RE: Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

March 10, 2007

OHM SREE MAATA

Dear Talele,

I will send you some articles to work on Retrograde Planets.

I am doing the same and it is intresting to analyse.

Take your time and let it work in your mind.

Job

Retrograde Vakra Anurag Sharma.

Vakri grahas has strong determination (chesta bala). They promise something

gives abilities and hopes but opportunites are lacking. Therefore this promise

makes one strive hard to get the results. Graha is three times stronger and

delay/denial bring suffering, if this is connected to lagna/ak/lagnesh then one

has very strong determination and will not give up.

Regards,

Learned Members,

There have been queries recently regarding the phenomenon of retrogression/

Vakratwa of Grahas. Some of these have been in independent threads while others

have been intertwined with miscellaneous discussions. On one of these Lists,

Shri Rohini Ranjan referred one of the querents to an article written by him in

the past on this subject. It will be a good idea to visit this article as it

furnishes some personal insights and views of the learned author on the subject.

The link is available at the Vedic Astrology List in the relevant thread.

Some of my thoughts on the subject are laid down here in below. These are only

observations but they are sincere observations made with scholarly intent.

In a recent article on Prashna, Pt. Sanjay Rath taught that the energy of the

retrograde planet is that of a 'Bhupa' or king. This is a good point to start

with. It echoes the classical sentiment, as recorded by Shri Rohini Ranjan in

the aforesaid article as well, that the retrograde planet is full of energy or

'Chestabal'. It has a lot of energy for Cheshta or for effort. Therefore, it is

a powerful planet.

Now, it is also said that retrograde planets delay things they affect in life.

Pt. Rath has also stated that the results linked with the retrograde planet may

even be denied till the planet turns direct in transit. Somewhere Pt. Rath gave

the example of King Bruce and the spider indicating that the areas associated

with the retrograde planet require persistent and ceaseless effort. The idea

here is that the retrograde planet gives conventional struggle and will delay

things. In my view, while I agree that the retrograde planet will delay, it is

important to not view the retrograde planet pejoratively, especially if it is a

benefic. It is usually thought that due to the increase in power, the benefic

planet becomes more benefic and the malefic planet becomes more malefic. In

other words, the planet becomes more powerful to do what it wants to do.

What is the nature of this 'delay'? Why is a given Vakri planet in a chart

delaying something? Is a Vakri planet necessarily mischievous or adverse that it

wants to torment the native with delay? Not really. As always, the person, or a

given life, is to be evaluated from the entire chart. A life theme is to be

gleaned. See the AK, Yogas, Dashas, special Dashas, Vargas...everything to see

what this 'power' or 'intesity' or 'delay' is all about. Is it to hone some

skill not fully developed in past lives? When Rohini Ji says, there is some

internalising effect due to retrogression, it can be gleaned, especially in

charts of contemplative people.

With retrograde planets in the nativity, it might be especially prudent to look

for unusual factors that may point at delay in certain areas, even apart from

the retrograde planet. It is important to see why a planet, especially a benefic

has turned retrograde. The retrograde planet is unusual. It touches areas that

are not usually touched. It is a path-breaker. It is only in this quality of

breaking barriers that it is like Rahu. I do not think that a powerful and

retrograde benefic will become malefic like Rahu. See the Amsha rulers of the

retrograde planet in Vargas to see what sort of activity it is going to

contribute to and whether it is a 'good' unusual or a 'bad' unusual. Not to say

that 'good' and 'bad' are so cut-and-dried.

Look at the chart of Morarji Desai, discussed in Pt. Sanjay Rath's Collected

Papers in Vedic Astrology-Vol. 1. (February 29, 1896; 13:38:00, 4:51 east;72 E

56, 20 N 38). Both the 9th and 10th Lords are retrograde in their exaltation

signs giving effects of debility! This is the chart of a very accomplished

person. The 10th Lord is retrograde in its exaltation sign and in the 2nd House

of resources, a houses that otherwise is a participant in Simhasan Yogas. Also,

the 9th Lord of luck is retrograde in the 5th House of power in its exaltation

sign! Yet, the native achieved a great degree of poilitical prowess. Of course,

the fructification of life potential is seen in the Maharaja Yoga etc but as far

as the Vakratwa of two crucial planets goes, even their effects of debility did

not hinder rising to one of the highest offices of the land.

Thus, retrogression or any other single factor are just that, singular factors,

that have to be studied in the overall context of the charts.

Regards,

Anurag Sharma.

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OHM SREE MAATA

Dear Talele,

Retrogression Visti¡¯s answer on

February 7th, 2007 by Visti Larsen

Published on the Srijagannath forum.

Dear Ramesh, NamaskarThis is aiming towards a more advanced understanding of

retrogression. Consider this to be NEXT level of understanding of the topic.

When we go deeper into retrogression we can no longer settle with simply

recognizing two motions of planets, namely Direct vs. Retrograde, but must now

consider THREE motions namely:Direct - Chara (rajasic state)Stationary -

dvisvabhava (sattvic state)Retrograde - sthira (tamasic state)Here we are taught

in the tradition that the stationary position is a state of recharging, where

the nature of the planets will indicate whether they are 1) meditating (sattvic

grahas); 2) scheming (rajasic grahas); 3) sleeping (tamasic grahas).

Naturally not all the planets can achieve these three states, and hence we are

talking of five grahas namely:Sattvic: Jupiter.Rajasic: Mercury and

Venus.Tamasic: Saturn and Mars.

Here the initial direct motion of the grahas shows them moving towards achieving

their desires, and when they gradually slow down towards stationary they begin

to loose their energy and whichever yogas associated with them, until they

become completely helpless/inactive when in stationary itself.Having come out of

the stationary position and begin their retrogression they are all eager to

achieve their desires with new found strength, however, the tamasic grahas

coming out of their slumber can be utterly destructive and can completely

devastate their house position due to the intense anger/sorrow they have

suffered from loosing their abilities during their stationary position.As a

result the worst placement for tamasic grahas during their retrogression is i)

their own sign and ii) exaltation.Hence, such a position of a tamasic graha

should not be in kendra or trikona as they will devastate their signs position.

So we can infer: a retrograde malefic/tamasic graha is like a curse when in own

sign/exaltation and in the beneficial houses i.e. kendra and trikona, as it

completely devastates these houses. Whereas his placement in dusthana when in

own sign/exaltation will act like a vipareet raja yoga and destroy

enemies.Opposite will happen in his debilitation sign.

Example 1: Sri Rama (Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn in exaltation; Moon

and Lagna in Cancer; Mercury in Taurus; Rahu and Ketu in Sagittarius and Gemini

respectively)

In the chart of Sri Rama Saturn is opposite the Sun and must thus be retrograde.

Saturn is in his exaltation sign in a kendra which is a very negative position

and will devastate the fourth house indications. When the Moola Dasa of Saturn

began Sri Rama was exiled from his home (fourth house) due to the actions of a

step mother (fourth house - Saturn).

Example 2: Sri Ramakrishna ParamahamsaFebruary 18, 1836Time: 6:23:27Time

Zone: 5:50:56 (East of GMT)Place: 87 E 44¡ä 00¡å, 22 N 53¡ä 00¡å

Aquarius is the Lagna and three planets viz. Saturn, Jupiter and Mercury are

retrograde. Among these Saturn is retrograde in the ninth house in exaltation.

Whilst Saturn and Jupiter both associated wit the ninth house indicating

blessings after joining a spiritual lineage, the position of Saturn being retro

and exalted brings a negative influence on the ninth house.The effects of

poverty, hunger, etc. and all the amenities of the lifestyle of an ascetic are

indicated. However, Saturn is the lagna lord and indicates that HE chose this

lifestyle, and thus a real tapasvi is born from this yoga.

Now, a benefic planet be it sattvic or rajasic will carry somewhat different

characteristics. The sattvic Jupiter is like a sage coming out of meditation and

is eager to bless the world with mantras, knowledge, etc. As a result he is in a

very giving mood and if he is placed in his sign of debilitation there is NO

GIVING as he has nothing to give. Yes, he is aiming towards exaltation as that

is his desire, but how much of this can he give?Similarly the rajasic planets

are aiming towards growth and prosperity, but without money (debilitation) how

will they grow?

Hence when a BENEFIC is retrograde, then his placement in debilitation is ONLY

auspicious when in Dusthana. Otherwise in kendra or trikona he will act like a

curse.Opposite will happen in the exaltation sign.

Example 3: Insanity Case - VRAAugust 10, 1949Time: 9:01:12Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 85 E 50¡ä 00¡å, 20 N 30¡ä 00¡å

The lagna is Virgo and Jupiter is retrograde in the chart. Jupiter is placed in

the fifth house in debilitation thus indicating a terrible durbhagya from past

life. This is substantiated by Jupiter being afflicted by Sun and Mars

(fire/burning), as Jupiters vargottama placement indicates that it will affect

the first house adversely where health, intelligence will suffer as a

result.This happens in the fifth house of mantra and bhakti and can show wrong

mantras/thoughts guiding the native and leading towards the problem. This is

especially so with Jupiter being badhakesh placed here as a severe pisacha

badhak and sarpa dosha exists in the chart.

The native dabbled in black magic and some of the darker tantric practices,

which resulted in him loosing his mental balance after an accident involving the

burning down of a building, he developed scizophrenia.

Now, there is more to consider here such as the INTENSITY of the retrogression,

as a planet who is ending his retrogression has his desires fulfilled and will

not be as destructive, whilst one who has just begun is full of energy and

desires. I will leave this aspect of the discussion to a future publication.

Yours sincerely,¨CVisti Larsen

Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:13:20 -0800vedic astrology:

talele: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:13:00 +0000[vedic astrology]

Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:Hi Gurujans,How do an individual judge retrograde planet ,

does he take positiveor negative, Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in

very excited state, Theygive results very sudden and are unpredictable,Few of

them take is negative,In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde planets

in LAGNA,and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on moving wrong,I

would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT PREDICTION, Just letme know how to

judge retrograde planet.Please do let me know, How you will judge this, Because

her educationlord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD education, and lots

more...2-April-198016:54Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)cheersTalele

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March 10, 2007

As per my limited knowledge and understanding of astrology;

Retrogration of a planet is related with its strength and influence over a

nativity. If the concerned planet is benefic, it will have more power to

provide benefic results, if malefic vice-versa.

Smt. Anju Sharma

www.globalastrologers.com

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balkrishnatalele

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

[vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

Hi Gurujans,

How do an individual judge retrograde planet , does he take positive

or negative,

Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in very excited state, They

give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

Few of them take is negative,

In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde planets in LAGNA,

and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on moving wrong,

I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT PREDICTION, Just let

me know how to judge retrograde planet.

Please do let me know, How you will judge this, Because her education

lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD education, and lots more...

2-April-1980

16:54

Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)

cheers

Talele

March 10, 2007

Dear Anju Sharma

God Bless U

In My Opinion All depends on the star lord of the planet if it is direct

retrogration doesn't matter at all.

Prem Chopra

www.freewebs.com/pramchopra42

ju Sharma " <globalastrologers wrote:

As per my limited knowledge and understanding of astrology;

Retrogration of a planet is related with its strength and influence over a

nativity. If the concerned planet is benefic, it will have more power to provide

benefic results, if malefic vice-versa.

Smt. Anju Sharma

www.globalastrologers.com

-

balkrishnatalele

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

[vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

Hi Gurujans,

How do an individual judge retrograde planet , does he take positive

or negative,

Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in very excited state, They

give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

Few of them take is negative,

In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde planets in LAGNA,

and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on moving wrong,

I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT PREDICTION, Just let

me know how to judge retrograde planet.

Please do let me know, How you will judge this, Because her education

lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD education, and lots more...

2-April-1980

16:54

Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)

cheers

Talele

March 11, 2007

well, it can be.

Smt. Anju Sharma

www.globalastrologers.com

-

Pram Chopra

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

Dear Anju Sharma

God Bless U

In My Opinion All depends on the star lord of the planet if it is direct

retrogration doesn't matter at all.

Prem Chopra

www.freewebs.com/pramchopra42

ju Sharma " <globalastrologers wrote:

As per my limited knowledge and understanding of astrology;

Retrogration of a planet is related with its strength and influence over a

nativity. If the concerned planet is benefic, it will have more power to provide

benefic results, if malefic vice-versa.

Smt. Anju Sharma

www.globalastrologers.com

-

balkrishnatalele

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

[vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???

OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

Hi Gurujans,

How do an individual judge retrograde planet , does he take positive

or negative,

Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in very excited state, They

give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

Few of them take is negative,

In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde planets in LAGNA,

and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on moving wrong,

I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT PREDICTION, Just let

me know how to judge retrograde planet.

Please do let me know, How you will judge this, Because her education

lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD education, and lots more...

2-April-1980

16:54

Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)

cheers

Talele

March 11, 2007

Dear Members:

A retrograde planet attains " Cheshta bala " - one of the six sources

of shadbala of a planet. Even a debilitated planet in retrograde

motion will attain strength by virtue of its retrograde motion.

Actually retrograde planets indicate past life imprints regarding

that sector of life indicated by the planet concerned.

Apart from the above, retrograde planets indicate certain special

tendencies in the natives concerned. I am listing that below:

Mercury retrograde in the natal chart indicates that the native may

be highly introspective (to the extent that the native may have full-

blown conversations or discussions with an alter-ego within

themselves in certain cases; this is not a psychopathic condition

but a case of hyper-developed conscience or inner voice!). These

individuals frequently talk to themselves within themselves and can

motivate themselves. They show unusual intelligence with numbers.

Jupiter retrograde gives indomitable will power to a

native. " Mission impossible " churns them on to challenge; they are

born to take on tasks that others will find unappealing. This is

the sign of a potential crusader who dares to differ and chalk his

own path in life. Challenges spur them on. They succeed where

others fail usually. An entrepreneur who buys a sick unit and

dramatically turns it around to a winning combination within years

probably will have retrograde Jupiter in natal chart.

Venus retrograde gives unusual or eccentric tastes for an

individual. They have unique preferences especially in romantic

matters.

Mars retrograde signifies the warrior with a never-say-die

attitude. They possess wonderful equanimity of mind even though

their outer expressions may betray their powerful emotions. This is

a potentially advantageous planetary motion for a General or a

surgeon who have to take instant decisions within specified time

without any tremblings of the heart to spoil their calculations.

Saturn retrograde gives a loner attitude. Though the person may

seem to be outwardly gregarious, they live a life for themselves

within themselves. If other indications in the chart support it,

these persons become ascetics in later life having understood the

futility of this material existence.

Apart from this, if an astrologer wants to know the effects of Sun

or Moon retrograde......what should you conclude?......THE

ASTROLOGER HAS TO GET HIS BASICS IN ASTRONOMY STRONG because the

luminaries Sun and Moon have no retrograde motion as the placement

of planets with respect to the Sun only cause this apparent

phenomenon called retrograde motion. Moon being a reflection of Sun

is never retrograde. The nodes are always retrograde!

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

vedic astrology , " Smt. Anju Sharma "

<globalastrologers wrote:

>

> well, it can be.

>

> Smt. Anju Sharma

> www.globalastrologers.com

> -

> Pram Chopra

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do

astrologer take???

>

> Dear Anju Sharma

>

> God Bless U

>

> In My Opinion All depends on the star lord of the planet if it

is direct retrogration doesn't matter at all.

>

> Prem Chopra

>

> www.freewebs.com/pramchopra42

>

> ju Sharma " <globalastrologers wrote:

> As per my limited knowledge and understanding of astrology;

> Retrogration of a planet is related with its strength and

influence over a nativity. If the concerned planet is benefic, it

will have more power to provide benefic results, if malefic vice-

versa.

>

> Smt. Anju Sharma

> www.globalastrologers.com

> -

> balkrishnatalele

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

> [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How do astrologer

take???

>

> OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

>

> Hi Gurujans,

> How do an individual judge retrograde planet , does he take

positive

> or negative,

>

> Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in very excited

state, They

> give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

>

> Few of them take is negative,

>

> In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde planets in

LAGNA,

> and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on moving wrong,

> I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT PREDICTION, Just

let

> me know how to judge retrograde planet.

>

> Please do let me know, How you will judge this, Because her

education

> lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD education, and lots

more...

>

> 2-April-1980

> 16:54

> Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)

>

> cheers

> Talele

>

March 11, 2007

Pandit Dakshinamurthiji,

Thank you verymuch for a nice description about the retrograde planets. This

is a wonderful piece information. Nobody has described it in this way. You may

through some more light on the subject whenever you deem it right.Thanks once

again.

K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: