Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Dear Swamy, Thanks a ton for such a detailed answer. My question stemmed out while I was going through the same aspect in any chart, that the lagna lord is benefical irrespective who it is and where he is placed. Therefore probably it is the case that they disregard a Kuja Dosha in case Mars happens to be a lagna lord or even yogakarak. Wanted to merely categorise whether such a person would normally be highly materialisitic(Saturn) and since slowness(mandha) is attriuted to Saturn, as a natural feature would slow down/ afflict the matters of the houses he is posited in. Eg. In fourth house I hv seen in my personal experience to slow down matters related to real estate, education and to some extent relationship with mother(But more prominently when Saturn is more powerful, may be during a Sade Sati). So was curious to know when Saturn is TERMED good(As a Lagna lord or Yogakarak). Since for the above case it also gives a Mahapurusha Yoga.And further for Aquarius lagna Saturn becomes exalted in the Bhagya sthana. For eg. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. So this where it all started! :-) Yes, as you rightly mentioned there is a whole lot to it. Not merely saturn in X house. There has to be a wholistic approach. Going further, I had a general question. Kalyana Varma's Saravali says that Saturn or Mars in CANCER is not good from the perspective of general happiness. So was this the deduction because Cancer becomes the fourth house from the natural zodiac?. Therefore should this be the interpretation? What would be according to you the obvious choice? Best Regards, Sripathi --- muthukumaraswamydesigar <muthukumaraswamydesigar wrote: > Dear Sripathi, > > As a general rule, lagna lord becomes auspicious for > a chart; that > his position in the most powerful angle would prove > to be good. > What could be the indications? The individual would > become widely > known and famous. He gets paternal happiness. The > government would > honor him. He prospers in his pursuits. Another > indication of this > placement is " self-earnings " . Now his status is > exalted. > Obviously, the significations are going to be > manifest strongly and > favorably. This is purely a theoretical situation. > What happens in > actual application? > > Your preliminary question and the application of > this simple > principle in a chart gives sleepless nights for a > sincere student of > astrology. Why? The actual results depend on number > of other > factors. > > What is the lagna? Whether it is movable or fixed or > common? The > different lagna lords, based on the above category > of signs, in 10th > house going to give different results. Whether this > lagna lord is a > natural malefic or a benefic? Saturn is a natural > malefic first, > his exalted status in a Kendra is not a desirable > one in regard to > health during the sub-period of a malefic and the > transits are > adverse, if the other factors in regard to health > are not strong in > a chart. > > Certain other factors, which are to be considered in > this regard, > are: > > What is the other lordship for lagna lord? What is > the condition of > the dispositor? Merely the lagna lord exalted in > 10th house is not > going to help. Who are all influencing him? What > are the > conjunctions? In which constellation he is placed? > What is the > relationship in the instant chart between the > constellation lord and > the lagna lord? One of my observations is that the > lagna lord > placed in a constellation of a benefic (natural) > planet shows a self- > made man. > > A planet placed in a house is going to influence his > opposite > house. Hence he is bound to give the results > towards that house > also besides his placement. In the case of Saturn, > he is going to > influence two more houses too. After all, any > result is going to > manifest only during the dasha of a planet > concerned, so the dasha > scheme is also going to play its own role. At what > age the > individual enjoys the maha dasha of that exalted > lord in the 10th > house. > > No planet is absolutely good or absolutely bad in a > chart. So far > as the Taurus lagna is concerned, Saturn rules not > only the trinal > 9th but also the angular 10th. He is a powerful > Raja yoga karaka > for this lagna because the 9th house is the > strongest trine, and the > 10th house is a strongest angle. > > Hope this helps you to some extent. > > Swamy. > > *** Respected Members, I have a few queries > regarding exalted lagna > lord in Karma. May bevery preliminary, but would > greatly assist me > in my learning. Would an exalted Saturn behave in > distinct (opposite > may be!) ways for a Capricorn and Aquarius > ascendant, since they are > the negative and positive signs of Saturn?It is said > that the lagna > lord sort of robs off the goodness of the house > where he is posited, > for self. Therefore in the above case would it mean > for a Capricorn > Asc(where Saturn is exalted in 10th, Karma), the > natives deeds would > be for own benefit? Would Saturn still be considered > harmful in the > event he is a yogakarak (Eg. Taurus ascendant) Best > Regards, > Sripathi*** > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Dear Sripathi and Swamy, Hopefully you won't mind if I add a little here :-) //Would a exalted Saturn behave in distinct(opposite may be!) ways for a Capricorn and Aquarius ascendant, since they are the negative and positive signs of Saturn?// As per Parashara, Saturn is classed as neutral for Capricorn lagna...neither very favourable nor very adverse. This is due to Saturn's (moolatrikona) lordship of 2nd house. Parashara states that, for Capricorn, Saturn will not be a killer of his own but can reveal killing powers if he joins other functional malefics (Jupiter, Mars or Moon). In broader terms this can simply indicate difficulties generally. For Aquarius, Saturn is classed as auspicious due to his (moolatrikona) lordship of lagna... http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Respected Mam, Thanks for your valuable inputs. Now it really makes sense to me abt the positiveness and negativeness of each sign!. And as to why a moolatrikona is considered stronger than swakshetra and exaltation. Going by what you mentioned, for my understanding, Has Saturn been termed neutral here ( For Capricorn Asc )since he is also the lord of 2nd (Marakasthana) and that the lagna lord cannot be bad (I mean as in a killer!)? With reference to chapter 34 of BPHS; http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm Each ascendant has a killer(Maraka). In most cases they are the lords of the 2nd. BPHS mentions Thanu Bhava and kalathra bhava to indicate death. But then why would Mars be a killer for Taurus Asc if this rule holds? Should not the 12th house be taken since it indicates one's own death.? Best Regards, Sripathi --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Sripathi and Swamy, > > Hopefully you won't mind if I add a little here :-) > > //Would a exalted Saturn behave in distinct(opposite > may be!) ways for a > Capricorn and Aquarius ascendant, since they are the > negative and > positive signs of Saturn?// > > As per Parashara, Saturn is classed as neutral for > Capricorn lagna...neither > very favourable nor very adverse. This is due to > Saturn's (moolatrikona) > lordship of 2nd house. Parashara states that, for > Capricorn, Saturn will not > be a killer of his own but can reveal killing powers > if he joins other > functional malefics (Jupiter, Mars or Moon). In > broader terms this can > simply indicate difficulties generally. > > For Aquarius, Saturn is classed as auspicious due to > his (moolatrikona) > lordship of lagna... > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > ______________________________\ ____Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Dear Sripathi, //Now it really makes sense to me abt the positiveness and negativeness of each sign!. And as to why a moolatrikona is considered stronger than swakshetra and exaltation.// No, I think there's a little confusion here. It's not a matter of moolatrikona being stronger than own sign or exaltation. In fact moolatrikona is stronger than own sign but less than exaltation. See below: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch3.htm 59-60. RATIO OF EFFECTS: *A planet in exaltation gives fully good effects while in Moolatrikona it is bereft of its auspicious effects by one fourth. It is half beneficial in its own house. Its beneficence is in one fourth in a friendly sign. In an egual's sign one eighth of auspicious disposition is useful. The good effects are nil in debilitation or enemy's camp. Inauspicious effects are quite reverse with reference to what is stated.* The nature due to lordship is a different matter entirely... //Going by what you mentioned, for my understanding, Has Saturn been termed neutral here ( For Capricorn Asc )since he is also the lord of 2nd (Marakasthana) and that the lagna lord cannot be bad (I mean as in a killer!)?// Lagna lord (on his own) will not harm and, if lagna is his strongest (moolatrikona) sign, he will prove auspicious. However, if lagna lord's moolatrikona sign happens to be a malefic bhava, his nature will be neutral (not good, not bad)...combining with another functional malefic however will tip the scales...can you see this? //Each ascendant has a killer(Maraka). In most cases they are the lords of the 2nd.// How do you figure that out? If I'm not mistaken, only Taurus and Scorpio have a dusthana as their moolatrikona whilst Capricorn alone can lord over both 1st and 2nd. The maraka houses BTW are 2nd and 7th...see below: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm *2-5. O Brahmin, the 3rd and 8th are the two houses of longevity. The houses related to death are the 12th from each of these, i.e. the 2nd and 7th are Maraka houses. 3. Out of the two (i.e. 2nd and 7th) the 2nd is a powerful Maraka house (as against the 7th). The lords of the 2nd and the 7th, malefics in the 2nd and the 7th, and malefics accompanying the 2nd and the 7th lords are all known as Marakas. The major and sub periods of these planets will bring death on the native depending on whether he has a long life, medium life or short life.* It's important to remember that, when considering two lordships (in any context), the moolatrikona house has prime importance (against the other house). PS: Swamy also referred to this when he wrote: //What is the other lordship for lagna lord?// Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:58 PM Re: Re: Exalted lagna lord in Karma Respected Mam, Thanks for your valuable inputs. Now it really makes sense to me abt the positiveness and negativeness of each sign!. And as to why a moolatrikona is considered stronger than swakshetra and exaltation. Going by what you mentioned, for my understanding, Has Saturn been termed neutral here ( For Capricorn Asc )since he is also the lord of 2nd (Marakasthana) and that the lagna lord cannot be bad (I mean as in a killer!)? With reference to chapter 34 of BPHS; http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm Each ascendant has a killer(Maraka). In most cases they are the lords of the 2nd. BPHS mentions Thanu Bhava and kalathra bhava to indicate death. But then why would Mars be a killer for Taurus Asc if this rule holds? Should not the 12th house be taken since it indicates one's own death.? Best Regards, Sripathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 hii all I am capricorn ascendant and I have saturn® in 11th house scorpio and Navamsa in Libra(exalted) . but saturn in scorpio gives too many obstacles in life? in addition its retro .....but Exalted Amsa. I am now 20 years old. saturn MD starts at 24 and ends at 41. it will be good for career? Saturn receives no aspects and so is lagna. I am june 18 1986 palakkad in Kerala.9 00 pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Respected Mam, Thanks for correcting me on this aspect. I think I slipped on a couple of occasions! . Back to BPHS. Shall be back with more queries, if its not a bother! Regards, Sripathi --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Sripathi, > > //Now it really makes sense to me abt the > positiveness and negativeness of > each sign!. And as to why a moolatrikona is > considered stronger than > swakshetra and exaltation.// > > No, I think there's a little confusion here. It's > not a matter of > moolatrikona being stronger than own sign or > exaltation. In fact > moolatrikona is stronger than own sign but less than > exaltation. See below: > > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch3.htm > 59-60. RATIO OF EFFECTS: > *A planet in exaltation gives fully good effects > while in Moolatrikona it is > bereft of its auspicious effects by one fourth. It > is half beneficial in its > own house. Its beneficence is in one fourth in a > friendly sign. In an > egual's sign one eighth of auspicious disposition is > useful. The good > effects are nil in debilitation or enemy's camp. > Inauspicious effects are > quite reverse with reference to what is stated.* > > The nature due to lordship is a different matter > entirely... > > //Going by what you mentioned, for my understanding, > Has > Saturn been termed neutral here ( For Capricorn Asc > )since he is also the lord of 2nd (Marakasthana) and > that the lagna lord cannot be bad (I mean as in a > killer!)?// > > Lagna lord (on his own) will not harm and, if lagna > is his strongest > (moolatrikona) sign, he will prove auspicious. > However, if lagna lord's > moolatrikona sign happens to be a malefic bhava, his > nature will be neutral > (not good, not bad)...combining with another > functional malefic however will > tip the scales...can you see this? > > //Each ascendant has a killer(Maraka). In most cases > they are the lords of > the 2nd.// > > How do you figure that out? If I'm not mistaken, > only Taurus and Scorpio > have a dusthana as their moolatrikona whilst > Capricorn alone can lord over > both 1st and 2nd. The maraka houses BTW are 2nd and > 7th...see below: > > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm > *2-5. O Brahmin, the 3rd and 8th are the two houses > of longevity. The houses > related to death are the 12th from each of these, > i.e. the 2nd and 7th are > Maraka houses. > 3. Out of the two (i.e. 2nd and 7th) the 2nd is a > powerful Maraka house (as > against the 7th). The lords of the 2nd and the 7th, > malefics in the 2nd and > the 7th, and malefics accompanying the 2nd and the > 7th lords are all known > as Marakas. The major and sub periods of these > planets will bring death on > the native depending on whether he has a long life, > medium life or short > life.* > > It's important to remember that, when considering > two lordships (in any > context), the moolatrikona house has prime > importance (against the other > house). > > PS: Swamy also referred to this when he wrote: > //What is the other lordship for lagna lord?// > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:58 PM > Re: Re: Exalted lagna lord > in Karma > > > Respected Mam, > > Thanks for your valuable inputs. Now it really makes > sense to me abt the positiveness and negativeness of > each sign!. And as to why a moolatrikona is > considered > stronger than swakshetra and exaltation. > > Going by what you mentioned, for my understanding, > Has > Saturn been termed neutral here ( For Capricorn Asc > )since he is also the lord of 2nd (Marakasthana) and > that the lagna lord cannot be bad (I mean as in a > killer!)? > > With reference to chapter 34 of BPHS; > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch34.htm > Each ascendant has a killer(Maraka). In most cases > they are the lords of the 2nd. BPHS mentions Thanu > Bhava and kalathra bhava to indicate death. But then > why would Mars be a killer for Taurus Asc if this > rule > holds? Should not the 12th house be taken since it > indicates one's own death.? > > Best Regards, > Sripathi > > > ______________________________\ ____Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Neena, //It would be interesting to take up some charts to study this kind of placement and how it affects the indications of the 10th house. Do you have any charts in your database?// Srila Prabhupada is one that immediately comes to mind... 1 Sep 1896 (16:00) Calcutta (Lagna: Capricorn 07:52:34) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " neenako " <neenako <jyotish-vidya > Monday, May 14, 2007 11:47 PM Re: Exalted lagna lord in Karma - Hi, you have raised very interesting questions , especially the exalted lagna lord in Karmasthana. This kind of placement is possible only in the case of Aries or Capricorn lagna. So if you consider the Aries lagna, it is Mars which would be placed in 10th in an exalted position. If Capricorn lagna, then it is Saturn placed in Libra in 10th house. It would be interesting to take up some charts to study this kind of placement and how it affects the indications of the 10th house. Do you have any charts in your database? Best wishes, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya , " mailsreeps " <mailsreeps wrote: > > Respected Members, > > I have a few queries regarding exalted lagna lord in Karma. May be > very preliminary, but would greatly assist me in my learning. > > Would a exalted Saturn behave in distinct(opposite may be!) ways for a > Capricorn and Aquarius ascendant, since they are the negative and > positive signs of Saturn? > > It is said that the lagna lord sort of robs off the goodness of the > house where he is posited, for self. Therefore in the above case would > it mean for a Capricorn Asc(where Saturn is exalted in 10th, Karma), > the natives deeds would be for own benefit? > > Would saturn still be considered harmful in the event he is a > yogakarak(Eg. Taurus ascendant) > > Best Regards, > Sripathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 >Apart from other points, this chart throws up another potent point of astrology i.e. a planet exalted in rasi but debilitated in navamsa.What do you think of this aspect and how it affected the native?< Hello Neena, This is an interesting observation on the chart of Prabhupada. This is a wonderful chart for seeing how vedic astrological principles unfold. My understanding is that a planet that is exalted in rashi but debilitated in navamsa does not deliver the expected results or is compromised in some way. It could simply mean that Prabhupada did not realize the goals he set out to accomplish in this life. Saturn does get neechabanga raj yoga in the navamsa so this is also a factor to be considered. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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