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Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

 

On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth Chapter of

'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

 

" Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu dviguneekruthamsu hu|

Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 ||

 

Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own exaltation, in the

house of a very friendly planet,or in its retrograde motion, it has its rays

doubled for Ayurdaya purposes.

 

In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the house he

occupies, and being

'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

 

Pathi

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

care Dr. Sreenivasan,

5, Heath Road,

Nettleham,

Lincoln

Ln2 2ZX U.K.

 

 

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Dear Venkatji,

 

I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

are Directed ?

 

I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

learn when we get varied views and different versions.

 

I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

>

> On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth

Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

>

> " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 ||

>

> Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes.

>

> In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the

house he occupies, and being

> 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

>

> Pathi

>

>

> A.V.Pathi,

> care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> 5, Heath Road,

> Nettleham,

> Lincoln

> Ln2 2ZX U.K.

>

>

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.

> Play Sims Stories at Games.

>

>

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Dear Venkatji,

 

In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

reduced by 12th part.

Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

class. And of course " hani " means loss).

 

The above shloka has thus given special impetus

to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

have mentioned this seperately.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Venkatji,

>

> I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> are Directed ?

>

> I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> learn when we get varied views and different versions.

>

> I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> >

> > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth

> Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> >

> > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 ||

> >

> > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

> exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

> retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes.

> >

> > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the

> house he occupies, and being

> > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> >

> > Pathi

> >

> >

> > A.V.Pathi,

> > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > 5, Heath Road,

> > Nettleham,

> > Lincoln

> > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> >

> >

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

> >

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Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

 

 

Retrogression aspects ???

 

Quote from a Book -

Ups and Downs in Career, by,

Shri KN Rao Sahab.

Page 15.

 

SPECIAL RULE

 

" A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

three houses through their aspects and the fourth

through its position. When retrograde it will cover

four additional houses.This special rule is applied

throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

 

My comments -

I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

that point of time, but after so many years,

I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

too, I personally would not mind checking the results

from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

apparent reason is seen otherwise.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Venkatji,

>

> In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> reduced by 12th part.

> Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> class. And of course " hani " means loss).

>

> The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> have mentioned this seperately.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkatji,

> >

> > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > are Directed ?

> >

> > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> >

> > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > >

> > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth

> > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > >

> > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 ||

> > >

> > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

> > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

> > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes.

> > >

> > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the

> > house he occupies, and being

> > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > >

> > > Pathi

> > >

> > >

> > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > Nettleham,

> > > Lincoln

> > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > >

> > >

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> > >

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Hare RamaKrishna.

Namaste.

 

I was missing something/somebody since last 2 days.

But could not figure out what/who . While going

through the previous posts of my short absence here,

I noticed, I was missing You. Where are You ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

>

>

> Retrogression aspects ???

>

> Quote from a Book -

> Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> Page 15.

>

> SPECIAL RULE

>

> " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

>

> My comments -

> I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> that point of time, but after so many years,

> I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> apparent reason is seen otherwise.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkatji,

> >

> > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > reduced by 12th part.

> > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> >

> > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > have mentioned this seperately.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkatji,

> > >

> > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > are Directed ?

> > >

> > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > >

> > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > >

> > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth

> > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > > >

> > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 ||

> > > >

> > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

> > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

> > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes.

> > > >

> > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the

> > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > >

> > > > Pathi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > Nettleham,

> > > > Lincoln

> > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> > story.

> > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Bhaskar Ji,

 

thak you,

 

Pathi

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

care Dr. Sreenivasan,

5, Heath Road,

Nettleham,

Lincoln

Ln2 2ZX U.K.

 

 

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

Sir, accroding to my understanding,

 

in your case.

 

your lagna is 15 deg.

 

your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per

bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

 

but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted.

 

Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in

previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) I

am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But technical

proof of this point is nothing.

 

then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus

system. Why we leave them.

 

Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit

and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot

pretend to be in previous house.

 

May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may find

the true reason then may follow.

 

Warm Regards

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

>

>

> Retrogression aspects ???

>

> Quote from a Book -

> Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> Page 15.

>

> SPECIAL RULE

>

> " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

>

> My comments -

> I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> that point of time, but after so many years,

> I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> apparent reason is seen otherwise.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkatji,

> >

> > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > reduced by 12th part.

> > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> >

> > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > have mentioned this seperately.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkatji,

> > >

> > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > are Directed ?

> > >

> > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > >

> > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , venkatachala pathi

<pathiav@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > >

> > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the

Fifth

> > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > > >

> > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani||

24 ||

> > > >

> > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

> > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

> > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya

purposes.

> > > >

> > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to

the

> > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > >

> > > > Pathi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > Nettleham,

> > > > Lincoln

> > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,

your

> > story.

> > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear tarunji,

 

Good arguments,

 

// your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

OF FIRST HOUSE. //

 

This was the best observation by You. You are now

moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

 

// hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

 

Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

start looking for the effects he has made in his study

of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

and match them with his own conclusions. In the

Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

opposition. We automatically look for them when the

Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

 

//> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

reason.//

 

I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

they say something, then I assume they must have already

spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

which he wished to know previously, some day.

One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

 

// Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.//

 

Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

these planets and they start moving. You would find that

there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

 

At any given point of time we are all newbies in

astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

Jupiter.

 

regards,

bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Sir, accroding to my understanding,

>

> in your case.

>

> your lagna is 15 deg.

>

> your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per

> bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

>

> but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted.

>

> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in

> previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) I

> am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But technical

> proof of this point is nothing.

>

> then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus

> system. Why we leave them.

>

> Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit

> and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot

> pretend to be in previous house.

>

> May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may find

> the true reason then may follow.

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> >

> >

> > Retrogression aspects ???

> >

> > Quote from a Book -

> > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > Page 15.

> >

> > SPECIAL RULE

> >

> > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> >

> > My comments -

> > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkatji,

> > >

> > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > >

> > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > >

> > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > are Directed ?

> > > >

> > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > > >

> > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , venkatachala pathi

> <pathiav@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > >

> > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the

> Fifth

> > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani||

> 24 ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own

> > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its

> > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya

> purposes.

> > > > >

> > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to

> the

> > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pathi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,

> your

> > > story.

> > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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yes you do ask a very good question, Bhaskar, there is definitely different

opinions on the matter of retrograde planets. I mean it is very difficult

question to answer because research on this one would take very much deep

scrutiny. I however do believe that from my intuition and analysis that the

planet that is retrograde does go back to its sign and yes it does then

therefore can aspect from the preceding sign placement. for example I have

jupiter retrograde in the 7th house debilitated, so therefore jupiter does

fall back down the 6th house (dhanus) and aspects from there as well.

Bhaskar, I am impressed by your candid questions as I feel all of us feel

confused. I mean we want to get to the truth of the matter. I mean it is

best for the group if we can derive truth from the principles. it is very

powerful a science then don't you agree? I think as a group we should

compile a list of great questions that perplex great astrologers? for

example this would be a priority on the list.

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Raja,

 

Yes I base my questions on practical astrology on

problems we all may face in day to day, and may not

know whom to ask because no one may have the right

answer for these. At such time the experiences of

others does help in reaching some conclusion, which

may or not be actual truth, does not matter,but

at least would help us in arriving to some

conclusion, when we next time reach that juncture

while studying some chart or the other.

The Forums like these serve as a good platform for

such discussions, as long as one does not try to

force his opinion on another, and leave

one comfortable with whatever is right to him

and works for him.

For both You and me,the next 2 Years would decide,

what is the role of Jupiter in our Charts.

Considering the Jupiter in the 5th House,

in Dhanus (For me too, if I move backwards),

Jupiter is crossing the point starting from 25th

November (I hope I am right on the date, not allowed

to open the Panchang at night).

We will see what the 5th House brings us in

store for the events to unfold. In my case, I would

be performing the marriage of my first child,daughter

in February. What happens in Your case, and in which

department, You would have to share, when it happens.

In Your case it would be the 6th house over which Jupiter

would be crossing. Now mind it we are not talking of

signs , but houses, in our own charts. Some

significations of the 6th house with predominant

effects should pass in Your case. Related to health,

Maternal side-Uncles, Receipt of payments, winning or

passing some Good examination,or competetion with

honours. Or also some legal case would be won, which

may have been pending for few years.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> yes you do ask a very good question, Bhaskar, there is definitely

different

> opinions on the matter of retrograde planets. I mean it is very

difficult

> question to answer because research on this one would take very much

deep

> scrutiny. I however do believe that from my intuition and analysis

that the

> planet that is retrograde does go back to its sign and yes it does then

> therefore can aspect from the preceding sign placement. for example

I have

> jupiter retrograde in the 7th house debilitated, so therefore

jupiter does

> fall back down the 6th house (dhanus) and aspects from there as well.

> Bhaskar, I am impressed by your candid questions as I feel all of us

feel

> confused. I mean we want to get to the truth of the matter. I mean it is

> best for the group if we can derive truth from the principles. it is

very

> powerful a science then don't you agree? I think as a group we should

> compile a list of great questions that perplex great astrologers? for

> example this would be a priority on the list.

>

>

>

> namaskar,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

Thanks alot for praising me.

 

////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

these planets and they start moving. You would find that

there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

////

 

 

Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

 

it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

 

if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then you

will see no one ahead or losing the race.

 

but if the person who is having low radius to travel will complete

the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

 

i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the distance

between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

retrogression completely.

 

Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear tarunji,

>

> Good arguments,

>

> // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> OF FIRST HOUSE. //

>

> This was the best observation by You. You are now

> moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

>

> // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

>

> Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

>

> //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> reason.//

>

> I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> they say something, then I assume they must have already

> spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> which he wished to know previously, some day.

> One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

>

> // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.//

>

> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

>

> At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> Jupiter.

>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> >

> > in your case.

> >

> > your lagna is 15 deg.

> >

> > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as

per

> > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> >

> > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted.

> >

> > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet

in

> > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao)

I

> > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

technical

> > proof of this point is nothing.

> >

> > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

placidus

> > system. Why we leave them.

> >

> > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar

orbit

> > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot

> > pretend to be in previous house.

> >

> > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may

find

> > the true reason then may follow.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > >

> > >

> > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > >

> > > Quote from a Book -

> > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > Page 15.

> > >

> > > SPECIAL RULE

> > >

> > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > >

> > > My comments -

> > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > >

> > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > >

> > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , venkatachala pathi

> > <pathiav@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in

the

> > Fifth

> > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

dwadesabhagahani||

> > 24 ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its

own

> > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in

its

> > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya

> > purposes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

relation to

> > the

> > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their

life,

> > your

> > > > story.

> > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Tarun,

 

I would like to add my perspective here. Yes, it is true that

planets don't actually move backwards. They continue moving in

the same direction as ever.

 

However, for an observer from the earth, at certain points in

time, it appears that these planets start moving in the opposite

direction. It is due to relative motion of earth and the planet

that appears retrograde.

 

How does this affect earth? I assume that earth recieves certain

rays - gravitational or similar from these planets in the form

of waves. Now, as you have studied science I can give the

analogy of Doppler Effect. You have studied that the sound waves

reach an observer in the station with higher density when a

train is moving towards the station and the sound waves reach

the observer with a lower density as the train moves away from

the station. Actually, the train was always moving in the same

direction. But, the motion of the train in relation to the

observer caused different effect on the observer. Similarly, I

believe that when the planets appear to be retrograde in motion,

there is a decrease in the intensity of waves that reaches earth

from them. Hence, this could cause effects which are other than

usual.

 

Hope you will appreciate the effect of retrogression now.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

 

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Thanks alot for praising me.

>

> ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> ////

>

>

> Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

>

> it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

>

> if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then

> you

> will see no one ahead or losing the race.

>

> but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

> complete

> the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

>

> i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

> distance

> between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> retrogression completely.

>

> Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tarunji,

> >

> > Good arguments,

> >

> > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> >

> > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> >

> > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> >

> > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> >

> > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > reason.//

> >

> > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> >

> > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous

> house.//

> >

> > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> >

> > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > regards,

> > bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > >

> > > in your case.

> > >

> > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > >

> > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house

> as

> per

> > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > >

> > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

> counted.

> > >

> > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

> planet

> in

> > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri

> KN Rao)

> I

> > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

>

> technical

> > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > >

> > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

>

> placidus

> > > system. Why we leave them.

> > >

> > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

> solar

> orbit

> > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

> cannot

> > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > >

> > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i

> may

> find

> > > the true reason then may follow.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > >

> > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > Page 15.

> > > >

> > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > >

> > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

>

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Dear Tarunji,

 

Everything is Maya here till one understands the

actual truth.

 

The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

that the Sun is always there..

The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

it is round.

You and me are Maya until we go up.

Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

they understood that it is not a Planet.

When we say that two planets are in conjunction

in same degrees, does not mean that they are

actually kissing each other.

Because when we watch from a point on earth

the angular distance makes them to be seen

together from here,whereas they may be millions of

Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

is Maya.

The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

for actually there may be many more, but we will have

to reach the heavens to know the truth.

The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

know of.

The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

there may be another dimension too which this physical

body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

truth, till we come to know what actually the

truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

that a tiger there nearby.

For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

realisation and intuition coupled

with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

us, that there are no single shot rules working for

cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

 

Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

a train, sitting near the window, and when another

train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

other train which we are watching. This is the same

state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

 

We can never be able to interpret retrogression

completely because there are various angles to each.

 

1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

other retrograde planet.

6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

Planet.

7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

Planet.

8) Retrograde planet in own house.

9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

house in Navamsha chart.

 

I can write another 20 placements like above.

Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

How to contend with so many permutations and

combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

 

But individually answers can be sought and found.

Every astrologer has to search for his own

way and style of judgement which should be changeable

and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

developed, which would give the answer when one is

watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

results written by various famous astrologers, so which

one to believe and which one to not ?

 

This has to be an individual decision.

 

Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

individual to individual.

 

You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

is due from you.

 

At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

interpret Retrogression completely in this world

except God.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Thanks alot for praising me.

>

> ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> ////

>

>

> Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

>

> it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

>

> if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then you

> will see no one ahead or losing the race.

>

> but if the person who is having low radius to travel will complete

> the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

>

> i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the distance

> between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> retrogression completely.

>

> Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tarunji,

> >

> > Good arguments,

> >

> > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> >

> > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> >

> > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> >

> > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> >

> > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > reason.//

> >

> > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> >

> > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.//

> >

> > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> >

> > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > regards,

> > bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > >

> > > in your case.

> > >

> > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > >

> > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as

> per

> > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > >

> > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted.

> > >

> > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet

> in

> > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao)

> I

> > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

> technical

> > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > >

> > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

> placidus

> > > system. Why we leave them.

> > >

> > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar

> orbit

> > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot

> > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > >

> > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may

> find

> > > the true reason then may follow.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > >

> > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > Page 15.

> > > >

> > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > >

> > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > >

> > > > My comments -

> > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > >

> > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , venkatachala pathi

> > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in

> the

> > > Fifth

> > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> dwadesabhagahani||

> > > 24 ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its

> own

> > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in

> its

> > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya

> > > purposes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

> relation to

> > > the

> > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their

> life,

> > > your

> > > > > story.

> > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

you are very correct.

 

i had same view, just lacked the explanation

 

it is the same way when earth is near to sun we have summers and

when earth is away from sun ;we have winters.

why so..?? because we are not receving sun's energy completely.

 

and it is all energy management which makes us to receive the mutual

gravitational force in different ratio.

 

all planets have gravitational force, i.e. north pole and south

pole. and when some other planet is moved out of axis we get some

unbalanced form of energy. which is called counted as negative /

positve influence of retrograde planet.

 

Thanks for taking part in the thread.

 

Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Tarun,

>

> I would like to add my perspective here. Yes, it is true that

> planets don't actually move backwards. They continue moving in

> the same direction as ever.

>

> However, for an observer from the earth, at certain points in

> time, it appears that these planets start moving in the opposite

> direction. It is due to relative motion of earth and the planet

> that appears retrograde.

>

> How does this affect earth? I assume that earth recieves certain

> rays - gravitational or similar from these planets in the form

> of waves. Now, as you have studied science I can give the

> analogy of Doppler Effect. You have studied that the sound waves

> reach an observer in the station with higher density when a

> train is moving towards the station and the sound waves reach

> the observer with a lower density as the train moves away from

> the station. Actually, the train was always moving in the same

> direction. But, the motion of the train in relation to the

> observer caused different effect on the observer. Similarly, I

> believe that when the planets appear to be retrograde in motion,

> there is a decrease in the intensity of waves that reaches earth

> from them. Hence, this could cause effects which are other than

> usual.

>

> Hope you will appreciate the effect of retrogression now.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Thanks alot for praising me.

> >

> > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > ////

> >

> >

> > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> >

> > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

> >

> > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then

> > you

> > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> >

> > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

> > complete

> > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

> >

> > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

> > distance

> > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> > retrogression completely.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear tarunji,

> > >

> > > Good arguments,

> > >

> > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > >

> > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > >

> > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > >

> > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > >

> > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > reason.//

> > >

> > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> > >

> > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous

> > house.//

> > >

> > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > >

> > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > Jupiter.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > >

> > > > in your case.

> > > >

> > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > >

> > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house

> > as

> > per

> > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > > >

> > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

> > counted.

> > > >

> > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

> > planet

> > in

> > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri

> > KN Rao)

> > I

> > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

> >

> > technical

> > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > >

> > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

> >

> > placidus

> > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > >

> > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

> > solar

> > orbit

> > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

> > cannot

> > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > >

> > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i

> > may

> > find

> > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > >

> > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > Page 15.

> > > > >

> > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > >

> > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> >

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail.

 

but i didnt meant anything in it actually.

 

But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's marriage :)

ha ha.

 

sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is right

or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous mail

that i wrote something else i wanted to write.

 

yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of

things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know

what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even commodities.

means living and non-living things.

 

I again apologize if i hurt u.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarunji,

>

> Everything is Maya here till one understands the

> actual truth.

>

> The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

> that the Sun is always there..

> The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

> it is round.

> You and me are Maya until we go up.

> Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

> they understood that it is not a Planet.

> When we say that two planets are in conjunction

> in same degrees, does not mean that they are

> actually kissing each other.

> Because when we watch from a point on earth

> the angular distance makes them to be seen

> together from here,whereas they may be millions of

> Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

> is Maya.

> The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

> for actually there may be many more, but we will have

> to reach the heavens to know the truth.

> The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

> there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

> whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

> body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

> know of.

> The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

> there may be another dimension too which this physical

> body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

> truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

> truth, till we come to know what actually the

> truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

> Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

> never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

> recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

> that a tiger there nearby.

> For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

> without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

> the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

> even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

> of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

> realisation and intuition coupled

> with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

> to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

> astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

> us, that there are no single shot rules working for

> cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

> astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

> Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

> rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

> with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

> to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

>

> Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

> a train, sitting near the window, and when another

> train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

> ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

> is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

> is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

> other train which we are watching. This is the same

> state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

>

> We can never be able to interpret retrogression

> completely because there are various angles to each.

>

> 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

> 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

> 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

> 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

> 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

> other retrograde planet.

> 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

> Planet.

> 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

> Planet.

> 8) Retrograde planet in own house.

> 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

> 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

> 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

> 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

> house in Navamsha chart.

>

> I can write another 20 placements like above.

> Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

> Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

> How to contend with so many permutations and

> combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

>

> But individually answers can be sought and found.

> Every astrologer has to search for his own

> way and style of judgement which should be changeable

> and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

> developed, which would give the answer when one is

> watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

> or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

> find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

> results written by various famous astrologers, so which

> one to believe and which one to not ?

>

> This has to be an individual decision.

>

> Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

> so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

> individual to individual.

>

> You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

> writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

> You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

> is due from you.

>

> At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

> views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

> interpret Retrogression completely in this world

> except God.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Thanks alot for praising me.

> >

> > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > ////

> >

> >

> > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> >

> > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

> >

> > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then

you

> > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> >

> > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

complete

> > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

> >

> > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

distance

> > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> > retrogression completely.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear tarunji,

> > >

> > > Good arguments,

> > >

> > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > >

> > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > >

> > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > >

> > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > >

> > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > reason.//

> > >

> > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> > >

> > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.//

> > >

> > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > >

> > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > Jupiter.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > >

> > > > in your case.

> > > >

> > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > >

> > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house

as

> > per

> > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > > >

> > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

counted.

> > > >

> > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

planet

> > in

> > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN

Rao)

> > I

> > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

> > technical

> > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > >

> > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

> > placidus

> > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > >

> > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

solar

> > orbit

> > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

cannot

> > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > >

> > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may

> > find

> > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > >

> > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > Page 15.

> > > > >

> > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > >

> > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > > >

> > > > > My comments -

> > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , venkatachala

pathi

> > > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference

that in

> > the

> > > > Fifth

> > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is

noted:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> > dwadesabhagahani||

> > > > 24 ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in

its

> > own

> > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or

in

> > its

> > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for

Ayurdaya

> > > > purposes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

> > relation to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -

their

> > life,

> > > > your

> > > > > > story.

> > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Tarunji,

 

You are a smart one, who don't come commonly

but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared

of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and

your arguments too. Because I do not wish to

have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats

all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish

to end up arguing endlessly with you

about which I had some intuitions, a month ago,

that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List,

to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid,

with anybody, and not just with You,

as want to keep the Forum clear

of any heat. As soon as it looks like the

argument is going to end up in a mirage,

I would like to turn away.

 

Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now.

Thats why I said, people like you

dont come easy, but once in a millenium.

I got the first laugh today since morning

on reading your reply on that.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail.

>

> but i didnt meant anything in it actually.

>

> But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's marriage :)

> ha ha.

>

> sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is right

> or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous mail

> that i wrote something else i wanted to write.

>

> yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of

> things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know

> what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even commodities.

> means living and non-living things.

>

> I again apologize if i hurt u.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarunji,

> >

> > Everything is Maya here till one understands the

> > actual truth.

> >

> > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

> > that the Sun is always there..

> > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

> > it is round.

> > You and me are Maya until we go up.

> > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

> > they understood that it is not a Planet.

> > When we say that two planets are in conjunction

> > in same degrees, does not mean that they are

> > actually kissing each other.

> > Because when we watch from a point on earth

> > the angular distance makes them to be seen

> > together from here,whereas they may be millions of

> > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

> > is Maya.

> > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

> > for actually there may be many more, but we will have

> > to reach the heavens to know the truth.

> > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

> > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

> > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

> > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

> > know of.

> > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

> > there may be another dimension too which this physical

> > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

> > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

> > truth, till we come to know what actually the

> > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

> > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

> > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

> > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

> > that a tiger there nearby.

> > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

> > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

> > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

> > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

> > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

> > realisation and intuition coupled

> > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

> > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

> > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

> > us, that there are no single shot rules working for

> > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

> > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

> > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

> > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

> > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

> > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

> >

> > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

> > a train, sitting near the window, and when another

> > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

> > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

> > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

> > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

> > other train which we are watching. This is the same

> > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

> >

> > We can never be able to interpret retrogression

> > completely because there are various angles to each.

> >

> > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

> > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

> > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

> > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

> > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

> > other retrograde planet.

> > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

> > Planet.

> > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

> > Planet.

> > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.

> > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

> > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

> > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

> > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

> > house in Navamsha chart.

> >

> > I can write another 20 placements like above.

> > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

> > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

> > How to contend with so many permutations and

> > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

> >

> > But individually answers can be sought and found.

> > Every astrologer has to search for his own

> > way and style of judgement which should be changeable

> > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

> > developed, which would give the answer when one is

> > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

> > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

> > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

> > results written by various famous astrologers, so which

> > one to believe and which one to not ?

> >

> > This has to be an individual decision.

> >

> > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

> > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

> > individual to individual.

> >

> > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

> > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

> > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

> > is due from you.

> >

> > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

> > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

> > interpret Retrogression completely in this world

> > except God.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks alot for praising me.

> > >

> > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > ////

> > >

> > >

> > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> > >

> > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit.

> > >

> > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then

> you

> > > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> > >

> > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

> complete

> > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time.

> > >

> > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

> distance

> > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> > > retrogression completely.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear tarunji,

> > > >

> > > > Good arguments,

> > > >

> > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > > >

> > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > > >

> > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > > >

> > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > > >

> > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > > reason.//

> > > >

> > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> > > >

> > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.//

> > > >

> > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > >

> > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > > Jupiter.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > > >

> > > > > in your case.

> > > > >

> > > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > > >

> > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house

> as

> > > per

> > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > > > >

> > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

> counted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

> planet

> > > in

> > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN

> Rao)

> > > I

> > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But

> > > technical

> > > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in

> > > placidus

> > > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

> solar

> > > orbit

> > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

> cannot

> > > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > > >

> > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may

> > > find

> > > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > > Page 15.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My comments -

> > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden

> > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet

> > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi,

> > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does

> > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all

> > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they

> > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , venkatachala

> pathi

> > > > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference

> that in

> > > the

> > > > > Fifth

> > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is

> noted:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> > > dwadesabhagahani||

> > > > > 24 ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in

> its

> > > own

> > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or

> in

> > > its

> > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for

> Ayurdaya

> > > > > purposes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

> > > relation to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -

> their

> > > life,

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > story.

> > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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dear Bhaskar,

 

 

 

for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence greatly

your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation correct or

it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the connection

of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore jupiter in

dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and creativity.

but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th house is a

very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only mean good

things.

 

 

 

interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to tarun in

the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that jupiter does

place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also more

importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and shukra go

to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house with sun

(Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. this is a

fascinating maneuver.

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Raja,

 

I am thinking of speculation but will wait for

Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house,

am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first

Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole

Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught

by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works.

Otherwise how would one predict for

long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or

Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running

the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it

is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart

is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti

to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th

in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation

without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits.

 

Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any

mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not

change,but only the house position would change.

 

please now read the results of the planets as under and

combine them-

a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart)

b) Results of planet in new house position.

 

Combine the above, and You are now nearing the

truth about Yourself.

 

regards,

bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> dear Bhaskar,

>

>

>

> for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence

greatly

> your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation

correct or

> it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the

connection

> of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore

jupiter in

> dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and

creativity.

> but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th

house is a

> very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only

mean good

> things.

>

>

>

> interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to

tarun in

> the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that

jupiter does

> place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also more

> importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and

shukra go

> to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house with sun

> (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. this is a

> fascinating maneuver.

>

>

>

> namaskar,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never want

to force my views.

Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit. Even

in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers

were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not

asking wrong question.

Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like to

discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that

doesnt mean i am into arguing.

 

But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything is

controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is shown

is arudha.

Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world see u.

 

Hope to learn more from you.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarunji,

>

> You are a smart one, who don't come commonly

> but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared

> of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and

> your arguments too. Because I do not wish to

> have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats

> all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish

> to end up arguing endlessly with you

> about which I had some intuitions, a month ago,

> that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List,

> to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid,

> with anybody, and not just with You,

> as want to keep the Forum clear

> of any heat. As soon as it looks like the

> argument is going to end up in a mirage,

> I would like to turn away.

>

> Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now.

> Thats why I said, people like you

> dont come easy, but once in a millenium.

> I got the first laugh today since morning

> on reading your reply on that.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail.

> >

> > but i didnt meant anything in it actually.

> >

> > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's

marriage :)

> > ha ha.

> >

> > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is

right

> > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous

mail

> > that i wrote something else i wanted to write.

> >

> > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of

> > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know

> > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even

commodities.

> > means living and non-living things.

> >

> > I again apologize if i hurt u.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tarunji,

> > >

> > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the

> > > actual truth.

> > >

> > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

> > > that the Sun is always there..

> > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

> > > it is round.

> > > You and me are Maya until we go up.

> > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

> > > they understood that it is not a Planet.

> > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction

> > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are

> > > actually kissing each other.

> > > Because when we watch from a point on earth

> > > the angular distance makes them to be seen

> > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of

> > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

> > > is Maya.

> > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

> > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have

> > > to reach the heavens to know the truth.

> > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

> > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

> > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

> > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

> > > know of.

> > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

> > > there may be another dimension too which this physical

> > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

> > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

> > > truth, till we come to know what actually the

> > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

> > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

> > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

> > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

> > > that a tiger there nearby.

> > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

> > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

> > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

> > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

> > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

> > > realisation and intuition coupled

> > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

> > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

> > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

> > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for

> > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

> > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

> > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

> > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

> > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

> > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

> > >

> > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

> > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another

> > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

> > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

> > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

> > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

> > > other train which we are watching. This is the same

> > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

> > >

> > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression

> > > completely because there are various angles to each.

> > >

> > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

> > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

> > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

> > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

> > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

> > > other retrograde planet.

> > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

> > > Planet.

> > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

> > > Planet.

> > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.

> > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

> > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

> > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

> > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

> > > house in Navamsha chart.

> > >

> > > I can write another 20 placements like above.

> > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

> > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

> > > How to contend with so many permutations and

> > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

> > >

> > > But individually answers can be sought and found.

> > > Every astrologer has to search for his own

> > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable

> > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

> > > developed, which would give the answer when one is

> > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

> > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

> > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

> > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which

> > > one to believe and which one to not ?

> > >

> > > This has to be an individual decision.

> > >

> > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

> > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

> > > individual to individual.

> > >

> > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

> > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

> > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

> > > is due from you.

> > >

> > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

> > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

> > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world

> > > except God.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks alot for praising me.

> > > >

> > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > ////

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> > > >

> > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical

orbit.

> > > >

> > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last.

then

> > you

> > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> > > >

> > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

> > complete

> > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of

time.

> > > >

> > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

> > distance

> > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> > > > retrogression completely.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear tarunji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good arguments,

> > > > >

> > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > > > >

> > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > > > >

> > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > > > reason.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> > > > >

> > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous

house.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Tarun "

<tarun.virgo@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in your case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

house

> > as

> > > > per

> > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

> > counted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

> > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri

KN

> > Rao)

> > > > I

> > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that.

But

> > > > technical

> > > > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as

in

> > > > placidus

> > > > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

> > solar

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

> > cannot

> > > > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i

may

> > > > find

> > > > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > > > Page 15.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My comments -

> > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the

Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the

olden

> > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the

Planet

> > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends

Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But

does

> > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We

all

> > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different

versions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what

they

> > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , venkatachala

> > pathi

> > > > > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference

> > that in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Fifth

> > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka

is

> > noted:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> > > > dwadesabhagahani||

> > > > > > 24 ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi,

in

> > its

> > > > own

> > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly

planet,or

> > in

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for

> > Ayurdaya

> > > > > > purposes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

> > > > relation to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -

> > their

> > > > life,

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > story.

> > > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Tarunji,

 

Yes truth is always hidden. You see that only when

Maya is overcome. Arudha is what people see You as.

The Atmakaraka is what You actually are. The

Badhaksthanadipati where placed is , shows how You

are whether weak or strong, that also only the native

knows, how he is facing the challenge.

To know the actual truth, always see the left palm

of the native and the right palm.

Check what does the left hand shows. Specially the

fate Line. That is the arudha on the left hand.

The right hand shows the real arudha, what the native

actually is. If the fate Line is weak on the

left hand, while on the right it

is clear and strong, then it means,

he has cleared the Badhaksthana and shown his

efforts and vigour in the Life Journey, and overcome

the Badhas to make a sthana or space for himself.

 

I would need at least 200 Lines more to explain this,

but hope you would get the meaning with just what

have written above. Also check the Surya rekha on the

right hand.If absent on left and present on right,

then this native is bound to rise in Life through his

own efforts. In this case there would be connection

Lagna Lord with the 10th House or MC.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never want

> to force my views.

> Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit. Even

> in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers

> were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not

> asking wrong question.

> Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like to

> discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that

> doesnt mean i am into arguing.

>

> But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything is

> controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is shown

> is arudha.

> Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world see u.

>

> Hope to learn more from you.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarunji,

> >

> > You are a smart one, who don't come commonly

> > but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared

> > of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and

> > your arguments too. Because I do not wish to

> > have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats

> > all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish

> > to end up arguing endlessly with you

> > about which I had some intuitions, a month ago,

> > that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List,

> > to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid,

> > with anybody, and not just with You,

> > as want to keep the Forum clear

> > of any heat. As soon as it looks like the

> > argument is going to end up in a mirage,

> > I would like to turn away.

> >

> > Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now.

> > Thats why I said, people like you

> > dont come easy, but once in a millenium.

> > I got the first laugh today since morning

> > on reading your reply on that.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail.

> > >

> > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually.

> > >

> > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's

> marriage :)

> > > ha ha.

> > >

> > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is

> right

> > > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous

> mail

> > > that i wrote something else i wanted to write.

> > >

> > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of

> > > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know

> > > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even

> commodities.

> > > means living and non-living things.

> > >

> > > I again apologize if i hurt u.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarunji,

> > > >

> > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the

> > > > actual truth.

> > > >

> > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

> > > > that the Sun is always there..

> > > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

> > > > it is round.

> > > > You and me are Maya until we go up.

> > > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

> > > > they understood that it is not a Planet.

> > > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction

> > > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are

> > > > actually kissing each other.

> > > > Because when we watch from a point on earth

> > > > the angular distance makes them to be seen

> > > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of

> > > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

> > > > is Maya.

> > > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

> > > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have

> > > > to reach the heavens to know the truth.

> > > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

> > > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

> > > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

> > > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

> > > > know of.

> > > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

> > > > there may be another dimension too which this physical

> > > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

> > > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

> > > > truth, till we come to know what actually the

> > > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

> > > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

> > > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

> > > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

> > > > that a tiger there nearby.

> > > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

> > > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

> > > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

> > > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

> > > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

> > > > realisation and intuition coupled

> > > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

> > > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

> > > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

> > > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for

> > > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

> > > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

> > > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

> > > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

> > > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

> > > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

> > > >

> > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

> > > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another

> > > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

> > > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

> > > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

> > > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

> > > > other train which we are watching. This is the same

> > > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

> > > >

> > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression

> > > > completely because there are various angles to each.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

> > > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

> > > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

> > > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

> > > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

> > > > other retrograde planet.

> > > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

> > > > Planet.

> > > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

> > > > Planet.

> > > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.

> > > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

> > > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

> > > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

> > > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

> > > > house in Navamsha chart.

> > > >

> > > > I can write another 20 placements like above.

> > > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

> > > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

> > > > How to contend with so many permutations and

> > > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

> > > >

> > > > But individually answers can be sought and found.

> > > > Every astrologer has to search for his own

> > > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable

> > > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

> > > > developed, which would give the answer when one is

> > > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

> > > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

> > > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

> > > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which

> > > > one to believe and which one to not ?

> > > >

> > > > This has to be an individual decision.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

> > > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

> > > > individual to individual.

> > > >

> > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

> > > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

> > > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

> > > > is due from you.

> > > >

> > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

> > > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

> > > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world

> > > > except God.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks alot for praising me.

> > > > >

> > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > > ////

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> > > > >

> > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical

> orbit.

> > > > >

> > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last.

> then

> > > you

> > > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> > > > >

> > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will

> > > complete

> > > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of

> time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the

> > > distance

> > > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate

> > > > > retrogression completely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear tarunji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good arguments,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

> > > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > > > > reason.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe

> > > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if

> > > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already

> > > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and

> > > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I

> > > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology

> > > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect

> > > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens

> > > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous

> house.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Tarun "

> <tarun.virgo@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in your case.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> house

> > > as

> > > > > per

> > > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be

> > > counted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the

> > > planet

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri

> KN

> > > Rao)

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that.

> But

> > > > > technical

> > > > > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as

> in

> > > > > placidus

> > > > > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of

> > > solar

> > > > > orbit

> > > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it

> > > cannot

> > > > > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i

> may

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > > > > Page 15.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My comments -

> > > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This

> > > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he

> > > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it

> > > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna,

> > > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at

> > > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given

> > > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all

> > > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within

> > > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the

> Bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point

> > > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I

> > > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions

> > > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results

> > > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to

> > > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be

> > > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the

> > > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the

> olden

> > > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only

> > > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit

> > > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the

> Planet

> > > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends

> Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But

> does

> > > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ?

> > > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays

> > > > > > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We

> all

> > > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different

> versions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what

> they

> > > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala

> > > pathi

> > > > > > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference

> > > that in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Fifth

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka

> is

> > > noted:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu

> > > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> > > > > dwadesabhagahani||

> > > > > > > 24 ||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi,

> in

> > > its

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly

> planet,or

> > > in

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for

> > > Ayurdaya

> > > > > > > purposes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in

> > > > > relation to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -

> > > their

> > > > > life,

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > story.

> > > > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Bhaskar and Raja,

 

Also consider Natal Jupiter role from your Natal Moon. Then apply

the transit Jupiter. More specifically when Moon lagna is stronger

than the Lagna itself. We should never neglect Moon lagna.

 

Regards,

Satya S Kolachina

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Raja,

>

> I am thinking of speculation but will wait for

> Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house,

> am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first

> Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole

> Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught

> by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works.

> Otherwise how would one predict for

> long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or

> Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running

> the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it

> is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart

> is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti

> to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th

> in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation

> without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits.

>

> Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any

> mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not

> change,but only the house position would change.

>

> please now read the results of the planets as under and

> combine them-

> a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart)

> b) Results of planet in new house position.

>

> Combine the above, and You are now nearing the

> truth about Yourself.

>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Bhaskar,

> >

> >

> >

> > for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence

> greatly

> > your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation

> correct or

> > it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the

> connection

> > of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore

> jupiter in

> > dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and

> creativity.

> > but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th

> house is a

> > very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only

> mean good

> > things.

> >

> >

> >

> > interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to

> tarun in

> > the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that

> jupiter does

> > place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also

more

> > importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and

> shukra go

> > to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house

with sun

> > (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit.

this is a

> > fascinating maneuver.

> >

> >

> >

> > namaskar,

> >

> >

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Satya Saiji,

 

I was missing You.Pleasing to know You are here

and active,Yes Moon Lagna if strong, can never

be neglected. As far as I have heard

Jupiter on Natal Moon is not considered to be

good . What are your views on this ?

 

I normally consider the Jupiter, in transit,

with the house placement where it transits,

from the Lagna,from the Moon, in a sign,

and also if it is crossing some Natal

planet, as well as the SAV of the House it

transits. And dont feel happy, unless

the MD shows some positive

results or support to positives.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

In , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar and Raja,

>

> Also consider Natal Jupiter role from your Natal Moon. Then apply

> the transit Jupiter. More specifically when Moon lagna is stronger

> than the Lagna itself. We should never neglect Moon lagna.

>

> Regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raja,

> >

> > I am thinking of speculation but will wait for

> > Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house,

> > am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first

> > Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole

> > Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught

> > by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works.

> > Otherwise how would one predict for

> > long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or

> > Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running

> > the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it

> > is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart

> > is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti

> > to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th

> > in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation

> > without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits.

> >

> > Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any

> > mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not

> > change,but only the house position would change.

> >

> > please now read the results of the planets as under and

> > combine them-

> > a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart)

> > b) Results of planet in new house position.

> >

> > Combine the above, and You are now nearing the

> > truth about Yourself.

> >

> > regards,

> > bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence

> > greatly

> > > your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation

> > correct or

> > > it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the

> > connection

> > > of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore

> > jupiter in

> > > dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and

> > creativity.

> > > but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th

> > house is a

> > > very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only

> > mean good

> > > things.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to

> > tarun in

> > > the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that

> > jupiter does

> > > place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also

> more

> > > importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and

> > shukra go

> > > to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house

> with sun

> > > (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit.

> this is a

> > > fascinating maneuver.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

Sir about palmistry, i donot know palmistry.

 

my left palm's bhagya rekha is starting from wrist to middle

fingure, and sun rekha from sun fingure meeting to bhagya rekha in

lower to centre of palm.

 

but in right hand bhagya rekha starting from wrist ending to

mastishk rekha. and the surya rekha starting from sun's fingure -

ending to centre of palm.

i donot know what this means but.

 

in my both hands, mastishk rekha and hriday rekha are meeting in

centre of palm.

 

About astrology, i read all your mails with full attention because

you talk technically. You donot run around myths, u say prove it and

then i will follow and i am also of same mentality.

 

yes definately i pick many hidden points too, but yes sometimes miss

them due to my lack of knowledge.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarunji,

>

> Yes truth is always hidden. You see that only when

> Maya is overcome. Arudha is what people see You as.

> The Atmakaraka is what You actually are. The

> Badhaksthanadipati where placed is , shows how You

> are whether weak or strong, that also only the native

> knows, how he is facing the challenge.

> To know the actual truth, always see the left palm

> of the native and the right palm.

> Check what does the left hand shows. Specially the

> fate Line. That is the arudha on the left hand.

> The right hand shows the real arudha, what the native

> actually is. If the fate Line is weak on the

> left hand, while on the right it

> is clear and strong, then it means,

> he has cleared the Badhaksthana and shown his

> efforts and vigour in the Life Journey, and overcome

> the Badhas to make a sthana or space for himself.

>

> I would need at least 200 Lines more to explain this,

> but hope you would get the meaning with just what

> have written above. Also check the Surya rekha on the

> right hand.If absent on left and present on right,

> then this native is bound to rise in Life through his

> own efforts. In this case there would be connection

> Lagna Lord with the 10th House or MC.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never

want

> > to force my views.

> > Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit.

Even

> > in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers

> > were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not

> > asking wrong question.

> > Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like

to

> > discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that

> > doesnt mean i am into arguing.

> >

> > But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything

is

> > controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is

shown

> > is arudha.

> > Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world

see u.

> >

> > Hope to learn more from you.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tarunji,

> > >

> > > You are a smart one, who don't come commonly

> > > but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared

> > > of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and

> > > your arguments too. Because I do not wish to

> > > have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats

> > > all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish

> > > to end up arguing endlessly with you

> > > about which I had some intuitions, a month ago,

> > > that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List,

> > > to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid,

> > > with anybody, and not just with You,

> > > as want to keep the Forum clear

> > > of any heat. As soon as it looks like the

> > > argument is going to end up in a mirage,

> > > I would like to turn away.

> > >

> > > Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now.

> > > Thats why I said, people like you

> > > dont come easy, but once in a millenium.

> > > I got the first laugh today since morning

> > > on reading your reply on that.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail.

> > > >

> > > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually.

> > > >

> > > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's

> > marriage :)

> > > > ha ha.

> > > >

> > > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is

> > right

> > > > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my

previous

> > mail

> > > > that i wrote something else i wanted to write.

> > > >

> > > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's

of

> > > > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only

know

> > > > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even

> > commodities.

> > > > means living and non-living things.

> > > >

> > > > I again apologize if i hurt u.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tarunji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the

> > > > > actual truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know

> > > > > that the Sun is always there..

> > > > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

> > > > > it is round.

> > > > > You and me are Maya until we go up.

> > > > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till

> > > > > they understood that it is not a Planet.

> > > > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction

> > > > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are

> > > > > actually kissing each other.

> > > > > Because when we watch from a point on earth

> > > > > the angular distance makes them to be seen

> > > > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of

> > > > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This

> > > > > is Maya.

> > > > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,

> > > > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have

> > > > > to reach the heavens to know the truth.

> > > > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so,

> > > > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,

> > > > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal

> > > > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not

> > > > > know of.

> > > > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

> > > > > there may be another dimension too which this physical

> > > > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the

> > > > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as

> > > > > truth, till we come to know what actually the

> > > > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

> > > > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has

> > > > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape

> > > > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,

> > > > > that a tiger there nearby.

> > > > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

> > > > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out

> > > > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out

> > > > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out

> > > > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

> > > > > realisation and intuition coupled

> > > > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer

> > > > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like

> > > > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of

> > > > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for

> > > > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for

> > > > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,

> > > > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of

> > > > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

> > > > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one

> > > > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in

> > > > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another

> > > > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to

> > > > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train

> > > > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it

> > > > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the

> > > > > other train which we are watching. This is the same

> > > > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.

> > > > >

> > > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression

> > > > > completely because there are various angles to each.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.

> > > > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

> > > > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.

> > > > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords

> > > > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with

> > > > > other retrograde planet.

> > > > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted

> > > > > Planet.

> > > > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated

> > > > > Planet.

> > > > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.

> > > > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.

> > > > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.

> > > > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

> > > > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good

> > > > > house in Navamsha chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can write another 20 placements like above.

> > > > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?

> > > > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

> > > > > How to contend with so many permutations and

> > > > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.

> > > > >

> > > > > But individually answers can be sought and found.

> > > > > Every astrologer has to search for his own

> > > > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable

> > > > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be

> > > > > developed, which would give the answer when one is

> > > > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast

> > > > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to

> > > > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory

> > > > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which

> > > > > one to believe and which one to not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > This has to be an individual decision.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to

> > > > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

> > > > > individual to individual.

> > > > >

> > > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in

> > > > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If

> > > > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner

> > > > > is due from you.

> > > > >

> > > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various

> > > > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can

> > > > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world

> > > > > except God.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Tarun "

<tarun.virgo@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks alot for praising me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put

Life in

> > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that

> > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > > > ////

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical

> > orbit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or

last.

> > then

> > > > you

> > > > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel

will

> > > > complete

> > > > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of

> > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but

the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to

interpretate

> > > > > > retrogression completely.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear tarunji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good arguments,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > > > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START

> > > > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now

> > > > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology.

> > > > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which

> > > > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

> > > > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would

> > > > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study

> > > > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as

> > > > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or

> > > > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation,

> > > > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the

> > > > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the

> > > > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the

> > > > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of

considering

> > > > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical

> > > > > > > reason.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I

believe

> > > > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because

if

> > > > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have

already

> > > > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority,

and

> > > > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere,

I

> > > > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in

astrology

> > > > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other

aspect

> > > > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about

> > > > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day.

> > > > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has

> > > > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up.

> > > > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember

well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

> > > > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression

happens

> > > > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous

> > house.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in

> > > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find

that

> > > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion

> > > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya.

> > > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the

> > > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute

> > > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in

> > > > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My

> > > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Tarun "

> > <tarun.virgo@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in your case.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous

> > house

> > > > as

> > > > > > per

> > > > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST

HOUSE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not

be

> > > > counted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering

the

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per

Shri

> > KN

> > > > Rao)

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like

that.

> > But

> > > > > > technical

> > > > > > > > proof of this point is nothing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts

as

> > in

> > > > > > placidus

> > > > > > > > system. Why we leave them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion

i.e. of

> > > > solar

> > > > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that

it

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > pretend to be in previous house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in

life i

> > may

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > the true reason then may follow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book -

> > > > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by,

> > > > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab.

> > > > > > > > > Page 15.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House

> > > > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For

> > > > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it

> > > > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is

> > > > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on

> > > > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde,

> > > > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will

> > > > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its

> > > > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the

> > > > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover

> > > > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth

> > > > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover

> > > > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied

> > > > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient

> > > > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My comments -

> > > > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a

> > > > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology.

This

> > > > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now,

> > > > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when

he

> > > > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that -

> > > > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN

> > > > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and

it

> > > > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and

Lagna,

> > > > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him

at

> > > > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years,

> > > > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had

given

> > > > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha ,

all

> > > > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart

within

> > > > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the

> > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that

point

> > > > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of

course I

> > > > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own

predictions

> > > > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the

results

> > > > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs

to

> > > > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no

> > > > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as

> > > > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka)

> > > > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so

> > > > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to

be

> > > > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part.

> > > > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide

the

> > > > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the

> > olden

> > > > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not

only

> > > > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they

> > > > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in

Ganit

> > > > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus

> > > > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not

> > > > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the

> > Planet

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi,

friends

> > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression ,

But

> > does

> > > > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti

falls ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the

rays

> > > > > > > > > > > are Directed ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this

discussion. We

> > all

> > > > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different

> > versions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with

what

> > they

> > > > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

venkatachala

> > > > pathi

> > > > > > > > <pathiav@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind

reference

> > > > that in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Fifth

> > > > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA'

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following

Sloka

> > is

> > > > noted:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe

Vakropage thu

> > > > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu|

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge

> > > > > > dwadesabhagahani||

> > > > > > > > 24 ||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own

Rasi,

> > in

> > > > its

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly

> > planet,or

> > > > in

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for

> > > > Ayurdaya

> > > > > > > > purposes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the

Planet in

> > > > > > relation to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is

accounted.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nettleham,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lincoln

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life?

Nope! -

> > > > their

> > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > story.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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good point. of course all yoga should manifest from the moon chart as that

is standard practice.

 

 

 

thank you,

 

 

 

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dear mr.tarun,

 

kindly note..............

 

The Earth's seasons are not caused by the differences in the distance

from the Sun throughout the year (these differences are extremely

small). The seasons are the result of the tilt of the Earth's axis.

The Earth's axis is tilted from perpendicular to the plane of the

ecliptic by 23.45°. This tilting is what gives us the four seasons of

the year - spring, summer, autumn (fall) and winter. Since the axis is

tilted, different parts of the globe are oriented towards the Sun at

different times of the year.

 

paresh vaidya

 

 

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> you are very correct.

>

> i had same view, just lacked the explanation

>

> it is the same way when earth is near to sun we have summers and

> when earth is away from sun ;we have winters.

> why so..?? because we are not receving sun's energy completely.

>

> and it is all energy management which makes us to receive the mutual

> gravitational force in different ratio.

>

> all planets have gravitational force, i.e. north pole and south

> pole. and when some other planet is moved out of axis we get some

> unbalanced form of energy. which is called counted as negative /

> positve influence of retrograde planet.

>

> Thanks for taking part in the thread.

>

> Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

>

>

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