Exchange between 7H and 12H

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January 2, 2008

Dear Viveka and Guru Swarup,

Of course both 7th/12th (as with all bhavas) signify many things. 12th

governs travel to far-off places whilst 7th indicates living abroad (amongst

other things)...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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wrote:

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> Dear group members,

> Can anyone in the group share ideas on the effect of 7H anf 12H -

lords exchange their houses. Would it mean expense through spouse or

wife from overseas or any other cannotation?

>

> Rgds,

> Viveka

Dear Vivek,

Reg.:effect of 7H anf 12H - lords exchange their houses.

7th house is regarded as house of partnership, married life and

quality of spouse/partner and the 12th house beside being the house

expenditure ,is also regarded as one's bed room. Good and sound sleep

is always judged from the 12th House.

Ex chanange of the lords of two houses having similar Karkattva

enhanses the results common to both of the houses.

7th Lord in 12th increases the expenditures but for comforts of

ownself and the spouse, like Ve in 12th house.

12th lord in 7th will enhance the enjoyment in family life and deny any

external relations.

These results are likely to be influeced by the nature of the lords.

This is as I could see it , and not sure about the correctness.

Guru Swarup

January 3, 2008

Dear Wendy,

Thank you for the clarification. I would also like to know the results due to

exchange of these two house lords.

Rgds,

Viveka

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:26:53 AM

Re: Re: Exchange between 7H and 12H

Dear Viveka and Guru Swarup,

Of course both 7th/12th (as with all bhavas) signify many things. 12th

governs travel to far-off places whilst 7th indicates living abroad (amongst

other things)...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

http://groups. / group/jyotish- vidya

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jyotish-vidya, viveka ragu <vivekaragu@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear group members,

> Can anyone in the group share ideas on the effect of 7H anf 12H -

lords exchange their houses. Would it mean expense through spouse or

wife from overseas or any other cannotation?

>

> Rgds,

> Viveka

Dear Vivek,

Reg.:effect of 7H anf 12H - lords exchange their houses.

7th house is regarded as house of partnership, married life and

quality of spouse/partner and the 12th house beside being the house

expenditure ,is also regarded as one's bed room. Good and sound sleep

is always judged from the 12th House.

Ex chanange of the lords of two houses having similar Karkattva

enhanses the results common to both of the houses.

7th Lord in 12th increases the expenditures but for comforts of

ownself and the spouse, like Ve in 12th house.

12th lord in 7th will enhance the enjoyment in family life and deny any

external relations.

These results are likely to be influeced by the nature of the lords.

This is as I could see it , and not sure about the correctness.

Guru Swarup

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January 3, 2008

Wendy ji,

///Of course both 7th/12th (as with all bhavas)

signify many things. 12th governs travel to far-off

places whilst 7th indicates living abroad (amongst

other things)...///

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 7th ruled

impact abroad, 12th ruled stay abroad, 8th ruled

overseas journeys, and 9th ruled long journeys.

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January 3, 2008

Dear Viveka,

How this exchange (parivartana yoga) might manifest depends on many

things...nature of planets involved, dignity of said planets, aspects,

nakshatras etc..

Generally speaking however, the exchange between 12th (dusthana) and 7th

(kendra), known as a dainya (misery) yoga, indicates expenditure, and loss

of, the indications of the kendra bhava. But this really is a very broad

generalisation based on the scanty information available, I'm afraid.

We need (also) to be aware of the fact that 7th is 8th from 12th whilst 12th

is 6th from 7th...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:29 PM

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12H

Dear Wendy,

Thank you for the clarification. I would also like to know the results due

to exchange of these two house lords.

Rgds,

Viveka

January 3, 2008

Dear Balaji,

Good to hear from you :-)

///Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 7th ruled

impact abroad, 12th ruled stay abroad, 8th ruled

overseas journeys, and 9th ruled long journeys.///

To the best of my knowledge, 7th (4th from 4th) signifies residence abroad,

whilst living abroad is seen from 10th. Going beyond our borders is seen

from 12th whilst air travel (pleasure etc) is seen from 9th.

If we consider 12th house a little closer the reason for this becomes clear

(we have discussed this previously BTW). As we know the house of loss

encompasses all losses including loss of boundaries...whether they be moral

boundaries (leading to sin), boundaries of consciousness (transcendental

consciousness) or geographical boundaries....

8th being 9th from 12th indicates travel within foreign places...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Exchange between 7H and 12H

Wendy ji,

///Of course both 7th/12th (as with all bhavas)

signify many things. 12th governs travel to far-off

places whilst 7th indicates living abroad (amongst

other things)...///

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 7th ruled

impact abroad, 12th ruled stay abroad, 8th ruled

overseas journeys, and 9th ruled long journeys.

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January 3, 2008

Dear Wendy,

Thanks a lot for the clarification.

Rgds,

Viveka

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:03:27 PM

Re: Re: Re: Exchange between 7H and 12H

Dear Viveka,

How this exchange (parivartana yoga) might manifest depends on many

things...nature of planets involved, dignity of said planets, aspects,

nakshatras etc..

Generally speaking however, the exchange between 12th (dusthana) and 7th

(kendra), known as a dainya (misery) yoga, indicates expenditure, and loss

of, the indications of the kendra bhava. But this really is a very broad

generalisation based on the scanty information available, I'm afraid.

We need (also) to be aware of the fact that 7th is 8th from 12th whilst 12th

is 6th from 7th...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

http://groups. / group/jyotish- vidya

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Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:29 PM

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12H

Dear Wendy,

Thank you for the clarification. I would also like to know the results due

to exchange of these two house lords.

Rgds,

Viveka

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January 4, 2008

Wendy ji,

///To the best of my knowledge, 7th (4th from 4th)

signifies residence abroad, whilst living abroad is

seen from 10th.///

According to Bhrigu Sutras

http://jyotishvidya.com/part1_2.htm

Seventh House rules influence in foreign countries and

reputation achieved there.

Ninth House rules long journeys, voyage, air travel,

higher education, foreign travel.

Twelfth House rules life in a foreign place.

This has, at one level, been borne out in practice in

my own life. I went to Beijing in Dec 2006 and to

Malaysia in Nov 2007. In the first case, I was running

PD of Sukra (12th lord) and in the second, PD of Sani

(8/9 lord).

In my humble opinion, 7th does rule influence in

foreign countries--I have Rahu in the 7th, and this

perhaps is why I got one book published in the US and

another in Japan. This happened before I left Indian

soil for the first time.

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January 4, 2008

Thank you Balaji,

May I refer you first to the file

(jyotish-vidya) marked

'Karakatwas.JPG'. This flyer was given out to course participants on the

Maharishi Jyotish Course which was conducted by eminent jyotish pundits

(which I attended in 1988)...

Other referrals, can be found throughout various classics (old and new). I

will search them out for you as time permits. However, for now, let's

consider the reference you pulled from Bhrigu Sutras which states 'Influence

in foreign countries and reputation achieved there.'

Please bear in mind that I pointed out earlier that 7th (4th from 4th)

indicated residence in foreign land, and, as we know, 4th (as with all

bhavas) carries many significations; not the least of which is good name and

reputation. Bhrigu Sutra, due to the brevity (found in all classics) has

laid emphasis on this particular signification...good name and reputation!

As I said in earlier mail, this topic has been discussed previously see

message #1177...perhaps you remember?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Friday, January 04, 2008 6:36 PM

Re: Exchange between 7H and 12H

Wendy ji,

///To the best of my knowledge, 7th (4th from 4th)

signifies residence abroad, whilst living abroad is

seen from 10th.///

According to Bhrigu Sutras

Seventh House rules influence in foreign countries and

reputation achieved there.

Ninth House rules long journeys, voyage, air travel,

higher education, foreign travel.

Twelfth House rules life in a foreign place.

This has, at one level, been borne out in practice in

my own life. I went to Beijing in Dec 2006 and to

Malaysia in Nov 2007. In the first case, I was running

PD of Sukra (12th lord) and in the second, PD of Sani

(8/9 lord).

In my humble opinion, 7th does rule influence in

foreign countries--I have Rahu in the 7th, and this

perhaps is why I got one book published in the US and

another in Japan. This happened before I left Indian

soil for the first time.

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January 4, 2008

Dear Balaji,

///In my humble opinion, 7th does rule influence in

foreign countries--I have Rahu in the 7th, and this

perhaps is why I got one book published in the US and

another in Japan. This happened before I left Indian

soil for the first time.///

Literary works or long literary production (as given in HoraSara for

instance) is seen from 5th house whilst publishing, I believe, is seen from

9th (5th from 5th). For you, 5th/12th lord Venus occupies 9th... Do we not

see the foreign connection here in terms of literary works?

///According to Bhrigu Sutras

Seventh House rules influence in foreign countries and

reputation achieved there.///

I have already commented on this :-)

///Ninth House rules long journeys, voyage, air travel,

higher education, foreign travel.///

This I also stated in previous mail:

>>whilst air travel (pleasure etc) is seen from 9th.<<

///Twelfth House rules life in a foreign place.///

As we know, there are many reasons for travel. We may travel for the purpose

of business/trade and would then consider 7th house, along with other

things, to verify this. 9th house should be considered in terms of (air)

travel for pleasure/pilgrimage etc., whilst packing up our belongings and

moving away from our normal place (beyond our borders) is seen from 12th.

3rd, if I'm not mistaken, signifies short/inner-city journeys.

This information is available at: http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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January 6, 2008

Wendy ji,

///Literary works or long literary production (as

given in HoraSara for instance) is seen from 5th house

whilst publishing, I believe, is seen from 9th (5th

from 5th).///

Yes. But, of course, I have 3rd lord [written

communications] in the 10th [career], so this perhaps

played a part too.

///For you, 5th/12th lord Venus occupies 9th... Do we

not see the foreign connection here in terms of

literary works?///

Definitely! :-) Also, 5th rules intelligence, and the

lord is with intellectual Budha, aspected by Sani

[hard work, patience]

///We may travel for the purpose of business/trade and

would then consider 7th house, along with other

things, to verify this.///

Yes! And, since 7th rules business partners, it

definitely deals with business travel.

One of the reasons why I associate 7th with impact

abroad is because it rules business partners. Rahu in

the 7th gave me a foreign publisher--a foreign

business partner.

In the end, I find that both of us are right. But,

this is because of a lot of factors involved:

* 3rd lord in 10th

* 5th lord in 9th with Budha

* Rahu in the 7th

* 9th house aspected by 9th lord

And so on. I personally feel that all the above

factors contributed.

A long time ago, Tanvir ji of JR Group said that one

reason why I wrote a detective fiction work was

because Guru, who represents truth, was in the 8th

house of secrets--a detective brings out the truth.

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January 7, 2008

Dear Balaji,

///In the end, I find that both of us are right. But,

this is because of a lot of factors involved.///

It pleases me that we have found common ground, dear Balaji :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Monday, January 07, 2008 2:15 PM

Re: Exchange between 7H and 12H

Wendy ji,

///Literary works or long literary production (as

given in HoraSara for instance) is seen from 5th house

whilst publishing, I believe, is seen from 9th (5th

from 5th).///

Yes. But, of course, I have 3rd lord [written

communications] in the 10th [career], so this perhaps

played a part too.

///For you, 5th/12th lord Venus occupies 9th... Do we

not see the foreign connection here in terms of

literary works?///

Definitely! :-) Also, 5th rules intelligence, and the

lord is with intellectual Budha, aspected by Sani

[hard work, patience]

///We may travel for the purpose of business/trade and

would then consider 7th house, along with other

things, to verify this.///

Yes! And, since 7th rules business partners, it

definitely deals with business travel.

One of the reasons why I associate 7th with impact

abroad is because it rules business partners. Rahu in

the 7th gave me a foreign publisher--a foreign

business partner.

In the end, I find that both of us are right. But,

this is because of a lot of factors involved:

* 3rd lord in 10th

* 5th lord in 9th with Budha

* Rahu in the 7th

* 9th house aspected by 9th lord

And so on. I personally feel that all the above

factors contributed.

A long time ago, Tanvir ji of JR Group said that one

reason why I wrote a detective fiction work was

because Guru, who represents truth, was in the 8th

house of secrets--a detective brings out the truth.

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Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

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January 7, 2008

Wendy ji,

///It pleases me that we have found common ground,

dear Balaji :-)///

For this, I have to thank your teaching methods, Wendy

ji! :-)

When I first joined this group, I must admit that I

was not always pleased with the way you gave pointers

in lieu of answers. Only later, when my knowledge

improved, did I realize that you were encouraging me

to come to my own conclusions. This is similar to the

dictum that if you give somebody a fish, you will make

him eat a meal, but if you teach him fishing, you will

help him eat for a lifetime! :-)

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