Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Balaji, //Exactly! For instance, if Kuja and Chandra are both neecha, then, since the mutual dispositors are themselves weak, then there is much suffering.// This surely would not then be NBRY even though the bhanga significator may be in kendra (from Lagna or Moon). As with all yogas we have to make an honest assessment as per the rules of common-sense logic. There may be instances (the most common I think) where a weak NBY is in effect. However I do believe that authentic NBRY (not so common) are capable of extraordinary (auspicious) results...as the term rajayoga implies. I would venture to say that, for you, a mediocre NBY applies due to Mars occupying 12th from Jupiter etc.. Mars can be helpful up to a point, certainly, but would struggle to give results applicable to a rajayoga. I'm sure you would agree that there can be no comparison with the NBRY found in Prabhupada's chart for instance. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating and we know the tremendous (extraordinary) accomplishments of Prabhupada in the area of religion with NBRY in 9th house. He established the International Society for Krishna Consciousness in July 1966... Saturn P/D had just commenced (Saturn exalted in 10th) in sign of neecha Venus. Exalted dasa lord Mercury conjunct neecha Venus in 9th. Bhukti of 12th lord Jupiter denoting his establishment in foreign land/s...before his passing in 1977 he circled the globe fourteen times on lecture tours that took him to six continents. Venus' lordship of 5th (literary works) is testament to the vast number of books he published and distributed world wide during this time...such extraordinary accomplishments! Note neechabhanga Venus conjunct exalted 9th lord in 9th house of publishing, religion (vedas)etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:10 PM Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga Wendy ji, ///As many will know, I have long advocated that cancellation on neecha (neechabhanga) can, at best, indicate mixed results...some good, some bad./// Completely agree! Since I have neecha Guru, I have spent time considering this. My personal observations are: * The neechatva of a graha generally afflicts the houses it rules, all said and done, even if there is NBRY. * If NBRY is present, then it manifests in the periods of the graha that provides NBRY. For instance, I get NBRY because Kuja, who would be uccha in Guru's place, is in a kendra from Lagna. So, Kuja's periods help, Guru's periods don't. To me, Wendy ji, NBRY is like a consolation prize. It's like telling a crying kid, " Ok, so you didn't win the gold medal--here, have this certificate as a consolation prize. " NBRY is like telling me, " Ok, so Guru is neecha, and will hurt the houses he rules and generally make you feel like jumping off a tall building, but don't do that, you will get *SOME* relief from Kuja. Note that the stress is on the word *SOME*. If an uccha graha makes you feel like a million dollars and a neecha graha makes you feel like a tattered dollar, then NBRY makes you feel like a ten dollar note! :-) ///There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the planet causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction)./// Exactly! For instance, if Kuja and Chandra are both neecha, then, since the mutual dispositors are themselves weak, then there is much suffering. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Neena, //The lack of a sanctified marriage would in all probability be alluded to the hopelessly combust 7th lord Saturn. Though theoretically, Saturn attains neechbhanga, it loses all its powers due to combustion and turns more malefic.// This is absolutely correct! Yet the author of the book I quoted recently used this very example to demonstrate the worthlessness of neechabhanga (in general). He failed, as do many, to recognise the conditions that either support or nullify the yoga. This, of course, applies to all yogas. This lack of vision is the root cause of so much misunderstanding regarding the formation and expression of yogas. Certainly the jyotish classics are essential tools in the learning process, but there has to come a time when our eyes are opened to the horoscope itself. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " neenako " <neenako <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:08 PM Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga -- Dear Wendy, Just had a quick look at AL Pacino's chart. A very very interesting chart. The lack of a sanctified marriage would in all probability be alluded to the hopelessly combust 7th lord Saturn. Though theoretically, Saturn attains neechbhanga, it loses all its powers due to combustion and turns more malefic. Its interesting to note how planets have no repreive from combustion. In this case it is in almost degree conjunction with Sun. Regarding the Guru Chandala yoga, as almost everyone agrees, its interpretation should be done cautiously. The name of this yoga sounds so very horrendous, in actual life it may not be so as there are many influences which can dilute its effects. Regards, Neena - In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Yes, I agree...in that the neecha planet needs to be capable of auspscious > results - either by lordship (YogaKaraka) or other potential yoga. > > Again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and, without doubt, my own > experience of JU/RA yoga (for instance) was far removed from the opinions > given by some endeavoring to interpret this yoga. In Rasi, Jupiter, in sign > of exaltation, constitutes GajaKesari yoga from both lagna (and) from Moon; > Is conjunct Rahu in KENDRA and both are associated with exalted Mercury in > TRINE. (nakshatra lord) > > In Navamsha, Rahu has achieved rajayoga status by occupying a TRINE in > conjunction with KENDRA lord whilst Jupiter himself (in navamsha) is > enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga with dispositor Saturn in sign of exaltation. > Perhaps this could simply remain in the realm of hypothesis had I not lived > GU/RA period from Nov 73 - Nov 75...a most (the most) auspiscious time in my > life. > > All the significations of Jupiter flourished (knowledge, religion, guru, > good fortune, great wealth and prosperity, happiness etc) as did the > significations of 3rd/12th owned by Jupiter (in Rasi). Extraordinarily good > (auspiscious) results in foreign land, gain of sprituality, amazing results > in regards to meditation etc (12th). Effortless fulfillment of desires, > initiation into spiritual practices, exceptional loyal servants and so forth > (3rd). > > I had then, as I've always had, the greatest respect for, and the greatest > benefit from Gurus (including Christian priests). I was drawn during that > time to Maharishi (my vedic Guru) and developed a close personal > relationship with my Catholic priest, father Farewell - one of the most holy > men I ever knew. A far cry from the recognised results of GCY that say this > yoga makes the individual an iconoclast, inclined to indulge in socially and > morally unethical activities. > > PS: Athough I honour and respect all bonafide Gurus (Maharishi Parashara, > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, ShantiMayi etc), I have no > such regard for the self-proclaimed psuedo gurus emerging in this present > age. And, of course, those that observe this disdain (for false gurus) are > quick to pin on the label of iconoclast. > > Mind you, in the grand scheme of things, there is a place even for false > gurus...who else could accomodate those that are drawn to false teachings > :-)) > > My fervent hope is that members will use their own common-sense (logic) when > assessing (all) yogas - as they apply to individual horoscopes - rather than > just learning the yogas parrot-fashion and predicting the same results for > one and all. > > PS: I agree totally with the following pasted from: > http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/01/02/stories/1002009a.htm > > **Queries answered > > How does Guru-Chandala Yoga affect day-to-day life and when? Will it apply > also when the combination is in 8th, 9th or 10th? > > G. Chitra Kalyanaraman, Salem-7. > > Weak Jupiter, in conjunction with Saturn or Rahu or Gulika, causes > Guru-Chandala Yoga, making natives bent on momentary gain and material > satisfaction gained somehow without regard for values or conscience. Weak > Lagna and Lagna Lord will aggravate the situation. > > The 7th house represents, friends, business partners, spouse etc. and this > Yoga can harm such features. The Yoga is prominent in the 7th. Rahu or Guru > Mahadasa may bring on the effects. The lordship of Jupiter and his placement > in Rasi or Bhava and the aspects he receives must also be considered in > estimating the effects. > > If Rahu is favourable in Mesha, Rishabha, Kataka, Kanya, or Makara, material > prosperity may not be denied to the native.** > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " neenako " <neenako > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:27 AM > Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga > > > - > Dear Wendy, > > Just adding my bit to the discussion: Every neechabhanga is not a > rajyoga. The planet should be a rajyogkaraka in the first place to be > capable of giving Rajyoga effects on attaining the neechabhanga. > > And ofcourse, though a planet may get neechabhanga it will not be > totally free from the stigma of neecha hood. So its effects will be > mixed in nature. > > Haven't yet gone through Al Pacino's chart. It should be interesting. > Will get back to it soon. > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Balaji, //Kuja's PD starts in a few days. Let's see...// It might be worth taking a look at your annual chart (birthday chart or varshaphal) to see how this year might progress. Your year lord Jupiter is well placed in 9th and munthesh Mars is exalted in 11th. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:56 PM Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga Wendy ji, ///I would venture to say that, for you, a mediocre NBY applies due to Mars occupying 12th from Jupiter etc.. Mars can be helpful up to a point, certainly, but would struggle to give results applicable to a rajayoga./// You are right--Kuja is also in star of Surya, who is at the edge of Meena, and therefore, not very powerful. Also, Kuja's dispositor is neecha, so his power to give a powerful NBRY is bad right from the beginning! From personal experience, believe me, Guru's Bukti--which, thank God, ends in October 2007--has been horrible! Kuja's PD starts in a few days. Let's see... Kuja in Rahu's Bukti gave me a job (in 2005), so Kuja's NBRY, while not very powerful, is still helpful. Of course, since Kuja rules the 11th at Moolatrikona, I got a job and got a hike in salary. Of course, it also gave me a terribly bad tummy problem because of the rulership of the 6th! :-) Of course, then Rahu's Bukti ended--and I lost the job, in Guru's Bukti, and regained it only in November 2005, when Sani's PD started. This, thank God, has been stable--again, Sani gives stability, does he not? I have also experienced first hand that what Sani gives cannot be easily taken away. In Sani's PD (Nov 2005), I got a job. Later, a colleague tried to drag my name into disrepute, intent on causing me harm. But Sani protected me, and the plan backfired--and this colleague himself lost his job for trying to tarnish me! ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Neena, Thank you Neena, it's good to see you back on the list :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " neenako " <neenako <jyotish-vidya > Friday, May 04, 2007 11:12 AM Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga - Dear Wendy, How beautifully you have explained the concept of retrogression and what can be expected of a retrograde planet! I am sure, like me, all other members of the list must be gaining so much from your posts on varied subjects. The movement of a planet towards its point of exaltation makes its stronger than when it is moving towards its debilitation. It is the 'Aarohi " and the 'Avarohi " avastha. Thank you very much and God bless you, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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