Importance of Bhava Karaka

[Guest guest]

PS: I might add that, for this native, 4th karaka (Moon) gets debilitated

in 11th trishadya bhava. The malefic quality of the 11th (most powerful

trishadya) is greed as it is one of the 3 kama (desire) houses...

 

Desire, anger and greed are represented by the trishadya houses 3, 6 and

11 respectively, which are opposite (furthest away from) the most

important houses for spiritual advancement; 9, 12 and 5.

 

The Gita (Ch.16, Verse 21) says:

" Desire, anger and greed, the triple gate of hell, bring about the

ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these things.

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Dear Group,

 

I can't stress strongly enough the importance of bhava karaka when

assessing the results due a particular bhava. For instance if both bhava

lord and bhava karaka are badly afflicted we can expect negative results

for that bhava. If, on the other hand, bhava karaka is enjoying

exaltation it can uplift the significations of the bhava even though its

lord may suffer affliction. Of course the same is true in reverse...if

bhava karaka is badly afflicted it can diminish the results even though

bhava lord may be strong.

 

This was brought to mind again today whilst looking at the chart of a

member recently banned from this group for unethical practice. For this

native both 4th lord (and) 4th karaka (Moon) are suffering debilitation.

4th, as we know, governs such things as moral virtues (ethics), righteous

conduct, character, good name and reputation, etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

What is the condition of Mercury in the chart?

 

Guessing, no benefic aspect on either Moon or 4th House to save the

situation.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

 

>>>>This was brought to mind again today whilst looking at the chart

of a member recently banned from this group for unethical practice.

For this native both 4th lord (and) 4th karaka (Moon) are suffering

debilitation. 4th, as we know, governs such things as moral virtues

(ethics), righteous conduct, character, good name and reputation,

etc..Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pundiyan,

 

9th lord Mercury is in retrograde motion in 5th. Note the aspect from

debilitated Moon who is a Grt.En to Mercury in this chart...permanent and

temporary enemy! Mercury's aspect to Moon is neutral...not good, not bad.

Mercury gets debilitated in navamsha. The nodes play a significant role

here being that they're disposited by JU/ME respectively.

Of course the indications for astrology are there with JU/VE aspecting

9th from 3rd; but (again) another trishadya bhava...Jupiter aspects both

4th lord and its karaka. Jupiter, along with 8th lord Sun, occupies

Scorpio navamsha.

 

Although this chart IS in the public domain, I would prefer not to give

the native's name as he's no longer a member of this group and cannot

respond to any points made...I will however give the birth details.

 

The focus, for me of course, was simply concerning the ethics of the

native concerned.

 

Name Withheld

9 May 1963 (23:57)

Trichur, Kerala

 

PS: Please don't hesitate to correct me if you find errors in my

assessment :-)

 

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" pandiyanmudaliyar " <pandiyanmudaliyar

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, May 26, 2008 12:07 PM

Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

What is the condition of Mercury in the chart?

 

Guessing, no benefic aspect on either Moon or 4th House to save the

situation.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

[Guest guest]

PS: Jupiter is a temporary enemy to both Moon and Mars.

___________________________

 

 

Dear Pundiyan,

 

9th lord Mercury is in retrograde motion in 5th. Note the aspect from

debilitated Moon who is a Grt.En to Mercury in this chart...permanent and

temporary enemy! Mercury's aspect to Moon is neutral...not good, not bad.

Mercury gets debilitated in navamsha. The nodes play a significant role

here being that they're disposited by JU/ME respectively.

Of course the indications for astrology are there with JU/VE aspecting

9th from 3rd; but (again) another trishadya bhava...Jupiter aspects both

4th lord and its karaka. Jupiter, along with 8th lord Sun, occupies

Scorpio navamsha.

 

Although this chart IS in the public domain, I would prefer not to give

the native's name as he's no longer a member of this group and cannot

respond to any points made...I will however give the birth details.

 

The focus, for me of course, was simply concerning the ethics of the

native concerned.

 

Name Withheld

9 May 1963 (23:57)

Trichur, Kerala

 

PS: Please don't hesitate to correct me if you find errors in my

assessment :-)

 

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I would like to discuss the following issues.

 

If Mercury is afflicted, in any manner in a chart, involving 5th

house, that is an indication for selfishness. This is my personal

observation. I always consider Mercury, whenever the 4th house and

its lord are examined for the purpose of mind, emotions, intelligence

and ethics etc. In the chart under consideration, Mercury is ®, in

5th house, in the constellation of 8th lord, who is exalted in 4th

house. 8th Lord's exaltation in 4th house is not desirable.

 

 

A weak planet in any house mars the properties of that house. Mars

does that in this chart. If we examine the chart from Moon, the

Mars afflicts the 4th lord and 4th house from the 9th. Mercury the

lord of 8th afflicts the 9th lord Moon in Lagna. Mars treats Saturn

as his Enemy. Saturn treats Mars as his great enemy. Their mutual

influence involving the 3rd house of mental inclinations and 9th

house of tradition etc... are not really a desirable one.

 

Thanks for your prompt reply and observations.

 

I agree with you that further discussion on the chart would not be

appreciable as the person is not available in the Group.

 

With Regards, Pandiyan Mudaliar

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandiyan,

 

I'm in agreement :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" pandiyanmudaliyar " <pandiyanmudaliyar

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, May 26, 2008 7:56 PM

Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I would like to discuss the following issues.

 

If Mercury is afflicted, in any manner in a chart, involving 5th

house, that is an indication for selfishness. This is my personal

observation. I always consider Mercury, whenever the 4th house and

its lord are examined for the purpose of mind, emotions, intelligence

and ethics etc. In the chart under consideration, Mercury is ®, in

5th house, in the constellation of 8th lord, who is exalted in 4th

house. 8th Lord's exaltation in 4th house is not desirable.

 

 

A weak planet in any house mars the properties of that house. Mars

does that in this chart. If we examine the chart from Moon, the

Mars afflicts the 4th lord and 4th house from the 9th. Mercury the

lord of 8th afflicts the 9th lord Moon in Lagna. Mars treats Saturn

as his Enemy. Saturn treats Mars as his great enemy. Their mutual

influence involving the 3rd house of mental inclinations and 9th

house of tradition etc... are not really a desirable one.

 

Thanks for your prompt reply and observations.

 

I agree with you that further discussion on the chart would not be

appreciable as the person is not available in the Group.

 

With Regards, Pandiyan Mudaliar

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandiyan,

 

You wrote any weak planet spoils the traits of that house where it is

placed; then it should be true that a strong planet boosts the traits

of that house where it is placed, Sun, in this case should be

favourable in that house… could you kindly elaborate a little further?

 

Namasthe, Viji

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " pandiyanmudaliyar "

<pandiyanmudaliyar wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I would like to discuss the following issues.

>

> If Mercury is afflicted, in any manner in a chart, involving 5th

> house, that is an indication for selfishness. This is my personal

> observation. I always consider Mercury, whenever the 4th house and

> its lord are examined for the purpose of mind, emotions,

intelligence

> and ethics etc. In the chart under consideration, Mercury is ®,

in

> 5th house, in the constellation of 8th lord, who is exalted in 4th

> house. 8th Lord's exaltation in 4th house is not desirable.

>

>

> A weak planet in any house mars the properties of that house. Mars

> does that in this chart. If we examine the chart from Moon, the

> Mars afflicts the 4th lord and 4th house from the 9th. Mercury

the

> lord of 8th afflicts the 9th lord Moon in Lagna. Mars treats

Saturn

> as his Enemy. Saturn treats Mars as his great enemy. Their mutual

> influence involving the 3rd house of mental inclinations and 9th

> house of tradition etc... are not really a desirable one.

>

> Thanks for your prompt reply and observations.

>

> I agree with you that further discussion on the chart would not be

> appreciable as the person is not available in the Group.

>

> With Regards, Pandiyan Mudaliar

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Viji,

 

You are absolutely right. A strong planet should support the

significations of that house. It is one of the cardinal principles

of Hindu Astrology. While considering the significations of 4th

house, such as mind and emotions, a strong planet ( exalted and holds

the 8th house ) like Sun is not preferable. This is also a valid

observation. One of the teachings of Parashara is that the 8th

lordship's stigma is not attached to Sun and Moon. It is again a

brilliant exception.

 

Sun here is not conducive to the *abstract* significations related to

mental faculties whereas favourable for *gross* significations,

namely, the land and property. Since one of the significations of

8th is chronic diseases, obstacles and intrigues; and Sun stands for

anger, arrogance and heat; the mixture of both qualities lead to the

possible conclusion that in adverse sub periods, the native could

suffer from stress, restlessness and show extreme frustration in his

activities which could be termed as obstacles and hindrances in his

day to day activities. This is the reason why I termed the placement

of Sun in 4th house, in this case is unwelcome. Noticeable point

here is that Sun is not tamed by way of any benefic influence(aspect

or conjunction)in the chart, though he is surrounded by benefics.

 

Since here the indicator for land and properties, that is Mars, is

not in dignity in 9th house from Moon, is an indication that the

native could land himself into difficulties in litigation, towards

the inherited property due to Sun's placement in 4th house from Lagna

proper and in 6th house from Moon. It is purely mixing the

placements from two Lagnas. Hence I observed it is not a desirable

placement.

 

In the circumstances, I feel, the only aid to the astrologer to

arrive at a right conclusion is that he should know the background of

the person and know him personally to some extent. I do not know

anything about him. My views are purely based on astrological

principles.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

 

PS: Hope Moderator may kindly excuse me for taking too much space

in my postings.

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " viji.selvi " <viji.selvi

wrote:

>

> Dear Pandiyan,

>

> You wrote any weak planet spoils the traits of that house where it

is

> placed; then it should be true that a strong planet boosts the

traits

> of that house where it is placed, Sun, in this case should be

> favourable in that house… could you kindly elaborate a little

further?

>

> Namasthe, Viji

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandiyan,

 

//PS: Hope Moderator may kindly excuse me for taking too much space

in my postings.//

 

You're most welcome to take up all the space you wish...the space is here

to be used, and if not filled with meaningful content, all we have is

empty space :-))

 

Regarding the exaltation of 8th lord in 4th we should not lose sight of

the fact that his dispositor (Mars) is debilitated. One thing known about

this native is his attachment to occult studies, research etc.. 8th lord

can indicate a strong and piercing but not always beneficent

intelligence.

 

So we look at the exaltation of 8th lord of the occult and balance that

with the debilitation of his dispositor (Mars)...aspecting 10th

(actions - good or bad), and 1st/2nd lord in lagna, for whom debilitated

Mars is a bitter enemy...1st denotes our innate nature whilst 2nd is the

house of speech (truthful speech, or not?).

 

Parashara Ch.24: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch24.htm

*88. If the 8th lord is in the 4th, the child will be deprived of its

mother. He will be devoid of a house, lands, and happiness, AND WILL

DOUBTLESSLY BETRAY HIS FRIENDS.*

 

The point to remember is that strong dusthana lord can harm the

significations of 4th.

 

Although this is mundane astrology, I'm reminded of recent conversations

we had here regarding Zimbabwe's chart with 8th lord Sun exalted in 4th;

and how harmful that was to the significations of 4th...landed property,

farmers etc, etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" pandiyanmudaliyar " <pandiyanmudaliyar

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Dear Viji,

 

You are absolutely right. A strong planet should support the

significations of that house. It is one of the cardinal principles

of Hindu Astrology. While considering the significations of 4th

house, such as mind and emotions, a strong planet ( exalted and holds

the 8th house ) like Sun is not preferable. This is also a valid

observation. One of the teachings of Parashara is that the 8th

lordship's stigma is not attached to Sun and Moon. It is again a

brilliant exception.

 

Sun here is not conducive to the *abstract* significations related to

mental faculties whereas favourable for *gross* significations,

namely, the land and property. Since one of the significations of

8th is chronic diseases, obstacles and intrigues; and Sun stands for

anger, arrogance and heat; the mixture of both qualities lead to the

possible conclusion that in adverse sub periods, the native could

suffer from stress, restlessness and show extreme frustration in his

activities which could be termed as obstacles and hindrances in his

day to day activities. This is the reason why I termed the placement

of Sun in 4th house, in this case is unwelcome. Noticeable point

here is that Sun is not tamed by way of any benefic influence(aspect

or conjunction)in the chart, though he is surrounded by benefics.

 

Since here the indicator for land and properties, that is Mars, is

not in dignity in 9th house from Moon, is an indication that the

native could land himself into difficulties in litigation, towards

the inherited property due to Sun's placement in 4th house from Lagna

proper and in 6th house from Moon. It is purely mixing the

placements from two Lagnas. Hence I observed it is not a desirable

placement.

 

In the circumstances, I feel, the only aid to the astrologer to

arrive at a right conclusion is that he should know the background of

the person and know him personally to some extent. I do not know

anything about him. My views are purely based on astrological

principles.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

 

PS: Hope Moderator may kindly excuse me for taking too much space

in my postings.

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " viji.selvi " <viji.selvi

wrote:

>

> Dear Pandiyan,

>

> You wrote any weak planet spoils the traits of that house where it

is

> placed; then it should be true that a strong planet boosts the

traits

> of that house where it is placed, Sun, in this case should be

> favourable in that house. could you kindly elaborate a little

further?

>

> Namasthe, Viji

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

>>You're most welcome to take up all the space you wish...the space

is here to be used, and if not filled with meaningful content, all we

have is empty space :-))>>

 

Thanks please.

 

>>Regarding the exaltation of 8th lord in 4th we should not lose

sight of the fact that his dispositor (Mars) is debilitated. One

thing known about this native is his attachment to occult studies,

research etc.. 8th lord can indicate a strong and piercing but not

always beneficent intelligence. >>

 

I agree. However, I would like to draw your attention to one point

that from Moon, the 5th house of " Prathiba " or " intelligence " , holds

its own lord Jupiter and an exalted Venus (two benefics in a house)

to improve the situation to some extent so far as the intelligence is

concerned. This group is aspected by Saturn from its own house of

self efforts and initiatives. They are not inimical to each other

temporarily. This is an indication that the native possess some

sort of creative intelligence. Unfortunately, Venus is in the

constellation of Mercury who is the 8th lord from Moon and they are

mutually influenced.

 

>>So we look at the exaltation of 8th lord of the occult and balance

that with the debilitation of his dispositor (Mars)...aspecting 10th

(actions - good or bad), and 1st/2nd lord in lagna, for whom

debilitated Mars is a bitter enemy...1st denotes our innate nature

whilst 2nd is the house of speech (truthful speech, or not?).>>

 

When this particular chart is examined, as a whole, the placement of

Sun in 4th is not conducive for most of the significations that

represent. Thanks for your observations.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandiyan,

 

There is another thing I should point out also...an important factor, no

doubt; and that is my own bias towards this person. I was shocked to

discover the behind-the-scene activities of this native that had, no

doubt, been going on for some time (a year or more, I'm sure). Naturally

enough my focus has been (primarily) on the aspects of the chart that

showed this character trait.

 

Under such circumstances ones objectivity can't help but become clouded

by their own bias. This is human nature, no doubt, but none-the-less not

a good mindset for an astrologer to slip into...which is why, although

I've appreciated your insight, I should perhaps not look at the chart

anymore...it's never good to focus too much on the negative :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" pandiyanmudaliyar " <pandiyanmudaliyar

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:17 PM

Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

>>You're most welcome to take up all the space you wish...the space

is here to be used, and if not filled with meaningful content, all we

have is empty space :-))>>

 

Thanks please.

 

>>Regarding the exaltation of 8th lord in 4th we should not lose

sight of the fact that his dispositor (Mars) is debilitated. One

thing known about this native is his attachment to occult studies,

research etc.. 8th lord can indicate a strong and piercing but not

always beneficent intelligence. >>

 

I agree. However, I would like to draw your attention to one point

that from Moon, the 5th house of " Prathiba " or " intelligence " , holds

its own lord Jupiter and an exalted Venus (two benefics in a house)

to improve the situation to some extent so far as the intelligence is

concerned. This group is aspected by Saturn from its own house of

self efforts and initiatives. They are not inimical to each other

temporarily. This is an indication that the native possess some

sort of creative intelligence. Unfortunately, Venus is in the

constellation of Mercury who is the 8th lord from Moon and they are

mutually influenced.

 

>>So we look at the exaltation of 8th lord of the occult and balance

that with the debilitation of his dispositor (Mars)...aspecting 10th

(actions - good or bad), and 1st/2nd lord in lagna, for whom

debilitated Mars is a bitter enemy...1st denotes our innate nature

whilst 2nd is the house of speech (truthful speech, or not?).>>

 

When this particular chart is examined, as a whole, the placement of

Sun in 4th is not conducive for most of the significations that

represent. Thanks for your observations.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

[Guest guest]

Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!

What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??

 

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008 1:47:48 PM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Dear Pandiyan,

 

There is another thing I should point out also...an important factor, no

doubt; and that is my own bias towards this person. I was shocked to

discover the behind-the-scene activities of this native that had, no

doubt, been going on for some time (a year or more, I'm sure). Naturally

enough my focus has been (primarily) on the aspects of the chart that

showed this character trait.

 

Under such circumstances ones objectivity can't help but become clouded

by their own bias. This is human nature, no doubt, but none-the-less not

a good mindset for an astrologer to slip into...which is why, although

I've appreciated your insight, I should perhaps not look at the chart

anymore...it' s never good to focus too much on the negative :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" pandiyanmudaliyar " <pandiyanmudaliyar@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:17 PM

Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

>>You're most welcome to take up all the space you wish...the space

is here to be used, and if not filled with meaningful content, all we

have is empty space :-))>>

 

Thanks please.

 

>>Regarding the exaltation of 8th lord in 4th we should not lose

sight of the fact that his dispositor (Mars) is debilitated. One

thing known about this native is his attachment to occult studies,

research etc.. 8th lord can indicate a strong and piercing but not

always beneficent intelligence. >>

 

I agree. However, I would like to draw your attention to one point

that from Moon, the 5th house of " Prathiba " or " intelligence " , holds

its own lord Jupiter and an exalted Venus (two benefics in a house)

to improve the situation to some extent so far as the intelligence is

concerned. This group is aspected by Saturn from its own house of

self efforts and initiatives. They are not inimical to each other

temporarily. This is an indication that the native possess some

sort of creative intelligence. Unfortunately, Venus is in the

constellation of Mercury who is the 8th lord from Moon and they are

mutually influenced.

 

>>So we look at the exaltation of 8th lord of the occult and balance

that with the debilitation of his dispositor (Mars)...aspecting 10th

(actions - good or bad), and 1st/2nd lord in lagna, for whom

debilitated Mars is a bitter enemy...1st denotes our innate nature

whilst 2nd is the house of speech (truthful speech, or not?).>>

 

When this particular chart is examined, as a whole, the placement of

Sun in 4th is not conducive for most of the significations that

represent. Thanks for your observations.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

 

 

 

 

From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to

http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeev,

 

//Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!//

 

Under what circumstances would Jupiter give intellectual arrogance?

 

//What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??//

 

I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

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" EagleEye Trader " <eagleeyetrades

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:25 PM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!

What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??

 

Regards

Rajeev

[Guest guest]

On May 27, 2008, at 6:25 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

> Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!

> What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??

>

 

The sky would be yellow. J/K.

 

Jupiter's intrinsic nature is not at all arrogant. He is a sattvic

brahmin. Put aside your experience of " Brahmins " in recent india and

realize that this description pertains to heavenly varnashrama.

Brahmanas are humble and helpful to all, and when they are sattvic

like Jupiter, their intentions are not marred by ego.

 

 

On May 27, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Under what circumstances would Jupiter give intellectual arrogance?

>

 

Mrs. Wendy is already pointing out the correct answer to you and

hoping you will grasp it yourself. The intrinsic wholesomeness of

Jupiter COULD be marred IF there are strong negative influences upon

him. But this is a (relatively rare) exception to the rule.

 

I think you would find Mercury more inclined to accept negative

influences and create an arrogant type of intelligence. Far more so

than Jupiter.

 

Yours,

Vic

[Guest guest]

Knowledge of the world (or of some subject), as it is, a source of arrogance,

just as having nucler bombs or fat bank account or having some advantage over

someone else.

Its a sweeping statement, but try it out over time.

 

Guru as he is called would have become Shiv himself, if he was not having some

defects, arrogance out of knowing that he is wiser in many things compared to

rest of devtas.

I sometimes think if the planets are also working out their karmas, since in

most vedic stories they are told to have got shraps and boons, or fought wars

and all the stuff most humans do, including having affairs with others wifes or

having arrogance or looting someoes wealth and what not..!!

From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was passing too many

judgements about someone else.!!

Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious, however smoothly

or mildly it is present.

In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or mukti than

guru. That was also a nice article.

I have no concrete idea, under what situation guru does what, but some things

are obvious.

I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!! Sorry if

something hurt.

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008 10:02:36 PM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

 

On May 27, 2008, at 6:25 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

> Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!

> What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??

>

 

The sky would be yellow. J/K.

 

Jupiter's intrinsic nature is not at all arrogant. He is a sattvic

brahmin. Put aside your experience of " Brahmins " in recent india and

realize that this description pertains to heavenly varnashrama.

Brahmanas are humble and helpful to all, and when they are sattvic

like Jupiter, their intentions are not marred by ego.

 

On May 27, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Under what circumstances would Jupiter give intellectual arrogance?

>

 

Mrs. Wendy is already pointing out the correct answer to you and

hoping you will grasp it yourself. The intrinsic wholesomeness of

Jupiter COULD be marred IF there are strong negative influences upon

him. But this is a (relatively rare) exception to the rule.

 

I think you would find Mercury more inclined to accept negative

influences and create an arrogant type of intelligence. Far more so

than Jupiter.

 

Yours,

Vic

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

On May 27, 2008, at 11:21 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

> Knowledge of the world (or of some subject), as it is, a source of

> arrogance, just as having nucler bombs or fat bank account or having

> some advantage over someone else.

> Its a sweeping statement, but try it out over time.

>

" A *little* knowledge is a dangerous thing " - but deep knowledge

brings humility. Look at the beginning of the 13th chapter of Gita.

Humility is both the FIRST cause and FIRST effect of knowledge.

 

> Guru as he is called would have become Shiv himself, if he was not

> having some defects, arrogance out of knowing that he is wiser in

> many things compared to rest of devtas.

>

Everyone has defects which can rear their ugly head under the right

pressures and circumstances. Nevertheless in the main Jupiter is a

very sattvic brahman. It takes a lot of pressure and circumstance to

severely tarnish Jupiter's influence.

 

> From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was

> passing too many judgements about someone else.!!

>

She humbly and truthfully admitted her bias herself. I thought that

was lovely. We cannot fake perfection, but when we are honest and

untwisted about our faults our imperfections are lessened. Frankly, be

more concerned about guru-aparadh.

 

> Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious,

> however smoothly or mildly it is present.

>

" Atmavan manyate jagat " --- you posses the world in your mind,

therefore you see the world through the lense of how YOU are. Remember

that.

 

Guru means " heavy " . My children are so sweet, but they are still kids.

When I punish them they get mad at me and say " Stupid Daddy!!! Stupid

Daddy!!! " hahahaha. I am punishing them out of love and kindness but

they think I am arrogant and " stupid " .

 

> In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or

> mukti than guru. That was also a nice article.

>

Yes, Jupiter is Guru of the Suras. Venus (as Shukra) is Guru of the

Asuras. Both Suras and Asuras are MATERIALISTIC (which i say with

folded hands to their feet). The reason for saying so is to remind

that Jupiter's beneficience is directed mainly towards the things

desired by the Suras - of which " mukti " or " moksha " is not a common

request.

 

It is suffering which impels one to moksha. This is the whole reason

why suffering EXISTS in the first place. Therefore planets like

Saturn, Rahu and Ketu can be very powerful bestowers of a quest for

enlightenment and liberation.

 

 

> I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

> Sorry if something hurt.

>

That's a nice statement. I can commiserate!!! I too am like that! Glad

you made that statement. You should repeat it many times. I am like

you and I have suffered a lot from aparadha that I have done to Sadhus

and Gurus and Brahmins as a result of my Saturn-tongue. It has also

gained me great blessings, but that's just some mutual advice on how

to mitigate the aparadha and maximize the blessings our shared nature

can bring.

 

=)

Yours,

Vic

[Guest guest]

I am sure guru is normally great enough not to get hurt by kids.!

If guru gets hurt, well then thats not a Guru..

so no apradh in either case. :-)

Most guru like mischevious kids, (atleast i hope so.)

So at the end that is a plus.

I hope i am not thrown out for all this emails. !!

No more emails on this.

Vic: this is just mischevious mercury having some fun, when the guru is quitely

reading the emails.

Did you know, that when it comes to sudden pentative insights, mercury can be

more incisive than guru, atleast sometimes? Why?

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 28 May, 2008 12:06:31 AM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

On May 27, 2008, at 11:21 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

> Knowledge of the world (or of some subject), as it is, a source of

> arrogance, just as having nucler bombs or fat bank account or having

> some advantage over someone else.

> Its a sweeping statement, but try it out over time.

>

" A *little* knowledge is a dangerous thing " - but deep knowledge

brings humility. Look at the beginning of the 13th chapter of Gita.

Humility is both the FIRST cause and FIRST effect of knowledge.

 

> Guru as he is called would have become Shiv himself, if he was not

> having some defects, arrogance out of knowing that he is wiser in

> many things compared to rest of devtas.

>

Everyone has defects which can rear their ugly head under the right

pressures and circumstances. Nevertheless in the main Jupiter is a

very sattvic brahman. It takes a lot of pressure and circumstance to

severely tarnish Jupiter's influence.

 

> From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was

> passing too many judgements about someone else.!!

>

She humbly and truthfully admitted her bias herself. I thought that

was lovely. We cannot fake perfection, but when we are honest and

untwisted about our faults our imperfections are lessened. Frankly, be

more concerned about guru-aparadh.

 

> Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious,

> however smoothly or mildly it is present.

>

" Atmavan manyate jagat " --- you posses the world in your mind,

therefore you see the world through the lense of how YOU are. Remember

that.

 

Guru means " heavy " . My children are so sweet, but they are still kids.

When I punish them they get mad at me and say " Stupid Daddy!!! Stupid

Daddy!!! " hahahaha. I am punishing them out of love and kindness but

they think I am arrogant and " stupid " .

 

> In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or

> mukti than guru. That was also a nice article.

>

Yes, Jupiter is Guru of the Suras. Venus (as Shukra) is Guru of the

Asuras. Both Suras and Asuras are MATERIALISTIC (which i say with

folded hands to their feet). The reason for saying so is to remind

that Jupiter's beneficience is directed mainly towards the things

desired by the Suras - of which " mukti " or " moksha " is not a common

request..

 

It is suffering which impels one to moksha. This is the whole reason

why suffering EXISTS in the first place. Therefore planets like

Saturn, Rahu and Ketu can be very powerful bestowers of a quest for

enlightenment and liberation.

 

> I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

> Sorry if something hurt.

>

That's a nice statement. I can commiserate! !! I too am like that! Glad

you made that statement. You should repeat it many times. I am like

you and I have suffered a lot from aparadha that I have done to Sadhus

and Gurus and Brahmins as a result of my Saturn-tongue. It has also

gained me great blessings, but that's just some mutual advice on how

to mitigate the aparadha and maximize the blessings our shared nature

can bring.

 

=)

Yours,

Vic

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Did you know, that when it comes to sudden pentative insights,

> mercury can be more incisive than guru, atleast sometimes? Why?

>

Think about it. Mercury is small and fast. Jupiter is big and heavy.

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeev,

 

//From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was passing

too many judgements about someone else.!!//

 

Making judgments on horoscopes is what astrologers do, and explaining

those judgements in a clear and rational manner (in a jyotish discussion

group) is the whole purpose of such a group. Perhaps (and hopefully) some

members may have gained a little more insight, through the example given,

of the " Importance of Bhava Karaka " ...this WAS the intention behind the

thread! Every mail I post is with the intention of teaching through

example. If that's deemed arrogant by some then so be it!

 

//Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious, however

smoothly or mildly it is present.//

 

The native who's chart was discussed can thank his lucky stars I chose

NOT to publicly name and shame him!!

 

//In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or

mukti than guru. That was also a nice article.//

 

This is not necessarily so! For Capricorn natives (particularly) Guru can

be a strong indicator for self-realization (moksha). His aspect on lagna

or lagna lord can be the greatest blessing in this regard.

 

//I have no concrete idea, under what situation guru does what,//

 

Perhaps you should try to learn! Please consider how his qualities in

exaltation might be expressed compared to debilitation (and) what

influence could we expect due to his placement in a particular nakshatra

etc..

 

//I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

Sorry if something hurt.//

 

'Hurt' is a word that's bandied around far too much...irritated by

someone's disruptive way of looking into things might be a more fitting

description perhaps.

Let's get on with the business of learning through discussion (of

particular charts) rather than making personal judgements based on

personal opinion. If you truly wish to pass judgement do it through the

horoscope... Mine is also available for public scrutiny!

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" EagleEye Trader " <eagleeyetrades

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:21 AM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Knowledge of the world (or of some subject), as it is, a source of

arrogance, just as having nucler bombs or fat bank account or having some

advantage over someone else.

Its a sweeping statement, but try it out over time.

 

Guru as he is called would have become Shiv himself, if he was not having

some defects, arrogance out of knowing that he is wiser in many things

compared to rest of devtas.

I sometimes think if the planets are also working out their karmas, since

in most vedic stories they are told to have got shraps and boons, or

fought wars and all the stuff most humans do, including having affairs

with others wifes or having arrogance or looting someoes wealth and what

not..!!

From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was passing too

many judgements about someone else.!!

Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious, however

smoothly or mildly it is present.

In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or mukti

than guru. That was also a nice article.

I have no concrete idea, under what situation guru does what, but some

things are obvious.

I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

Sorry if something hurt.

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008 10:02:36 PM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

 

On May 27, 2008, at 6:25 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

> Jupiter does gives intellectual arrogance many a time...!!

> What would have happened if all planets were like jupiter??

>

 

The sky would be yellow. J/K.

 

Jupiter's intrinsic nature is not at all arrogant. He is a sattvic

brahmin. Put aside your experience of " Brahmins " in recent india and

realize that this description pertains to heavenly varnashrama.

Brahmanas are humble and helpful to all, and when they are sattvic

like Jupiter, their intentions are not marred by ego.

 

On May 27, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Under what circumstances would Jupiter give intellectual arrogance?

>

 

Mrs. Wendy is already pointing out the correct answer to you and

hoping you will grasp it yourself. The intrinsic wholesomeness of

Jupiter COULD be marred IF there are strong negative influences upon

him. But this is a (relatively rare) exception to the rule.

 

I think you would find Mercury more inclined to accept negative

influences and create an arrogant type of intelligence. Far more so

than Jupiter.

 

Yours,

Vic

[Guest guest]

PS:

//The native who's chart was discussed can thank his lucky stars I chose

NOT to publicly name and shame him!!//

 

This was done through compassion - a quality of Guru!

_________

 

 

Dear Rajeev,

 

//From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was passing

too many judgements about someone else.!!//

 

Making judgments on horoscopes is what astrologers do, and explaining

those judgements in a clear and rational manner (in a jyotish discussion

group) is the whole purpose of such a group. Perhaps (and hopefully) some

members may have gained a little more insight, through the example given,

of the " Importance of Bhava Karaka " ...this WAS the intention behind the

thread! Every mail I post is with the intention of teaching through

example. If that's deemed arrogant by some then so be it!

 

//Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious, however

smoothly or mildly it is present.//

 

The native who's chart was discussed can thank his lucky stars I chose

NOT to publicly name and shame him!!

 

//In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or

mukti than guru. That was also a nice article.//

 

This is not necessarily so! For Capricorn natives (particularly) Guru can

be a strong indicator for self-realization (moksha). His aspect on lagna

or lagna lord can be the greatest blessing in this regard.

 

//I have no concrete idea, under what situation guru does what,//

 

Perhaps you should try to learn! Please consider how his qualities in

exaltation might be expressed compared to debilitation (and) what

influence could we expect due to his placement in a particular nakshatra

etc..

 

//I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

Sorry if something hurt.//

 

'Hurt' is a word that's bandied around far too much...irritated by

someone's disruptive way of looking into things might be a more fitting

description perhaps.

Let's get on with the business of learning through discussion (of

particular charts) rather than making personal judgements based on

personal opinion. If you truly wish to pass judgement do it through the

horoscope... Mine is also available for public scrutiny!

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic ji,

 

Namste,

 

You liked my assessment of the chart. Thanks for your compassionate

and loving words. The recognition goes to my jyotish teacher.

 

>>I might add that sun is fire and the 4th bhav is watery

(correct?) - the combination of fire and water is detrimental to both,

and produces a burst of steam (air). Thus sun in IV might be expected

to make a person emotionally unsteady and subject to outbursts.

Correct?>>

 

I agree. But we should also bear in mind that in the chart under

consideration, Sun holds the 8th house and takes the quality of water

to some extent. However, primarily, his original nature would prevail

on the native concerned. Sun loses its directional strength here in

fourth house. Having placed in a Kendra he gets strengthened, that

strength will enhance the traits of 8th house not of 4th house.

 

>>Also Sun lights the external world - 4th bhav is moon-connected, and

thus shines softly on the internal world>>

 

Yes. Let us consider one of the significations of Moon - `mother`.

She is soft and conveying equal love and tenderness to her children.

A true mother treats all her children equally and is enemy to none.

Moon does not treat any planet as its enemy in Hindu Astrology. If a

person is mild and does not have enemies and treat everybody is

equal, his mind will be calm and collective and he will true to the

nature of 4th house i.e. the nature of " Soma " the Moon.

 

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy

I have noted with respect the special focus you have put on having spared the

name and fame of some indvidual who copy pasted articles from elsewhere and

posted in his name and got some fame despite his planets showing that he is not

great enough.

 

Best Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 28 May, 2008 9:27:23 AM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

PS:

//The native who's chart was discussed can thank his lucky stars I chose

NOT to publicly name and shame him!!//

 

This was done through compassion - a quality of Guru!

____________ _________ _________ _________ ____

 

Dear Rajeev,

 

//From the emails, i read earlier, it was felt that someone was passing

too many judgements about someone else.!!//

 

Making judgments on horoscopes is what astrologers do, and explaining

those judgements in a clear and rational manner (in a jyotish discussion

group) is the whole purpose of such a group. Perhaps (and hopefully) some

members may have gained a little more insight, through the example given,

of the " Importance of Bhava Karaka " ...this WAS the intention behind the

thread! Every mail I post is with the intention of teaching through

example. If that's deemed arrogant by some then so be it!

 

//Great learning comes from guru, but the arrogance is abvious, however

smoothly or mildly it is present.//

 

The native who's chart was discussed can thank his lucky stars I chose

NOT to publicly name and shame him!!

 

//In some email, ketu was declared more potent for god realization or

mukti than guru. That was also a nice article.//

 

This is not necessarily so! For Capricorn natives (particularly) Guru can

be a strong indicator for self-realization (moksha). His aspect on lagna

or lagna lord can be the greatest blessing in this regard.

 

//I have no concrete idea, under what situation guru does what,//

 

Perhaps you should try to learn! Please consider how his qualities in

exaltation might be expressed compared to debilitation (and) what

influence could we expect due to his placement in a particular nakshatra

etc..

 

//I have a certain disruptive way of looking into things. dont mind.!!

Sorry if something hurt.//

 

'Hurt' is a word that's bandied around far too much...irritated by

someone's disruptive way of looking into things might be a more fitting

description perhaps.

Let's get on with the business of learning through discussion (of

particular charts) rather than making personal judgements based on

personal opinion. If you truly wish to pass judgement do it through the

horoscope... Mine is also available for public scrutiny!

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

 

 

 

Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite group

at http://in.promos./groups/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeev,

 

//some indvidual who copy pasted articles from elsewhere and posted in

his name and got some fame//

 

Although I'm sure this sort of thing happens frequently, in fact I see

from my webstats that my whole site has been downloaded several times?

But this has nothing to do with the situation leading to this person

being removed from the group. I will say no more as I think the matter

should rest now...it's over and done with!

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

 

-

" EagleEye Trader " <eagleeyetrades

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:51 PM

Re: Re: Importance of Bhava Karaka

 

 

Hi Wendy

I have noted with respect the special focus you have put on having spared

the name and fame of some indvidual who copy pasted articles from

elsewhere and posted in his name and got some fame despite his planets

showing that he is not great enough.

 

Best Regards

Rajeev

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandyan,

 

" Mere pranam svikar karo " (I remember that phrase from B.R. Chopra's

Mahabharat TV series, I hope it's not incorrect!)

 

It was a revelation to learn that a planet will adopt the qualities of

the houses it rules. No actually, I always knew that, but didn't

*realize* that it would pertain to the element, gender, polarity,

guna, etc. of the owned house. Thanks!

 

Yours,

Vic

 

On May 27, 2008, at 10:05 PM, pandiyanmudaliyar wrote:

 

> Dear Vic ji,

>

> Namste,

>

> You liked my assessment of the chart. Thanks for your compassionate

> and loving words. The recognition goes to my jyotish teacher.

>

> >>I might add that sun is fire and the 4th bhav is watery

> (correct?) - the combination of fire and water is detrimental to both,

> and produces a burst of steam (air). Thus sun in IV might be expected

> to make a person emotionally unsteady and subject to outbursts.

> Correct?>>

>

> I agree. But we should also bear in mind that in the chart under

> consideration, Sun holds the 8th house and takes the quality of water

> to some extent. However, primarily, his original nature would prevail

> on the native concerned. Sun loses its directional strength here in

> fourth house. Having placed in a Kendra he gets strengthened, that

> strength will enhance the traits of 8th house not of 4th house.

>

> >>Also Sun lights the external world - 4th bhav is moon-connected, and

> thus shines softly on the internal world>>

>

> Yes. Let us consider one of the significations of Moon - `mother`.

> She is soft and conveying equal love and tenderness to her children.

> A true mother treats all her children equally and is enemy to none.

> Moon does not treat any planet as its enemy in Hindu Astrology. If a

> person is mild and does not have enemies and treat everybody is

> equal, his mind will be calm and collective and he will true to the

> nature of 4th house i.e. the nature of " Soma " the Moon.

>

> With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

>

>

>