Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that the horoscope of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to locate - an internet search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " ravindramani " <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear Mrs. Wendy, Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: KS Krishnamurti DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 12.11 PM (1211 hours) 10N48 79E15 Tamil Nadu, India. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ============================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Why did KSK (KP) decide to go with the Placidus House system? As per his horoscope?? - sunil nair jyotish-vidya Friday, January 04, 2008 2:59 PM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Hare ramakrishna, dear respected bhaskar ji . Yes even without going to my archives i can say this chart what u and sri raveendra mani is saying is correct . He born in abhijeet muhurtha ,abhijit Nakshatra and even lagna degree was also in abhijit according to lahiri .here i would like to think the indian independence chart which was on abhijit muhurtha . Kp system i dont know what is degrees .No doubt he was a proponent of a system which can last for many centuries . here i wanted to pin point the the importance of abhijit and so is the mail . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > The Birth Details of this Great Astrologer as given > by Shri Ravindramaniji is absoloutely right. > The name of the Birth place is Thiruvaiyaru . > It was a Sunday, LMT was 11.58.00 Abhijit Muhurtha > in Shravan Nakshatra, Shuklapaksha asthami, Vishti > Karana and Shoola Yoga. > If deduction of Ayanamsha is made by 22.29.00 then > the Ascendant must fall in Capricorn 11 degrees. > Moon would be 11.52 degrees > Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.Because > I am having these details written from somewhere > and not made the chart myself. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > jyotishvidya@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that the > horoscope > > of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to locate - an > internet > > search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been looking in > the wrong > > places? > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " ravindramani " ravindramani@ > > jyotish-vidya > > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: > > > > KS Krishnamurti > > DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 > > 12.11 PM (1211 hours) > > 10N48 79E15 > > Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > ============================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Respected Bhaskrji,Namaskar, How r u sir?might be well,i hope so. wishes for a better & happy new-2008.May Lord Jagannath bless u & ur family members a healthy,long & prosporus years ahead. Hope u remember me.Reading regularly ur hardcore,mind blowing analysis & debates etc daily in all the groups in which i am a member.Always remebering u.Think to wish for new year in ur persoanal id,but was afraid,u may dislike. Best wishes for new & fruitful debates in astrology. Koi bhul chuk ho to chote bhai samajke maf kardijiye ga. regards manoj kar sambalpur,orissa cell-9437158222 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Anyone is free to go to any Hotel of his choice where he finds the Boarding best as per his requirements. Same way in Astrology every one searches for the best way he can read his chart. For some it is Normal Natal Chart. for some it is Moon Chart. For some it is Parashari bhav Chalit and yet for others it is Placidus. House divisions, Ayanamshas, methods of prognostications are many and to each his own. Why or how is not to be questioned, as long as one is able to seek and reach the truth for which he has embarked upon. because the why and hows can run into pages and is a matter of speculation for the major part of it. Medicine does not matter. The Cure does. Method does not matter. Healing does. The approach does not matter. Reachingand realising the end does. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Why did KSK (KP) decide to go with the Placidus House system? As per his horoscope?? > - > sunil nair > jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 04, 2008 2:59 PM > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear respected bhaskar ji . > > Yes even without going to my archives i can say this chart what u and > sri raveendra mani is saying is correct . > > He born in abhijeet muhurtha ,abhijit Nakshatra and even lagna degree > was also in abhijit according to lahiri .here i would like to think the > indian independence chart which was on abhijit muhurtha . > > Kp system i dont know what is degrees .No doubt he was a proponent of a > system which can last for many centuries . > > here i wanted to pin point the the importance of abhijit and so is the > mail . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > The Birth Details of this Great Astrologer as given > > by Shri Ravindramaniji is absoloutely right. > > The name of the Birth place is Thiruvaiyaru . > > It was a Sunday, LMT was 11.58.00 Abhijit Muhurtha > > in Shravan Nakshatra, Shuklapaksha asthami, Vishti > > Karana and Shoola Yoga. > > If deduction of Ayanamsha is made by 22.29.00 then > > the Ascendant must fall in Capricorn 11 degrees. > > Moon would be 11.52 degrees > > Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.Because > > I am having these details written from somewhere > > and not made the chart myself. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > jyotishvidya@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that the > > horoscope > > > of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to locate - an > > internet > > > search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been looking in > > the wrong > > > places? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " ravindramani " ravindramani@ > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM > > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: > > > > > > KS Krishnamurti > > > DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 > > > 12.11 PM (1211 hours) > > > 10N48 79E15 > > > Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thank u bhaskarji. regards/manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Manojji, Namaskaar, You are real affectionate person. Thank You for the New Year wishes. I reciprocate the same. I too look forward to meaningful debates on various subjects of this Divine science in the coming months. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: > > Respected Bhaskrji,Namaskar, > > How r u sir?might be well,i hope so. > > wishes for a better & happy new-2008.May Lord Jagannath bless u & ur family members a healthy,long & prosporus years ahead. > > Hope u remember me.Reading regularly ur hardcore,mind blowing analysis & debates etc daily in all the groups in which i am a member.Always remebering u.Think to wish for new year in ur persoanal id,but was afraid,u may dislike. > > Best wishes for new & fruitful debates in astrology. > > Koi bhul chuk ho to chote bhai samajke maf kardijiye ga. > > regards > manoj kar > sambalpur,orissa > cell-9437158222 > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Anyone is free to go to any Hotel of his choice > where he finds the Boarding best as per his requirements. > Same way in Astrology every one searches for the best way > he can read his chart. For some it is Normal > Natal Chart. for some it is Moon Chart. For some > it is Parashari bhav Chalit and yet for > others it is Placidus. House divisions, Ayanamshas, > methods of prognostications are many and to each his > own. Why or how is not to be questioned, as > long as one is able to seek and reach the truth for > which he has embarked upon. because the why and hows > can run into pages and is a matter of speculation > for the major part of it. > > Medicine does not matter. The Cure does. > Method does not matter. Healing does. > The approach does not matter. > Reachingand realising the end does. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi@> > wrote: > > > > Why did KSK (KP) decide to go with the Placidus House system? As > per his horoscope?? > > - > > sunil nair > > jyotish-vidya > > Friday, January 04, 2008 2:59 PM > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear respected bhaskar ji . > > > > Yes even without going to my archives i can say this chart what > u and > > sri raveendra mani is saying is correct . > > > > He born in abhijeet muhurtha ,abhijit Nakshatra and even lagna > degree > > was also in abhijit according to lahiri .here i would like to > think the > > indian independence chart which was on abhijit muhurtha . > > > > Kp system i dont know what is degrees .No doubt he was a > proponent of a > > system which can last for many centuries . > > > > here i wanted to pin point the the importance of abhijit and so > is the > > mail . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > > > The Birth Details of this Great Astrologer as given > > > by Shri Ravindramaniji is absoloutely right. > > > The name of the Birth place is Thiruvaiyaru . > > > It was a Sunday, LMT was 11.58.00 Abhijit Muhurtha > > > in Shravan Nakshatra, Shuklapaksha asthami, Vishti > > > Karana and Shoola Yoga. > > > If deduction of Ayanamsha is made by 22.29.00 then > > > the Ascendant must fall in Capricorn 11 degrees. > > > Moon would be 11.52 degrees > > > Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.Because > > > I am having these details written from somewhere > > > and not made the chart myself. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > jyotishvidya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that > the > > > horoscope > > > > of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to > locate - an > > > internet > > > > search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been > looking in > > > the wrong > > > > places? > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " ravindramani " ravindramani@ > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM > > > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > > > Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: > > > > > > > > KS Krishnamurti > > > > DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 > > > > 12.11 PM (1211 hours) > > > > 10N48 79E15 > > > > Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thanks for an impressive answer, Sir. But I was not questioning his choice or methods which I know work very well. My question was: Are there any indications in KSK's chart which could indicate his preference and choice of a house division which was (perhaps still is) popularly used by tropical or western astrology. He also used the cusp as the entry point of the house as opposed to using it as house-mid as preferred by jyotishis. - Bhaskar jyotish-vidya Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:40 AM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Anyone is free to go to any Hotel of his choice where he finds the Boarding best as per his requirements. Same way in Astrology every one searches for the best way he can read his chart. For some it is Normal Natal Chart. for some it is Moon Chart. For some it is Parashari bhav Chalit and yet for others it is Placidus. House divisions, Ayanamshas, methods of prognostications are many and to each his own. Why or how is not to be questioned, as long as one is able to seek and reach the truth for which he has embarked upon. because the why and hows can run into pages and is a matter of speculation for the major part of it. Medicine does not matter. The Cure does. Method does not matter. Healing does. The approach does not matter. Reachingand realising the end does. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Why did KSK (KP) decide to go with the Placidus House system? As per his horoscope?? > - > sunil nair > jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 04, 2008 2:59 PM > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear respected bhaskar ji . > > Yes even without going to my archives i can say this chart what u and > sri raveendra mani is saying is correct . > > He born in abhijeet muhurtha ,abhijit Nakshatra and even lagna degree > was also in abhijit according to lahiri .here i would like to think the > indian independence chart which was on abhijit muhurtha . > > Kp system i dont know what is degrees .No doubt he was a proponent of a > system which can last for many centuries . > > here i wanted to pin point the the importance of abhijit and so is the > mail . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > The Birth Details of this Great Astrologer as given > > by Shri Ravindramaniji is absoloutely right. > > The name of the Birth place is Thiruvaiyaru . > > It was a Sunday, LMT was 11.58.00 Abhijit Muhurtha > > in Shravan Nakshatra, Shuklapaksha asthami, Vishti > > Karana and Shoola Yoga. > > If deduction of Ayanamsha is made by 22.29.00 then > > the Ascendant must fall in Capricorn 11 degrees. > > Moon would be 11.52 degrees > > Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.Because > > I am having these details written from somewhere > > and not made the chart myself. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > jyotishvidya@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that the > > horoscope > > > of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to locate - an > > internet > > > search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been looking in > > the wrong > > > places? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " ravindramani " ravindramani@ > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM > > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: > > > > > > KS Krishnamurti > > > DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 > > > 12.11 PM (1211 hours) > > > 10N48 79E15 > > > Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Mr. Bhaskar, Thanks for sharing your views and experiences, which were very much appreciated and I can fully understand if you do not wish to discuss further. Perhaps some other member may wish to answer my question which, just to avoid confusing any reader, was not to question KSK's methods or approach or of any other individual astrologer or groups of astrologers. Since there are at least two large schools of thought in astrology (western/tropical and jyotish), I find it interesting when a prominent astrologer like KSK tries to think out of the box and tries to utilize elements of both main-stream approaches. Hence the question was asked. I think other similar examples will include Mr. Manik Chand Jain and Richard Houk who utilized a similar approach (utilizing both systems). I am sure there would be many more lesser known astrologers who did the same. - Bhaskar jyotish-vidya Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:29 PM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Well if You know that it works very well,then probably You could be able to answer this better . I really would not know how to check in anyones chart , what factors could cause one to make choice of House divisions in his study of astrology. Placidus itself is the house division which uses the mid point as entry point for each Cusp, as opposed to using it as house-mid, as mentioned by You. I personally feel that one could use seperate approaches on various occasions, while keeping one favourite approach as the Base, for instance I myself use the Mid point as entry point,as base, and at times also use Natal Chart, as well as Moon Chart too, and transits and aspects I use both Indian as well as western. But just for information sake let me mention that all the good Traditional astrologers, use the Parashari Bhava Chalit, or the Cuspal Chart, from which they are able to give the best predictions, and in this chart, there may be movement of the planets opposed to the positions in the Natal Chart. I have had the good fortune to meet such astrologers, at a time when I did not believe in Bhava Chalit, but now a strong advocator of the same. We should cease to dfiscuss anymore on this now, since this is a Traditional Vedic Forum and we do not wish to confuse the newcomers here. kind regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Thanks for an impressive answer, Sir. But I was not questioning his choice or methods which I know work very well. > My question was: Are there any indications in KSK's chart which could indicate his preference and choice of a house division which was (perhaps still is) popularly used by tropical or western astrology. He also used the cusp as the entry point of the house as opposed to using it as house-mid as preferred by jyotishis. > - > Bhaskar > jyotish-vidya > Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:40 AM > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > Anyone is free to go to any Hotel of his choice > where he finds the Boarding best as per his requirements. > Same way in Astrology every one searches for the best way > he can read his chart. For some it is Normal > Natal Chart. for some it is Moon Chart. For some > it is Parashari bhav Chalit and yet for > others it is Placidus. House divisions, Ayanamshas, > methods of prognostications are many and to each his > own. Why or how is not to be questioned, as > long as one is able to seek and reach the truth for > which he has embarked upon. because the why and hows > can run into pages and is a matter of speculation > for the major part of it. > > Medicine does not matter. The Cure does. > Method does not matter. Healing does. > The approach does not matter. > Reachingand realising the end does. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi@> > wrote: > > > > Why did KSK (KP) decide to go with the Placidus House system? As > per his horoscope?? > > - > > sunil nair > > jyotish-vidya > > Friday, January 04, 2008 2:59 PM > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear respected bhaskar ji . > > > > Yes even without going to my archives i can say this chart what > u and > > sri raveendra mani is saying is correct . > > > > He born in abhijeet muhurtha ,abhijit Nakshatra and even lagna > degree > > was also in abhijit according to lahiri .here i would like to > think the > > indian independence chart which was on abhijit muhurtha . > > > > Kp system i dont know what is degrees .No doubt he was a > proponent of a > > system which can last for many centuries . > > > > here i wanted to pin point the the importance of abhijit and so > is the > > mail . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > > > The Birth Details of this Great Astrologer as given > > > by Shri Ravindramaniji is absoloutely right. > > > The name of the Birth place is Thiruvaiyaru . > > > It was a Sunday, LMT was 11.58.00 Abhijit Muhurtha > > > in Shravan Nakshatra, Shuklapaksha asthami, Vishti > > > Karana and Shoola Yoga. > > > If deduction of Ayanamsha is made by 22.29.00 then > > > the Ascendant must fall in Capricorn 11 degrees. > > > Moon would be 11.52 degrees > > > Please correct me if I am wrong somewhere.Because > > > I am having these details written from somewhere > > > and not made the chart myself. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > jyotishvidya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for that! I've been quite surprised to find that > the > > > horoscope > > > > of such a high profile astrologer has been so hard to > locate - an > > > internet > > > > search (for me) has revealed little. Perhaps I've been > looking in > > > the wrong > > > > places? > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " ravindramani " ravindramani@ > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Friday, January 04, 2008 10:33 PM > > > > Re: K.S. Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > > > Here is the data which I have noted in my note book: > > > > > > > > KS Krishnamurti > > > > DOB 1-11-1908 1st November 1908 > > > > 12.11 PM (1211 hours) > > > > 10N48 79E15 > > > > Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Dear jyotishi (?) and All, I would very much like to have access to some biographical data in order to satisfy myself as to the accuracy of KSK's chart. Not that I'm doubting those who have confirmed the details given by Ravindramani. But, for my own satisfaction, I would like to have some information about the life of this astrologer before proceeding with the chart. Perhaps if we take a good look at the bhavas/grahas concerned with astrology - in particular, Vedic astrology (jyotish) - the reasons behind this blending of the two systems (Western/Vedic) should become clear. I do know that KSK, like myself, studied Western astrology for some time and was quite convinced that the Placidus system of house division was superior to both the Vedic system and any other Western house system. However, he was not so enamoured with the Western predictive techniques which amounted to little more than a psychological profile, and, after much research, he developed his own system based on the placidus houses along with the use of nakshatra lords/sub-lords to determine the results due to these houses. Like jyotishi, I too am not here to judge the effectiveness of KP, but simply to point out the difference between Vedic and KP astrology. The Vedic natal horoscope (Janma Kundali) is based on the premise that, at the time of birth (the time of creation), the navagrahas are recreated as a new entity...the immortality of the Gods who drank of the divine nectar is seen expressed in fullness each time an entity is born... " know ye not that ye are gods " ; Christ said. We're also taught that the twelve signs of the zodiac manifest as the twelve bhavas i.e; The whole sign/rasi rising above the horizon, at the time of birth, becomes the first bhava (whole sign, whole bhava). This is an act of creation as surely as our own birth and is the basic premise of Vedic astrology. I think we can say that KP, and other systems that diverge from this basic premise, can no longer be termed Vedic astrology even though they may employ many Vedic principles. I hope members will understand that I'm not speaking against any system, just trying to clarify the difference between Vedic astrology and others. One of the things that impressed me with the new (internet) Astrological magazine was the statement that it was; " THE FIRST KP AND VEDIC ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE PUBLISHED IN INTERNET " Because of this clear distinction it has my full support... As this mail is now getting rather long, and I have things to attend to away from the computer, it might be best to take a look at the role the bhavas/grahas play in determining what a native's leaning may be (in terms of astrology) at a later time. Suffice it to say, for now, that Budha, Guru and 5th/9th bhavas (in particular) need to be looked at very carefully. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:44 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Mr. Bhaskar, Thanks for sharing your views and experiences, which were very much appreciated and I can fully understand if you do not wish to discuss further. Perhaps some other member may wish to answer my question which, just to avoid confusing any reader, was not to question KSK's methods or approach or of any other individual astrologer or groups of astrologers. Since there are at least two large schools of thought in astrology (western/tropical and jyotish), I find it interesting when a prominent astrologer like KSK tries to think out of the box and tries to utilize elements of both main-stream approaches. Hence the question was asked. I think other similar examples will include Mr. Manik Chand Jain and Richard Houk who utilized a similar approach (utilizing both systems). I am sure there would be many more lesser known astrologers who did the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Dear Wendy, Thank you for your posting. My name is Manas (responding to your ?)! Your posting has many important items that must be paid heed to! If astrology/Jyotish were a discipline that had very concrete, black and white rules as some of its scriptural texts tend to imply, then there would not be any discussion, doubts, and what Jyotish scriptures/classical texts point out as Uhapoha! A need for discussion, preferably internal, a weighting and weighing of factors and rules and suchlike. And as long as things are not concrete and black and white -- questions must be asked and what passes as definite and definitive must be questioned! How else shall we grow? Those who want to, that is ...! Manas - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:07 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear jyotishi (?) and All, I would very much like to have access to some biographical data in order to satisfy myself as to the accuracy of KSK's chart. Not that I'm doubting those who have confirmed the details given by Ravindramani. But, for my own satisfaction, I would like to have some information about the life of this astrologer before proceeding with the chart. Perhaps if we take a good look at the bhavas/grahas concerned with astrology - in particular, Vedic astrology (jyotish) - the reasons behind this blending of the two systems (Western/Vedic) should become clear. I do know that KSK, like myself, studied Western astrology for some time and was quite convinced that the Placidus system of house division was superior to both the Vedic system and any other Western house system. However, he was not so enamoured with the Western predictive techniques which amounted to little more than a psychological profile, and, after much research, he developed his own system based on the placidus houses along with the use of nakshatra lords/sub-lords to determine the results due to these houses. Like jyotishi, I too am not here to judge the effectiveness of KP, but simply to point out the difference between Vedic and KP astrology. The Vedic natal horoscope (Janma Kundali) is based on the premise that, at the time of birth (the time of creation), the navagrahas are recreated as a new entity...the immortality of the Gods who drank of the divine nectar is seen expressed in fullness each time an entity is born... " know ye not that ye are gods " ; Christ said. We're also taught that the twelve signs of the zodiac manifest as the twelve bhavas i.e; The whole sign/rasi rising above the horizon, at the time of birth, becomes the first bhava (whole sign, whole bhava). This is an act of creation as surely as our own birth and is the basic premise of Vedic astrology. I think we can say that KP, and other systems that diverge from this basic premise, can no longer be termed Vedic astrology even though they may employ many Vedic principles. I hope members will understand that I'm not speaking against any system, just trying to clarify the difference between Vedic astrology and others. One of the things that impressed me with the new (internet) Astrological magazine was the statement that it was; " THE FIRST KP AND VEDIC ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE PUBLISHED IN INTERNET " Because of this clear distinction it has my full support... As this mail is now getting rather long, and I have things to attend to away from the computer, it might be best to take a look at the role the bhavas/grahas play in determining what a native's leaning may be (in terms of astrology) at a later time. Suffice it to say, for now, that Budha, Guru and 5th/9th bhavas (in particular) need to be looked at very carefully. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:44 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Mr. Bhaskar, Thanks for sharing your views and experiences, which were very much appreciated and I can fully understand if you do not wish to discuss further. Perhaps some other member may wish to answer my question which, just to avoid confusing any reader, was not to question KSK's methods or approach or of any other individual astrologer or groups of astrologers. Since there are at least two large schools of thought in astrology (western/tropical and jyotish), I find it interesting when a prominent astrologer like KSK tries to think out of the box and tries to utilize elements of both main-stream approaches. Hence the question was asked. I think other similar examples will include Mr. Manik Chand Jain and Richard Houk who utilized a similar approach (utilizing both systems). I am sure there would be many more lesser known astrologers who did the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Respected Gurujis, After reading the debates,i have a question to ask that in my chat jupiter,mercury & sun are in 5th house in the house of virgo.So can i go & learn astrology. regards manoj kar jyotishi <jyotishi wrote: Dear Wendy, Thank you for your posting. My name is Manas (responding to your ?)! Your posting has many important items that must be paid heed to! If astrology/Jyotish were a discipline that had very concrete, black and white rules as some of its scriptural texts tend to imply, then there would not be any discussion, doubts, and what Jyotish scriptures/classical texts point out as Uhapoha! A need for discussion, preferably internal, a weighting and weighing of factors and rules and suchlike. And as long as things are not concrete and black and white -- questions must be asked and what passes as definite and definitive must be questioned! How else shall we grow? Those who want to, that is ...! Manas - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:07 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear jyotishi (?) and All, I would very much like to have access to some biographical data in order to satisfy myself as to the accuracy of KSK's chart. Not that I'm doubting those who have confirmed the details given by Ravindramani. But, for my own satisfaction, I would like to have some information about the life of this astrologer before proceeding with the chart. Perhaps if we take a good look at the bhavas/grahas concerned with astrology - in particular, Vedic astrology (jyotish) - the reasons behind this blending of the two systems (Western/Vedic) should become clear. I do know that KSK, like myself, studied Western astrology for some time and was quite convinced that the Placidus system of house division was superior to both the Vedic system and any other Western house system. However, he was not so enamoured with the Western predictive techniques which amounted to little more than a psychological profile, and, after much research, he developed his own system based on the placidus houses along with the use of nakshatra lords/sub-lords to determine the results due to these houses. Like jyotishi, I too am not here to judge the effectiveness of KP, but simply to point out the difference between Vedic and KP astrology. The Vedic natal horoscope (Janma Kundali) is based on the premise that, at the time of birth (the time of creation), the navagrahas are recreated as a new entity...the immortality of the Gods who drank of the divine nectar is seen expressed in fullness each time an entity is born... " know ye not that ye are gods " ; Christ said. We're also taught that the twelve signs of the zodiac manifest as the twelve bhavas i.e; The whole sign/rasi rising above the horizon, at the time of birth, becomes the first bhava (whole sign, whole bhava). This is an act of creation as surely as our own birth and is the basic premise of Vedic astrology. I think we can say that KP, and other systems that diverge from this basic premise, can no longer be termed Vedic astrology even though they may employ many Vedic principles. I hope members will understand that I'm not speaking against any system, just trying to clarify the difference between Vedic astrology and others. One of the things that impressed me with the new (internet) Astrological magazine was the statement that it was; " THE FIRST KP AND VEDIC ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE PUBLISHED IN INTERNET " Because of this clear distinction it has my full support... As this mail is now getting rather long, and I have things to attend to away from the computer, it might be best to take a look at the role the bhavas/grahas play in determining what a native's leaning may be (in terms of astrology) at a later time. Suffice it to say, for now, that Budha, Guru and 5th/9th bhavas (in particular) need to be looked at very carefully. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:44 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Mr. Bhaskar, Thanks for sharing your views and experiences, which were very much appreciated and I can fully understand if you do not wish to discuss further. Perhaps some other member may wish to answer my question which, just to avoid confusing any reader, was not to question KSK's methods or approach or of any other individual astrologer or groups of astrologers. Since there are at least two large schools of thought in astrology (western/tropical and jyotish), I find it interesting when a prominent astrologer like KSK tries to think out of the box and tries to utilize elements of both main-stream approaches. Hence the question was asked. I think other similar examples will include Mr. Manik Chand Jain and Richard Houk who utilized a similar approach (utilizing both systems). I am sure there would be many more lesser known astrologers who did the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Manas, ///And as long as things are not concrete and black and white -- questions must be asked and what passes as definite and definitive must be questioned!/// I'm not exactly sure what you're implying in (above) statement? However, the sages have themselves suggested the need for common-sense/logic (discrimination) in applying the dictums of jyotish. B.V. Raman also states that: " In applying the rules contained in astrological books to practical horoscopes one must definitely bear in mind that they are merely for his guidance. In addition to knowledge of astrology, one must also exercise discretion and common sense coupled, of course, with a certain amount of intuition. " Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:28 PM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear Wendy, Thank you for your posting. My name is Manas (responding to your ?)! Your posting has many important items that must be paid heed to! If astrology/Jyotish were a discipline that had very concrete, black and white rules as some of its scriptural texts tend to imply, then there would not be any discussion, doubts, and what Jyotish scriptures/classical texts point out as Uhapoha! A need for discussion, preferably internal, a weighting and weighing of factors and rules and suchlike. And as long as things are not concrete and black and white -- questions must be asked and what passes as definite and definitive must be questioned! How else shall we grow? Those who want to, that is ...! Manas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, ///Shall try to put the sketch of Prof Ksks Life datewise, with whatever info. am able to get hands at, in a day or two./// Thank you! I would appreciate that... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:12 PM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear Mrs. Wendy, Of course the systems and approach of KP and Vedic Traditional Astrology are quite apart,in the context of House divisions and use of Subs which are actually the antar and pratyantar dasha Lords only , but named as Sub Lord in. I am trying my best to move away from this subject on this Forum, so that I remain free from any reproach,which is why I put an end to my conversation in last mail. Shall try to put the sketch of Prof Ksks Life datewise, with whatever info. am able to get hands at, in a day or two. I have personally never studied his Chart. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, ///We should cease to dfiscuss anymore on this now, since this is a Traditional Vedic Forum and we do not wish to confuse the newcomers here./// Unfortunately I had failed to see this at the end of your post. Now that I have, I'd like to say that perhaps some discussions may in fact be beneficial in distinguishing what is Vedic astrology and what is not, don't you agree? ///But just for information sake let me mention that all the good Traditional astrologers, use the Parashari Bhava Chalit, or the Cuspal Chart, from which they are able to give the best predictions, and in this chart, there may be movement of the planets opposed to the positions in the Natal Chart./// To the best of my knowledge, the Rasi Chart (Natal Chart/Janma Kundali), consisting of whole sign/whole bhava is read in conjunction with (either) the divisional charts (or) the special lagnas (bhava, hora and ghatik). At no time are the vargas (divisionals) consulted as stand-alone horoscopes, nor likewise, are the special lagnas used in place of Rasi...in conjunction with (only)! It is further my understanding (learned members might comment on this if they wish) that one uses either Rasi along with vargas (or) Rasi along with special lagnas. PS: There are several different bhava charts in vogue. What I refer to is the Bhava lagna presented here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch5.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:29 AM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Well if You know that it works very well,then probably You could be able to answer this better . I really would not know how to check in anyones chart , what factors could cause one to make choice of House divisions in his study of astrology. Placidus itself is the house division which uses the mid point as entry point for each Cusp, as opposed to using it as house-mid, as mentioned by You. I personally feel that one could use seperate approaches on various occasions, while keeping one favourite approach as the Base, for instance I myself use the Mid point as entry point,as base, and at times also use Natal Chart, as well as Moon Chart too, and transits and aspects I use both Indian as well as western. But just for information sake let me mention that all the good Traditional astrologers, use the Parashari Bhava Chalit, or the Cuspal Chart, from which they are able to give the best predictions, and in this chart, there may be movement of the planets opposed to the positions in the Natal Chart. I have had the good fortune to meet such astrologers, at a time when I did not believe in Bhava Chalit, but now a strong advocator of the same. We should cease to dfiscuss anymore on this now, since this is a Traditional Vedic Forum and we do not wish to confuse the newcomers here. kind regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Manoj, I do not have your horoscope... What I recommend is that you learn all you can about the bhavas/grahas so you can make your own judgement :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:50 PM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Respected Gurujis, After reading the debates,i have a question to ask that in my chat jupiter,mercury & sun are in 5th house in the house of virgo.So can i go & learn astrology. regards manoj kar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Respected Wendyji,Namaskar First of wishes for a happy & better new year-2008 to u & all the members. Madam, My details- DOB-7th Oct 1969 POB-Sambalpur,orissa TOB-08.04 pm ( tuesday) regards manoj kar Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Manoj, I do not have your horoscope... What I recommend is that you learn all you can about the bhavas/grahas so you can make your own judgement :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:50 PM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Respected Gurujis, After reading the debates,i have a question to ask that in my chat jupiter,mercury & sun are in 5th house in the house of virgo.So can i go & learn astrology. regards manoj kar Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, Yes indeed, I do agree! I think it becomes almost second nature to note the position of planets in relation to Moon... We do this almost subconsciously whenever we look at a chart :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " ravindramani " <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 07, 2008 2:13 PM Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Dear Mrs. Wendy, I observe the traditional astrologers always examine first the Rasi chart and then from Moon for any given signification which is under consideration. Then they proceed to the Divisional Charts to examine the same issue. Now they modify their conclusions. I personally follow this method whenever I analyze a chart for any signification. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dear Manoj, I've just now managed to have a quick look at your chart and, although I don't encourage readings on public forums, I will say that, with 9th lord in sign of debilitation whilst combust Jupiter occupies house of Grt.En., progress in Vedic astrology would require a lot of hard work and determination on your part... Saturn, owning 9th/10th whilst occupying 9th from Moon, is an important planet for you. His debilitation does not bode well in terms of career satisfaction (10th); solutions to problems (9th) difficult to find etc.. I would suggest strengthening Saturn to improve these areas of your life. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 07, 2008 1:34 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Respected Wendyji,Namaskar First of wishes for a happy & better new year-2008 to u & all the members. Madam, My details- DOB-7th Oct 1969 POB-Sambalpur,orissa TOB-08.04 pm ( tuesday) regards manoj kar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Respected Wendyji,Namaskar Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn. regards manoj kar Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Manoj, I've just now managed to have a quick look at your chart and, although I don't encourage readings on public forums, I will say that, with 9th lord in sign of debilitation whilst combust Jupiter occupies house of Grt.En., progress in Vedic astrology would require a lot of hard work and determination on your part... Saturn, owning 9th/10th whilst occupying 9th from Moon, is an important planet for you. His debilitation does not bode well in terms of career satisfaction (10th); solutions to problems (9th) difficult to find etc.. I would suggest strengthening Saturn to improve these areas of your life. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 07, 2008 1:34 AM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Respected Wendyji,Namaskar First of wishes for a happy & better new year-2008 to u & all the members. Madam, My details- DOB-7th Oct 1969 POB-Sambalpur,orissa TOB-08.04 pm ( tuesday) regards manoj kar 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Dear Manoj, Saturn mantra (recited with devotion) would be good. http://www.jamesbraha.com/saturn_mantra.html Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti Respected Wendyji,Namaskar Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn. regards manoj kar E-mail message checked by Internet Security (5.5.0.119) Database version: 5.08930 http://www.pctools.com/Internet-Security/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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