Painful tears of an amateur Astrologer.To.Kishore Patnaikji,

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

When you comment on free lunch to every body, I remember to have seen an

affordable seeking astrological guidance for him and other kith and kin for more

than 216 times over a period of 7 months. These made me to brood over that, are

we really helping the needy or greedy?

The professional left to starve may think that we cause to give them worry as

that of a dog on the hay; neither it eats it or permits the cow to eat it.

 

 

 

kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayanaji,

 

To start with, I always maintained that these groups are not free astro

centres. They are meant for the members to learn and discuss astrology. The

charts posed are only a step forward for learning and personally, I pick out

only those charts wherein I have something to learn or at least, test my

learning by hazarding a reading. After all, the proof of pudding is only in

eating it. Hence, people need to be assiduously discouraged for hanging

around for a free lunch.I do not do much commercial reading yet, this is my

opinion in the interest of all. Most of these people who call for free

readings can afford a professional astrologer.

 

Towards this end, I always write privately to the chart owners whenever I

see a serious problem that needs long time discussions and ask them to

approach good professional astrologer.

 

In any case, this trend of people simply asking for a free reading on the

groups should be change. Of course, posting a chart is different for

discussions. This may be done sometimes since chart might be interesting and

hence, needs to be shared. In some cases, the chart may need a second

opinion, in cases of dilemma. Such postings will no doubt help the group

members to further their learning.

 

For one, I have always posted academic questions based on the charts I have

seen. This will encourage discussion and application of academics on the

actual charts.

 

Coming to the question of one up man ship, I think such things might be

inevitable in these kind of groups, it is very good if people can

voluntarily avoid such things, at least since these groups are dealing with

satwik sciences like Astrology. However, obviously, the best man will

always win, since he will get the most number of responses.

 

Hope this helps,

 

kishore patnaik

 

On 5/25/07, Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

>

> Dear Astrologers,

>

> Most of the Astrologers in the group are amateur and some are Masters/

> professional Guru. This is primarily a discussion group in English for the

> promotion of Vedic Astrology ,but it is evident from the groups' messages

> that most of us pick up quarries in a hurry and offer solutions hastily / to

> the best of their knowledge, no healthy discussion takes place because every

> one want to supersede the other by enunciating separate solutions to a same

> quarry with out any contrast with earlier one, it becomes difficult for

> learners like me to decide up on which one of the solution offered is

> correct(in the absence of immediate feed back) among the various solutions

> so flooded. I see a tendency that prevails among many that they seemingly

> presume to be in a race to establish their identity in the society. These

> lead any mischievous querist to try to encash the disorderly conditions in a

> group, pose a quarry to make the group a laughing stock.

> Is it a health sign? Are we doing anything good to the subject or preserve

> the sanctity of Vedic Astrology?

> We may improve the situation, only if the solutions offered are if need be

> debated with out breaking the original thread / creating new thread and also

> with out offending each ones feeling.

> With regards,

> D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

>

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala<astro_tellerkerala%40.co.in>>

> wrote:

> om krishna guru,

>

> dear leeza shah

>

> Again u started flooding with messages ,first u

> shud respect others time ,u think astrologers r waiting without any job

> only to answer us chart .

>

> some one else answered u and u said u are at home till sept ,in that

> case even if the first job u mentioned how u would hav taken up ,u want

> to sit at home and only pay pack shud reach u?

>

> May be u forget ,but i mentioned to do some remedies ,which u dont

> care ,u r interested only to know when u will get ur comforts and all

> other thing is bakwas,My advise ,pls take it as request --if u dont blv

> in good karma ,dont blv astrology also ,it is not for some body ,who has

> internet at home and 100s of forums r there and flooding with message

> every 4 minits,

>

> If u hav any doubts one gentle man ,who has already given some

> predictions --u shud clarify with him and may be other gurus or senior

> memebrs will correct him ,if he went wrong .Instead u with u r over

> selfishness u r creating a aversion for gurus and not to see ur messages

> .U talked to some one who was kind enough to see ur chart very rudely.

>

> It shows how u can not control urself and ur respect and reverence with

> astrology or gurus .Generaly astrologers r not bound to answer any

> queries ,with such mannerism and forget the paying part of it .U shud

> understand that --its also dictum by rishis that --non blvers or those

> who talk rudely or not giving respect to astrologers ---even if he is

> king of the country --dont deserve any predictions

>

> hope this time u wont feel .

>

> otherwise same history repeat in ur life again and again .

>

> regrds sunil nair.

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> leeza shah <leeza_bby

> wrote:

> >

> > hello Sir and gurus ,

> >

> > my details r 15th oct 1981 , 17;04 pm , mumbai

> >

> > I had got a job but I had to leave coz the profile they offered me was

> so different -- Interview time they agreed on something else.

> >

> > Could u pls tell me as to when wud i get a job of my liking.. that is

> in the SAP field.

> >

> > regards,

> > leeza

> >

> >

> > Note.. Resending it again.. sorry for the earlier confusion

> >

> >

> >

> > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on

> TV.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

dear raaghjavan,

 

most often not, these people who are seeking advise here are not serious

about the replies they get. They seek advise here only in the hope that they

will be hearing what they want to hear, at no cost!

 

I am not really sure if any one who received the group's advise has ever

returned to say good or bad about the predictions.

 

That goes onto prove the seriousness of the people who clamour for the

advise.

 

 

Kishore patnaik

On 5/26/07, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote:

>

> Namaste,

> When you comment on free lunch to every body, I remember to have seen an

> affordable seeking astrological guidance for him and other kith and kin for

> more than 216 times over a period of 7 months. These made me to brood over

> that, are we really helping the needy or greedy?

> The professional left to starve may think that we cause to give them worry

> as that of a dog on the hay; neither it eats it or permits the cow to eat

> it.

>

>

>

> kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 <kishorepatnaik09%40gmail.com>>

> wrote: Dear Sathiyanarayanaji,

>

> To start with, I always maintained that these groups are not free astro

> centres. They are meant for the members to learn and discuss astrology.

> The

> charts posed are only a step forward for learning and personally, I pick

> out

> only those charts wherein I have something to learn or at least, test my

> learning by hazarding a reading. After all, the proof of pudding is only

> in

> eating it. Hence, people need to be assiduously discouraged for hanging

> around for a free lunch.I do not do much commercial reading yet, this is

> my

> opinion in the interest of all. Most of these people who call for free

> readings can afford a professional astrologer.

>

> Towards this end, I always write privately to the chart owners whenever I

> see a serious problem that needs long time discussions and ask them to

> approach good professional astrologer.

>

> In any case, this trend of people simply asking for a free reading on the

> groups should be change. Of course, posting a chart is different for

> discussions. This may be done sometimes since chart might be interesting

> and

> hence, needs to be shared. In some cases, the chart may need a second

> opinion, in cases of dilemma. Such postings will no doubt help the group

> members to further their learning.

>

> For one, I have always posted academic questions based on the charts I

> have

> seen. This will encourage discussion and application of academics on the

> actual charts.

>

> Coming to the question of one up man ship, I think such things might be

> inevitable in these kind of groups, it is very good if people can

> voluntarily avoid such things, at least since these groups are dealing

> with

> satwik sciences like Astrology. However, obviously, the best man will

> always win, since he will get the most number of responses.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> kishore patnaik

>

> On 5/25/07, Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816<gupta816%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Astrologers,

> >

> > Most of the Astrologers in the group are amateur and some are Masters/

> > professional Guru. This is primarily a discussion group in English for

> the

> > promotion of Vedic Astrology ,but it is evident from the groups'

> messages

> > that most of us pick up quarries in a hurry and offer solutions hastily

> / to

> > the best of their knowledge, no healthy discussion takes place because

> every

> > one want to supersede the other by enunciating separate solutions to a

> same

> > quarry with out any contrast with earlier one, it becomes difficult for

> > learners like me to decide up on which one of the solution offered is

> > correct(in the absence of immediate feed back) among the various

> solutions

> > so flooded. I see a tendency that prevails among many that they

> seemingly

> > presume to be in a race to establish their identity in the society.

> These

> > lead any mischievous querist to try to encash the disorderly conditions

> in a

> > group, pose a quarry to make the group a laughing stock.

> > Is it a health sign? Are we doing anything good to the subject or

> preserve

> > the sanctity of Vedic Astrology?

> > We may improve the situation, only if the solutions offered are if need

> be

> > debated with out breaking the original thread / creating new thread and

> also

> > with out offending each ones feeling.

> > With regards,

> > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> >

> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala<astro_tellerkerala%40.co.in>

> <astro_tellerkerala%40.co.in>>

> > wrote:

> > om krishna guru,

> >

> > dear leeza shah

> >

> > Again u started flooding with messages ,first u

> > shud respect others time ,u think astrologers r waiting without any job

> > only to answer us chart .

> >

> > some one else answered u and u said u are at home till sept ,in that

> > case even if the first job u mentioned how u would hav taken up ,u want

> > to sit at home and only pay pack shud reach u?

> >

> > May be u forget ,but i mentioned to do some remedies ,which u dont

> > care ,u r interested only to know when u will get ur comforts and all

> > other thing is bakwas,My advise ,pls take it as request --if u dont blv

> > in good karma ,dont blv astrology also ,it is not for some body ,who has

> > internet at home and 100s of forums r there and flooding with message

> > every 4 minits,

> >

> > If u hav any doubts one gentle man ,who has already given some

> > predictions --u shud clarify with him and may be other gurus or senior

> > memebrs will correct him ,if he went wrong .Instead u with u r over

> > selfishness u r creating a aversion for gurus and not to see ur messages

> > .U talked to some one who was kind enough to see ur chart very rudely.

> >

> > It shows how u can not control urself and ur respect and reverence with

> > astrology or gurus .Generaly astrologers r not bound to answer any

> > queries ,with such mannerism and forget the paying part of it .U shud

> > understand that --its also dictum by rishis that --non blvers or those

> > who talk rudely or not giving respect to astrologers ---even if he is

> > king of the country --dont deserve any predictions

> >

> > hope this time u wont feel .

> >

> > otherwise same history repeat in ur life again and again .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > --- In

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic-astrolo\

gy%40>,

> > leeza shah <leeza_bby

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > hello Sir and gurus ,

> > >

> > > my details r 15th oct 1981 , 17;04 pm , mumbai

> > >

> > > I had got a job but I had to leave coz the profile they offered me was

> > so different -- Interview time they agreed on something else.

> > >

> > > Could u pls tell me as to when wud i get a job of my liking.. that is

> > in the SAP field.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > leeza

> > >

> > >

> > > Note.. Resending it again.. sorry for the earlier confusion

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on

> > TV.

> > >

> > >