all about upapada and navamsa (attn: Guru Sarajit)

[Guest guest]

Dear Enlightened Ones,

 

I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

fascinating. My questions are as follows:

 

1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

 

One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

 

4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception?

5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

one's wife in male charts?

 

two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

brides.

 

6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

(saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

 

7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

travels? venus-passionate love?

 

8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

 

9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

upapada is kind of wealthy.

 

10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

 

I hope you can attend to my questions.

 

Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

[Guest guest]

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Sir,

 

Please find my answers below.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru

email: rafal

*Jyotish pages*: www.rohinaa.com

 

liz_sidani napisa?(a):

>

>

> Dear Enlightened Ones,

>

> I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

> nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

> fascinating. My questions are as follows:

>

> 1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

>

[rafal] In the Rasi chart.

>

> 2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

> but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

>

[rafal] Perception is not good word. Rather it shows manifestation of

our partner, its very real infact.

>

> 3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

> the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

> placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

> place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

>

[rafal] They play a bit different role. Seventh bhava shows atttitude to

relationship and opportunities/events which are associated with

relationship/marriage. Upapada shows character, appearance, wealth and

family of spouse. Love marriage can be seen from 7H and also from UL.

>

>

>

> One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

> the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

>

[rafal] Yes.

>

>

> 4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception ?

>

[rafal] Its perception in comparisment to Brahman, this is very real.

Its not perception in comparisment to our world (mirror of mirror) -

therefore Arudha is very real and it can show real condition of body,

therefore we judge diseases and siblings from Arudha also.

>

> 5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

> represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

> relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

> indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

> one's wife in male charts?

>

[rafal] It can show prior relationship.

>

> two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

> brides.

>

[rafal] Lord should be connected to UL.

>

>

> 6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

> the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

> with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

> (saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

>

[rafal] UL describes partner, 2H from UL shows situation like anger and

sorrow. Both should be seen in Rasi.

>

>

> 7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

> promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

> travels? venus-passionate love?

>

[rafal] Venus show Kavi, Jupiter Brahmana, Surya responsible person

taking care of family, Moon learned one.

>

>

> 8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

> promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

> chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

>

[rafal] Yes, we should focus on Rasi, but D9 is very important and Venus

in 12H in D9 can also deny marriage like the D1 can.

>

>

> 9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

> navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

> about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

> instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

> upapada is kind of wealthy.

>

[rafal] 2H shows remarried persons/widowers etc. (D9)

>

>

> 10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

> please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

>

[rafal] Crux of Vedic Astrology.

>

> I hope you can attend to my questions.

>

> Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru Rafal,

 

You have an amazing mind. Thank you for responding so quickly. I thought I had

to wait for days. Your site is fantastic. I am reading and learning a lot from

it.

 

In my friend's RASI chart her venus is 3rd and 10th lords. And it is placed in

the 4H in rasi and 7H in the navamsa.My initial reading points to a marriage.

But since moon is 12th lord in Rasi and CONJOINED venus in 7H in the D9, then

my reading is wrong! Did I get you correctly when you said that 12th lord of

rasi when placed in 7th bhava in D9 may deny marriage? Or does it apply ONLY

when venus is the 12th lord?

 

Interestingly, in my friend's chart, D9, venus is 5th and 12th house lord. So,

I'm thinking (with MUCH TREPIDATION) that both the rasi and D9 12th lords are in

the 7th house...no marriage and children for her.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

 

Your insights are very much welcomed.

 

Thanks and God bless!

 

Sincerely,

L.Sidani

 

 

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Sir,

 

Please find my answers below.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru

email: rafal

*Jyotish pages*: www.rohinaa.com

 

liz_sidani napisa?(a):

>

>

> Dear Enlightened Ones,

>

> I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

> nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

> fascinating. My questions are as follows:

>

> 1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

>

[rafal] In the Rasi chart.

>

> 2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

> but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

>

[rafal] Perception is not good word. Rather it shows manifestation of

our partner, its very real infact.

>

> 3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

> the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

> placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

> place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

>

[rafal] They play a bit different role. Seventh bhava shows atttitude to

relationship and opportunities/events which are associated with

relationship/marriage. Upapada shows character, appearance, wealth and

family of spouse. Love marriage can be seen from 7H and also from UL.

>

>

>

> One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

> the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

>

[rafal] Yes.

>

>

> 4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception ?

>

[rafal] Its perception in comparisment to Brahman, this is very real.

Its not perception in comparisment to our world (mirror of mirror) -

therefore Arudha is very real and it can show real condition of body,

therefore we judge diseases and siblings from Arudha also.

>

> 5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

> represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

> relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

> indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

> one's wife in male charts?

>

[rafal] It can show prior relationship.

>

> two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

> brides.

>

[rafal] Lord should be connected to UL.

>

>

> 6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

> the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

> with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

> (saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

>

[rafal] UL describes partner, 2H from UL shows situation like anger and

sorrow. Both should be seen in Rasi.

>

>

> 7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

> promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

> travels? venus-passionate love?

>

[rafal] Venus show Kavi, Jupiter Brahmana, Surya responsible person

taking care of family, Moon learned one.

>

>

> 8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

> promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

> chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

>

[rafal] Yes, we should focus on Rasi, but D9 is very important and Venus

in 12H in D9 can also deny marriage like the D1 can.

>

>

> 9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

> navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

> about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

> instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

> upapada is kind of wealthy.

>

[rafal] 2H shows remarried persons/widowers etc. (D9)

>

>

> 10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

> please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

>

[rafal] Crux of Vedic Astrology.

>

> I hope you can attend to my questions.

>

> Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear L.Sidani,

 

replies under your notes.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

 

lispeth sidani napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Guru Rafal,

>

> You have an amazing mind. Thank you for responding so quickly. I

> thought I had to wait for days. Your site is fantastic. I am reading

> and learning a lot from it.

>

> In my friend's RASI chart her venus is 3rd and 10th lords. And it is

> placed in the 4H in rasi and 7H in the navamsa.My initial reading

> points to a marriage. But since moon is 12th lord in Rasi and

> CONJOINED venus in 7H in the D9, then my reading is wrong! Did I get

> you correctly when you said that 12th lord of rasi when placed in 7th

> bhava in D9 may deny marriage? Or does it apply ONLY when venus is the

> 12th lord?

>

[rafal] Venus must be in 12H in D9 to deny marriage, there are few rules

more, but thats the first serious point. Moon in seventh in D9 shows

many partners and loose morals especially when Buddha is in kona to this.

>

> Interestingly, in my friend's chart, D9, venus is 5th and 12th house

> lord. So, I'm thinking (with MUCH TREPIDATION) that both the rasi and

> D9 12th lords are in the 7th house...no marriage and children for her.

>

[rafal] 12L in seventh can give partner working in hospitals or

fundations, or if Rahu touch it then it can be foreigner.

>

>

> I hope I'm wrong.

>

> Your insights are very much welcomed.

>

> Thanks and God bless!

>

> Sincerely,

> L.Sidani

>

>

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> wrote:

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Please find my answers below.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru

> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal%40rohinaa.com>

> *Jyotish pages*: www.rohinaa. com

>

> liz_sidani napisa?(a):

> >

> >

> > Dear Enlightened Ones,

> >

> > I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

> > nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

> > fascinating. My questions are as follows:

> >

> > 1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

> >

> [rafal] In the Rasi chart.

> >

> > 2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

> > but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

> >

> [rafal] Perception is not good word. Rather it shows manifestation of

> our partner, its very real infact.

> >

> > 3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

> > the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

> > placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

> > place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

> >

> [rafal] They play a bit different role. Seventh bhava shows atttitude to

> relationship and opportunities/ events which are associated with

> relationship/ marriage. Upapada shows character, appearance, wealth and

> family of spouse. Love marriage can be seen from 7H and also from UL.

> >

> >

> >

> > One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

> > the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

> >

> [rafal] Yes.

> >

> >

> > 4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception ?

> >

> [rafal] Its perception in comparisment to Brahman, this is very real.

> Its not perception in comparisment to our world (mirror of mirror) -

> therefore Arudha is very real and it can show real condition of body,

> therefore we judge diseases and siblings from Arudha also.

> >

> > 5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

> > represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

> > relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

> > indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

> > one's wife in male charts?

> >

> [rafal] It can show prior relationship.

> >

> > two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

> > brides.

> >

> [rafal] Lord should be connected to UL.

> >

> >

> > 6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

> > the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

> > with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

> > (saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

> >

> [rafal] UL describes partner, 2H from UL shows situation like anger and

> sorrow. Both should be seen in Rasi.

> >

> >

> > 7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

> > promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

> > travels? venus-passionate love?

> >

> [rafal] Venus show Kavi, Jupiter Brahmana, Surya responsible person

> taking care of family, Moon learned one.

> >

> >

> > 8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

> > promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

> > chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

> >

> [rafal] Yes, we should focus on Rasi, but D9 is very important and Venus

> in 12H in D9 can also deny marriage like the D1 can.

> >

> >

> > 9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

> > navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

> > about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

> > instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

> > upapada is kind of wealthy.

> >

> [rafal] 2H shows remarried persons/widowers etc. (D9)

> >

> >

> > 10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

> > please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

> >

> [rafal] Crux of Vedic Astrology.

> >

> > I hope you can attend to my questions.

> >

> > Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru,

 

Does the loose morals refer to her partner or to her? This woman is chaste. It

would be a pity if she marries a womanizer!

 

My final question, i hope!

 

1. does the 7th lord in navamsa also play a role in determing the nature and

tendencies of the partner. in her case moon and venus are in sagitarius. one

Western Guru confirms the philandering ways of the future husband because dhanu

loves freedom and cannot be constricted.

 

2. have you ever published a book? the one you recommended was by Guru Sanjay

Rath. i already ordered it online. please recommend one more.

 

Thank you for all the help. Please don't get tired of sharing your gift to

struggling astrologers and VA enthusiasts.

 

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear L.Sidani,

 

replies under your notes.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

lispeth sidani napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Guru Rafal,

>

> You have an amazing mind. Thank you for responding so quickly. I

> thought I had to wait for days. Your site is fantastic. I am reading

> and learning a lot from it.

>

> In my friend's RASI chart her venus is 3rd and 10th lords. And it is

> placed in the 4H in rasi and 7H in the navamsa.My initial reading

> points to a marriage. But since moon is 12th lord in Rasi and

> CONJOINED venus in 7H in the D9, then my reading is wrong! Did I get

> you correctly when you said that 12th lord of rasi when placed in 7th

> bhava in D9 may deny marriage? Or does it apply ONLY when venus is the

> 12th lord?

>

[rafal] Venus must be in 12H in D9 to deny marriage, there are few rules

more, but thats the first serious point. Moon in seventh in D9 shows

many partners and loose morals especially when Buddha is in kona to this.

>

> Interestingly, in my friend's chart, D9, venus is 5th and 12th house

> lord. So, I'm thinking (with MUCH TREPIDATION) that both the rasi and

> D9 12th lords are in the 7th house...no marriage and children for her.

>

[rafal] 12L in seventh can give partner working in hospitals or

fundations, or if Rahu touch it then it can be foreigner.

>

>

> I hope I'm wrong.

>

> Your insights are very much welcomed.

>

> Thanks and God bless!

>

> Sincerely,

> L.Sidani

>

>

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> wrote:

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Please find my answers below.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru

> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal%40rohinaa.com>

> *Jyotish pages*: www.rohinaa. com

>

> liz_sidani napisa?(a):

> >

> >

> > Dear Enlightened Ones,

> >

> > I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

> > nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

> > fascinating. My questions are as follows:

> >

> > 1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

> >

> [rafal] In the Rasi chart.

> >

> > 2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

> > but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

> >

> [rafal] Perception is not good word. Rather it shows manifestation of

> our partner, its very real infact.

> >

> > 3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

> > the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

> > placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

> > place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

> >

> [rafal] They play a bit different role. Seventh bhava shows atttitude to

> relationship and opportunities/ events which are associated with

> relationship/ marriage. Upapada shows character, appearance, wealth and

> family of spouse. Love marriage can be seen from 7H and also from UL.

> >

> >

> >

> > One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

> > the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

> >

> [rafal] Yes.

> >

> >

> > 4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception ?

> >

> [rafal] Its perception in comparisment to Brahman, this is very real.

> Its not perception in comparisment to our world (mirror of mirror) -

> therefore Arudha is very real and it can show real condition of body,

> therefore we judge diseases and siblings from Arudha also.

> >

> > 5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

> > represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

> > relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

> > indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

> > one's wife in male charts?

> >

> [rafal] It can show prior relationship.

> >

> > two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

> > brides.

> >

> [rafal] Lord should be connected to UL.

> >

> >

> > 6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

> > the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

> > with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

> > (saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

> >

> [rafal] UL describes partner, 2H from UL shows situation like anger and

> sorrow. Both should be seen in Rasi.

> >

> >

> > 7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

> > promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

> > travels? venus-passionate love?

> >

> [rafal] Venus show Kavi, Jupiter Brahmana, Surya responsible person

> taking care of family, Moon learned one.

> >

> >

> > 8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

> > promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

> > chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

> >

> [rafal] Yes, we should focus on Rasi, but D9 is very important and Venus

> in 12H in D9 can also deny marriage like the D1 can.

> >

> >

> > 9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

> > navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

> > about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

> > instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

> > upapada is kind of wealthy.

> >

> [rafal] 2H shows remarried persons/widowers etc. (D9)

> >

> >

> > 10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

> > please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

> >

> [rafal] Crux of Vedic Astrology.

> >

> > I hope you can attend to my questions.

> >

> > Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Lispeth,

 

#1 Are You sure that Your Navamsa is rectified? If Moon is in seventh

the she has quite strong libido, character of spouse will be read from

the sign - thats the advise of Parasara Rsi!

 

#2 7L in D9 is of crucial importance. Whole life of spouse will be read

treating the 7H as Lagna. But thats only for the first partner. 2nd one

will be the second house ... Thats Uttara Kalamrta sloka!

 

#3 Please order Jyotish Fundamentals by Visti Larsen. He is my teacher

in Jyotish Vedanga.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

lispeth sidani napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Guru,

>

> Does the loose morals refer to her partner or to her? This woman is

> chaste. It would be a pity if she marries a womanizer!

>

> My final question, i hope!

>

> 1. does the 7th lord in navamsa also play a role in determing the

> nature and tendencies of the partner. in her case moon and venus are

> in sagitarius. one Western Guru confirms the philandering ways of the

> future husband because dhanu loves freedom and cannot be constricted.

>

> 2. have you ever published a book? the one you recommended was by Guru

> Sanjay Rath. i already ordered it online. please recommend one more.

>

> Thank you for all the help. Please don't get tired of sharing your

> gift to struggling astrologers and VA enthusiasts.

>

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> wrote:

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear L.Sidani,

>

> replies under your notes.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal%40rohinaa.com>

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

>

> lispeth sidani napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Guru Rafal,

> >

> > You have an amazing mind. Thank you for responding so quickly. I

> > thought I had to wait for days. Your site is fantastic. I am reading

> > and learning a lot from it.

> >

> > In my friend's RASI chart her venus is 3rd and 10th lords. And it is

> > placed in the 4H in rasi and 7H in the navamsa.My initial reading

> > points to a marriage. But since moon is 12th lord in Rasi and

> > CONJOINED venus in 7H in the D9, then my reading is wrong! Did I get

> > you correctly when you said that 12th lord of rasi when placed in 7th

> > bhava in D9 may deny marriage? Or does it apply ONLY when venus is the

> > 12th lord?

> >

> [rafal] Venus must be in 12H in D9 to deny marriage, there are few rules

> more, but thats the first serious point. Moon in seventh in D9 shows

> many partners and loose morals especially when Buddha is in kona to this.

> >

> > Interestingly, in my friend's chart, D9, venus is 5th and 12th house

> > lord. So, I'm thinking (with MUCH TREPIDATION) that both the rasi and

> > D9 12th lords are in the 7th house...no marriage and children for her.

> >

> [rafal] 12L in seventh can give partner working in hospitals or

> fundations, or if Rahu touch it then it can be foreigner.

> >

> >

> > I hope I'm wrong.

> >

> > Your insights are very much welcomed.

> >

> > Thanks and God bless!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > L.Sidani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > wrote:

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Please find my answers below.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru

> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal% 40rohinaa. com>

> > *Jyotish pages*: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> > liz_sidani napisa?(a):

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Enlightened Ones,

> > >

> > > I have been reading on arudha lagna and the concept of predicting the

> > > nature and background of one's future partner, the upapada, has been

> > > fascinating. My questions are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. does one look at the UL in the rasi or D9?

> > >

> > [rafal] In the Rasi chart.

> > >

> > > 2. does the upapada stands for " our perception " of our spouse/partner,

> > > but it is not/and does not necessarily represents who he/she truly is

> > >

> > [rafal] Perception is not good word. Rather it shows manifestation of

> > our partner, its very real infact.

> > >

> > > 3. which/and who is more significant, the lord of the 7th house and

> > > the 7th house in the rasi or the lord of the upapada and its house

> > > placement in the rasi (as far as predicting whether marriage will take

> > > place, and whether the beloved will be gorgeous and loving)?

> > >

> > [rafal] They play a bit different role. Seventh bhava shows atttitude to

> > relationship and opportunities/ events which are associated with

> > relationship/ marriage. Upapada shows character, appearance, wealth and

> > family of spouse. Love marriage can be seen from 7H and also from UL.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > One Guru said that the 7th lord represents how we view marriage while

> > > the Upapada(s) represents our partner(s)

> > >

> > [rafal] Yes.

> > >

> > >

> > > 4. how can this be if arudha is just " maya " or illusion/perception ?

> > >

> > [rafal] Its perception in comparisment to Brahman, this is very real.

> > Its not perception in comparisment to our world (mirror of mirror) -

> > therefore Arudha is very real and it can show real condition of body,

> > therefore we judge diseases and siblings from Arudha also.

> > >

> > > 5. if upapada lagna conjoins A7, which according to one Guru

> > > represents actual physical relationship, does that mean the sex

> > > relations is confined to one's upapada? more so to the point, does it

> > > indicate " virgin brides " in female charts and monogamy/faithful to

> > > one's wife in male charts?

> > >

> > [rafal] It can show prior relationship.

> > >

> > > two of my friends have UL conjoined by A7, and they are both virgin

> > > brides.

> > >

> > [rafal] Lord should be connected to UL.

> > >

> > >

> > > 6. when a planet conjoined the UL how does it relate to it as far as

> > > the success/failure of the marriage is concerned. for instance does UL

> > > with saturn or mars in navamsa mean the couple will experience poverty

> > > (saturn) or arguments/enemies (mars)?

> > >

> > [rafal] UL describes partner, 2H from UL shows situation like anger and

> > sorrow. Both should be seen in Rasi.

> > >

> > >

> > > 7. what is the ideal planet that should join the upapada? will sun

> > > promise fame and political power for the couple, jupiter-wealth? moon-

> > > travels? venus-passionate love?

> > >

> > [rafal] Venus show Kavi, Jupiter Brahmana, Surya responsible person

> > taking care of family, Moon learned one.

> > >

> > >

> > > 8. if one's rasi looks bleak as far as marriage is concerned, but D9

> > > promises marriage, which should be considered? one Guru said no D-

> > > chart can deliver what the rasi cannot promise.

> > >

> > [rafal] Yes, we should focus on Rasi, but D9 is very important and Venus

> > in 12H in D9 can also deny marriage like the D1 can.

> > >

> > >

> > > 9. if the 7th lord in the rasi is placed in the 2nd house in the

> > > navamsa, what does it signify? my translation is marriage will bring

> > > about wealth in the individual's life. my friend's horoscope for

> > > instance has 7th lord saturn (rasi) is in 2H cancer in D9. Her future

> > > upapada is kind of wealthy.

> > >

> > [rafal] 2H shows remarried persons/widowers etc. (D9)

> > >

> > >

> > > 10. do you really believe that marriage is reflected in the charts?

> > > please recommedn a book on navamsa and upapada.

> > >

> > [rafal] Crux of Vedic Astrology.

> > >

> > > I hope you can attend to my questions.

> > >

> > > Thank you so much. May God's blessings be upon you?

> > >

> > >

> >

> >