there many parameters, combinations, dasa levels, transits etc to synchronise them and this u will do only for the needy in all other cases u will come close to it and give up on ur own. [...lets see later] u need to know the rules, and methods well even to do it now to improve ur skills I am sure u have heard of the1 2 books ASTROLOGY OF DEATH by robert Hauck Planets inOrbit [transit] by Mahendra pratap singh [this covers transits at various levels and its outcome and during maraka periods what the transits can indicate. AS FAR AS PLANNING U ARE PARTLY RIGHT as if u have got a gist of the Ashramas system the 1st Brahamacharya and last vanaprastha are socialist in nature in between u r in a capatilist world but the shades of socialsitic life at the early academic life will make u less greedy, avaracious and will allow u to time ur vavaprastha in grace and in both phases they gave back a lot ot nature [natural forest guards, keepers, groomers] and what u cud probably sharpen is by mixing ur thots with the ones u got from every one here and u need to live all what u want to do in vanaprashta in some % even now some charity in terms of cahs, time with a old age home or orphanage or disaster struck community if u look at how Mumbai people did help one another during floods, or comunal strifes is amazing people distribute food water, clothing free to as many as they can this involves not only pooling money but they cook, serve one another, rich or poor irrespective of community, religion these people r models to look forward to as they have seen many hard times and they share what they made in good times with the people in bad times even when they r part of it *whatever we want to do it is not at the end of the road but along the road* there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who thinks of me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the unlawful,criminal people doing this... as I remember one case who requests us regularly to know when he is likely to die as he will ask his doctor to give him a cyanide pill, doesnt want to suffer at the time of death we have predicted as said to rerminally ill people on the tithi, vara nakshatra, masa, phase of the day etc. [this is how our rishis have laid it] just to the selct few I had alrready said. nevertheless a good question and does help us know and make life more meaningfil. Best wishes On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > Dear Bhashkar, > > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of your > point of view and adopt it. > > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni gives > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that > should not usually be done? > > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I would > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning as > to why I do believe it is a blessing: > > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our death. > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly. For > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I will > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the normal > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice thing > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely going > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit my > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids and > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see? > > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with a far > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But this is > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking it. > > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous. This > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to a " client " > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough wisdom > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are multiple > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself. > > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you hold > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject. > > Thank you, > Vic > > > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > Dear Vic, > > > > Its not easy to predict death. > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native > > unless necessary. > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least. > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death. > > > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhashkar, > > > > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death is > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able > > to > > > set his own time of death. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Vic > > > > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native. > > > > The point to be understood is the application > > > > part, and its utility. > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack, > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique > > > > has to be himself empowered to know > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the > > > > native., or suppose the same native had > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly > > > > in advance, to make his will, so > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would > > > > lie in peace after his death. > > > > > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the > > > > utility of the query. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandiyan, > > > > > > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@> > > > > wrote: Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also > > > > empowered > > > > > to kill a native. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Dear Vic, //your mind will fixate only upon the things to which it has developed the habbit of attachment to throughout the days and nights of your lifetime. " Therefore you should *always* think of me! " // This reminds me of another passage of scripture: *Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.* Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:34 AM Re: Re: Predicting Date of Death I would like to address a point raised by Su and Prashant (sorry if i missed the name - i know it's not " astrodesk " and i know it's not " best wishes " ) On May 30, 2008, at 6:07 PM, vreality_au wrote: > Should we do that which we deem important only at the promise or > threat of death? As one wise man said " we should live each moment as > if Death were sitting upon our shoulders " . > On May 30, 2008, at 11:05 AM, astro desk wrote: > there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who > thinks of > me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the > unlawful,criminal people doing this... Su - *should* we only do important things when we are reminded of death? No we shouldn't but (as you noted) YES we do. We are humans. We forget things unless we are reminded. That's why reminders are helpful to our progress and fruitful life. That's why I think including an expected lifespan is a very great service to provide in the reading of a birth chart to a person over the age of 20. Prashant - I can't let this reference to Gita go unreplied to. Obeisance to Srila Vishvanath Chakravarti for his genius commentary on Gita which illumites the following point: The shlok you quote ( " Whomever remembers me at the time of death shall come to me. " ) is the 5th shlok in Chapter 8. In response Arjun's eyebrows raise in disbelief. Thus the next shlok krishna supports his statement logically, saying, " **whatever** occupies your mind at the moment of death will draw your consciousness to your next destination " . Still Arjun has doubts - in fact, the very same doubt that you have expressed - " therefore a hellish person who never once had a pious thought in his life can just stick a picture of you in front of his face when he dies and thus attain Vaikunth??? " Krishna replies in Shlok 7: You cannot artificially control your mind at the moment of death. Even with a picture of me in front of you, your mind will fixate only upon the things to which it has developed the habbit of attachment to throughout the days and nights of your lifetime. " Therefore you should *always* think of me! " And Sklok 8 confirms: The only one who can remember God at death is one who has meditated upon Him consistently throughout life ( " na anya gamina cetasa " ). Rest of the chapter is then a reply to Arjun's next request... " since i should meditate on you regularly - HOW should i do so? " THANKS, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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