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Friends,

 

I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish to inform you

all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge injected into me during

these days. Thank you again.

 

Pathi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Pathiji,

 

You are behaving like a small lovable child who when

hurt, moves away in his shell. I can understand that

by heart all elderly people are like little children

and get offended and hurt easily, but at this time

there was no offence meant by anyone to you. Shri

Bharatji had only voiced his opinions as all of had,

as each perceived it. Nothing wrong in that.

And Shri Bharatji also very wisely and maturely

proclaimed respect and affections every few lines ,

so that You may not take offence.

It was only a clash of opinions which would remain

in every assembly be it of a Doctors,astrologers,

scientists or anyother. This should not be inferred

that one is injecting knowledge into you. Neither

should this be a cause for anyone to leave.

 

Let good sense and healthy critical views

prevail, and let us not get divided and separated.

 

Rest upto you.

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav

wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish to

inform you all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge

injected into me during these days. Thank you again.

>

> Pathi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

I am neither childish nor against accepting views. I was in this group as a

jothish. I realize that I am unfit into this group where great intellectuals

are steaming with views and flags on various other subjects than Jothish. Hence

I decided to be away, for I have neither time nor fortitude to confront these in

this old age. Further, I felt uncomfortable in the tune and language used while

reverence being inserted often to remember Antony's famous oration.

Thank you anyway!

 

However, I am grateful to have befriended couple of those like you and I am

sure I will cherish this for all time. You are always welcome to contact me in

personal level, if I deserve.

 

Regards and blessings.

 

Pathi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sir,

 

Thank you for the reply and blessings.

But jyotish has to be a part of Hinduism and

spiritualism,and once in a while these topics

do come up in almost all the Forums of astrology.

We cannot do away completely with these, as

Vedic Astrology is a integral part of Hindu

religion. About language we cannot do much,

again because we all have studied the same

language in a different way, with various types

of pronunciations, various people due to their

upbringing in separate classes of society and

geographical locations, some well versant, some

not so well versant, some working in particular

offices with refined crowd as co workers

others not so, thus mode of expression and

choice of English grammar and usage of words,may not

always be cultured, as one requires to read. This

has to be overlooked and the essence understood.

 

I request you again to re-consider your decision

and not leave the Group,and allow us the privilege

of your presence and the astrological knowledge which

you may be knowing and have experienced,

which others may not have.

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I am neither childish nor against accepting views. I was in this

group as a jothish. I realize that I am unfit into this group where

great intellectuals are steaming with views and flags on various other

subjects than Jothish. Hence I decided to be away, for I have neither

time nor fortitude to confront these in this old age. Further, I felt

uncomfortable in the tune and language used while reverence being

inserted often to remember Antony's famous oration.

> Thank you anyway!

>

> However, I am grateful to have befriended couple of those like you

and I am sure I will cherish this for all time. You are always welcome

to contact me in personal level, if I deserve.

>

> Regards and blessings.

>

> Pathi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Bhaskar Ji,

 

You can see, those who advoice to be submissive are sometimes more

dogmatic, more stubborn. Mr. Pati has expressed his views but his

greatness or his submissiveness stops him even to read and tolerate

other's views.

 

What more contradiction you want to see! I dont think it's ahimsha or

sahishnuta, it's a fanatism indeed.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Pathiji,

>

> You are behaving like a small lovable child who when

> hurt, moves away in his shell. I can understand that

> by heart all elderly people are like little children

> and get offended and hurt easily, but at this time

> there was no offence meant by anyone to you. Shri

> Bharatji had only voiced his opinions as all of had,

> as each perceived it. Nothing wrong in that.

> And Shri Bharatji also very wisely and maturely

> proclaimed respect and affections every few lines ,

> so that You may not take offence.

> It was only a clash of opinions which would remain

> in every assembly be it of a Doctors,astrologers,

> scientists or anyother. This should not be inferred

> that one is injecting knowledge into you. Neither

> should this be a cause for anyone to leave.

>

> Let good sense and healthy critical views

> prevail, and let us not get divided and separated.

>

> Rest upto you.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> >

> > I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish

to

> inform you all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge

> injected into me during these days. Thank you again.

> >

> > Pathi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Lalitji,

 

I understand all this, but we have to respect age,

which is what we are doing. I have seen life at close

wuarters and know about moral policing, those who do

this,themselves cannot take any single opinion which

may not stand in conformity with their own views,

At that time all moral policing vanishes. I am not

talking of this case, but of others. Even Mahatma

Gandhi who was understood to be ahimsavadi

was not exactly so, in the real sense of the term.

He used to ill treat his own body, starve it, put

it to discomfort, until and unless his demands

were met. I dont like or agree to this, because

one ultimately is torturing the " kaya " which is a

gift of God and not earnt in a Lottery ticket,

and those family members who stand watching helplessly

to a person propogating ahimsa but starving

his own body, are so much pained to see all this.

Ultimately pain is 100% created whether by Violence

or by ahmisavaad to realise ones wishes..

 

This double talk of preaching and practise

we witness all around and daily in Life,

which is why I listen to talks of Satsanga on

The Satsanga channels, but if you ask me to stay

with my family for 2 days with those

same speakers, I will not,

whatever money you offer me, because I know

the senses are stronger than talks and Moral

preaching and it is best to listen to such people

but do not go near them, or one will soon

get disillusioned.

 

The above was for general and not for any

particular person, so none may feel

offended.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Bhaskar Ji,

>

> You can see, those who advoice to be submissive are sometimes more

> dogmatic, more stubborn. Mr. Pati has expressed his views but his

> greatness or his submissiveness stops him even to read and tolerate

> other's views.

>

> What more contradiction you want to see! I dont think it's ahimsha or

> sahishnuta, it's a fanatism indeed.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Pathiji,

> >

> > You are behaving like a small lovable child who when

> > hurt, moves away in his shell. I can understand that

> > by heart all elderly people are like little children

> > and get offended and hurt easily, but at this time

> > there was no offence meant by anyone to you. Shri

> > Bharatji had only voiced his opinions as all of had,

> > as each perceived it. Nothing wrong in that.

> > And Shri Bharatji also very wisely and maturely

> > proclaimed respect and affections every few lines ,

> > so that You may not take offence.

> > It was only a clash of opinions which would remain

> > in every assembly be it of a Doctors,astrologers,

> > scientists or anyother. This should not be inferred

> > that one is injecting knowledge into you. Neither

> > should this be a cause for anyone to leave.

> >

> > Let good sense and healthy critical views

> > prevail, and let us not get divided and separated.

> >

> > Rest upto you.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish

> to

> > inform you all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge

> > injected into me during these days. Thank you again.

> > >

> > > Pathi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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dear bhaskarji,

 

often you lose your temper and blast out the persons But in case of sri

pathi, you have

indeed given a very mature and carefully worded reply, speaking your mind at

the same

time.

 

In deed it is part of our culture to respect age. How do you feel if your

juniors do not care for you?

 

While I think sri Pathi is making a mistake in leaving the forum b, I also

feel people should have freedom to join or leave such forums. I think we

should neither criticize him nor egg too much to stay back. If he is hurt

and he is leaving it, how can you criticize him for getting hurt? People do

not have freedom even to feel hurt??

 

On the other hand, please do not force too much also since it may give a

false sense of prestige and power to people since all said and done, these

groups are more virtual than real . ( I am not saying that the people who

join are virtual)

 

regards,

Kishore patnaik

98492 70729

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/27/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> I understand all this, but we have to respect age,

> which is what we are doing. I have seen life at close

> wuarters and know about moral policing, those who do

> this,themselves cannot take any single opinion which

> may not stand in conformity with their own views,

> At that time all moral policing vanishes. I am not

> talking of this case, but of others. Even Mahatma

> Gandhi who was understood to be ahimsavadi

> was not exactly so, in the real sense of the term.

> He used to ill treat his own body, starve it, put

> it to discomfort, until and unless his demands

> were met. I dont like or agree to this, because

> one ultimately is torturing the " kaya " which is a

> gift of God and not earnt in a Lottery ticket,

> and those family members who stand watching helplessly

> to a person propogating ahimsa but starving

> his own body, are so much pained to see all this.

> Ultimately pain is 100% created whether by Violence

> or by ahmisavaad to realise ones wishes..

>

> This double talk of preaching and practise

> we witness all around and daily in Life,

> which is why I listen to talks of Satsanga on

> The Satsanga channels, but if you ask me to stay

> with my family for 2 days with those

> same speakers, I will not,

> whatever money you offer me, because I know

> the senses are stronger than talks and Moral

> preaching and it is best to listen to such people

> but do not go near them, or one will soon

> get disillusioned.

>

> The above was for general and not for any

> particular person, so none may feel

> offended.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> <%40>,

> " litsol " <litsol wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar Ji,

> >

> > You can see, those who advoice to be submissive are sometimes more

> > dogmatic, more stubborn. Mr. Pati has expressed his views but his

> > greatness or his submissiveness stops him even to read and tolerate

> > other's views.

> >

> > What more contradiction you want to see! I dont think it's ahimsha or

> > sahishnuta, it's a fanatism indeed.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Pathiji,

> > >

> > > You are behaving like a small lovable child who when

> > > hurt, moves away in his shell. I can understand that

> > > by heart all elderly people are like little children

> > > and get offended and hurt easily, but at this time

> > > there was no offence meant by anyone to you. Shri

> > > Bharatji had only voiced his opinions as all of had,

> > > as each perceived it. Nothing wrong in that.

> > > And Shri Bharatji also very wisely and maturely

> > > proclaimed respect and affections every few lines ,

> > > so that You may not take offence.

> > > It was only a clash of opinions which would remain

> > > in every assembly be it of a Doctors,astrologers,

> > > scientists or anyother. This should not be inferred

> > > that one is injecting knowledge into you. Neither

> > > should this be a cause for anyone to leave.

> > >

> > > Let good sense and healthy critical views

> > > prevail, and let us not get divided and separated.

> > >

> > > Rest upto you.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish

> > to

> > > inform you all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge

> > > injected into me during these days. Thank you again.

> > > >

> > > > Pathi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Kishoreji,

 

I agree with you, on the

points mentioned in Your mail.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji,

>

> often you lose your temper and blast out the persons But in case of sri

> pathi, you have

> indeed given a very mature and carefully worded reply, speaking your

mind at

> the same

> time.

>

> In deed it is part of our culture to respect age. How do you feel if

your

> juniors do not care for you?

>

> While I think sri Pathi is making a mistake in leaving the forum b,

I also

> feel people should have freedom to join or leave such forums. I

think we

> should neither criticize him nor egg too much to stay back. If he

is hurt

> and he is leaving it, how can you criticize him for getting hurt?

People do

> not have freedom even to feel hurt??

>

> On the other hand, please do not force too much also since it may give a

> false sense of prestige and power to people since all said and

done, these

> groups are more virtual than real . ( I am not saying that the

people who

> join are virtual)

>

> regards,

> Kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

On 10/27/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalitji,

> >

> > I understand all this, but we have to respect age,

> > which is what we are doing. I have seen life at close

> > wuarters and know about moral policing, those who do

> > this,themselves cannot take any single opinion which

> > may not stand in conformity with their own views,

> > At that time all moral policing vanishes. I am not

> > talking of this case, but of others. Even Mahatma

> > Gandhi who was understood to be ahimsavadi

> > was not exactly so, in the real sense of the term.

> > He used to ill treat his own body, starve it, put

> > it to discomfort, until and unless his demands

> > were met. I dont like or agree to this, because

> > one ultimately is torturing the " kaya " which is a

> > gift of God and not earnt in a Lottery ticket,

> > and those family members who stand watching helplessly

> > to a person propogating ahimsa but starving

> > his own body, are so much pained to see all this.

> > Ultimately pain is 100% created whether by Violence

> > or by ahmisavaad to realise ones wishes..

> >

> > This double talk of preaching and practise

> > we witness all around and daily in Life,

> > which is why I listen to talks of Satsanga on

> > The Satsanga channels, but if you ask me to stay

> > with my family for 2 days with those

> > same speakers, I will not,

> > whatever money you offer me, because I know

> > the senses are stronger than talks and Moral

> > preaching and it is best to listen to such people

> > but do not go near them, or one will soon

> > get disillusioned.

> >

> > The above was for general and not for any

> > particular person, so none may feel

> > offended.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar Ji,

> > >

> > > You can see, those who advoice to be submissive are sometimes more

> > > dogmatic, more stubborn. Mr. Pati has expressed his views but his

> > > greatness or his submissiveness stops him even to read and tolerate

> > > other's views.

> > >

> > > What more contradiction you want to see! I dont think it's

ahimsha or

> > > sahishnuta, it's a fanatism indeed.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Pathiji,

> > > >

> > > > You are behaving like a small lovable child who when

> > > > hurt, moves away in his shell. I can understand that

> > > > by heart all elderly people are like little children

> > > > and get offended and hurt easily, but at this time

> > > > there was no offence meant by anyone to you. Shri

> > > > Bharatji had only voiced his opinions as all of had,

> > > > as each perceived it. Nothing wrong in that.

> > > > And Shri Bharatji also very wisely and maturely

> > > > proclaimed respect and affections every few lines ,

> > > > so that You may not take offence.

> > > > It was only a clash of opinions which would remain

> > > > in every assembly be it of a Doctors,astrologers,

> > > > scientists or anyother. This should not be inferred

> > > > that one is injecting knowledge into you. Neither

> > > > should this be a cause for anyone to leave.

> > > >

> > > > Let good sense and healthy critical views

> > > > prevail, and let us not get divided and separated.

> > > >

> > > > Rest upto you.

> > > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

<%40>,

> > venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am proud that I associated with you for a long time. I wish

> > > to

> > > > inform you all to express how grateful I am to have your knowledge

> > > > injected into me during these days. Thank you again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pathi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Namaste Sri Pathi

 

I do respect the elderly but when it comes to knowledge I do not accept

views that downright disrespect the Knowledge. I wasn't inserting reverence

like you have suggested. I mean every word of mine. I have interacted with

you earlier too and you would have felt the same.

 

Again, if my words did cause you hurt, or your felt insulted by them, I

apologize to you.

 

Jyotish, as a subject is a Vedanga and deeply connected with the knowledge

contained in the Vedas. Infact, in a group floated by Sri Sanjay Rath -

Sohamsa, the focus is of connecting the two. In that sense, Hinduism and

Jyotish is deeply connected. However, I agree that our posts (yours as well

as mine - did not focus on Jyotish or its connection). I saw your post

giving shallow meaning to the knowledge contained in the Vedas, and

therefore, replied. My ignorance is huge but something illogical I cannot

accept, whether or not I am scholar.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 10/27/07, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I am neither childish nor against accepting views. I was in this group as

> a jothish. I realize that I am unfit into this group where great

> intellectuals are steaming with views and flags on various other subjects

> than Jothish. Hence I decided to be away, for I have neither time nor

> fortitude to confront these in this old age. Further, I felt uncomfortable

> in the tune and language used while reverence being inserted often to

> remember Antony's famous oration.

> Thank you anyway!

>

> However, I am grateful to have befriended couple of those like you and I

> am sure I will cherish this for all time. You are always welcome to contact

> me in personal level, if I deserve.

>

> Regards and blessings.

>

> Pathi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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