Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

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> " Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:13 PM

> Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

>

> hii

> Venus dispositor Mercury is 4rth from Navamsa Lagna ryt?

> so neechabhanga?

>

May 1, 2007

Wendy ji,

///As many will know, I have long advocated that

cancellation on neecha (neechabhanga) can, at best,

indicate mixed results...some good, some bad.///

Completely agree!

Since I have neecha Guru, I have spent time

considering this. My personal observations are:

* The neechatva of a graha generally afflicts the

houses it rules, all said and done, even if there is

NBRY.

* If NBRY is present, then it manifests in the periods

of the graha that provides NBRY. For instance, I get

NBRY because Kuja, who would be uccha in Guru's place,

is in a kendra from Lagna. So, Kuja's periods help,

Guru's periods don't.

To me, Wendy ji, NBRY is like a consolation prize.

It's like telling a crying kid, " Ok, so you didn't win

the gold medal--here, have this certificate as a

consolation prize. " NBRY is like telling me, " Ok, so

Guru is neecha, and will hurt the houses he rules and

generally make you feel like jumping off a tall

building, but don't do that, you will get *SOME*

relief from Kuja. Note that the stress is on the word

*SOME*.

If an uccha graha makes you feel like a million

dollars and a neecha graha makes you feel like a

tattered dollar, then NBRY makes you feel like a ten

dollar note! :-)

///There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the

planet causing cancellation needs to be strong

(without affliction).///

Exactly! For instance, if Kuja and Chandra are both

neecha, then, since the mutual dispositors are

themselves weak, then there is much suffering.

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

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May 1, 2007

hii

but in JAGANNATH HORA software I get my Navamsa lagna as the third from

capricorn.

and Mercury and jupiter in gemini.

thus the fourth one.

thats why this confusion.

any coments abt my chart?

looking forward to hear from you

CMS

May 1, 2007

Dear Chandramohan,

I too use JHora. Following are the details seen in the bottom

middle window:

Untitled

Natal Chart

June 18, 1986

Time: 21:00:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 76 E 39' 00 " , 10 N 47' 00 "

Palghat, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Kshaya - Jyeshtha

Tithi: Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (11.31% left)

Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Bu)

Nakshatra: Swaati (Ra) (44.27% left)

Yoga: Siva (Bu) (68.37% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (22.61% left)

Hora Lord: Budha (5 min sign: Mesh)

Mahakala Hora: Budha (5 min sign: Makar)

Kaala Lord: Surya (Mahakala: Mangala)

Sunrise: 6:05:26

Sunset: 18:43:22

Janma Ghatis: 37.2738

Ayanamsa: 23-39-00.67

Sidereal Time: 14:22:54

Do you get anything different?

Regards,

Krishna

--- Chandramohan S <cmsiit wrote:

> hii

> but in JAGANNATH HORA software I get my Navamsa lagna as the

> third from

> capricorn.

> and Mercury and jupiter in gemini.

> thus the fourth one.

> thats why this confusion.

> any coments abt my chart?

> looking forward to hear from you

> CMS

>

May 1, 2007

yes yes

ITS CORRECT

SO LAGNA NAVAMSA IS IN AQUARIS

so NO nEECHABHANGE

but any other coments abt my chart?

May 1, 2007

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Dear Wendy,

Just adding my bit to the discussion: Every neechabhanga is not a

rajyoga. The planet should be a rajyogkaraka in the first place to be

capable of giving Rajyoga effects on attaining the neechabhanga.

And ofcourse, though a planet may get neechabhanga it will not be

totally free from the stigma of neecha hood. So its effects will be

mixed in nature.

Haven't yet gone through Al Pacino's chart. It should be interesting.

Will get back to it soon.

Regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> As many will know, I have long advocated that cancellation on

neecha

> (neechabhanga) can, at best, indicate mixed results...some good,

some bad.

> This view was reached after examining many charts with (supposed)

> neechabhanga that failed to manifest any marked benefit during the

periods

> of said planet. However, it never left my mind that neechabhanga is

a

> rajayoga...meaning that a neechabhanga planet has not just had its

neecha

> status cancelled, it's supposed to produce extraordinarily good

> results...this, after all, is the function of a rajayoga! The

reality is

> often very different, as we know, and rarely do we see such

extraordinary

> results from a neechabhanga planet.

>

> Again, the question needs to be asked, Why? Why do we find such

discrepancy

> between the description of the yogas and the reality, as we find

it, in

> different charts. I can only reiterate what I said earlier

regarding (any)

> yoga; " Each horoscope (and each yoga) must be judged on its own

> merits...memorising yogas parrot-fashion and applying the same

results for

> everyone is short-sighted and simply leads to confusion.

>

> The situation regarding neechabhanga came strongly into focus over

the

> weekend when I decided to catch up with some reading and was drawn

to the

> chapter on neechabhanga in James Braha's book; " The Art and

Practice of

> Ancient Hindu Astrology " . James seemed to hold the same opinion as

I did

> (even more so) and went as far as to say that neechabhanga rajayoga

doesn't

> work and was virtually worthless. He demonstrated this using the

charts of

> some famous people.

>

> Al Pacino (11:02am, 25 Apr 1940, Manhattan, NY) was the first

example he

> used to prove(?) that neechabhanga does NOT work. Pacino

(supposedly) has

> three neechabhanga planets:

>

> 1) Mercury debilitated in Pisces = Cancelled by Jupiter in Kendra

(10th).

> 2) Moon debilitated in Scorpio = Cancelled by Mars in Kendra from

Moon.

> 3) Saturn debilitated in Aries = Cancelled by conjunction with

exalted Sun.

>

> Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the sanctity of

> marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying neechabhanga

rajayoga

> in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from 7th

lord

> suffering combustion, the planet causing cancellation (Mars) is

inimicably

> placed in Taurus. There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the

planet

> causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction).

>

> We see the same thing with Moon who, instead of giving

extraordinary results

> during its dasa, was a time of extreme mental anxiety for Pacino.

He was

> plagued by mental anguish and alcoholism during his 10yr Moon dasa

> (1975-198).

>

> If we compare these examples of neechabhanga rajayoga to the

(Venus)

> neechabhanga in Srila Prabhupada's chart, we can see clearly how

this yoga

> gave extraordinarily good results...

>

> 5th/10th lord Venus debilitated in Virgo = Cancelled by conjunction

with

> exalted Mercury (in 9th). 5th house governs mantras; 10th indicates

fame

> (actions). No doubt Prabhupada attained astonishing fame through

spreading

> the Hare Krishna mantra, building temples etc, etc..

>

> So yes, I do agree with the classic description that neechabhanga

rajayoga

> can give extraordinarily good (auspicious) results. However, for

> neechabhanga to occur, the planet causing cancellation must be

without

> affliction.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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May 1, 2007

Dear Chandramohan,

Yes, neechabhanga applies to navamsha...providing the planet causing

cancellation is unafflicted. The same rules apply in Navamsha as in Rasi.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:07 PM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

hii

is there Neechabhanga in Navamsa chart?

assuming a planet is debilitated in Navamsa and the Navamsa Lord of the

planet is in a lagna kendra ..then

is it " Neechabhanga " ???

May 1, 2007

Dear Chandramohan,

Although some astrologers give different variations, these are the

conditions that support neechabhanga:

1) An exalted planet occupies the same house as the neecha planet.

2) The dispositor of neecha planet is exalted.

3) The dispositor of neecha planet is in a kendra from Lagna or Moon.

4) The planet exalted in sign holding neecha planet is in kendra from Lagna

or Moon.

For you, Venus' dispositor (Mercury) occupies 5th from Lagna (and Moon). I

would therefore not advocate neechabhanga per se. However, Mercury in own

sign may help the situation somewhat...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:20 PM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

hii

I am June 18 ,1986 9 00 PM in Palghat Kerala.

can you pls tell me if my Yogakaraka Venus has Navamsa Neechabhanga?

May 1, 2007

Dear Chandramohan,

According to the data you gave, I get Aquarius (holding Moon) rising in

Navamsha with Venus in Virgo whilst Mercury conjuncts Jupiter in

Gemini...Gemini being 5th from Aquarius.

The coordinates I have for your P.O.B. are; 76E30, 10N45. The ayanamsha is

Lahiri. Is this what you're using?

Perhaps other members might care to bring up the chart just to verify it's

not a glitch in my software - although I doubt it?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/01/02/stories/1002009a.htm

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" Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:13 PM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

hii

Venus dispositor Mercury is 4rth from Navamsa Lagna ryt?

so neechabhanga?

May 2, 2007

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Dear Wendy,

Just had a quick look at AL Pacino's chart. A very very interesting

chart.

The lack of a sanctified marriage would in all probability be alluded

to the hopelessly combust 7th lord Saturn. Though theoretically,

Saturn attains neechbhanga, it loses all its powers due to combustion

and turns more malefic.

Its interesting to note how planets have no repreive from combustion.

In this case it is in almost degree conjunction with Sun.

Regarding the Guru Chandala yoga, as almost everyone agrees, its

interpretation should be done cautiously. The name of this yoga

sounds so very horrendous, in actual life it may not be so as there

are many influences which can dilute its effects.

Regards,

Neena

- In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Yes, I agree...in that the neecha planet needs to be capable of

auspscious

> results - either by lordship (YogaKaraka) or other potential yoga.

>

> Again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and, without

doubt, my own

> experience of JU/RA yoga (for instance) was far removed from the

opinions

> given by some endeavoring to interpret this yoga. In Rasi, Jupiter,

in sign

> of exaltation, constitutes GajaKesari yoga from both lagna (and)

from Moon;

> Is conjunct Rahu in KENDRA and both are associated with exalted

Mercury in

> TRINE. (nakshatra lord)

>

> In Navamsha, Rahu has achieved rajayoga status by occupying a TRINE

in

> conjunction with KENDRA lord whilst Jupiter himself (in navamsha)

is

> enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga with dispositor Saturn in sign of

exaltation.

> Perhaps this could simply remain in the realm of hypothesis had I

not lived

> GU/RA period from Nov 73 - Nov 75...a most (the most) auspiscious

time in my

> life.

>

> All the significations of Jupiter flourished (knowledge, religion,

guru,

> good fortune, great wealth and prosperity, happiness etc) as did

the

> significations of 3rd/12th owned by Jupiter (in Rasi).

Extraordinarily good

> (auspiscious) results in foreign land, gain of sprituality, amazing

results

> in regards to meditation etc (12th). Effortless fulfillment of

desires,

> initiation into spiritual practices, exceptional loyal servants and

so forth

> (3rd).

>

> I had then, as I've always had, the greatest respect for, and the

greatest

> benefit from Gurus (including Christian priests). I was drawn

during that

> time to Maharishi (my vedic Guru) and developed a close personal

> relationship with my Catholic priest, father Farewell - one of the

most holy

> men I ever knew. A far cry from the recognised results of GCY that

say this

> yoga makes the individual an iconoclast, inclined to indulge in

socially and

> morally unethical activities.

>

> PS: Athough I honour and respect all bonafide Gurus (Maharishi

Parashara,

> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, ShantiMayi etc), I

have no

> such regard for the self-proclaimed psuedo gurus emerging in this

present

> age. And, of course, those that observe this disdain (for false

gurus) are

> quick to pin on the label of iconoclast.

>

> Mind you, in the grand scheme of things, there is a place even for

false

> gurus...who else could accomodate those that are drawn to false

teachings

> :-))

>

> My fervent hope is that members will use their own common-sense

(logic) when

> assessing (all) yogas - as they apply to individual horoscopes -

rather than

> just learning the yogas parrot-fashion and predicting the same

results for

> one and all.

>

> PS: I agree totally with the following pasted from:

>

> **Queries answered

>

> How does Guru-Chandala Yoga affect day-to-day life and when? Will

it apply

> also when the combination is in 8th, 9th or 10th?

>

> G. Chitra Kalyanaraman, Salem-7.

>

> Weak Jupiter, in conjunction with Saturn or Rahu or Gulika, causes

> Guru-Chandala Yoga, making natives bent on momentary gain and

material

> satisfaction gained somehow without regard for values or

conscience. Weak

> Lagna and Lagna Lord will aggravate the situation.

>

> The 7th house represents, friends, business partners, spouse etc.

and this

> Yoga can harm such features. The Yoga is prominent in the 7th. Rahu

or Guru

> Mahadasa may bring on the effects. The lordship of Jupiter and his

placement

> in Rasi or Bhava and the aspects he receives must also be

considered in

> estimating the effects.

>

> If Rahu is favourable in Mesha, Rishabha, Kataka, Kanya, or Makara,

material

> prosperity may not be denied to the native.**

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

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> -

> " neenako " <neenako

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:27 AM

> Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

>

> -

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Just adding my bit to the discussion: Every neechabhanga is not a

> rajyoga. The planet should be a rajyogkaraka in the first place to

be

> capable of giving Rajyoga effects on attaining the neechabhanga.

>

> And ofcourse, though a planet may get neechabhanga it will not be

> totally free from the stigma of neecha hood. So its effects will be

> mixed in nature.

>

> Haven't yet gone through Al Pacino's chart. It should be

interesting.

> Will get back to it soon.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

>

May 2, 2007

Wendy ji,

///I would venture to say that, for you, a mediocre

NBY applies due to Mars occupying 12th from Jupiter

etc.. Mars can be helpful up to a point, certainly,

but would struggle to give results applicable to a

rajayoga.///

You are right--Kuja is also in star of Surya, who is

at the edge of Meena, and therefore, not very

powerful.

Also, Kuja's dispositor is neecha, so his power to

give a powerful NBRY is bad right from the beginning!

From personal experience, believe me, Guru's

Bukti--which, thank God, ends in October 2007--has

been horrible!

Kuja's PD starts in a few days. Let's see...

Kuja in Rahu's Bukti gave me a job (in 2005), so

Kuja's NBRY, while not very powerful, is still

helpful.

Of course, since Kuja rules the 11th at Moolatrikona,

I got a job and got a hike in salary. Of course, it

also gave me a terribly bad tummy problem because of

the rulership of the 6th! :-)

Of course, then Rahu's Bukti ended--and I lost the

job, in Guru's Bukti, and regained it only in November

2005, when Sani's PD started.

This, thank God, has been stable--again, Sani gives

stability, does he not?

I have also experienced first hand that what Sani

gives cannot be easily taken away.

In Sani's PD (Nov 2005), I got a job. Later, a

colleague tried to drag my name into disrepute, intent

on causing me harm. But Sani protected me, and the

plan backfired--and this colleague himself lost his

job for trying to tarnish me!

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

~~~~~~~~~

May 2, 2007

Dear Neena,

Yes, I agree...in that the neecha planet needs to be capable of auspscious

results - either by lordship (YogaKaraka) or other potential yoga.

Again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and, without doubt, my own

experience of JU/RA yoga (for instance) was far removed from the opinions

given by some endeavoring to interpret this yoga. In Rasi, Jupiter, in sign

of exaltation, constitutes GajaKesari yoga from both lagna (and) from Moon;

Is conjunct Rahu in KENDRA and both are associated with exalted Mercury in

TRINE. (nakshatra lord)

In Navamsha, Rahu has achieved rajayoga status by occupying a TRINE in

conjunction with KENDRA lord whilst Jupiter himself (in navamsha) is

enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga with dispositor Saturn in sign of exaltation.

Perhaps this could simply remain in the realm of hypothesis had I not lived

GU/RA period from Nov 73 - Nov 75...a most (the most) auspiscious time in my

life.

All the significations of Jupiter flourished (knowledge, religion, guru,

good fortune, great wealth and prosperity, happiness etc) as did the

significations of 3rd/12th owned by Jupiter (in Rasi). Extraordinarily good

(auspiscious) results in foreign land, gain of sprituality, amazing results

in regards to meditation etc (12th). Effortless fulfillment of desires,

initiation into spiritual practices, exceptional loyal servants and so forth

(3rd).

I had then, as I've always had, the greatest respect for, and the greatest

benefit from Gurus (including Christian priests). I was drawn during that

time to Maharishi (my vedic Guru) and developed a close personal

relationship with my Catholic priest, father Farewell - one of the most holy

men I ever knew. A far cry from the recognised results of GCY that say this

yoga makes the individual an iconoclast, inclined to indulge in socially and

morally unethical activities.

PS: Athough I honour and respect all bonafide Gurus (Maharishi Parashara,

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, ShantiMayi etc), I have no

such regard for the self-proclaimed psuedo gurus emerging in this present

age. And, of course, those that observe this disdain (for false gurus) are

quick to pin on the label of iconoclast.

Mind you, in the grand scheme of things, there is a place even for false

gurus...who else could accomodate those that are drawn to false teachings

:-))

My fervent hope is that members will use their own common-sense (logic) when

assessing (all) yogas - as they apply to individual horoscopes - rather than

just learning the yogas parrot-fashion and predicting the same results for

one and all.

PS: I agree totally with the following pasted from:

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/01/02/stories/1002009a.htm

**Queries answered

How does Guru-Chandala Yoga affect day-to-day life and when? Will it apply

also when the combination is in 8th, 9th or 10th?

G. Chitra Kalyanaraman, Salem-7.

Weak Jupiter, in conjunction with Saturn or Rahu or Gulika, causes

Guru-Chandala Yoga, making natives bent on momentary gain and material

satisfaction gained somehow without regard for values or conscience. Weak

Lagna and Lagna Lord will aggravate the situation.

The 7th house represents, friends, business partners, spouse etc. and this

Yoga can harm such features. The Yoga is prominent in the 7th. Rahu or Guru

Mahadasa may bring on the effects. The lordship of Jupiter and his placement

in Rasi or Bhava and the aspects he receives must also be considered in

estimating the effects.

If Rahu is favourable in Mesha, Rishabha, Kataka, Kanya, or Makara, material

prosperity may not be denied to the native.**

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

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" neenako " <neenako

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:27 AM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

-

Dear Wendy,

Just adding my bit to the discussion: Every neechabhanga is not a

rajyoga. The planet should be a rajyogkaraka in the first place to be

capable of giving Rajyoga effects on attaining the neechabhanga.

And ofcourse, though a planet may get neechabhanga it will not be

totally free from the stigma of neecha hood. So its effects will be

mixed in nature.

Haven't yet gone through Al Pacino's chart. It should be interesting.

Will get back to it soon.

Regards,

Neena

May 2, 2007

Dear Wendy,

That was a wonderful lesson on NBRY! It is very evident that one

should look at the status of the planets involved and their

dispositors as well to get the complete picture. Otherwise, one

can lose their way easily.

There is one more interesting case one could take up to study -

Aishwarya Rai. She has two debilitated planets:

Jupiter: Neechabhanga as dispositor Saturn in a Kendra from

lagna and Moon as well.

Sun: Neechabhanga as the dispositor Venus is in a Kendra from

both Lagna and Moon.

Out of the above two cases, Venus is not well placed as it is in

its enemy's house along with Rahu. Even in Navamsa, Venus is

placed in enemy's house and conjunct another enemy. Whereas

Saturn is well placed in friend's house though aspected by enemy

Moon. Saturn is well placed in Navamsa as well.

Hence, I guess it is NBRY with Jupiter and a weak NBY with Sun.

I would like to see more comments on this case from the

memebers.

The birth details are:

Rai, Ashwarya

November 1, 1973

Time: 4:05:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 74 E 51' 00 " , 12 N 54' 00 "

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Correction:

>

> ///Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the

> sanctity of

> marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying

> neechabhanga rajayoga

> in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from

> 7th lord

> suffering combustion, *the planet causing cancellation (Mars)

> is inimicably

> placed in Taurus*. There can be no doubt that, to be

> effective, the planet

> causing cancellation needs to be strong (without

> affliction).///

>

> Apologies, my fingers were (obviously) quicker than my brain

> :-)

>

> I meant to write; *the dispositor of SU/SA (Mars) is

> inimicably placed in

> Taurus*.

>

> PS:

> Srila Prabhupad's data:

> 1 Sep 1896 (16:00)

> Calcutta, India

> _

>

> Dear Group,

>

> As many will know, I have long advocated that cancellation on

> neecha

> (neechabhanga) can, at best, indicate mixed results...some

> good, some bad.

> This view was reached after examining many charts with

> (supposed)

> neechabhanga that failed to manifest any marked benefit during

> the periods

> of said planet. However, it never left my mind that

> neechabhanga is a

> rajayoga...meaning that a neechabhanga planet has not just had

> its neecha

> status cancelled, it's supposed to produce extraordinarily

> good

> results...this, after all, is the function of a rajayoga! The

> reality is

> often very different, as we know, and rarely do we see such

> extraordinary

> results from a neechabhanga planet.

>

> Again, the question needs to be asked, Why? Why do we find

> such discrepancy

> between the description of the yogas and the reality, as we

> find it, in

> different charts. I can only reiterate what I said earlier

> regarding (any)

> yoga; " Each horoscope (and each yoga) must be judged on its

> own

> merits...memorising yogas parrot-fashion and applying the same

> results for

> everyone is short-sighted and simply leads to confusion.

>

> The situation regarding neechabhanga came strongly into focus

> over the

> weekend when I decided to catch up with some reading and was

> drawn to the

> chapter on neechabhanga in James Braha's book; " The Art and

> Practice of

> Ancient Hindu Astrology " . James seemed to hold the same

> opinion as I did

> (even more so) and went as far as to say that neechabhanga

> rajayoga doesn't

> work and was virtually worthless. He demonstrated this using

> the charts of

> some famous people.

>

> Al Pacino (11:02am, 25 Apr 1940, Manhattan, NY) was the first

> example he

> used to prove(?) that neechabhanga does NOT work. Pacino

> (supposedly) has

> three neechabhanga planets:

>

> 1) Mercury debilitated in Pisces = Cancelled by Jupiter in

> Kendra (10th).

> 2) Moon debilitated in Scorpio = Cancelled by Mars in Kendra

> from Moon.

> 3) Saturn debilitated in Aries = Cancelled by conjunction with

> exalted Sun.

>

> Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the

> sanctity of

> marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying

> neechabhanga rajayoga

> in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from

> 7th lord

> suffering combustion, the planet causing cancellation (Mars)

> is inimicably

> placed in Taurus. There can be no doubt that, to be effective,

> the planet

> causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction).

>

> We see the same thing with Moon who, instead of giving

> extraordinary results

> during its dasa, was a time of extreme mental anxiety for

> Pacino. He was

> plagued by mental anguish and alcoholism during his 10yr Moon

> dasa

> (1975-198).

>

> If we compare these examples of neechabhanga rajayoga to the

> (Venus)

> neechabhanga in Srila Prabhupada's chart, we can see clearly

> how this yoga

> gave extraordinarily good results...

>

> 5th/10th lord Venus debilitated in Virgo = Cancelled by

> conjunction with

> exalted Mercury (in 9th). 5th house governs mantras; 10th

> indicates fame

> (actions). No doubt Prabhupada attained astonishing fame

> through spreading

> the Hare Krishna mantra, building temples etc, etc..

>

> So yes, I do agree with the classic description that

> neechabhanga rajayoga

> can give extraordinarily good (auspicious) results. However,

> for

> neechabhanga to occur, the planet causing cancellation must be

> without

> affliction.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

> ___

>

Regards,

Krishna

May 3, 2007

Dear Wendy,

// I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)//

No doubt, you are an excellent teacher :-)

I am looking for one clarification in NBRY case. When a neecha

planet is retrograde, is it considered as neechabhanga? If so,

even in this case should we look for the strength of the

dispositor?

I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> //That was a wonderful lesson on NBRY! It is very evident that

> one

> should look at the status of the planets involved and their

> dispositors as well to get the complete picture. Otherwise,

> one

> can lose their way easily.//

>

> I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)

>

> //There is one more interesting case one could take up to

> study -

> Aishwarya Rai. She has two debilitated planets://

>

> Thank you Krishna, I look forward to viewing the chart in

> light of NBRY and

> will do so as soon as time permits. At the moment however I'm

> rather busy

> getting another page ready to upload on JyotishVidya.com..

>

> I also look forward to reading other members comments on this

> chart.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

> ___

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:05 AM

> Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> That was a wonderful lesson on NBRY! It is very evident that

> one

> should look at the status of the planets involved and their

> dispositors as well to get the complete picture. Otherwise,

> one

> can lose their way easily.

>

> There is one more interesting case one could take up to study

> -

> Aishwarya Rai. She has two debilitated planets:

>

> Jupiter: Neechabhanga as dispositor Saturn in a Kendra from

> lagna and Moon as well.

>

> Sun: Neechabhanga as the dispositor Venus is in a Kendra from

> both Lagna and Moon.

>

> Out of the above two cases, Venus is not well placed as it is

> in

> its enemy's house along with Rahu. Even in Navamsa, Venus is

> placed in enemy's house and conjunct another enemy. Whereas

> Saturn is well placed in friend's house though aspected by

> enemy

> Moon. Saturn is well placed in Navamsa as well.

>

> Hence, I guess it is NBRY with Jupiter and a weak NBY with

> Sun.

>

> I would like to see more comments on this case from the

> memebers.

>

> The birth details are:

>

> Rai, Ashwarya

>

> November 1, 1973

> Time: 4:05:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 74 E 51' 00 " , 12 N 54' 00 "

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

Regards,

Krishna

May 3, 2007

Dear Krishna,

//That was a wonderful lesson on NBRY! It is very evident that one

should look at the status of the planets involved and their

dispositors as well to get the complete picture. Otherwise, one

can lose their way easily.//

I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)

//There is one more interesting case one could take up to study -

Aishwarya Rai. She has two debilitated planets://

Thank you Krishna, I look forward to viewing the chart in light of NBRY and

will do so as soon as time permits. At the moment however I'm rather busy

getting another page ready to upload on JyotishVidya.com..

I also look forward to reading other members comments on this chart.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:05 AM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

Dear Wendy,

That was a wonderful lesson on NBRY! It is very evident that one

should look at the status of the planets involved and their

dispositors as well to get the complete picture. Otherwise, one

can lose their way easily.

There is one more interesting case one could take up to study -

Aishwarya Rai. She has two debilitated planets:

Jupiter: Neechabhanga as dispositor Saturn in a Kendra from

lagna and Moon as well.

Sun: Neechabhanga as the dispositor Venus is in a Kendra from

both Lagna and Moon.

Out of the above two cases, Venus is not well placed as it is in

its enemy's house along with Rahu. Even in Navamsa, Venus is

placed in enemy's house and conjunct another enemy. Whereas

Saturn is well placed in friend's house though aspected by enemy

Moon. Saturn is well placed in Navamsa as well.

Hence, I guess it is NBRY with Jupiter and a weak NBY with Sun.

I would like to see more comments on this case from the

memebers.

The birth details are:

Rai, Ashwarya

November 1, 1973

Time: 4:05:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 74 E 51' 00 " , 12 N 54' 00 "

Regards,

Krishna

May 3, 2007

Dear Chandramohan,

It would be better if you were more specific about what particular aspect of

your chart you would like members to comment on :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

___

-

" Chandramohan S " <cmsiit

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:06 PM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

yes yes

ITS CORRECT

SO LAGNA NAVAMSA IS IN AQUARIS

so NO nEECHABHANGE

but any other coments abt my chart?

May 3, 2007

Dear Wendy,

Thanks a lot. One wrong concept that I picked up from another

mailing list is out of my system now :-)

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> //I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that

> a

> neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.//

>

> The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed

> due to several

> reasons.

>

> FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires

> a certain

> strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable

> when we consider

> that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this

> doesn't in

> anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in

> retrograde

> motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated

> the increased

> retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact

> it simply

> means the neecha effect is more powerful.

>

> Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to

> motion, are two

> entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by

> proxy) due to

> the strength of its dispositor etc..

>

> 21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are

> Vakra

> (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in

> retrograde motion),

> Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

> (somewhat slower

> motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous

> mentioned motion),

> Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara

> (faster than

> Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated

> motion). The

> strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30,

> 15, 7.5, 45,

> and 30.

>

> SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to

> the planet's

> position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As

> we know, a

> planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree

> of exaltation

> and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it...

>

> In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of

> exaltation, turns

> retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards

> it...gaining

> strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse

> for debilitated

> planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in

> the

> horoscope.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

> ___

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:37 PM

> Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> // I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)//

>

> No doubt, you are an excellent teacher :-)

>

> I am looking for one clarification in NBRY case. When a neecha

> planet is retrograde, is it considered as neechabhanga? If so,

> even in this case should we look for the strength of the

> dispositor?

>

> I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

> neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

Regards,

Krishna

May 3, 2007

Dear Krishna,

//I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.//

The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to several

reasons.

FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a certain

strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we consider

that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this doesn't in

anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in retrograde

motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated the increased

retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact it simply

means the neecha effect is more powerful.

Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion, are two

entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by proxy) due to

the strength of its dispositor etc..

http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

(retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde motion),

Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda (somewhat slower

motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned motion),

Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara (faster than

Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The

strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45,

and 30.

SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the planet's

position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As we know, a

planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree of exaltation

and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it...

In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation, turns

retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards it...gaining

strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for debilitated

planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in the

horoscope.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

___

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:37 PM

Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga

Dear Wendy,

// I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)//

No doubt, you are an excellent teacher :-)

I am looking for one clarification in NBRY case. When a neecha

planet is retrograde, is it considered as neechabhanga? If so,

even in this case should we look for the strength of the

dispositor?

I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.

Regards,

Krishna

May 3, 2007

-

Dear Wendy,

How beautifully you have explained the concept of retrogression and

what can be expected of a retrograde planet!

I am sure, like me, all other members of the list must be gaining so

much from your posts on varied subjects.

The movement of a planet towards its point of exaltation makes its

stronger than when it is moving towards its debilitation.

It is the 'Aarohi " and the 'Avarohi " avastha.

Thank you very much and God bless you,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna,

>

> //I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

> neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.//

>

> The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to

several

> reasons.

>

> FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a

certain

> strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we

consider

> that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this

doesn't in

> anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in

retrograde

> motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated the

increased

> retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact it

simply

> means the neecha effect is more powerful.

>

> Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion,

are two

> entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by

proxy) due to

> the strength of its dispositor etc..

>

> 21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

> (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

motion),

> Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

(somewhat slower

> motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned

motion),

> Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara

(faster than

> Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The

> strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15,

7.5, 45,

> and 30.

>

> SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the

planet's

> position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As we

know, a

> planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree of

exaltation

> and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it...

>

> In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation,

turns

> retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards

it...gaining

> strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for

debilitated

> planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in the

> horoscope.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy