Affliction to sun and enmity with father

On Jun 24, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Chandramohan S wrote:

> Hii all

> Sun in 6th house shows some kind of enmity with father?

> sun...saturn mutual aspect conjunction shows trouble with father/

> father

> figure?

> affliction of sun...antar could result in father's demise...?

>

> could anyone clarify these points?

> and secondly moon in 6th house DOES NOT signify trouble with mom?

> looking forward to hear from you all

>

> Chandramohan.S

>

June 24, 2008

Hii all...

I have sun in 6th house....along with mercury and I do have enmity with my

dad...

secondly since 6th is an Upachaya house....

malefics do well?

sun in 6th is supposed to create and destroy debt,enemies and

diseases?(powerful)

but moon similarly placed in 6th ...is not so.....in the sense that it

doesnt imply enmity with mom...

I have seen three charts where moon is vargotamma in 6th ...and he has no

probs his mom ....

another question....

Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?

like can we say in Navamsa lord of 10th from Navamsa lagna is in 11th ...so

this can happen...etc?

June 24, 2008

Dear Chandramohan,

Didn't you just post these questions?

> I have sun in 6th house....along with mercury and I do have enmity

> with my

> dad...

> secondly since 6th is an Upachaya house....

> malefics do well?

> sun in 6th is supposed to create and destroy debt,enemies and

> diseases?(powerful)

When Sun is in 6th father has problems with enemies and health. This

is of course only one consideration which might be confirmed our

counteracted by others. It does not outright indicate that the father

is an enemy. It may mean so if there are other indications to that

effect, but by itself it merely indicates a connection with the father

(and self) with enemies (and health).

Malefics are *improved* in upachaya. What does the word really mean,

it means " movement upward " or moving nearer. The significations

connected with upachaya-sthanas improve or get closer to oneself with

time and effort. That is the meaning.

If the sun is STRONG it will delete the enemies and promote the

health. If it is WEAK it will be overcome by them.

> but moon similarly placed in 6th ...is not so.....in the sense that it

> doesnt imply enmity with mom...

> I have seen three charts where moon is vargotamma in 6th ...and he

> has no

> probs his mom ....

The moon in the sixth shows the same connotations, as far as I know.

What made you think otherwise? Do you have some reference to that

effect?

The moon being Vargottama makes it stronger! A strong moon in 6 can

mean the mother will overcome problems and sickness. Relationship with

mother will presevere through obsticles. mind will not be disturbed by

enemies and depression.

> another question....

>

> Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?

> like can we say in Navamsa lord of 10th from Navamsa lagna is in

> 11th ...so

> this can happen...etc?

I am interested in hearing many opinions on that. I know Rajeev's

opinion is that there is no significance in the Navamsha except sign

positions. I disagree because Parashara says to calculate the lagna of

the divisional charts. What is the purpose of the lagna except to

establish houses?

Nevertheless, the main chart is the Janma Kundli, and the navamsha can

only ALTER the implications of that chart, not create NEW implications.

Yours

Vic DiCara

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

June 24, 2008

>I am interested in hearing many opinions on that. I know Rajeev's

> opinion is that there is no significance in the Navamsha except sign

> positions. I disagree because Parashara says to calculate the lagna of

> the divisional charts. What is the purpose of the lagna except to

> establish houses?

Hi Vic, I am no one in astro that my opinion counts for anything.

even then..

Calculating Lagnas is meant to establish house signs. right okay..

But how can one planet aspect another planet even in Navamsha!!

Say Lagna in Aries.

Say Sun is in 1st house and in Aries Navamsha.

Say Saturn is in 2nd house Libra Navamsha.

The sun and saturn above do no aspect in lagna kundli.

Can we that they aspect in Navamsha Chart, since they are plaved in 1st and

7th house in navamsha??!!!

Planetary aspect in navamsha sounds strange.

Effect of House exchange in naamsha seems to be logical..

Lagna navamsha is ascertained for the same purpose as that of planets

navamsha.

Om namah Shivay

Rajeev

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> Dear Chandramohan,

>

> Didn't you just post these questions?

>

> > I have sun in 6th house....along with mercury and I do have enmity

> > with my

> > dad...

> > secondly since 6th is an Upachaya house....

> > malefics do well?

> > sun in 6th is supposed to create and destroy debt,enemies and

> > diseases?(powerful)

>

> When Sun is in 6th father has problems with enemies and health. This

> is of course only one consideration which might be confirmed our

> counteracted by others. It does not outright indicate that the father

> is an enemy. It may mean so if there are other indications to that

> effect, but by itself it merely indicates a connection with the father

> (and self) with enemies (and health).

>

> Malefics are *improved* in upachaya. What does the word really mean,

> it means " movement upward " or moving nearer. The significations

> connected with upachaya-sthanas improve or get closer to oneself with

> time and effort. That is the meaning.

>

> If the sun is STRONG it will delete the enemies and promote the

> health. If it is WEAK it will be overcome by them.

>

> > but moon similarly placed in 6th ...is not so.....in the sense that it

> > doesnt imply enmity with mom...

> > I have seen three charts where moon is vargotamma in 6th ...and he

> > has no

> > probs his mom ....

>

> The moon in the sixth shows the same connotations, as far as I know.

> What made you think otherwise? Do you have some reference to that

> effect?

>

> The moon being Vargottama makes it stronger! A strong moon in 6 can

> mean the mother will overcome problems and sickness. Relationship with

> mother will presevere through obsticles. mind will not be disturbed by

> enemies and depression.

>

> > another question....

> >

> > Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?

> > like can we say in Navamsa lord of 10th from Navamsa lagna is in

> > 11th ...so

> > this can happen...etc?

>

> I am interested in hearing many opinions on that. I know Rajeev's

> opinion is that there is no significance in the Navamsha except sign

> positions. I disagree because Parashara says to calculate the lagna of

> the divisional charts. What is the purpose of the lagna except to

> establish houses?

>

> Nevertheless, the main chart is the Janma Kundli, and the navamsha can

> only ALTER the implications of that chart, not create NEW implications.

>

> Yours

> Vic DiCara

>

June 24, 2008

> But how can one planet aspect another planet even in Navamsha!!

I see no reason why not. How else would you determine the strength of

the Navamsha placement without considering dig-bal? That's all. You

first of all consider the janma kundli for the overall indications.

Next look into the -amshas starting with the nava-. If you see Jupiter

and Moon together it says something about the strength and nature of

each *in the navamsha* which then can only COLOR the effects already

determined by the Janma-kundli. It cannot create something new or a

new relationship not indicated in the kundli.

Hopefully this is intelligible.

Yours

Vic DiCara

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

June 24, 2008

To all those who are not aware-

Navamsha aspects have been taken by Shri BV Raman,

by Shri Santhanam , and also by Shri KN Rao.

All their books show this display

and illustrated with the examples they

have put up.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> > But how can one planet aspect another planet even in Navamsha!!

>

> I see no reason why not. How else would you determine the strength

of

> the Navamsha placement without considering dig-bal? That's all.

You

> first of all consider the janma kundli for the overall

indications.

> Next look into the -amshas starting with the nava-. If you see

Jupiter

> and Moon together it says something about the strength and nature

of

> each *in the navamsha* which then can only COLOR the effects

already

> determined by the Janma-kundli. It cannot create something new or

a

> new relationship not indicated in the kundli.

>

> Hopefully this is intelligible.

>

> Yours

> Vic DiCara

>

June 24, 2008

Dear Chandramohan,

///Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?///

My answer to this is NO! As with the planets, lagna also can be

Vargottama...therefore this is an important consideration. However I'll

have to wait for another time when I'm feeling a little (more) mentally

alert than I do right at this moment to explain this fully.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:47 AM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

Hii all...

I have sun in 6th house....along with mercury and I do have enmity with

my

dad...

secondly since 6th is an Upachaya house....

malefics do well?

sun in 6th is supposed to create and destroy debt,enemies and

diseases?(powerful)

but moon similarly placed in 6th ...is not so.....in the sense that it

doesnt imply enmity with mom...

I have seen three charts where moon is vargotamma in 6th ...and he has no

probs his mom ....

another question....

Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?

like can we say in Navamsa lord of 10th from Navamsa lagna is in 11th

....so

this can happen...etc?

June 24, 2008

Dear Bhaskar,

B.V Raman did a lot for astrology and we should thank him and remember

him for that. However (just) one of his weakness was his own ayanamsha

which most feel is incorrect. Even now his children still use it which is

loyal but not good for the overall development of astrology. Lahiri is

the official ayanamsha and can be used with reasonable accuracy. We

should remember that no astrologer, and this applies also to those who

have attained world-wide name and fame, is infallible.

I have many books in my library (most of which I've recommended on my

website), but there is not one of them that we don't have to use our own

discretion before accepting everything that's said as gospel...even the

classics can have many different interpretations depending on the

translating authors own understanding, leaning or bias.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:30 AM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

To all those who are not aware-

Navamsha aspects have been taken by Shri BV Raman,

by Shri Santhanam , and also by Shri KN Rao.

All their books show this display

and illustrated with the examples they

have put up.

regards,

Bhaskar.

June 25, 2008

Dear Mrs.Wendy,

Regardless of the great work accomplished

by Shri BV Raman, whose books are continously

referred by me and thousands of other students,

yet it has been spoken many times about the

Ayanamsha he put in use which was erronoeus,

and is not to be followed if ones desires

accuracy,as understood from the writings of

the stalwarts of Astrology, including Shri

KN Rao and many others.

I agree also that the universal ayanamsha

which works best in all places and conditions,

is the Lahiris.

Yes you are absolutely true, that no author

who is after all a human, can be infallible.

And the best part to be understood by all,

which you said,is that not one of the

writings authored by any, we dont have

to use our discretion, before accepting

it as a Gospel, and yes the classics too

are subject to various interpretations

depending on the individual savouring them.

Finally it comes down to the individual,

how much he is allowed by his destiny,

to retain, what to interpret, how to

apply what he has learnt, and how much

guidance would be available to him by

providence/Nature to help him in his

study of a Horoscope.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> B.V Raman did a lot for astrology and we should thank him and

remember

> him for that. However (just) one of his weakness was his own

ayanamsha

> which most feel is incorrect. Even now his children still use it

which is

> loyal but not good for the overall development of astrology.

Lahiri is

> the official ayanamsha and can be used with reasonable accuracy. We

> should remember that no astrologer, and this applies also to those

who

> have attained world-wide name and fame, is infallible.

>

> I have many books in my library (most of which I've recommended on

my

> website), but there is not one of them that we don't have to use

our own

> discretion before accepting everything that's said as gospel...even

the

> classics can have many different interpretations depending on the

> translating authors own understanding, leaning or bias.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:30 AM

> Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with

father

>

> To all those who are not aware-

>

> Navamsha aspects have been taken by Shri BV Raman,

> by Shri Santhanam , and also by Shri KN Rao.

> All their books show this display

> and illustrated with the examples they

> have put up.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

June 25, 2008

> ///Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?///

>

> My answer to this is NO! As with the planets, lagna also can be

> Vargottama...therefore this is an important consideration. However

> I'll

> have to wait for another time when I'm feeling a little (more)

> mentally

> alert than I do right at this moment to explain this fully.

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Very interesting! Awaiting to hear your explanation to see how I can

synthesize it with the one I currently hold.

Yours,

Vic

June 25, 2008

Dear Vic and All,

Many high-profile astrologers have pushed the theory that vargas are

equal to rasi in regards to bhava lordships and, because of this I, like

many others, accepted this to be true (for some time). However I have

come to understand more fully the nature of the vargas as they relate to

rasi and have to follow my own understanding rather than the notion put

forward by others.

As stated (many times) on this group, Janma Kundali (birth chart/rasi) is

more than a snapshot of the cosmos at the moment of birth, it's an " Act

of Creation " . The 12 signs of the zodiac " manifest " at the moment of

birth as the 12 bhavas or areas of life whilst the navagrahas are

re-created as a new entity.

The sixteen vargas are nothing more than divisions of Janma Kundali, they

are not stand-alone horoscopes in which the signs have once again

" manifested " as new bhavas. We are created as a new entity (ONCE) at the

moment of birth and Janma Kundali is the true reflection of that

creation.

Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same vargas.

Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative quality

is what will be more pronounced.

Parashara tells us that;

" Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a combust

planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

yogas. "

I'm well aware that others have different views on this and they're

certainly entitled to have them...I however must follow what I believe to

be correct :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:32 PM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

> ///Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?///

>

> My answer to this is NO! As with the planets, lagna also can be

> Vargottama...therefore this is an important consideration. However

> I'll

> have to wait for another time when I'm feeling a little (more)

> mentally

> alert than I do right at this moment to explain this fully.

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Very interesting! Awaiting to hear your explanation to see how I can

synthesize it with the one I currently hold.

Yours,

Vic

June 25, 2008

Dear Mr. Wendy ji

A few queries just to understand better.

////Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same vargas.

Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative quality

is what will be more pronounced.////

A planet which is debilitated or malefic in lagna chart.

Case 1: It is exalted in navamsha... Then it is even more malefic, since

negative powers got a boost in navamsha? is it Right?

Case 2: It is debiliated again in navamsha... Then it is less malefic or

more malefic?

Some can say that double debiliation is making planet even more malefic?

///Parashara tells us that;

" Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a combust

planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

yogas. " ///

A planet which is in combust, defeated, weak or in bad avastha in Lagna

kundli,

Case1: Effect of falling in exaltation navamsha. (kindly specify in your

words with some example)

Case2: Effect of falling in debilitation navamsha. (kindly specify in your

words with some example)

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

wrote:

> Dear Vic and All,

>

> Many high-profile astrologers have pushed the theory that vargas are

> equal to rasi in regards to bhava lordships and, because of this I, like

> many others, accepted this to be true (for some time). However I have

> come to understand more fully the nature of the vargas as they relate to

> rasi and have to follow my own understanding rather than the notion put

> forward by others.

>

> As stated (many times) on this group, Janma Kundali (birth chart/rasi) is

> more than a snapshot of the cosmos at the moment of birth, it's an " Act

> of Creation " . The 12 signs of the zodiac " manifest " at the moment of

> birth as the 12 bhavas or areas of life whilst the navagrahas are

> re-created as a new entity.

>

> The sixteen vargas are nothing more than divisions of Janma Kundali, they

> are not stand-alone horoscopes in which the signs have once again

> " manifested " as new bhavas. We are created as a new entity (ONCE) at the

> moment of birth and Janma Kundali is the true reflection of that

> creation.

>

> Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

> strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

> the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same vargas.

> Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative quality

> is what will be more pronounced.

>

> Parashara tells us that;

> " Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

> sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a combust

> planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

> Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

> yogas. "

>

> I'm well aware that others have different views on this and they're

> certainly entitled to have them...I however must follow what I believe to

> be correct :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:32 PM

> Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

>

> > ///Do bhavas or lordships have any meaning in Navamsa chart...?///

> >

> > My answer to this is NO! As with the planets, lagna also can be

> > Vargottama...therefore this is an important consideration. However

> > I'll

> > have to wait for another time when I'm feeling a little (more)

> > mentally

> > alert than I do right at this moment to explain this fully.

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Very interesting! Awaiting to hear your explanation to see how I can

> synthesize it with the one I currently hold.

>

> Yours,

> Vic

>

June 26, 2008

Dear Rajeev,

Case 1: It is exalted in navamsha... Then it is even more malefic, since

negative powers got a boost in navamsha? is it Right?

No!

There are many different kinds of strengths. A planet in exaltation for

instance has maximum strength to do good. We shouldn't forget that even

the dusthanas have some positive significations. 8th for instance

signifies unearned income, partners wealth, inheritance, hidden

treasures, psychic abilities, siddhis etc. 12th signifies travel abroad,

charity/donations, paternal uncle, step-father, gain of spirituality,

moksha etc..

//It is debiliated again in navamsha... Then it is less malefic or

more malefic?

Some can say that double debiliation is making planet even more

malefic?//

If a planet is afflicted in both rasi and navamsha it is doubly

afflicted.

//Case1: Effect of falling in exaltation navamsha. (kindly specify in

your

words with some example)

Case2: Effect of falling in debilitation navamsha. (kindly specify in

your

words with some example)//

Surely this is self-explanatory. If a planet is debilitated in rasi but

exalted in navamsha, some mixed results can be expected, likewise if a

planet is exalted in rasi but fallen in navamsha.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:51 PM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

Dear Mr. Wendy ji

A few queries just to understand better.

////Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same vargas.

Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative quality

is what will be more pronounced.////

A planet which is debilitated or malefic in lagna chart.

Case 1: It is exalted in navamsha... Then it is even more malefic, since

negative powers got a boost in navamsha? is it Right?

Case 2: It is debiliated again in navamsha... Then it is less malefic or

more malefic?

Some can say that double debiliation is making planet even more malefic?

///Parashara tells us that;

" Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a combust

planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

yogas. " ///

A planet which is in combust, defeated, weak or in bad avastha in Lagna

kundli,

Case1: Effect of falling in exaltation navamsha. (kindly specify in your

words with some example)

Case2: Effect of falling in debilitation navamsha. (kindly specify in

your

words with some example)

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

June 26, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> As stated (many times) on this group, Janma Kundali (birth chart/

> rasi) is

> more than a snapshot of the cosmos at the moment of birth, it's an

> " Act

> of Creation " . The 12 signs of the zodiac " manifest " at the moment of

> birth as the 12 bhavas or areas of life whilst the navagrahas are

> re-created as a new entity.

But the entity is created at conception, not birth? Please explain

further.

> Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

> strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

> the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same

> vargas.

> Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative

> quality

> is what will be more pronounced.

So a vargottama malefic will be made more malefic, correct? It seems

clear that's what you said, I just want to be doubly sure.

> Parashara tells us that;

> " Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

> sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a

> combust

> planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

> Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

> yogas. "

So, in other words, the good signs in the divisional charts are those

which are the occupant's exaltation, moola, own sign, etc. But if a

planet is combust or defeated in a war or terribly weak, a good

position in a divisional chart will not have a noticeable effect - is

that what Parashara is saying?

> I'm well aware that others have different views on this and they're

> certainly entitled to have them...I however must follow what I

> believe to

> be correct :-)

I personally think that house placements are contextually telling.

Jupiter in the 7th in navamsha has a different flavor than jupiter in

the same sign but in the 12th house.

Yours

Vic DiCara

June 26, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy

I read this somewhere

1. " A planet who is combust is also weak. However, it is seen that the

natural significations of a combust planet is enhanced due to brilliance and

energy of Sun, however, the house owned by the planet suffers. "

2. " Debiliated planets weaken the house they are placed in and also the

planets they are placed with. This is because, debilitated planet is like a

resourceless guy, trying to gain from its environment. "

3. " If a house lord is placed in a Dusthana from the house itself then the

external significations of the house suffers, such as the relatives ruled by

the house etc. However, if it placed in a dusthana from the lagna, then the

native suffers wrt to the house under consideration and the internal

significations, such as dhana (2nd), parakrama (3rd), happiness (4th),

power/ authority (5th) etc., shall suffer. "

4. " A house suffers if its lord is in rasi sandhi or Gandanta. Whenever a

planet is placed in the Rasi Sandhi, it becomes very weak to protect its

houses. The duration of rasi sandhi would be 1 nakshatra pada (3d 20m) each

side of rasi junction. Among the Sandhi, the three gandanthas (sandhi

between Pisces-Aries; Cancer-Leo; Scorpio-Sagittarius) are the most

harmful. "

5. " The controller of sukha trikona is the 4th house [kendra houses control

the trikona]. If 4th house is afflicted the person faces misery. If 4th

house is badly afflicted, person can have suicidal tendencies. This is

aggravated if the 5th house from Moon is also afflicted (with malefics). "

What is your view on the above 5 items.

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Case 1: It is exalted in navamsha... Then it is even more malefic, since

> negative powers got a boost in navamsha? is it Right?

>

> No!

>

> There are many different kinds of strengths. A planet in exaltation for

> instance has maximum strength to do good. We shouldn't forget that even

> the dusthanas have some positive significations. 8th for instance

> signifies unearned income, partners wealth, inheritance, hidden

> treasures, psychic abilities, siddhis etc. 12th signifies travel abroad,

> charity/donations, paternal uncle, step-father, gain of spirituality,

> moksha etc..

>

> //It is debiliated again in navamsha... Then it is less malefic or

> more malefic?

> Some can say that double debiliation is making planet even more

> malefic?//

>

> If a planet is afflicted in both rasi and navamsha it is doubly

> afflicted.

>

> //Case1: Effect of falling in exaltation navamsha. (kindly specify in

> your

> words with some example)

> Case2: Effect of falling in debilitation navamsha. (kindly specify in

> your

> words with some example)//

>

> Surely this is self-explanatory. If a planet is debilitated in rasi but

> exalted in navamsha, some mixed results can be expected, likewise if a

> planet is exalted in rasi but fallen in navamsha.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:51 PM

> Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

>

> Dear Mr. Wendy ji

>

> A few queries just to understand better.

>

> ////Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

> strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

> the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same vargas.

> Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative quality

> is what will be more pronounced.////

>

> A planet which is debilitated or malefic in lagna chart.

> Case 1: It is exalted in navamsha... Then it is even more malefic, since

> negative powers got a boost in navamsha? is it Right?

>

> Case 2: It is debiliated again in navamsha... Then it is less malefic or

> more malefic?

> Some can say that double debiliation is making planet even more malefic?

>

> ///Parashara tells us that;

> " Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

> sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a combust

> planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

> Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

> yogas. " ///

>

> A planet which is in combust, defeated, weak or in bad avastha in Lagna

> kundli,

> Case1: Effect of falling in exaltation navamsha. (kindly specify in your

> words with some example)

> Case2: Effect of falling in debilitation navamsha. (kindly specify in

> your

> words with some example)

>

> Om Namah Shivay

> Rajeev

>

June 26, 2008

Dear Vic,

//But the entity is created at conception, not birth? Please explain

further.//

The act of creation, in this instance, refers specifically to the janma

kundali...not conception! At the moment of birth the 12 signs of the

zodiac manifest as the 12 bhavas whilst the navagrahas manifest (are

re-created) as a new entity...this is the wonderful act of creation

(re-creation) that I'm referring to.

Individual life, governed and maintained by the grahas, occurs when the

child is delivered from the mother. I'm not talking about conception

here...rather the re-creation of the navagrahas etc. This is an act of

creation! The signs of the zodiac that have become the bhavas is itself

an act of creation...no longer merely a snapshot of the cosmos.

//So a vargottama malefic will be made more malefic, correct? It seems

clear that's what you said, I just want to be doubly sure.//

It has little to do with whether the vargottama graha is malefic or

benefic. If any planet is debilitated in both rasi and navamsha

(vargottama), it's doubly afflicted.

//So, in other words, the good signs in the divisional charts are those

which are the occupant's exaltation, moola, own sign, etc. But if a

planet is combust or defeated in a war or terribly weak, a good

position in a divisional chart will not have a noticeable effect - is

that what Parashara is saying?//

Basically! At best it will give mixed results...

//I personally think that house placements are contextually telling.

Jupiter in the 7th in navamsha has a different flavor than jupiter in

the same sign but in the 12th house.//

Perhaps you could give an example (with birth details) so we can have a

look at what navamsha is revealing.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:31 PM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> As stated (many times) on this group, Janma Kundali (birth chart/

> rasi) is

> more than a snapshot of the cosmos at the moment of birth, it's an

> " Act

> of Creation " . The 12 signs of the zodiac " manifest " at the moment of

> birth as the 12 bhavas or areas of life whilst the navagrahas are

> re-created as a new entity.

But the entity is created at conception, not birth? Please explain

further.

> Divisionals are used in various calculations to assess the overall

> strength of lagna and the grahas. Lagna is strengthened if it falls in

> the same vargas; grahas are strengthened if they fall in the same

> vargas.

> Of course, if the planet happens to be debilitated, it's negative

> quality

> is what will be more pronounced.

So a vargottama malefic will be made more malefic, correct? It seems

clear that's what you said, I just want to be doubly sure.

> Parashara tells us that;

> " Divisions falling in the planet's exaltation sign, moolatrikona, own

> sign etc are all considered to be good vargas. The divisions of a

> combust

> planet, defeated planet, weak planet and a planet in bad avasthas like

> Sayana be all ignored to be auspicious, for these destroy the good

> yogas. "

So, in other words, the good signs in the divisional charts are those

which are the occupant's exaltation, moola, own sign, etc. But if a

planet is combust or defeated in a war or terribly weak, a good

position in a divisional chart will not have a noticeable effect - is

that what Parashara is saying?

> I'm well aware that others have different views on this and they're

> certainly entitled to have them...I however must follow what I

> believe to

> be correct :-)

I personally think that house placements are contextually telling.

Jupiter in the 7th in navamsha has a different flavor than jupiter in

the same sign but in the 12th house.

Yours

Vic DiCara

June 26, 2008

Dear Rajeev,

When quoting a particular reference it would be good if you could give

the source.

Having said that, you might recall in one of the earlier mails to Deepak,

I mentioned the fact that in combusting Mars lagna karaka Sun had taken

on these qualities.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & safe=off & rlz=1B3GGGL_enIN237IN238 & q=%22A+plan\

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" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 27, 2008 12:16 AM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

Dear Mrs. Wendy

I read this somewhere

1. " A planet who is combust is also weak. However, it is seen that the

natural significations of a combust planet is enhanced due to brilliance

and

energy of Sun, however, the house owned by the planet suffers. "

2. " Debiliated planets weaken the house they are placed in and also the

planets they are placed with. This is because, debilitated planet is like

a

resourceless guy, trying to gain from its environment. "

3. " If a house lord is placed in a Dusthana from the house itself then

the

external significations of the house suffers, such as the relatives ruled

by

the house etc. However, if it placed in a dusthana from the lagna, then

the

native suffers wrt to the house under consideration and the internal

significations, such as dhana (2nd), parakrama (3rd), happiness (4th),

power/ authority (5th) etc., shall suffer. "

4. " A house suffers if its lord is in rasi sandhi or Gandanta. Whenever a

planet is placed in the Rasi Sandhi, it becomes very weak to protect its

houses. The duration of rasi sandhi would be 1 nakshatra pada (3d 20m)

each

side of rasi junction. Among the Sandhi, the three gandanthas (sandhi

between Pisces-Aries; Cancer-Leo; Scorpio-Sagittarius) are the most

harmful. "

5. " The controller of sukha trikona is the 4th house [kendra houses

control

the trikona]. If 4th house is afflicted the person faces misery. If 4th

house is badly afflicted, person can have suicidal tendencies. This is

aggravated if the 5th house from Moon is also afflicted (with malefics). "

What is your view on the above 5 items.

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

June 26, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy ji

The 5 lines were from someone whose blog runs with the name varahmira.

It is very easy to find from where something is copied.

Just paste any line from the copied material which feels unique in google

within quotes.

try this

et+who+is+combust+is+also+weak.+However%2C+it+is%22 & btnG=Search

Just one result comes up and that is the source.!

I hope finding god was equally simple.

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> When quoting a particular reference it would be good if you could give

> the source.

>

> Having said that, you might recall in one of the earlier mails to Deepak,

> I mentioned the fact that in combusting Mars lagna karaka Sun had taken

> on these qualities.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Friday, June 27, 2008 12:16 AM

> Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy

>

> I read this somewhere

>

> 1. " A planet who is combust is also weak. However, it is seen that the

> natural significations of a combust planet is enhanced due to brilliance

> and

> energy of Sun, however, the house owned by the planet suffers. "

>

> 2. " Debiliated planets weaken the house they are placed in and also the

> planets they are placed with. This is because, debilitated planet is like

> a

> resourceless guy, trying to gain from its environment. "

>

> 3. " If a house lord is placed in a Dusthana from the house itself then

> the

> external significations of the house suffers, such as the relatives ruled

> by

> the house etc. However, if it placed in a dusthana from the lagna, then

> the

> native suffers wrt to the house under consideration and the internal

> significations, such as dhana (2nd), parakrama (3rd), happiness (4th),

> power/ authority (5th) etc., shall suffer. "

>

> 4. " A house suffers if its lord is in rasi sandhi or Gandanta. Whenever a

> planet is placed in the Rasi Sandhi, it becomes very weak to protect its

> houses. The duration of rasi sandhi would be 1 nakshatra pada (3d 20m)

> each

> side of rasi junction. Among the Sandhi, the three gandanthas (sandhi

> between Pisces-Aries; Cancer-Leo; Scorpio-Sagittarius) are the most

> harmful. "

>

> 5. " The controller of sukha trikona is the 4th house [kendra houses

> control

> the trikona]. If 4th house is afflicted the person faces misery. If 4th

> house is badly afflicted, person can have suicidal tendencies. This is

> aggravated if the 5th house from Moon is also afflicted (with malefics). "

>

> What is your view on the above 5 items.

>

> Om Namah Shivay

> Rajeev

>

June 26, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Please bear with me, I sincerely want to understand this deeply...

> The act of creation, in this instance, refers specifically to the

> janma

> kundali...not conception! At the moment of birth the 12 signs of the

> zodiac manifest as the 12 bhavas whilst the navagrahas manifest (are

> re-created) as a new entity...this is the wonderful act of creation

> (re-creation) that I'm referring to.

>

> Individual life, governed and maintained by the grahas, occurs when

> the

> child is delivered from the mother. I'm not talking about conception

> here...rather the re-creation of the navagrahas etc. This is an act of

> creation! The signs of the zodiac that have become the bhavas is

> itself

> an act of creation...no longer merely a snapshot of the cosmos.

It's confusing. When the child is born, delivered from the mother,

what is it that you say happens with the rashis, bhavas, and grahas

which makes the kundli more than a snapshot of a persons karma.

Practically speaking, isn't something which is a " snapshot of my

karma " , for all intents and purposes, a facsimile of me, my being

itself in this incarnation? Is that what you are saying, or is it

something different? I really want to understand this point.

> //I personally think that house placements are contextually telling.

> Jupiter in the 7th in navamsha has a different flavor than jupiter in

> the same sign but in the 12th house.//

>

> Perhaps you could give an example (with birth details) so we can

> have a

> look at what navamsha is revealing.

Look at me!

July 27, 1970 at 19:38 in Bay Shore, New York - USA

Look at the Dashamsha for example. Of course I'm not suggesting to

look at it ONLY, and NOT look at the janma kundli. Look at how it

confirms several things and adds some interesting flavors to the Janma

chart regarding what I have been successful at.

Sun is in the 10th. I have always been my own boss. This confirms

Jupiter's situation in the 10th in the janmakundli. Venus is

" Bhavottama " - in the same bhava as in my chart. And aspects my

earnings. I work with women and am a famous musician in an underground

musical genre. In the dashamsa we see that my inner successes (moon)

are concerned with the supernatural and occult. Indeed I hold nothing

dearer, nor even care much for any material success I have had, to a

fault. Note in the dasama mercury is in a moksha bhava as in the janma

kundli. My mind is sharp, but never sharper than when dealing with

god, karma, reincarnation, the occult, etc. Saturn is in the 5th

Dashamsha and neech bhang by Venus in the 4th in the janma. This

indicates successful spiritual initiation ( " dikhsa " ) and intense

connection with those practices and mantras.

Rahu.... he is in the 9th in dashamsha, but only in the 2nd in janma.

Yes, in the second he is aspected by Jupiter, Venus (and mercury), and

now look at confirmation in the dashamsha that he is in Venus' taurus,

aspected again by Jupiter, and now in the 9th house. Without recourse

to this I doubt many astrologers would be lucky or insightful enough

to have predicted that my Rahu period would have resulted in

TREMENDOUS spiritual and religious activity. Or maybe I'm wrong, but

seeing Rahu in the 9th in the Dashamsa is certainly a clue.

Might these all be coincidences? I'm not sure - but reading the bhavas

of the dashamsha for example, sure does seem to confirm all the

appropriate things in the Janma kundli in my case.

Would you agree, or do you think this is only a coincidence? Or maybe

I am only focusing on what I want to see, and ignoring contrary

indications?

Yours

Vic DiCara

June 26, 2008

Dear Rajeev,

I am familiar with this person. He's a student of Sanjay Rath (SJC).

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & safe=off & rlz=1B3GGGL_enIN237IN238 & q=%22A+plan\

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" RajeevM " <rajeevmundra

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40 AM

Re: Affliction to sun and enmity with father

Dear Mrs. Wendy ji

The 5 lines were from someone whose blog runs with the name varahmira.

It is very easy to find from where something is copied.

Just paste any line from the copied material which feels unique in google

within quotes.

try this

et+who+is+combust+is+also+weak.+However%2C+it+is%22 & btnG=Search

Just one result comes up and that is the source.!

I hope finding god was equally simple.

Om Namah Shivay

Rajeev

June 26, 2008

Dear Vic,

The act of creation I'm referring to is the signs of the Zodiac that have

now " become " the 12 bhavas...this is a profound transformation...no

longer just zodiac signs. The whole sign from 00:00 to 30:00 degrees is

now the bhava. It's more than just some mathematical calculation. This

" becoming " is an act of creation in itself.

In the same way the navagrahas have re-created (at the moment of birth).

Sun has recreated within us as our physical self, our ego etc; Moon has

become our mind, Mars our energy and courage, Mercury our intellect,

Jupiter our compassion, Venus our capacity to give and receive love,

Saturn our grief...and so on. This is the act of creation I'm referring

to. The grahas re-create each time a new entity is born...

Aham Brahmasmi, Aham Vishwam...I AM the Universe! This is the creation

that takes place at the moment of birth.

//Sun is in the 10th. I have always been my own boss.//

In dashamsha Sun occupies sign of Mercury. Did you not say on your

website that you've always been a prolific writer. In rasi, Mercury

occupies sign of Sun who's dispositor (Moon) is exalted in 5th (literary

works). Mercury has 9th as his moolatrikona...publishing is seen from

this house along with religion, vedas, faith, guru, worship, piety etc.

Didn't you say you wrote for the " Back to Godhead " magazine? Mercury is

joined in Leo by Ketu, the spiritual planet, and Venus who is a

significator for Music etc..

I'll have to leave this here for now, I'm afraid. Hope to talk more on

this soon :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy