Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 well noted Mrs. Wendy, but i feel calling you respected wendy ji will be more suitable for me, if you do not get anger in this addressing. kind rgds niket jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Like Bhaskar, I too believe that it's important to address people in the > right manner. There was a time (on this group) when people, unfamiliar > with my name, were addressing me as Sir. I thought the best way to > correct this would be to put " Mrs.Wendy " in my signature...which is > included automatically at the foot of all my mails unless I (remember to) > take the trouble to change it. > > I'm in my 60's now and have to say I still have not adjusted to the > younger generation's way of casually addressing the older generation by > their first name. I find it disrespectful in the extreme. My children's > partners do this, unfortunately, and it really bothers me...I have to > accept it for the sake of harmony but I'll never feel comfortable with > it. > > The salutation " Madam " can have other connotations in certain societies. > For instance the owner of a brothel is referred to as " Madam " . > > Surely it cannot be too difficult to address people with the proper > salutation. I have to be honest and say that I am not comfortable being > addressed as Madam as I am neither the wife of a foreign dignitary nor am > I the owner of a brothel. > > Mrs.Wendy is to my mind a fair compromise (bridging the gap) between the > casual younger generation and the more traditional older generation. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > - > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish > <jyotish-vidya > > Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:24 PM > Re: Yogoda > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > But I am still from the old mould. > > Yes I understand this predicament. > I have to undergo it many times. It > is normal to address anyone with > first name today and is not > considered disrespectful. > In Bombay we are into this shift of > mode several times a week. > I remember 10-12 years ago, > I had done a course on Landmark > Forum, under a good speaker > known as Ferdie. There the > audience all 300 of them > including me, were addressing each > other by first name only. For me it > was the start of a embarassing > situation for the first time in Life, that > time for was not accustomed to > addressing elders by age or by > status, by their first names. > Their calling me so did not > bother me, and neither > your calling me so makes any > difference at all , for now several > years have passed since that > experience and been through this > a thousand times. To becalled as > " Bhaskar " is not a problem for me, > but not to add a ji, to the person with > whom I communicate, makes me > uncomfortable. > > Just recently 2 weeks ago, at the > Moderators meet, I was feeling > pretty disturbed to address the > Community manager, a young lady, > Shefali, whom every one addressed as > 'Shefali', but I could not come to those > terms and still address her as " Shefaliji " . > She being a lady, and an important > Head of a big Company like , > there was no way i could bring myself to > address her by first name, even > though the atmosphere was party > atmosphere. > > In the Marwadi circles we move, at most > of the homes, they addtress the > servants also as " aap " and " ji " . > I cannot enter this transition, as it > will spoil my vocabulary at wrong places > due to force of habit, which would be > developed, if i start doing this. > Hence you may please address me > as Bhaskar with Love, > but for me I do not > know when I would be comfortable > with this, from my side. > > Though you may find me sometimes > doing so, when i address many natives > much younger, or with kiddish queries, > or when these younger ones > act affectionately. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy Kindly accept my sincere apology for the troubles I have created. In our culture we donot like to call seniors by their name, so I used a different word. In school and even college we used to call all female teachers with the word " madam " . This is what wikipedia has to say about the word madam ----------------- Use as a form of address *Madam* is used in direct address, without the woman's name, for example when addressed by a stranger: *May I help you, madam?* In the United States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, " Ma'am " is usually used. The male equivalent is sir<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir>. Spelling of the word is often quarreled; some argue it is spelled " M'am " while it is widely accepted the correct form is " Ma'am " . [edit<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madam & action=edit & section=2> ] Formal address and protocol In English-speaking countries, the wife of a foreign dignitary is called * Madame* (note final 'e') in direct address and formal correspondence, rather than the equivalent word in the person's native language (*Señora*, *Frau*etc.). After addressing her as " Your Majesty, " it is proper to address The Queen of the United Kingdom <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_monarchy#Style> as " Ma'am " for the remainder of the conversation, with the pronunciation as in " ham " and not as in " farm " . Usage of " Ma'am " is common in the Southern United States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States>. The Ascension Parish, Louisiana<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Parish%2C_Louisiana>Public School System requires elementary school students to address female teachers as " Ma'am " or " Mrs./Ms./Miss (Family name) " .[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madam#cite_note-2> [edit<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madam & action=edit & section=3> ] In composed titles *Madam* is also used as the equivalent of Mister (Mr)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr>in composed titles, such as *Madam Justice*, *Madam Speaker*, *Madam President*. Most of these titles are usually used only in direct address, without the woman's last name: one would say *President Smith*, not *Madam President Smith*, even if one would address her to her face as *Madam President.* However, the title *Madam Justice* is used in third-person reference: *Madam Justice Louise Arbour <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Arbour>, Madam Justice Arbour*. ----------------- Still, Your point taken. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Members, > > Like Bhaskar, I too believe that it's important to address people in the > right manner. There was a time (on this group) when people, unfamiliar > with my name, were addressing me as Sir. I thought the best way to > correct this would be to put " Mrs.Wendy " in my signature...which is > included automatically at the foot of all my mails unless I (remember to) > take the trouble to change it. > > I'm in my 60's now and have to say I still have not adjusted to the > younger generation's way of casually addressing the older generation by > their first name. I find it disrespectful in the extreme. My children's > partners do this, unfortunately, and it really bothers me...I have to > accept it for the sake of harmony but I'll never feel comfortable with > it. > > The salutation " Madam " can have other connotations in certain societies. > For instance the owner of a brothel is referred to as " Madam " . > > Surely it cannot be too difficult to address people with the proper > salutation. I have to be honest and say that I am not comfortable being > addressed as Madam as I am neither the wife of a foreign dignitary nor am > I the owner of a brothel. > > Mrs.Wendy is to my mind a fair compromise (bridging the gap) between the > casual younger generation and the more traditional older generation. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:24 PM > Re: Yogoda > > Dear Krishnaji, > > But I am still from the old mould. > > Yes I understand this predicament. > I have to undergo it many times. It > is normal to address anyone with > first name today and is not > considered disrespectful. > In Bombay we are into this shift of > mode several times a week. > I remember 10-12 years ago, > I had done a course on Landmark > Forum, under a good speaker > known as Ferdie. There the > audience all 300 of them > including me, were addressing each > other by first name only. For me it > was the start of a embarassing > situation for the first time in Life, that > time for was not accustomed to > addressing elders by age or by > status, by their first names. > Their calling me so did not > bother me, and neither > your calling me so makes any > difference at all , for now several > years have passed since that > experience and been through this > a thousand times. To becalled as > " Bhaskar " is not a problem for me, > but not to add a ji, to the person with > whom I communicate, makes me > uncomfortable. > > Just recently 2 weeks ago, at the > Moderators meet, I was feeling > pretty disturbed to address the > Community manager, a young lady, > Shefali, whom every one addressed as > 'Shefali', but I could not come to those > terms and still address her as " Shefaliji " . > She being a lady, and an important > Head of a big Company like , > there was no way i could bring myself to > address her by first name, even > though the atmosphere was party > atmosphere. > > In the Marwadi circles we move, at most > of the homes, they addtress the > servants also as " aap " and " ji " . > I cannot enter this transition, as it > will spoil my vocabulary at wrong places > due to force of habit, which would be > developed, if i start doing this. > Hence you may please address me > as Bhaskar with Love, > but for me I do not > know when I would be comfortable > with this, from my side. > > Though you may find me sometimes > doing so, when i address many natives > much younger, or with kiddish queries, > or when these younger ones > act affectionately. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I am in confirmation with certin truths as under. To address a Lady with her first name is somehow very much undesirable and unhealthy practise and sort of repulsive for instance just - Wendy. This can be used only when a person is too close with any one, either as a friend or someone living within the same confines. At all oher times it shows bulliness and trying to show superiority over a lady. A class teacher can be addressed as both Madam as well as " Maam " and the latter is normally in vogue. To use " Madam " otherwise, maybe taken as a very professional formalised way of approach just like you gave the two examples, where it is suited best. I remember I used this once, and as soon as you put some explanatory marks in reply, I immediately understood my mistake). The best and the sweet form of address which I always enjoyed since childhood, is Ms or Mrs prefixed with the first name. ( How many here remember Ms Desa or Mrs Dsouza of Rajkapoor's Anari where she was playing a mother role to Rajkapoor ? ) regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Niket, > > There are some (Balaji etc.) who do address me in this way and, although > I initially had some qualms about it, I've come to accept that it's a > respectful form of address in your culture. As for the first name form of > address, I feel it's acceptable as long as it's prefixed with Miss, Mrs > or whatever. > > Previous generations would often address people as Miss Daisy, Miss > Sylvia, Miss Marple...or whatever :-) > > I address everyone here by their first names (or name they sign off with) > simply because I don't know who's who. People are not (generally) > forthright in introducing themselves so I have no idea whether I'm > speaking to a 20 yr old or an 80 yr old...?? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " astroiniket " <astroiniket > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:30 PM > Re: Proper salutation > > > well noted Mrs. Wendy, but i feel calling you respected wendy ji will > be more suitable for me, if you do not get anger in this addressing. > > kind rgds > niket > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 respected Mrs. Wedy ji, i learn in gurukul : for addressing to females 1. if younger then daughter 2. if equal then sister 3. if elder then mother but one more thing ,one who worship goddess shakti for them all women inspite of age all are mother (Maa) only. and we address maa only to a women without considering the age, yes if she is in relation then we called by relation or by name. i will address you respected mrs. wendy ji. hope you will be comfortable in that. kind rgds niket jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Niket, > > There are some (Balaji etc.) who do address me in this way and, although > I initially had some qualms about it, I've come to accept that it's a > respectful form of address in your culture. As for the first name form of > address, I feel it's acceptable as long as it's prefixed with Miss, Mrs > or whatever. > > Previous generations would often address people as Miss Daisy, Miss > Sylvia, Miss Marple...or whatever :-) > > I address everyone here by their first names (or name they sign off with) > simply because I don't know who's who. People are not (generally) > forthright in introducing themselves so I have no idea whether I'm > speaking to a 20 yr old or an 80 yr old...?? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " astroiniket " <astroiniket > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:30 PM > Re: Proper salutation > > > well noted Mrs. Wendy, but i feel calling you respected wendy ji will > be more suitable for me, if you do not get anger in this addressing. > > kind rgds > niket > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dwar Wedny, Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married ones some may still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered the school. class being single. My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 other cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor translation for a Women head/chief. and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English language so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in groups some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple sentences than compounded ones etc Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u also have said it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a younger women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a sister] some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, Best wishes prashant kumar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Members, > > Like Bhaskar, I too believe that it's important to address people in the > right manner. There was a time (on this group) when people, unfamiliar > with my name, were addressing me as Sir. I thought the best way to > correct this would be to put " Mrs.Wendy " in my signature...which is > included automatically at the foot of all my mails unless I (remember to) > take the trouble to change it. > > I'm in my 60's now and have to say I still have not adjusted to the > younger generation's way of casually addressing the older generation by > their first name. I find it disrespectful in the extreme. My children's > partners do this, unfortunately, and it really bothers me...I have to > accept it for the sake of harmony but I'll never feel comfortable with > it. > > The salutation " Madam " can have other connotations in certain societies. > For instance the owner of a brothel is referred to as " Madam " . > > Surely it cannot be too difficult to address people with the proper > salutation. I have to be honest and say that I am not comfortable being > addressed as Madam as I am neither the wife of a foreign dignitary nor am > I the owner of a brothel. > > Mrs.Wendy is to my mind a fair compromise (bridging the gap) between the > casual younger generation and the more traditional older generation. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > ___ > > - > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:24 PM > Re: Yogoda > > Dear Krishnaji, > > But I am still from the old mould. > > Yes I understand this predicament. > I have to undergo it many times. It > is normal to address anyone with > first name today and is not > considered disrespectful. > In Bombay we are into this shift of > mode several times a week. > I remember 10-12 years ago, > I had done a course on Landmark > Forum, under a good speaker > known as Ferdie. There the > audience all 300 of them > including me, were addressing each > other by first name only. For me it > was the start of a embarassing > situation for the first time in Life, that > time for was not accustomed to > addressing elders by age or by > status, by their first names. > Their calling me so did not > bother me, and neither > your calling me so makes any > difference at all , for now several > years have passed since that > experience and been through this > a thousand times. To becalled as > " Bhaskar " is not a problem for me, > but not to add a ji, to the person with > whom I communicate, makes me > uncomfortable. > > Just recently 2 weeks ago, at the > Moderators meet, I was feeling > pretty disturbed to address the > Community manager, a young lady, > Shefali, whom every one addressed as > 'Shefali', but I could not come to those > terms and still address her as " Shefaliji " . > She being a lady, and an important > Head of a big Company like , > there was no way i could bring myself to > address her by first name, even > though the atmosphere was party > atmosphere. > > In the Marwadi circles we move, at most > of the homes, they addtress the > servants also as " aap " and " ji " . > I cannot enter this transition, as it > will spoil my vocabulary at wrong places > due to force of habit, which would be > developed, if i start doing this. > Hence you may please address me > as Bhaskar with Love, > but for me I do not > know when I would be comfortable > with this, from my side. > > Though you may find me sometimes > doing so, when i address many natives > much younger, or with kiddish queries, > or when these younger ones > act affectionately. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Prashant Kumar, //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in groups some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple sentences than compounded ones etc// It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we simply adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation that they themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so complicated about this? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM Re: Proper salutation Dwar Wedny, Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married ones some may still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered the school. class being single. My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 other cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor translation for a Women head/chief. and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English language so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in groups some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple sentences than compounded ones etc Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u also have said it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a younger women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a sister] some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, Best wishes prashant kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Wedny, for those familiar with the normal ways it is easy but as u've seen not many are used to or aware that these have an order and importance too. Even when u misspell a name ppl do take offence to it, I myself have done this on a few occasions and when I realized after hitting the send button have sent a correction. I cud ignore it I if am careless or feel it is not important. but anyway the crash course is on some sentences u see r still being used with mistakes [grammar] both in addressing it and signing off a mail most members leave it blank some even don't use any referal/salutation just open with this is my data or this is my problemm pl help.... ....thanks in advance.... unsigned this is one reason I had also said some ppl need to be given a longer rope they many not intend to offend but their lack of application or awareness of grammar does sound RUDE.IMPOLITE to some and does trigger some exchanges. even today u find the use of the word anger instead of angry by a member. ok if this idea is not good we can try a hyperlink to some samples of writing at the home page itself and/or in file section Best wishes Prashant kumar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Prashant Kumar, > > //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > groups > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple > sentences than compounded ones etc// > > It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we simply > adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation that they > themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so complicated about > this? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > ___ > > - > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM > Re: Proper salutation > > Dwar Wedny, > > Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married ones some > may > still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered > the > school. class being single. > > My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 > other > cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor > translation for a Women head/chief. > > and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English > language > so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. > > probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > groups > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple > sentences than compounded ones etc > > Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u also > have > said > > it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a younger > women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a > sister] > some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, > > Best wishes > > prashant kumar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 dear prashant ji, you are talking about grammar and compound lines, if u live in west of USA, you will be shocked, what kind of English they are speaking, knowing of it and command over it , not a big thing, it is habit of use in day to day concern, English is not our (my) primary language, my primary language is Sanskrit, second is Hindi, third is English, and talking to the persons who doesn't know our language it is needed. anger is subject and angry is verb , in US subject and verbs both are common in use, i am not here to give lecture on English, because it's not my language, and i have proud on my mother language, but in forum, we need English thats ok, in language three components are needed 1. word 2. meaning 3. grammar. i will try to learn flowery British English, thanks for comments. best wishes niket saraswat jyotish-vidya , " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > Dear Wedny, > > for those familiar with the normal ways it is easy but as u've seen not many > are used to or aware that these have an order and importance too. Even when > u misspell a name ppl do take offence to it, I myself have done this on a > few occasions and when I realized after hitting the send button have sent a > correction. I cud ignore it I if am careless or feel it is not important. > > but anyway the crash course is on some sentences u see r still being used > with mistakes [grammar] both in addressing it and signing off a mail most > members leave it blank > > some even don't use any referal/salutation just > open with this is my data or this is my problemm pl help.... > ...thanks in advance.... > > unsigned > > this is one reason I had also said some ppl need to be given a longer rope > they many not intend to offend but their lack of application or awareness of > grammar does sound RUDE.IMPOLITE to some and does trigger some exchanges. > > even today u find the use of the word anger instead of angry by a member. > > ok if this idea is not good we can try a hyperlink to some samples of > writing at the home page itself and/or in file section > > Best wishes > Prashant kumar > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya > wrote: > > > Dear Prashant Kumar, > > > > //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > groups > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple > > sentences than compounded ones etc// > > > > It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we simply > > adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation that they > > themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so complicated about > > this? > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > ___ > > > > - > > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM > > Re: Proper salutation > > > > Dwar Wedny, > > > > Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married ones some > > may > > still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered > > the > > school. class being single. > > > > My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 > > other > > cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor > > translation for a Women head/chief. > > > > and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English > > language > > so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. > > > > probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > groups > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame simple > > sentences than compounded ones etc > > > > Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u also > > have > > said > > > > it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a younger > > women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a > > sister] > > some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, > > > > Best wishes > > > > prashant kumar > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy and All, I love the term " Mrs. Wendy " - it sounds very astrological =). I also love hearing " madam " used by Indians as I know it is a term of respect. But I hope everyone will respect your wishes and not address you as such. I am fairly familiar with the cultures of America, India and Japan. Here are some observations on address: - " ji " is equivalent to the japanese " san " - saying " Wendyji " is equal to a Japanese saying " Wendy-san " , and to an American saying " Mrs. Wendy " - it is fairly common and a friendly form of respect - " sri " is equivalent to " Mr. " / " Mrs, " or " Sir " / " Madam, " or in certain context " Lord " / " Lady. " In Japan " Sri Wendy " is like saying " Wendy-Sama " - it's a more distant and official form of respect - Sri ____ji is equivalent to saying " Respected Lady Wendy " or, in Japan, " Wendy-dono " - Pujya Sri ________ji is quite extreme are is really only used to address revered gurus, saints, and dignitaries. I find it excusable and loveable in Indian culture because they are usually so keep to accept the requisite humble position in knowledge that, like water, knowledge flows from the higher place to the lower place. I hope Indians can appreciate that in western culture, particularly in the last 30 years, it is extremely odd NOT to address almost anyone, male or female, old or young, by anything other than their first name - and almost indicates a strange distance or coldness. The exception is family members of course, who almost always have their position affixed, as in " Grandpa Joe " , " Aunt Janet " , etc. So please do understand that an American or westerner addressing you directly is showing affection and nearness to you. I would like to confirm Niketjis observation. Younger ladies are " daughter " , peers are " sister " elders are " mother " except for some. I was taught to address all ladies as " Mataji " or respected mother - but it feels too odd. I don't stick to it, or do so only to please others in certain circumstances. Also, Niket, The English language is actually NOT a language but a hybrid of many other languages. As such it's particularly troublesome. However the slangs of English - though a ghastly mess of logic - are exceedingly delightful to utilize and explore, moreso than other languages to my knowledge. Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 prashant ji , i know you very well, and i understand you well, i never feel bad from any corner. i will try to improve, as i am not a good typist, so some time mistakes may be possible, as you write my name NIKIT, but it is Niket, and i never object on that, also if u see your lines given at below one or 2 errors are there. we are meture enough, so no questions for feeling bad. best wishes niket jyotish-vidya , " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > Dear Nikit, > > I lile ur last sentence a good spirited one, > > though I must say my post was to give people like u more space to be > understood than misunderstood, it is not a pre-requiste to speak, wrte welll > > surely helps though. > > in the cases where people may misunderstand only I had hinted at a > suggestion it is not a NEGATIVE COMENT on anyone. just pleading for all such > cases to be treated a bit more liently for sometime. > > Best wishes > > > > prashant kumar > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, astroiniket <astroiniket > wrote: > > > dear prashant ji, > > > > you are talking about grammar and compound lines, if u live in west of > > USA, you will be shocked, what kind of English they are speaking, > > knowing of it and command over it , not a big thing, it is habit of > > use in day to day concern, English is not our (my) primary language, > > my primary language is Sanskrit, second is Hindi, third is English, > > and talking to the persons who doesn't know our language it is needed. > > > > anger is subject and angry is verb , in US subject and verbs both are > > common in use, i am not here to give lecture on English, because it's > > not my language, and i have proud on my mother language, but in forum, > > we need English thats ok, in language three components are needed 1. > > word 2. meaning 3. grammar. i will try to learn flowery British > > English, thanks for comments. > > > > best wishes > > > > niket saraswat > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > " astro desk " > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Wedny, > > > > > > for those familiar with the normal ways it is easy but as u've seen > > not many > > > are used to or aware that these have an order and importance too. > > Even when > > > u misspell a name ppl do take offence to it, I myself have done this > > on a > > > few occasions and when I realized after hitting the send button have > > sent a > > > correction. I cud ignore it I if am careless or feel it is not > > important. > > > > > > but anyway the crash course is on some sentences u see r still being > > used > > > with mistakes [grammar] both in addressing it and signing off a mail > > most > > > members leave it blank > > > > > > some even don't use any referal/salutation just > > > open with this is my data or this is my problemm pl help.... > > > ...thanks in advance.... > > > > > > unsigned > > > > > > this is one reason I had also said some ppl need to be given a > > longer rope > > > they many not intend to offend but their lack of application or > > awareness of > > > grammar does sound RUDE.IMPOLITE to some and does trigger some > > exchanges. > > > > > > even today u find the use of the word anger instead of angry by a > > member. > > > > > > ok if this idea is not good we can try a hyperlink to some samples of > > > writing at the home page itself and/or in file section > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Prashant kumar > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Kumar, > > > > > > > > //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > > > groups > > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > > simple > > > > sentences than compounded ones etc// > > > > > > > > It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we > > simply > > > > adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation > > that they > > > > themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so complicated about > > > > this? > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> < > > http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > - > > > > " astro desk " > > <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>> > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM > > > > Re: Proper salutation > > > > > > > > Dwar Wedny, > > > > > > > > Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married > > ones some > > > > may > > > > still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered > > > > the > > > > school. class being single. > > > > > > > > My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 > > > > other > > > > cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor > > > > translation for a Women head/chief. > > > > > > > > and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English > > > > language > > > > so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. > > > > > > > > probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > > > groups > > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > > simple > > > > sentences than compounded ones etc > > > > > > > > Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u > > also > > > > have > > > > said > > > > > > > > it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a > > younger > > > > women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a > > > > sister] > > > > some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > prashant kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Wendy ji, ///There are some (Balaji etc.) who do address me in this way and, although I initially had some qualms about it, I've come to accept that it's a respectful form of address in your culture./// When I first joined the old JV group, I had the same problem--I didn't know who was older or younger than me, and I wasn't sure if I could remember in any case. Therefore, I have adopted the policy of adding " ji " to everybody. By calling you " Wendy " I am showing friendship, and by adding the " ji " I show respect. This is ideal--because, after all, you are my Guru, my teacher, and a teacher should be held in both affection and respect. I use " ji " with everybody because religion and Jyotish, and the strength of the moksha bhavas in my own chart, have taught me to transcend the body. Is somebody elder merely because of age? I have met fools who are older than me but know lesser; I have met people far younger than me, but who know a lot more. And I have met many--you included--who are older than me AND know a lot more than me! But intelligence and age are not reasons for respect. Every one of us is a soul who is dear to God. So, the respect you show others is in some way the respect that you show yourself. Also, " ji " is so nice and appeals to my Saturnine sense of equality--you can use it for those who are rich or poor, young or old, male or female, clever or foolish, saint or sinner. For, irrespective of all these considerations, are we not, all of us, beloved to God? Vic ji, ///In Japan " Sri Wendy " is like saying " Wendy-Sama " - it's a more distant and official form of respect/// Actually, in India, Sri is used for men, and Srimathi (abbreviated as " Smt. " ) is used for women. Again, " Pathi " is used for husband, but in a more general sense, it means lord--as in " Navamadi pathi " for 9th lord, etc. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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