] [va] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Pl help analyze. 8/6

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant Ji

 

I have a request. Please dont put a clear cut manifestation (or blaming on

someone's part) from Astrological point of view.

 

The reason ?

 

I have seen and read plenty of news in US news papers that " A man wrongly

convicted for Rape and Child Molestation was freed after 30 years because he was

not guilty "

 

Sometimes DNA testing proves that the " Defendent " has not been found guilty

after 20 years. But then its too late and he has already served 30 or more so

years of their life behind bars.

 

Now they spent so many years behind bars for a crime which they did not

commit.

 

What does astrology says about this ?

 

And in time period before 60s (and still it happens), there was clear-cut

prejudice in US system. If you see an survey then you can find out easliy that

almost 96 % of prision population in US consists African American.

 

Does it ring a bell ?

 

How about Mahatma Ghandi ? He was behind bar. Was he a criminal ? Jawaharlal

Nehru, Chandra-Sekhar Ajad, Bhagad singh, Aurbiodo Ghosh... all these always had

trouble with local laws at that time. Some (or many) served time in Jail.

 

Were they criminals ?

 

Thanks

 

Jagdish

 

AnonymousWriter <a_happy_fiction_writer wrote:

Gemini Ascendent meaning he was abused in childhood? I can't see how

you're getting that.

 

" overwhelming malefic influences? " I bring in the hidden planets and that Uranus

in Scorpio + Pluto in Libra + Neptune in Sagittarius doesn't add much malefic

influence to this chart. I fact, Uranus completes a Mystic Rectangle that takes

care of most of that " malefic ness " in this chart. But we have problems on the

right side of the chart anyway, which are bigger than that. I don't see what you

mean, so I don't criticize...but it's all in how you look at it.

 

Venus is inconjunct Jupiter, so we get a 2 for 1 deal on the " planets afflicted

by their own sign rulers " thing....Venus afflcts Jupiter in Libra and Jupiter

and Neptune BOTH afflict Venus in Pisces. How can you miss that?

And that affliction from Neptune is a Square, the " worst " kind. so in fact

adding planets adds more to it. By the way, malefic influences do not evil make,

they just make life harder to actually do...the game is harder to play, but evil

is only in how you play it. Otherwise Karma wouldn't matter and free will would

make no sense.

 

Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote:

Subba,

 

he is surely an abused child look at his lagna and 4th lord which happens to be

Budha no benific aspect with such overwhelming malefic influences

 

I forgot to add y'day that ketu in 7th is aspected by 6th lord Kuja and

whichadds to Kuja already aflicted both by ownership of dusthana his

associationwith sani a natural papa graha and also another dusthanaadhipathi

 

if this is not abrahmim a relief but lloks like a tormentor of a few atleast.

 

Best wishes

 

G B Prashant Kumar

 

Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family,

kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna

features check.

Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT

consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India

 

 

subba_appa <subba_appa

vedic astrology

Friday, June 8, 2007 12:17:28 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: [va] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

Pl help analyze. 7/6

 

This native is not abraham. The native's conviction happened in Sa/Ma

dasa as per Vimsottari (lagna). Maybe it is a coincidence, but the

thought process for the appeal started in march this year.

 

I would appreciate if you could also answer the questions listed in my

original mail, as I am in a real fix on whether to support the appeal

process or stay out of it. And there are some deeper issues as well. If

somehow there's evidence that his actions were as a result of the sexual

abuse he himself suffered, there could be a case for mercy plea and

request for a lighter sentence.

 

Thanks for your opinion though!

 

vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@.. .>

wrote:

>

> subba,

>

> Well this person is guilty no doubt.

>

> look at the 4th house 2 first rate malefics Sani+kuja, sani in Kuja's

star itself and Kuja is 6th lord all unlawful activities and sani as 8th

lord in 4th shows a prison term thru its dasa escaped the earlier stage

of it sani dasa started on 14/8/05 and will go on for 19 yrs

>

> look at the combined aspect on Sukra who is exalted and still

outnumbered

>

> here the advantage this guy has is Chandra+guru in 2nd so has had

enjoyed many well placed family girls and not all of them will report

him so has escaped with just 18 yrs. he deserves more as the

psychatriast has said.

> his products will still sell and give him riches apart from this he

will write a good book and get name in it on sure his crimes.

>

> I am sure his 2nd half of Guru dasa made a lot of name, fame and quick

money.

>

> here the main pillars Lagna lord in 12th has lost its strenght so

all other yogas stand stunted.

>

> 7th lord Guru and LL in 6/8m the courtships and 7th lord is also 6/8

>

> and Ketu's role in 7ths hows his sinster mind and his dispositer is in

enemy house and its dispositer is also 6/8 though exalted has not helped

much.

>

> I guess he will serve the term, make some good bucks too.

>

> did his trouble start between 13th march to 8th may this yr

>

> and is it a chart of Abraham the costume designer, model who is behind

bars in NY?

>

> appears so to me.if he is the one let him serve the term and redeem

the victims sufferings a bit

>

> when we should protect the dignity of women the ones who give them

shelter, a career for the aspiring, some struggling girls instead of

protecting them if their masters abuse them, then they must pay for it

as well.'

> nature will get even with them, no man can float on the TEARS of women

and live happily for too long.

>

> JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

> G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage,

family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti ,

for Lagna features check.

> Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and

CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India

>

>

>

>

> subba_appa subba_appa@. ..

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, June 7, 2007 10:28:20 PM

> [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

Please help analyze.

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for your response. I am curious to know one thing:

 

Notwithstanding his innocence or otherwise, and our personal opinion of

how such individuals need to be dealt with, would an appeal to

reconsider the case (this involves lots of money and effort) be

successful? If there can be adequate basis that he was abused as a

child, the courts may look at the issue more sympathetically and may

give him a lighter sentence.

 

Await your response

 

 

vedic astrology , Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti

wrote:

>

> Subba,

>

> he is surely an abused child look at his lagna and 4th lord which

happens to be Budha no benific aspect with such overwhelming malefic

influences

>

> I forgot to add y'day that ketu in 7th is aspected by 6th lord Kuja

and whichadds to Kuja already aflicted both by ownership of dusthana his

associationwith sani a natural papa graha and also another

dusthanaadhipathi

>

> if this is not abrahmim a relief but lloks like a tormentor of a few

atleast.

>

> Best wishes

>

> G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage,

family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti,

for Lagna features check.

> Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and

CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India

>

>

>

>

> subba_appa subba_appa

> vedic astrology

> Friday, June 8, 2007 12:17:28 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: [va] Innocent person or a dangerous

psychopath? Pl help analyze. 7/6

>

> This native is not abraham. The native's conviction happened in Sa/Ma

> dasa as per Vimsottari (lagna). Maybe it is a coincidence, but the

> thought process for the appeal started in march this year.

>

> I would appreciate if you could also answer the questions listed in my

> original mail, as I am in a real fix on whether to support the appeal

> process or stay out of it. And there are some deeper issues as well.

If

> somehow there's evidence that his actions were as a result of the

sexual

> abuse he himself suffered, there could be a case for mercy plea and

> request for a lighter sentence.

>

> Thanks for your opinion though!

>

> vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ .>

> wrote:

> >

> > subba,

> >

> > Well this person is guilty no doubt.

> >

> > look at the 4th house 2 first rate malefics Sani+kuja, sani in

Kuja's

> star itself and Kuja is 6th lord all unlawful activities and sani as

8th

> lord in 4th shows a prison term thru its dasa escaped the earlier

stage

> of it sani dasa started on 14/8/05 and will go on for 19 yrs

> >

> > look at the combined aspect on Sukra who is exalted and still

> outnumbered

> >

> > here the advantage this guy has is Chandra+guru in 2nd so has had

> enjoyed many well placed family girls and not all of them will report

> him so has escaped with just 18 yrs. he deserves more as the

> psychatriast has said.

> > his products will still sell and give him riches apart from this he

> will write a good book and get name in it on sure his crimes.

> >

> > I am sure his 2nd half of Guru dasa made a lot of name, fame and

quick

> money.

> >

> > here the main pillars Lagna lord in 12th has lost its strenght so

> all other yogas stand stunted.

> >

> > 7th lord Guru and LL in 6/8m the courtships and 7th lord is also 6/8

> >

> > and Ketu's role in 7ths hows his sinster mind and his dispositer is

in

> enemy house and its dispositer is also 6/8 though exalted has not

helped

> much.

> >

> > I guess he will serve the term, make some good bucks too.

> >

> > did his trouble start between 13th march to 8th may this yr

> >

> > and is it a chart of Abraham the costume designer, model who is

behind

> bars in NY?

> >

> > appears so to me.if he is the one let him serve the term and redeem

> the victims sufferings a bit

> >

> > when we should protect the dignity of women the ones who give them

> shelter, a career for the aspiring, some struggling girls instead of

> protecting them if their masters abuse them, then they must pay for it

> as well.'

> > nature will get even with them, no man can float on the TEARS of

women

> and live happily for too long.

> >

> > JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> > G B Prashant Kumar

> >

> > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs,

marriage,

> family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti@ ,

> for Lagna features check.

> > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and

> CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > subba_appa subba_appa@ ..

> > vedic astrology

> > Thursday, June 7, 2007 10:28:20 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous

psychopath?

> Please help analyze.

> >

> > Respected learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> processes

> > has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple

> > of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> > molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> > from lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

> he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

> and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> nature,

> > as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also

> > finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

> has

> > reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and

it

> > would be a danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though

> > the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful

in

> > view of the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> >

> > Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

> >

> > Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> > justice possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > affairs?

> >

> > From an astrological standpoint:

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

of

> > circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

he

> > was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> > detailed comprehensive response.

> >

> >