is jyotish a true science (a layman's doubt)

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OHM NAMO NARAAYENAAYE

Dear list member,

You have presented your thoughts about the way Jyotish is applied.

Basically it is only Brahma who knows exactly what is going to happen.

Of course Brahma is not interested what will happen, because that would mean

that there is something that is separated from Him which can be known. But

Brahma is not like that, it is only we human beings that are eagerly striving in

coming to know what is separated by something. And this viewpoint is called

Maya.

So when you only look from the prospective of the human as he is now, we have to

rely upon the mind who is presenting the split viewpoint in existence.

And because all that is known by the mind is in the passed, and not from the

realm of what is called the NOW, because the mind cannot know what is in the

now, we do remember what has been told by the sages and what is written down in

the scriptures.

So in a way we are copying what has been told by the sages.

The keenness in this is that what has been told in the scriptures is in relation

with the position of the Planets which are moving in a regular way, and this

regularity is nothing but what has to be translated and expressed by the

astrologer.

But still this is an attempt to cover the whole Existence which basically is

what we are, Brahma.

Doubt is an expression that is the opposite of faith. (again mind work)

When Rahu is in 5th House, then there can be confusion because Rahu is a natural

unseen Planet and poisons, and doubts that god is there. Root cause is doubt; in

what is taught to you and in what you do. Doubt leads to confusion.

So if you have to use your mind, and what else are we using, it needs an order

that is capable of understanding and ordening the amount of divisions and

possiblities so that the Oness is seen. So lets start with Jyotish to order the

mind.

 

Job

 

 

 

vedic astrology: wisdomcompassion: Wed,

28 Feb 2007 08:31:34 +0000[vedic astrology] is jyotish a true science

(a layman's doubt)

 

 

 

 

dear members and gurujisi have been reading jyotish for some time, and in past

as well i believd in it quite fairly, but seeing the postings on these pages and

reading it and otherwise observing the field, i have started doubting it because

those people who are experts have so different opinions, they are mostly adding

information to other experts, putting forth different arguments, and have

different opinions on the basis of different individual astrological

experiences. and there are so many system of predicting and on web i see people

developing new systems, and making research on the basis of available kundli

(which means we are fitting life events of people according to the grahas in

kundlis, whereas the purpose of jyostish is to predict life events!!)another

thing is that i feel the prediction is based on the psychology of the person

predicting, if i put forth a kundli saying about good events, asrologers start

finding good points, that is good points are exaggerated and bad points are

ignored, but if i put forth a kundli(of a middle class average person) and state

bad events, astrologers start seeing the kundli from negative perspective. if

astrology is so opinion based then the degree of accuracy is considerably

unreliable. for me it is shocking because me and some other people are making

some of the important decisions on the basis of patrika (marriage, job etc. are

very important decisions indeed!) if all combinations of a particular bhav are

pointing towards one thing (good or bad) then only reliable prediction can be

based otherwise everything becomes opinion based.i hope my doubts be clarified

by esteemed members and astrologers. I M NOT SAYING THAT I DONT BELIEVE IN IT,

BUT I HAVE BEGUN TO DOUBT THE ACCURACY OF THE PREDICTIONS and also the basis. i

hope my doubts would be clarified, i m novice and hope the experts would give me

right direction. I HOPE THIS WOULD BE TAKEN IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT TO CLEAR THE

DOUBTS OF GENERAL PUBLIC.regards

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The same thing applies to any science- Physics(scientists argued for

100s years of matter was wave or particle), biology(disagreement on

mechanics of evolution), quantum mechanics vs string theorists, Bing

bang vs Constant Universe vs Many worlds theory.........

 

I could go on & on & on. So arent these sciences as well?

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Jyotish

 

Astrology is called Jyotish , which means " science of light. "

Astrology is the science of understanding the subtle influences that

come to us from the universe. These influences are a reflection of

the law of karma. Here, both fate and free will are at play. Fate

means that our present circumstances are a result of our actions from

previous lives. The external events of our lives are ruled by past

karma - over this we have little control. Free will means that our

future is shaped by our actions in the present.

 

Astrology can help us to understand how to optimize our potential so

our lives develop according to our true destiny. It gives us an idea

of the trends and periods of life - when to act and when not .It

helps us to understand our weaknesses, where we may need to put

extra attention in order to attain fullness in our lives. It offers

practical remedial measures that can help to alleviate areas of

difficulty in the chart.

 

Astrology holds that spiritual practices help to minimize the effects

of karma. The main remedial measures of Astrology are also spiritual

and consist of rituals, mantras and meditation. Propitiation of the

planets through rituals and other prescribed measures is an integral

part of Astrology. Each planet has a deity, whose name can be

chanted, and associated articles, which can be offered in worship or

given in charity.

 

 

 

The Science of the Stars

 

Astrology is the study of the planets' position and direction

relative to a certain celestial body [either the Sun (heliocentric

astrology) or the Earth (geocentric astrology)] and its potential

influence on a natural organism [a single being, or a population

(such as a town, country, continent, etc.,].

 

Astrology uses a birth chart to map the positions of the planets

relative to the location and moment of birth. The interpretation of

the chart incorporates the angular relationships between the planets

and the signs of the zodiac, the area of the chart in which they fall

and other symbolic indicators to examine the different experiences

and psychology of the individual. For centuries, astrologers have

theorized that the positioning and movement of the heavenly bodies

can have enormous consequences for a person. Today, they use that

information to counsel individuals about emotional, professional or

health-related problems.

 

The " science of the celestial bodies, " Astrology may be considered to

have been the first true science, and is a sort of transcendental

metaphysics. A form of divination based on the ancient adage, " As

above, so below. " An Astrologer uses planetary positions and

alignments at the time of one's birth to help foretell the future and

to evaluate one's potential strengths and weaknesses.

 

Astrology in the hands of a genuinely knowledgeable and experienced

person can provide very good, clear and precise guidance as well as

providing forewarning for potential pitfalls.

 

An ancient oracle and system based on the belief that planetary,

zodiac/constellation cycles influence human and earthly affairs.

Modern astrologers will find meaning and purpose in the stars. They

recognize the astrological influences on historical events and they

have refined their interpretation of individual

behavior.

 

The main remedies offered by Jyotish for bringing balance into life

involve the wearing of gemstones, performance of pujas (sacred

rituals designed to remove harmful forces or enhance positive

forces), and performance of personal spiritual practices.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " Shantnu " <shanracer

wrote:

>

> The same thing applies to any science- Physics(scientists argued for

> 100s years of matter was wave or particle), biology(disagreement on

> mechanics of evolution), quantum mechanics vs string theorists, Bing

> bang vs Constant Universe vs Many worlds theory.........

>

> I could go on & on & on. So arent these sciences as well?

>