Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Niket, There are some (Balaji etc.) who do address me in this way and, although I initially had some qualms about it, I've come to accept that it's a respectful form of address in your culture. As for the first name form of address, I feel it's acceptable as long as it's prefixed with Miss, Mrs or whatever. Previous generations would often address people as Miss Daisy, Miss Sylvia, Miss Marple...or whatever :-) I address everyone here by their first names (or name they sign off with) simply because I don't know who's who. People are not (generally) forthright in introducing themselves so I have no idea whether I'm speaking to a 20 yr old or an 80 yr old...?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " astroiniket " <astroiniket <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:30 PM Re: Proper salutation well noted Mrs. Wendy, but i feel calling you respected wendy ji will be more suitable for me, if you do not get anger in this addressing. kind rgds niket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Nikit, I lile ur last sentence a good spirited one, though I must say my post was to give people like u more space to be understood than misunderstood, it is not a pre-requiste to speak, wrte welll surely helps though. in the cases where people may misunderstand only I had hinted at a suggestion it is not a NEGATIVE COMENT on anyone. just pleading for all such cases to be treated a bit more liently for sometime. Best wishes prashant kumar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, astroiniket <astroiniket wrote: > dear prashant ji, > > you are talking about grammar and compound lines, if u live in west of > USA, you will be shocked, what kind of English they are speaking, > knowing of it and command over it , not a big thing, it is habit of > use in day to day concern, English is not our (my) primary language, > my primary language is Sanskrit, second is Hindi, third is English, > and talking to the persons who doesn't know our language it is needed. > > anger is subject and angry is verb , in US subject and verbs both are > common in use, i am not here to give lecture on English, because it's > not my language, and i have proud on my mother language, but in forum, > we need English thats ok, in language three components are needed 1. > word 2. meaning 3. grammar. i will try to learn flowery British > English, thanks for comments. > > best wishes > > niket saraswat > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > " astro desk " > > <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > > > Dear Wedny, > > > > for those familiar with the normal ways it is easy but as u've seen > not many > > are used to or aware that these have an order and importance too. > Even when > > u misspell a name ppl do take offence to it, I myself have done this > on a > > few occasions and when I realized after hitting the send button have > sent a > > correction. I cud ignore it I if am careless or feel it is not > important. > > > > but anyway the crash course is on some sentences u see r still being > used > > with mistakes [grammar] both in addressing it and signing off a mail > most > > members leave it blank > > > > some even don't use any referal/salutation just > > open with this is my data or this is my problemm pl help.... > > ...thanks in advance.... > > > > unsigned > > > > this is one reason I had also said some ppl need to be given a > longer rope > > they many not intend to offend but their lack of application or > awareness of > > grammar does sound RUDE.IMPOLITE to some and does trigger some > exchanges. > > > > even today u find the use of the word anger instead of angry by a > member. > > > > ok if this idea is not good we can try a hyperlink to some samples of > > writing at the home page itself and/or in file section > > > > Best wishes > > Prashant kumar > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prashant Kumar, > > > > > > //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > > groups > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > simple > > > sentences than compounded ones etc// > > > > > > It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we > simply > > > adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation > that they > > > themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so complicated about > > > this? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> < > http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > ___ > > > > > > - > > > " astro desk " > <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>> > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM > > > Re: Proper salutation > > > > > > Dwar Wedny, > > > > > > Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married > ones some > > > may > > > still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have entered > > > the > > > school. class being single. > > > > > > My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar number in 2 > > > other > > > cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is a poor > > > translation for a Women head/chief. > > > > > > and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English > > > language > > > so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. > > > > > > probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places and in > > > groups > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > simple > > > sentences than compounded ones etc > > > > > > Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u > also > > > have > > > said > > > > > > it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a > younger > > > women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a > > > sister] > > > some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > prashant kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Niket I stand corrected, I never observed the difference in spelling till now. thoguh as u said we are familiar with one another in forums. and As I pointed out earlier if I realise I made a mistake I do correct it and most important is name too. we are all human and err so we have to keep observing, learing all the while none is perfect if we get used to this life is a great book, Guru for us. Best wishes Prashant kumar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:52 PM, astroiniket <astroiniket wrote: > prashant ji , > i know you very well, and i understand you well, i never feel bad from > any corner. > i will try to improve, as i am not a good typist, so some time > mistakes may be possible, as you write my name NIKIT, but it is Niket, > and i never object on that, also if u see your lines given at below > one or 2 errors are there. > > we are meture enough, so no questions for feeling bad. > > best wishes > niket > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > " astro desk " > <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > > > Dear Nikit, > > > > I lile ur last sentence a good spirited one, > > > > though I must say my post was to give people like u more space to be > > understood than misunderstood, it is not a pre-requiste to speak, > wrte welll > > > > surely helps though. > > > > in the cases where people may misunderstand only I had hinted at a > > suggestion it is not a NEGATIVE COMENT on anyone. just pleading for > all such > > cases to be treated a bit more liently for sometime. > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > prashant kumar > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, astroiniket <astroiniket > > wrote: > > > > > dear prashant ji, > > > > > > you are talking about grammar and compound lines, if u live in west of > > > USA, you will be shocked, what kind of English they are speaking, > > > knowing of it and command over it , not a big thing, it is habit of > > > use in day to day concern, English is not our (my) primary language, > > > my primary language is Sanskrit, second is Hindi, third is English, > > > and talking to the persons who doesn't know our language it is needed. > > > > > > anger is subject and angry is verb , in US subject and verbs both are > > > common in use, i am not here to give lecture on English, because it's > > > not my language, and i have proud on my mother language, but in forum, > > > we need English thats ok, in language three components are needed 1. > > > word 2. meaning 3. grammar. i will try to learn flowery British > > > English, thanks for comments. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > niket saraswat > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > " astro desk " > > > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Wedny, > > > > > > > > for those familiar with the normal ways it is easy but as u've seen > > > not many > > > > are used to or aware that these have an order and importance too. > > > Even when > > > > u misspell a name ppl do take offence to it, I myself have done this > > > on a > > > > few occasions and when I realized after hitting the send button have > > > sent a > > > > correction. I cud ignore it I if am careless or feel it is not > > > important. > > > > > > > > but anyway the crash course is on some sentences u see r still being > > > used > > > > with mistakes [grammar] both in addressing it and signing off a mail > > > most > > > > members leave it blank > > > > > > > > some even don't use any referal/salutation just > > > > open with this is my data or this is my problemm pl help.... > > > > ...thanks in advance.... > > > > > > > > unsigned > > > > > > > > this is one reason I had also said some ppl need to be given a > > > longer rope > > > > they many not intend to offend but their lack of application or > > > awareness of > > > > grammar does sound RUDE.IMPOLITE to some and does trigger some > > > exchanges. > > > > > > > > even today u find the use of the word anger instead of angry by a > > > member. > > > > > > > > ok if this idea is not good we can try a hyperlink to some > samples of > > > > writing at the home page itself and/or in file section > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Prashant kumar > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > //probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs > places and in > > > > > groups > > > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > > > simple > > > > > sentences than compounded ones etc// > > > > > > > > > > It seems quite simple to me...no crash course needed surely if we > > > simply > > > > > adopt the practice of addressing the person with the salutation > > > that they > > > > > themselves have chosen to sign-off with...what is so > complicated about > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> < > http://jyotishvidya.com/> < > > > http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " astro desk " > > > <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > > 40>> > > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 PM > > > > > Re: Proper salutation > > > > > > > > > > Dwar Wedny, > > > > > > > > > > Madam is used in India for teachers [school heads] and married > > > ones some > > > > > may > > > > > still be address as Miss even if they r Mrs. as they wud have > entered > > > > > the > > > > > school. class being single. > > > > > > > > > > My auditor who has 82 ppl under her in my city and similar > number in 2 > > > > > other > > > > > cities is referred by her staff as Madam only, somehow this is > a poor > > > > > translation for a Women head/chief. > > > > > > > > > > and as u have seen most members r not well versed in their English > > > > > language > > > > > so what one has learnt early in life good or bad has continued. > > > > > > > > > > probably there must be some crash course in diff ,jobs places > and in > > > > > groups > > > > > some group manners, jargon etc, how to address one another. frame > > > simple > > > > > sentences than compounded ones etc > > > > > > > > > > Madam is more in reverence though it can be interpreted they way u > > > also > > > > > have > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > it is almost part of a vernacular and some do use Behanji for a > > > younger > > > > > women but in some rank below Madam in their view [behanji is for a > > > > > sister] > > > > > some even use Madam for addressing an elderly women, > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > prashant kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Dear Balaji, //But intelligence and age are not reasons for respect. Every one of us is a soul who is dear to God. So, the respect you show others is in some way the respect that you show yourself.// Most certainly " logic " can be applied to any situation. However I'm from the generation where showing respect to our elders was the norm...meaning of course the elder generations...it would be silly to presume this should apply to someone elder in years but of the same generation. Things have changed today, I realise that, none-the-less old values still remain for many of us. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:28 PM Re: Proper salutation Wendy ji, ///There are some (Balaji etc.) who do address me in this way and, although I initially had some qualms about it, I've come to accept that it's a respectful form of address in your culture./// When I first joined the old JV group, I had the same problem--I didn't know who was older or younger than me, and I wasn't sure if I could remember in any case. Therefore, I have adopted the policy of adding " ji " to everybody. By calling you " Wendy " I am showing friendship, and by adding the " ji " I show respect. This is ideal--because, after all, you are my Guru, my teacher, and a teacher should be held in both affection and respect. I use " ji " with everybody because religion and Jyotish, and the strength of the moksha bhavas in my own chart, have taught me to transcend the body. Is somebody elder merely because of age? I have met fools who are older than me but know lesser; I have met people far younger than me, but who know a lot more. And I have met many--you included--who are older than me AND know a lot more than me! But intelligence and age are not reasons for respect. Every one of us is a soul who is dear to God. So, the respect you show others is in some way the respect that you show yourself. Also, " ji " is so nice and appeals to my Saturnine sense of equality--you can use it for those who are rich or poor, young or old, male or female, clever or foolish, saint or sinner. For, irrespective of all these considerations, are we not, all of us, beloved to God? Vic ji, ///In Japan " Sri Wendy " is like saying " Wendy-Sama " - it's a more distant and official form of respect/// Actually, in India, Sri is used for men, and Srimathi (abbreviated as " Smt. " ) is used for women. Again, " Pathi " is used for husband, but in a more general sense, it means lord--as in " Navamadi pathi " for 9th lord, etc. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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