Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, respected bhaskar ji , Namaskar and pranams Thanks for rememebring me . I was now a days very rarely coming to groups as many of the queries and queriest r the same persons which i met last year and so all our effort s r being waisted.Also no illuminating discussions and more over this transit sani is activating my 8th house of sadhana -spiritual or scriptural i am yet to see.And now more concentrating only one or 2 groups and my personal grooming and study . Even i can say a last example ,i find one man who uses to consult me for what ever he finds unusual in his life (even a dream) since last 9 months atleast,put a query in one group it was regrding starting a new web site for his business .I wondered why he dont ask me directly as i used to entertain him for last 9 months atleast .And i answered in group to start it -- on 29th sept 2007 with a time b4 noon . Then i find the mail in spam folder and opened i find the same mail was addreesed to atleast 25 other astrologers who has group presence in . And then he came to me and started ask me 10 various days with time and its advantage and disadvantage .I got the hint from his chat that he is considering 10 differrent dates which might hav got from various sources ..And its not my job to say others are wrong ,so i cut him short by saying i giv my time ,the rest u can use it according to ur wish and will ,even i find some one giv him one full day as muhurtha . And today in 30th sept 2007 he is asking the question ---for many days he is sufferring business unusualy bad ,So whose advise he followed then why he come back to me >even in the group i was grilled by one senior astrologer (by age) and that also might hav add his confusion .So i find we r not creating any good karma nor people r ready to take proper advise. Now to retrogression of planets ___________________________-- 1) Great astrologer late sri .R santhanam is of the opinion that a planet retrograde motion shows which part of unfinished karma or the more concentration of the soul is in this birth and he asked to consider the karakatwa of planet to see the results . As he is both an expert in parasari or vedic astrology and Nadi astrology which is propounded by sidhas and brigu (i think it shows another line of thought in astrology as shukracharya was guru of demons and brigu is from that lineage or is he shukracharya himself?-i dont know our mythology full ) . 2)sri K N rao consider the vakratwa in transits only and not in native chart .He uses it for timing an event .I hav to read the page or book u r mentioning.But my interaction with those who are close to him they told me he consider only in transits . SO he uses a dasa of 20 years shukra may be showing a big rise . But he uses sani s aspect falling on karma kshetra or lord ,so it may happen for a period of 21/2 years sani s transit in one purticular sign or when he get that aspects jupiter will reduce it to one year or see aspect there if any vakra mars will reduce it to may be 75 days sun may be one month moon may be 2 to 3 days I think he uses this way ,some times in transit when major planets like sani or jup in retro if they aspect this places again (by back ward glance) this event is re confirmed .I think he is using brigu nadi principles which he is very familiar.(rao s direct disciples can re confirm it if i went wrong ) I am like a ekalavya only . When he introduced this theorey all astrologers of vedic parasari school attacked him and said gale is uthartha nahi . But u can usenow many has written so many books on it .Which all call double transit of planets .as they use sani and jup more for events, My experince with south nadis they use it for both natal chart and transits One thing is sure a vakra planet has some thing unusual . See ur chart karma karaka sani is vakra and jeeva karaka jup is vakra ,so first part of life will be differrent as not very many karakas get activated by these planets and in next part when it start aspecting from behind u can see they r being aspected by more planets and more karakatwa will get activated .Which i think u will start experice within a year .Here we hv to use all planetary aspects by parasar or what we call partial aspects . SO this what i could guess with my un matured mind as i am still young,like a milk suckling baby in this jyothish as my guru (nadi ) is sitting in far and not available unless i physicaly visit him and last visit was fruitless as my mother was sick and i hav to rush to kerala ..He sits in Tamil nadu and i am in delhi . Hope this helps charan sparsh regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sunil Nairji, > > Hare RamaKrishna. > Namaste. > > I was missing something/somebody since last 2 days. > But could not figure out what/who . While going > through the previous posts of my short absence here, > I noticed, I was missing You. Where are You ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > Quote from a Book - > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > Page 15. > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > My comments - > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > > story. > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Sunilji, Namaskaar, Sorry, though I read Your mail early morning but wished to reply it in leisure after re-reading your mail. I have nearly stopped giving replies to Queries on Forums, for the same reasons You have given, but do whatever free reading I can, in my personal Life, to compensate. There are many people around who do take sympathy from all astrologers then pit them against each other.So we have to be careful and use discretion while replying. Retrogression in predictive astrology, I use to check when results would be forthcoming for a particular query. ( This is timing of events) If the karaka Lord is retrograde, then the event would be delayed till the Planet becomes Direct, and not only Direct but till it reaches the portion from where it turned Retro. In Prashna Kundli when the Karyesh is Retro then the objective would fail, whatever is the Query. Thus there are other few advantages of retrogression in predective astrology, which normally the astrologers do not reveal. The other details how Shri KN Rao reduces the span of dasha , as per various planetary aspects, is new to me. I have no knowledge about this. This may be done I believe on Ayurdaya calculations - the shloka which was mentioned by Shri Pareshji on this Forum 2-3 days ago. // See ur chart karma karaka sani is vakra and jeeva karaka jup is vakra ,so first part of life will be differrent as not very many karakas get activated by these planets and in next part when it start aspecting from behind u can see they r being aspected by more planets and more karakatwa will get activated .Which i think u will start experice within a year .Here we hv to use all planetary aspects by parasar or what we call partial aspects .// Can You please explain what results can be experienced due to above and when approximately. I am not well versant with above theory, and value your knowledge. You may take your time, theres no hurry. Thanks for the knowledgable mail, regards, Bhaskar. In , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > respected bhaskar ji , > > Namaskar and pranams > > Thanks for rememebring me . > > I was now a days very rarely coming to groups as many of the queries > and queriest r the same persons which i met last year and so all our > effort s r being waisted.Also no illuminating discussions and more over > this transit sani is activating my 8th house of sadhana -spiritual or > scriptural i am yet to see.And now more concentrating only one or 2 > groups and my personal grooming and study . > > Even i can say a last example ,i find one man who uses to consult me > for what ever he finds unusual in his life (even a dream) since last 9 > months atleast,put a query in one group it was regrding starting a new > web site for his business .I wondered why he dont ask me directly as i > used to entertain him for last 9 months atleast .And i answered in group > to start it -- on 29th sept 2007 with a time b4 noon . > > Then i find the mail in spam folder and opened i find the same mail > was addreesed to atleast 25 other astrologers who has group presence in > . > > And then he came to me and started ask me 10 various days with time and > its advantage and disadvantage .I got the hint from his chat that he is > considering 10 differrent dates which might hav got from various sources > .And its not my job to say others are wrong ,so i cut him short by > saying i giv my time ,the rest u can use it according to ur wish and > will ,even i find some one giv him one full day as muhurtha . > > And today in 30th sept 2007 he is asking the question ---for many days > he is sufferring business unusualy bad ,So whose advise he followed then > why he come back to me >even in the group i was grilled by one senior > astrologer (by age) and that also might hav add his confusion .So i find > we r not creating any good karma nor people r ready to take proper > advise. > > Now to retrogression of planets > > ___________________________-- > > 1) Great astrologer late sri .R santhanam is of the opinion that a > planet retrograde motion shows which part of unfinished karma or the > more concentration of the soul is in this birth and he asked to consider > the karakatwa of planet to see the results . > > As he is both an expert in parasari or vedic astrology and Nadi > astrology which is propounded by sidhas and brigu (i think it shows > another line of thought in astrology as shukracharya was guru of demons > and brigu is from that lineage or is he shukracharya himself?-i dont > know our mythology full ) . > > 2)sri K N rao consider the vakratwa in transits only and not in native > chart .He uses it for timing an event .I hav to read the page or book u > r mentioning.But my interaction with those who are close to him they > told me he consider only in transits . > > SO he uses a dasa of 20 years shukra may be showing a big rise . > > But he uses sani s aspect falling on karma kshetra or lord ,so it may > happen for a period of 21/2 years sani s transit in one purticular sign > or when he get that aspects > > jupiter will reduce it to one year or see aspect there if any vakra > > mars will reduce it to may be 75 days > > sun may be one month > > moon may be 2 to 3 days > > I think he uses this way ,some times in transit when major planets like > sani or jup in retro if they aspect this places again (by back ward > glance) this event is re confirmed .I think he is using brigu nadi > principles which he is very familiar.(rao s direct disciples can re > confirm it if i went wrong ) I am like a ekalavya only . > > When he introduced this theorey all astrologers of vedic parasari school > attacked him and said gale is uthartha nahi . > > But u can usenow many has written so many books on it .Which all call > double transit of planets .as they use sani and jup more for events, > > My experince with south nadis they use it for both natal chart and > transits > > One thing is sure a vakra planet has some thing unusual . > > See ur chart karma karaka sani is vakra and jeeva karaka jup is vakra > ,so first part of life will be differrent as not very many karakas get > activated by these planets and in next part when it start aspecting from > behind u can see they r being aspected by more planets and more > karakatwa will get activated .Which i think u will start experice within > a year .Here we hv to use all planetary aspects by parasar or what we > call partial aspects . > > SO this what i could guess with my un matured mind as i am still > young,like a milk suckling baby in this jyothish as my guru (nadi ) is > sitting in far and not available unless i physicaly visit him and last > visit was fruitless as my mother was sick and i hav to rush to kerala > .He sits in Tamil nadu and i am in delhi . > > Hope this helps > > charan sparsh > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji, > > > > Hare RamaKrishna. > > Namaste. > > > > I was missing something/somebody since last 2 days. > > But could not figure out what/who . While going > > through the previous posts of my short absence here, > > I noticed, I was missing You. Where are You ? > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > Page 15. > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > My comments - > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > <pathiav@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the > Fifth > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 > || > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, > your > > > > story. > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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