Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Welcome friends, the most difficult part that I ecounteredd in learning the lal-kitab was I) there was no single book which incorporated all the editions of the lal-kitab issued by Pt.Girdhari lal & Pt. Joshi at various intervals II) The meanings of words written in classic Urdu/sometimes persian language. III) Ambiguities in different translations. IV) People having original lalkitabs in urdu have sort of monopolized them and no one isn't willing to part with even a photocopy what to say of publication and then they give the impression that there are some secret ingredients in them. Just the same what they did with the Vedas in the past .Fortunately for me our group member Prabhakar ji is willing to fill in the blanks. Moreover we also have our lalkitabeji. So the foremost thing that I thought was to compile subject(chapter ) wise all the editions together and translate them into English. Shri Lalkitabee ji and Shri Yograj Prabhakar have in there possession, the original lalkitabs in urdu, and also have good command over urdu, thereby I would request them to rectify the mistakes and fill in the missing blanks, which are missing in all the translated versions. I would further request Rakesh Sahgal to improve the language content of these chapters and to Shri MUDIT(UMESH) ji to put them in the files section after they are fully rectified and edited. Instead of cramming the grammar, it helps to understand it step by step until it becomes your Flesh and blood. This can be done, if we first of all study the 12 houses and then the 9 planets. THE TWELVE HOUSES HOUSE NO.I 1939-42 EDITION GHAR PAHLA HAI TAKHT HAZARI, GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDALI KA; JYOTISH ME ISE LAGAN BHI KAHTE, JHAGDA JAHAN ROOH- MAYA KA. The first house is the throne i.e. the governing house of the horoscope, and its governing planet is like a king, hence of paramount importance. This house is also referred as lagna in classical jyotish, which sees a constant conflict between the soul and the illusion created by self. POORVA TARAF, PAKKA GHAR SURYA, PAROPKAR CHAVANI KA; WAZOOD, MAKAAN, ROOH, NAMAK BHI GINTE, ZAMANA HAAL KAMMAI KA. It represents East direction, is the Permanent house of Sun, shows/governs 25% of the charity works to be undertaken by the native, determines individuality, dwelling, soul, salt(loyalty), running norms and the native's equation with them, and the income generated by the native. CHAR DIWARI, TEH KE GOSHE, SEENG MUVESHI KHARE HON JOKE; RAJ TALUK, RANG HO GUR KE, RASAM PURANI, SAAZ SAFAR KE. Boundary wall of the dwelling and the rooms constructed in it, Cattle with upright horns, Access to the galleries of power, colour of Jaggery(coppery-Red), native's faith in old customs and traditions, means of luxury/necessities/amenities at the disposle of the native. KAKSH JHILI JO PAIDA HONGE……………………………………………..; ………………………………………………NAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. TO BE FILLED BY LALKITABBE JI AND PRABHAKAR JI. Every one who is born in this world shall have name and fame according to the strength of this house. PAHAL GHAR SARA TAKHT GINA TO, SATVAAN RAKHNE KI DHARTI HO' SATVAAN HI GHAR KHALI HOVA, ULTA TAKHT WHO 24 HO. If we consider the first house to be the throne of the horoscope, then 7th is the platform on which it is placed. However if the 7th house is vacant, the throne is upturned in the 24th year……Contd in the next stanza SAAL 24 SE JITNE AAGE DUSHMAN GRAH US AATA HOO; TAKKAR AISI US GRAH HOGI, AAGE NA VOH CHALTA HO; If some enemy planet occupies this house in the varhaphal after 24 years, it offers such great resistance to it that it will not be able to proceed even two steps. LAGAN AGAR KHUD KHALI TO KISMAT SAATH NA AAIE HO; KISMAT USKE SAATVEN BAITHE YA GHAR CHAUTHE , DASVEN HO. If this house is vacant the destiny is not accompanying the native, his destiny is seated in the 7th,4th,or in the 10th house. MUTHI KE GHAR CHARON-1,4,7,10 KHALI, 9,3,11,5VEIN HO; YEH GHAR BHI KHALI HOVE,2,6,12,8 VEIN HO. If the Kendra sthanas 1,4,7,10 are also vacant then it lies in 9,3,11,5th house GHAR BARAH HI GHOOM KE DEKHO, UNCH,KAYAM YA GHAR KA JO; KISMAT KA WO MALIK HOGA, BAITHA TAKHT PAR ISKE HO. Observe all the twelve houses one by one, the planet that is exalted, independent,or owner will be the governing or dominating factor in the horoscope and govern all others viz a viz this house. GHAR PEHLA JAB RAJ HUKUMAT, SAT WAZIRI HOTA HAI; GAR DO MEIN KOI DUSHMAN HOVE, SAATH FAKIRI HOTA HAI. If first hose is the ruler(King), 7th is his minister, if one of these occupants is an enemy of the other miserliness ( Devotion to god) is accompanying. UNCH NICH GRAH KE JO GINE HAIN VO NAHIN IN GHARON MEIN LADTE HAIN; BAKI GRAH SAB JHAGDA KARTE, UMAR SE BHI VOH MARTE HAIN. The exalted and the debilitated planets of these 2 houses(1 & 7) do not have any tussle amongst themselves, rest of the planets fight amongst themselves and also rendered ineffective when there term is over. TAKHT PAR BAITHA NAR GRAH RAJA, DOOSRON SE VOH STRI HAI; LE DE 7VEIN ISKI AURAT, BETI, (BUDH SHUKRA) DO BAITHTI HAI. If a male planet is occupying this house he acts like a king,. But his position viz a viz other planets is of like a female. The seventh house is permanently occupied by his daughter (mercury) and wife (venus) JYUADA IK SE GHAR PEHLE MEIN NAR GRAH STRI HOTI HAI; JO GINTI MAGAR HO RAJA, ALAHDA RAI COMMITIEE HOTI HAI. If two or more planets occupy this house, the combined effect is that of a female planet, which may be DE-JURE a king but infact have separate results to offer. ZAAHIRA BESHAK TEEN HO BAITHE, GINTI CHAR KI HOTI HAI; AKELE PEHLE BAHUT HO SAAT VEIN, GRAH PHAL RASHI HOTI HAI. Cont from above—Apparently they may be three planets but they shall be counted as four, if there is only one planet in the first house and many in the 7th, The result of the planets having these houses as permanent housei.e. sun-1st, mer & venus-7th will be considered a rashi planetsi.e. doubtful planets. RAVI SHANI BUDH MANGAL TEVE KAHIN BHI ISKE BAITHEIN HO VAISE HI GHAR PEHLA KE US TEVE MEIN HOTE HOON. The position of this house viz a viz the horoscope shall be construed according to the position of mercury, sun , Saturn and mars in the horoscope Other important points in summary. HOUSE NO.I REPRESENTS; 1. One's own physique, one's own physical body, whole individuality and existence, , nature, temperament special directions on one's hand, , means of livelihood , personal income, Treasure, mental prowess, soul, Anger, One quarter of charity, and self dignity 2. Those mammals(animals born out of the womb) whose horns are in upright position 3. Represents east direction, one's own dwelling house. Personal seat ( of authority), Rooms constructed in the area surrounded by boundary wall. 4. Conveyance of luxury, Help from Divine power. 5. Access to the galleries of power, Status occupied in society 6. Old customs and traditions related to houses etc., 7. Period of youth, prevalent norms(zamana) . Present Birth. Connectives and ties that one is binded with in the present birth., connectivity with dead. 8. Sun always lends support to the planet occupying this planet along with it irrespective of friendship or enmity. Rahu is of rashiphal in this house. The planet occupying this house shall move with the speed of a Ram. This house is the courtyard of house no.7 and Venus is the deciding factor (MUNSIF) of this house.Like the coppery red jaggery like luster of the Sun, apparently separate in worldly term will have the combined courage of a king and his Queen. 9. Sun is exalted and Saturn debilitated in this house, Mars is the owner of this house( Ghar Ka Grah) 10. Rahu is of rashi phal i.e. doubtful effect in this house. 11. Sun's body is like of shining jaggery(Bright coppery red) 1952 EDITION;- ADDITIONS; UCH PAE GRAH UTTAM KITNE, DASTI LIKHA VIDHATA KA HO; KHALI PADA GHAR 7 JAB TEVE, SHAKI ASRA KUL GRAH KA HO. The destiny of the native is carved by the beneficial planets, if the 7th house is unoccupied, the effect/result of all the planets becomes doubtful. LAGNA BAITHA GRAH TAKHT NISHANI, RAJ SHAHI TAB KARTA HO; AANKH GINA GHAR 8 HAI USKI, 11 SE HARDAM CHALTA HO; The planet occuping this house is rules like a soverign , whose eyes are house no.8 and is operated by house no. 11 ULTA TAKHT PAR BAHUT HO SAT MEIN, RAJ WAZIRI HOTI HAI. ULT GAYA MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHE, JAD SATVEIN KI KAT TI HAI This throne is usurped by the planets in the seventh when there are more plantets in house no7 then I house no.1 UNCH NICH JO GINE GHARON KE VO NAHIN IK SAATH LADTE; BAKI GRAH SAB JHAGDA KARTE, UMAR SE BHI VOH MARTE HAIN. Done above. I am deliberately leaving the upayas part which shall be and should be done after understating the characteristics of the planets. To be contd kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Dear Kulbirji, Great effort. Will you carry on this work? bye Sheikh Pervez Hameed Lal-KitabAstrology , " Kulbir Singh Bains " <ceetabains> wrote: > > Welcome friends, > the most difficult part that I ecounteredd in learning the lal- kitab was > I) there was no single book which incorporated all the editions of the > lal-kitab issued by Pt.Girdhari lal & Pt. Joshi at various intervals > II) The meanings of words written in classic Urdu/sometimes persian > language. > III) Ambiguities in different translations. > IV) People having original lalkitabs in urdu have sort of monopolized > them and no one isn't willing to part with even a photocopy what to > say of publication and then they give the impression that there are > some secret ingredients in them. Just the same what they did with the > Vedas in the past .Fortunately for me our group member Prabhakar ji is > willing to fill in the blanks. Moreover we also have our lalkitabeji. > So the foremost thing that I thought was to compile subject (chapter ) > wise all the editions together and translate them into English. Shri > Lalkitabee ji and Shri Yograj Prabhakar have in there possession, the > original lalkitabs in urdu, and also have good command over urdu, > thereby I would request them to rectify the mistakes and fill in the > missing blanks, which are missing in all the translated versions. I > would further request Rakesh Sahgal to improve the language content of > these chapters and to Shri MUDIT(UMESH) ji to put them in the files > section after they are fully rectified and edited. > > > Instead of cramming the grammar, it helps to understand it step by > step until it becomes your Flesh and blood. This can be done, if we > first of all study the 12 houses and then the 9 planets. > > THE TWELVE HOUSES > HOUSE NO.I > 1939-42 EDITION > > GHAR PAHLA HAI TAKHT HAZARI, GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDALI KA; > JYOTISH ME ISE LAGAN BHI KAHTE, JHAGDA JAHAN ROOH- MAYA KA. > The first house is the throne i.e. the governing house of the > horoscope, and its governing planet is like a king, hence of paramount > importance. This house is also referred as lagna in classical > jyotish, which sees a constant conflict between the soul and the > illusion created by self. > POORVA TARAF, PAKKA GHAR SURYA, PAROPKAR CHAVANI KA; > WAZOOD, MAKAAN, ROOH, NAMAK BHI GINTE, ZAMANA HAAL KAMMAI KA. > It represents East direction, is the Permanent house of Sun, > shows/governs 25% of the charity works to be undertaken by the native, > determines individuality, dwelling, soul, salt(loyalty), running norms > and the native's equation with them, and the income generated by the > native. > CHAR DIWARI, TEH KE GOSHE, SEENG MUVESHI KHARE HON JOKE; > RAJ TALUK, RANG HO GUR KE, RASAM PURANI, SAAZ SAFAR KE. > Boundary wall of the dwelling and the rooms constructed in it, Cattle > with upright horns, Access to the galleries of power, colour of > Jaggery(coppery-Red), native's faith in old customs and traditions, > means of luxury/necessities/amenities at the disposle of the native. > KAKSH JHILI JO PAIDA HONGE……………………………………………..; > ………………………………………………NAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. > TO BE FILLED BY LALKITABBE JI AND PRABHAKAR JI. > Every one who is born in this world shall have name and fame according > to the strength of this house. > PAHAL GHAR SARA TAKHT GINA TO, SATVAAN RAKHNE KI DHARTI HO' > SATVAAN HI GHAR KHALI HOVA, ULTA TAKHT WHO 24 HO. > If we consider the first house to be the throne of the horoscope, > then 7th is the platform on which it is placed. However if the 7th > house is vacant, the throne is upturned in the 24th year……Contd in the > next stanza > SAAL 24 SE JITNE AAGE DUSHMAN GRAH US AATA HOO; > TAKKAR AISI US GRAH HOGI, AAGE NA VOH CHALTA HO; > If some enemy planet occupies this house in the varhaphal after 24 > years, it offers such great resistance to it that it will not be able > to proceed even two steps. > LAGAN AGAR KHUD KHALI TO KISMAT SAATH NA AAIE HO; > KISMAT USKE SAATVEN BAITHE YA GHAR CHAUTHE , DASVEN HO. > If this house is vacant the destiny is not accompanying the native, > his destiny is seated in the 7th,4th,or in the 10th house. > MUTHI KE GHAR CHARON-1,4,7,10 KHALI, 9,3,11,5VEIN HO; > YEH GHAR BHI KHALI HOVE,2,6,12,8 VEIN HO. > If the Kendra sthanas 1,4,7,10 are also vacant then it lies in > 9,3,11,5th house > GHAR BARAH HI GHOOM KE DEKHO, UNCH,KAYAM YA GHAR KA JO; > KISMAT KA WO MALIK HOGA, BAITHA TAKHT PAR ISKE HO. > Observe all the twelve houses one by one, the planet that is exalted, > independent,or owner will be the governing or dominating factor in the > horoscope and govern all others viz a viz this house. > GHAR PEHLA JAB RAJ HUKUMAT, SAT WAZIRI HOTA HAI; > GAR DO MEIN KOI DUSHMAN HOVE, SAATH FAKIRI HOTA HAI. > If first hose is the ruler(King), 7th is his minister, if one of > these occupants is an enemy of the other miserliness ( Devotion to > god) is accompanying. > UNCH NICH GRAH KE JO GINE HAIN VO NAHIN IN GHARON MEIN LADTE HAIN; > BAKI GRAH SAB JHAGDA KARTE, UMAR SE BHI VOH MARTE HAIN. > The exalted and the debilitated planets of these 2 houses(1 & 7) do not > have any tussle amongst themselves, rest of the planets fight amongst > themselves and also rendered ineffective when there term is over. > TAKHT PAR BAITHA NAR GRAH RAJA, DOOSRON SE VOH STRI HAI; > LE DE 7VEIN ISKI AURAT, BETI, (BUDH SHUKRA) DO BAITHTI HAI. > If a male planet is occupying this house he acts like a king,. But his > position viz a viz other planets is of like a female. The seventh > house is permanently occupied by his daughter (mercury) and wife (venus) > JYUADA IK SE GHAR PEHLE MEIN NAR GRAH STRI HOTI HAI; > JO GINTI MAGAR HO RAJA, ALAHDA RAI COMMITIEE HOTI HAI. > If two or more planets occupy this house, the combined effect is that > of a female planet, which may be DE-JURE a king but infact have > separate results to offer. > ZAAHIRA BESHAK TEEN HO BAITHE, GINTI CHAR KI HOTI HAI; > AKELE PEHLE BAHUT HO SAAT VEIN, GRAH PHAL RASHI HOTI HAI. > Cont from above—Apparently they may be three planets but they shall be > counted as four, if there is only one planet in the first house and > many in the 7th, The result of the planets having these houses as > permanent housei.e. sun-1st, mer & venus-7th will be considered a rashi > planetsi.e. doubtful planets. > RAVI SHANI BUDH MANGAL TEVE KAHIN BHI ISKE BAITHEIN HO > VAISE HI GHAR PEHLA KE US TEVE MEIN HOTE HOON. > The position of this house viz a viz the horoscope shall be construed > according to the position of mercury, sun , Saturn and mars in the > horoscope > > Other important points in summary. > HOUSE NO.I REPRESENTS; > 1. One's own physique, one's own physical body, whole individuality > and existence, , nature, temperament special directions on one's hand, > , means of livelihood , personal income, Treasure, mental prowess, > soul, Anger, One quarter of charity, and self dignity > 2. Those mammals(animals born out of the womb) whose horns are in > upright position > 3. Represents east direction, one's own dwelling house. Personal seat > ( of authority), Rooms constructed in the area surrounded by > boundary wall. > 4. Conveyance of luxury, Help from Divine power. > 5. Access to the galleries of power, Status occupied in society > 6. Old customs and traditions related to houses etc., > 7. Period of youth, prevalent norms(zamana) . Present Birth. > Connectives and ties that one is binded with in the present birth., > connectivity with dead. > 8. Sun always lends support to the planet occupying this planet along > with it irrespective of friendship or enmity. Rahu is of rashiphal in > this house. The planet occupying this house shall move with the speed > of a Ram. This house is the courtyard of house no.7 and Venus is the > deciding factor (MUNSIF) of this house.Like the coppery red jaggery > like luster of the Sun, apparently separate in worldly term will have > the combined courage of a king and his Queen. > 9. Sun is exalted and Saturn debilitated in this house, Mars is the > owner of this house( Ghar Ka Grah) > 10. Rahu is of rashi phal i.e. doubtful effect in this house. > 11. Sun's body is like of shining jaggery(Bright coppery red) > > > 1952 EDITION;- ADDITIONS; > UCH PAE GRAH UTTAM KITNE, DASTI LIKHA VIDHATA KA HO; > KHALI PADA GHAR 7 JAB TEVE, SHAKI ASRA KUL GRAH KA HO. > The destiny of the native is carved by the beneficial planets, if the > 7th house is unoccupied, the effect/result of all the planets becomes > doubtful. > LAGNA BAITHA GRAH TAKHT NISHANI, RAJ SHAHI TAB KARTA HO; > AANKH GINA GHAR 8 HAI USKI, 11 SE HARDAM CHALTA HO; > The planet occuping this house is rules like a soverign , whose eyes > are house no.8 and is operated by house no. 11 > ULTA TAKHT PAR BAHUT HO SAT MEIN, RAJ WAZIRI HOTI HAI. > ULT GAYA MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHE, JAD SATVEIN KI KAT TI HAI > This throne is usurped by the planets in the seventh when there are > more plantets in house no7 then I house no.1 > UNCH NICH JO GINE GHARON KE VO NAHIN IK SAATH LADTE; > BAKI GRAH SAB JHAGDA KARTE, UMAR SE BHI VOH MARTE HAIN. > Done above. > > I am deliberately leaving the upayas part which shall be and should be > done after understating the characteristics of the planets. > To be contd > > kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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