Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Dear Mr.Bhaskar: On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu dviguneekruthamsu hu| Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the house he occupies, and being 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. Pathi A.V.Pathi, care Dr. Sreenivasan, 5, Heath Road, Nettleham, Lincoln Ln2 2ZX U.K. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Dear Venkatji, I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays are Directed ? I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all learn when we get varied views and different versions. I hope others would have followed suit, with what they have read,learnt,heard or experienced. regards, Bhaskar. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu dviguneekruthamsu hu| > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the house he occupies, and being > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > Pathi > > > A.V.Pathi, > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > 5, Heath Road, > Nettleham, > Lincoln > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Dear Venkatji, In that same shloka it is also revealed that as retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be reduced by 12th part. Now I think the last word itself means to divide the total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they must be using same terminology even today in Ganit class. And of course " hani " means loss). The above shloka has thus given special impetus to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not have mentioned this seperately. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Venkatji, > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > are Directed ? > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > house he occupies, and being > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > Pathi > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > 5, Heath Road, > > Nettleham, > > Lincoln > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, Retrogression aspects ??? Quote from a Book - Ups and Downs in Career, by, Shri KN Rao Sahab. Page 15. SPECIAL RULE " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House previous to the one in which it is positioned. For example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover three houses through their aspects and the fourth through its position. When retrograde it will cover four additional houses.This special rule is applied throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " My comments - I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, but I remember him saying specifically to me when he learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at that point of time, but after so many years, I realize that the astounding predictions he had given me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all turned true in time to come. He read my chart within 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions too, I personally would not mind checking the results from one house previous too, if some matter needs to be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no apparent reason is seen otherwise. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Venkatji, > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > reduced by 12th part. > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > have mentioned this seperately. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > are Directed ? > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > > house he occupies, and being > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > Nettleham, > > > Lincoln > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story. > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Dear Sunil Nairji, Hare RamaKrishna. Namaste. I was missing something/somebody since last 2 days. But could not figure out what/who . While going through the previous posts of my short absence here, I noticed, I was missing You. Where are You ? regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > Quote from a Book - > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > Page 15. > > SPECIAL RULE > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > My comments - > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > that point of time, but after so many years, > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > reduced by 12th part. > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > Nettleham, > > > > Lincoln > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > story. > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Dear Bhaskar Ji, thak you, Pathi A.V.Pathi, care Dr. Sreenivasan, 5, Heath Road, Nettleham, Lincoln Ln2 2ZX U.K. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Sir, accroding to my understanding, in your case. your lagna is 15 deg. your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted. Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) I am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But technical proof of this point is nothing. then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus system. Why we leave them. Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house. May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may find the true reason then may follow. Warm Regards Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > Quote from a Book - > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > Page 15. > > SPECIAL RULE > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > My comments - > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > that point of time, but after so many years, > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > reduced by 12th part. > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the Fifth > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| 24 || > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya purposes. > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to the > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > Nettleham, > > > > Lincoln > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > story. > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Dear tarunji, Good arguments, // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. // This was the best observation by You. You are now moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which actually shows the reality of the position of planets. // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would start looking for the effects he has made in his study of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as the planet in questions starts moving in trine or Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, and match them with his own conclusions. In the Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the opposition. We automatically look for them when the Birth is at Purnima or nearby. //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical reason.// I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if they say something, then I assume they must have already spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about which he wished to know previously, some day. One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in these planets and they start moving. You would find that there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. At any given point of time we are all newbies in astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My Jupiter. regards, bhaskar. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > in your case. > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted. > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) I > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But technical > proof of this point is nothing. > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus > system. Why we leave them. > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot > pretend to be in previous house. > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may find > the true reason then may follow. > > Warm Regards > > Tarun > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > Quote from a Book - > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > Page 15. > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > My comments - > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > <pathiav@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the > Fifth > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to > the > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, > your > > > story. > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 yes you do ask a very good question, Bhaskar, there is definitely different opinions on the matter of retrograde planets. I mean it is very difficult question to answer because research on this one would take very much deep scrutiny. I however do believe that from my intuition and analysis that the planet that is retrograde does go back to its sign and yes it does then therefore can aspect from the preceding sign placement. for example I have jupiter retrograde in the 7th house debilitated, so therefore jupiter does fall back down the 6th house (dhanus) and aspects from there as well. Bhaskar, I am impressed by your candid questions as I feel all of us feel confused. I mean we want to get to the truth of the matter. I mean it is best for the group if we can derive truth from the principles. it is very powerful a science then don't you agree? I think as a group we should compile a list of great questions that perplex great astrologers? for example this would be a priority on the list. namaskar, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Dear Raja, Yes I base my questions on practical astrology on problems we all may face in day to day, and may not know whom to ask because no one may have the right answer for these. At such time the experiences of others does help in reaching some conclusion, which may or not be actual truth, does not matter,but at least would help us in arriving to some conclusion, when we next time reach that juncture while studying some chart or the other. The Forums like these serve as a good platform for such discussions, as long as one does not try to force his opinion on another, and leave one comfortable with whatever is right to him and works for him. For both You and me,the next 2 Years would decide, what is the role of Jupiter in our Charts. Considering the Jupiter in the 5th House, in Dhanus (For me too, if I move backwards), Jupiter is crossing the point starting from 25th November (I hope I am right on the date, not allowed to open the Panchang at night). We will see what the 5th House brings us in store for the events to unfold. In my case, I would be performing the marriage of my first child,daughter in February. What happens in Your case, and in which department, You would have to share, when it happens. In Your case it would be the 6th house over which Jupiter would be crossing. Now mind it we are not talking of signs , but houses, in our own charts. Some significations of the 6th house with predominant effects should pass in Your case. Related to health, Maternal side-Uncles, Receipt of payments, winning or passing some Good examination,or competetion with honours. Or also some legal case would be won, which may have been pending for few years. regards, Bhaskar. , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > yes you do ask a very good question, Bhaskar, there is definitely different > opinions on the matter of retrograde planets. I mean it is very difficult > question to answer because research on this one would take very much deep > scrutiny. I however do believe that from my intuition and analysis that the > planet that is retrograde does go back to its sign and yes it does then > therefore can aspect from the preceding sign placement. for example I have > jupiter retrograde in the 7th house debilitated, so therefore jupiter does > fall back down the 6th house (dhanus) and aspects from there as well. > Bhaskar, I am impressed by your candid questions as I feel all of us feel > confused. I mean we want to get to the truth of the matter. I mean it is > best for the group if we can derive truth from the principles. it is very > powerful a science then don't you agree? I think as a group we should > compile a list of great questions that perplex great astrologers? for > example this would be a priority on the list. > > > > namaskar, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Thanks alot for praising me. ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in these planets and they start moving. You would find that there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. //// Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then you will see no one ahead or losing the race. but if the person who is having low radius to travel will complete the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the distance between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate retrogression completely. Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear tarunji, > > Good arguments, > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > reason.// > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > they say something, then I assume they must have already > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > which he wished to know previously, some day. > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > Jupiter. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > in your case. > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as per > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted. > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet in > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) I > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But technical > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in placidus > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar orbit > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may find > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > Page 15. > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > My comments - > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > <pathiav@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in the > > Fifth > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge dwadesabhagahani|| > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its own > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in its > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in relation to > > the > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, > > your > > > > story. > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Tarun, I would like to add my perspective here. Yes, it is true that planets don't actually move backwards. They continue moving in the same direction as ever. However, for an observer from the earth, at certain points in time, it appears that these planets start moving in the opposite direction. It is due to relative motion of earth and the planet that appears retrograde. How does this affect earth? I assume that earth recieves certain rays - gravitational or similar from these planets in the form of waves. Now, as you have studied science I can give the analogy of Doppler Effect. You have studied that the sound waves reach an observer in the station with higher density when a train is moving towards the station and the sound waves reach the observer with a lower density as the train moves away from the station. Actually, the train was always moving in the same direction. But, the motion of the train in relation to the observer caused different effect on the observer. Similarly, I believe that when the planets appear to be retrograde in motion, there is a decrease in the intensity of waves that reaches earth from them. Hence, this could cause effects which are other than usual. Hope you will appreciate the effect of retrogression now. Regards, Krishna --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > //// > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then > you > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > complete > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > distance > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > retrogression completely. > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > Good arguments, > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > reason.// > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous > house.// > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > Jupiter. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house > as > per > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > counted. > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > planet > in > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri > KN Rao) > I > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > > technical > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > > placidus > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > solar > orbit > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > cannot > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i > may > find > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Tarunji, Everything is Maya here till one understands the actual truth. The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know that the Sun is always there.. The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood it is round. You and me are Maya until we go up. Pluto was a Maya uptil now till they understood that it is not a Planet. When we say that two planets are in conjunction in same degrees, does not mean that they are actually kissing each other. Because when we watch from a point on earth the angular distance makes them to be seen together from here,whereas they may be millions of Miles or Light Years away from each other. This is Maya. The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, for actually there may be many more, but we will have to reach the heavens to know the truth. The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, there may be many worlds there in the Universe, whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal body.. There may be many more Universes we may not know of. The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas there may be another dimension too which this physical body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as truth, till we come to know what actually the truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, that a tiger there nearby. For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart without degrees for few moments glance may bring out the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more realisation and intuition coupled with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of us, that there are no single shot rules working for cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in a train, sitting near the window, and when another train passes speedily on the paralell track next to ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train is actually going behind, when the truth is that it is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the other train which we are watching. This is the same state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. We can never be able to interpret retrogression completely because there are various angles to each. 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with other retrograde planet. 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted Planet. 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated Planet. 8) Retrograde planet in own house. 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good house in Navamsha chart. I can write another 20 placements like above. Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. How to contend with so many permutations and combinations ? It is not possible humanely. But individually answers can be sought and found. Every astrologer has to search for his own way and style of judgement which should be changeable and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be developed, which would give the answer when one is watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to find his own answer. Because there are contradictory results written by various famous astrologers, so which one to believe and which one to not ? This has to be an individual decision. Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on individual to individual. You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in writing this reply to you, and praising you.If You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner is due from you. At least we are reaching somewhere,with various views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can interpret Retrogression completely in this world except God. regards, Bhaskar. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > //// > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then you > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will complete > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the distance > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > retrogression completely. > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > Good arguments, > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > reason.// > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > Jupiter. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as > per > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted. > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet > in > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) > I > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > technical > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > placidus > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar > orbit > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may > find > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in > the > > > Fifth > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its > own > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in > its > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > relation to > > > the > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their > life, > > > your > > > > > story. > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, you are very correct. i had same view, just lacked the explanation it is the same way when earth is near to sun we have summers and when earth is away from sun ;we have winters. why so..?? because we are not receving sun's energy completely. and it is all energy management which makes us to receive the mutual gravitational force in different ratio. all planets have gravitational force, i.e. north pole and south pole. and when some other planet is moved out of axis we get some unbalanced form of energy. which is called counted as negative / positve influence of retrograde planet. Thanks for taking part in the thread. Regards, Tarun , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > I would like to add my perspective here. Yes, it is true that > planets don't actually move backwards. They continue moving in > the same direction as ever. > > However, for an observer from the earth, at certain points in > time, it appears that these planets start moving in the opposite > direction. It is due to relative motion of earth and the planet > that appears retrograde. > > How does this affect earth? I assume that earth recieves certain > rays - gravitational or similar from these planets in the form > of waves. Now, as you have studied science I can give the > analogy of Doppler Effect. You have studied that the sound waves > reach an observer in the station with higher density when a > train is moving towards the station and the sound waves reach > the observer with a lower density as the train moves away from > the station. Actually, the train was always moving in the same > direction. But, the motion of the train in relation to the > observer caused different effect on the observer. Similarly, I > believe that when the planets appear to be retrograde in motion, > there is a decrease in the intensity of waves that reaches earth > from them. Hence, this could cause effects which are other than > usual. > > Hope you will appreciate the effect of retrogression now. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > //// > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then > > you > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > > complete > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > > distance > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > retrogression completely. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > reason.// > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous > > house.// > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house > > as > > per > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > > counted. > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > > planet > > in > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri > > KN Rao) > > I > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > > > > technical > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > > > > placidus > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > > solar > > orbit > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > > cannot > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i > > may > > find > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail. but i didnt meant anything in it actually. But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's marriage ha ha. sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is right or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous mail that i wrote something else i wanted to write. yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even commodities. means living and non-living things. I again apologize if i hurt u. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Tarunji, > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the > actual truth. > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know > that the Sun is always there.. > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood > it is round. > You and me are Maya until we go up. > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till > they understood that it is not a Planet. > When we say that two planets are in conjunction > in same degrees, does not mean that they are > actually kissing each other. > Because when we watch from a point on earth > the angular distance makes them to be seen > together from here,whereas they may be millions of > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This > is Maya. > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, > for actually there may be many more, but we will have > to reach the heavens to know the truth. > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, > there may be many worlds there in the Universe, > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not > know of. > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas > there may be another dimension too which this physical > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as > truth, till we come to know what actually the > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, > that a tiger there nearby. > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more > realisation and intuition coupled > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of > us, that there are no single shot rules working for > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in > a train, sitting near the window, and when another > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the > other train which we are watching. This is the same > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression > completely because there are various angles to each. > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with > other retrograde planet. > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted > Planet. > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated > Planet. > 8) Retrograde planet in own house. > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good > house in Navamsha chart. > > I can write another 20 placements like above. > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. > How to contend with so many permutations and > combinations ? It is not possible humanely. > > But individually answers can be sought and found. > Every astrologer has to search for his own > way and style of judgement which should be changeable > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be > developed, which would give the answer when one is > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory > results written by various famous astrologers, so which > one to believe and which one to not ? > > This has to be an individual decision. > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on > individual to individual. > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner > is due from you. > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can > interpret Retrogression completely in this world > except God. > > regards, > Bhaskar. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > //// > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then you > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will complete > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the distance > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > retrogression completely. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > reason.// > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house as > > per > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be counted. > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the planet > > in > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN Rao) > > I > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > > technical > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > > placidus > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of solar > > orbit > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it cannot > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may > > find > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference that in > > the > > > > Fifth > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in its > > own > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or in > > its > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for Ayurdaya > > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > > relation to > > > > the > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their > > life, > > > > your > > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Tarunji, You are a smart one, who don't come commonly but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and your arguments too. Because I do not wish to have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish to end up arguing endlessly with you about which I had some intuitions, a month ago, that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List, to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid, with anybody, and not just with You, as want to keep the Forum clear of any heat. As soon as it looks like the argument is going to end up in a mirage, I would like to turn away. Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now. Thats why I said, people like you dont come easy, but once in a millenium. I got the first laugh today since morning on reading your reply on that. regards, Bhaskar. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail. > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually. > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's marriage > ha ha. > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is right > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous mail > that i wrote something else i wanted to write. > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even commodities. > means living and non-living things. > > I again apologize if i hurt u. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the > > actual truth. > > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know > > that the Sun is always there.. > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood > > it is round. > > You and me are Maya until we go up. > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till > > they understood that it is not a Planet. > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are > > actually kissing each other. > > Because when we watch from a point on earth > > the angular distance makes them to be seen > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This > > is Maya. > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have > > to reach the heavens to know the truth. > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe, > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not > > know of. > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas > > there may be another dimension too which this physical > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as > > truth, till we come to know what actually the > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, > > that a tiger there nearby. > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more > > realisation and intuition coupled > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. > > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the > > other train which we are watching. This is the same > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. > > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression > > completely because there are various angles to each. > > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with > > other retrograde planet. > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted > > Planet. > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated > > Planet. > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house. > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good > > house in Navamsha chart. > > > > I can write another 20 placements like above. > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. > > How to contend with so many permutations and > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely. > > > > But individually answers can be sought and found. > > Every astrologer has to search for his own > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be > > developed, which would give the answer when one is > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which > > one to believe and which one to not ? > > > > This has to be an individual decision. > > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on > > individual to individual. > > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner > > is due from you. > > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world > > except God. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > //// > > > > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then > you > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > complete > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > distance > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > > retrogression completely. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > > reason.// > > > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// > > > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house > as > > > per > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > counted. > > > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > planet > > > in > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN > Rao) > > > I > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > > > technical > > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > > > placidus > > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > solar > > > orbit > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > cannot > > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may > > > find > > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala > pathi > > > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference > that in > > > the > > > > > Fifth > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is > noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > > > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in > its > > > own > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or > in > > > its > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for > Ayurdaya > > > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > > > relation to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > their > > > life, > > > > > your > > > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 dear Bhaskar, for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence greatly your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation correct or it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the connection of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore jupiter in dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and creativity. but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th house is a very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only mean good things. interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to tarun in the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that jupiter does place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also more importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and shukra go to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house with sun (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. this is a fascinating maneuver. namaskar, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Raja, I am thinking of speculation but will wait for Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house, am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works. Otherwise how would one predict for long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits. Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not change,but only the house position would change. please now read the results of the planets as under and combine them- a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart) b) Results of planet in new house position. Combine the above, and You are now nearing the truth about Yourself. regards, bhaskar. , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > dear Bhaskar, > > > > for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence greatly > your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation correct or > it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the connection > of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore jupiter in > dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and creativity. > but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th house is a > very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only mean good > things. > > > > interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to tarun in > the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that jupiter does > place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also more > importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and shukra go > to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house with sun > (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. this is a > fascinating maneuver. > > > > namaskar, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never want to force my views. Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit. Even in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not asking wrong question. Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like to discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that doesnt mean i am into arguing. But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything is controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is shown is arudha. Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world see u. Hope to learn more from you. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Tarunji, > > You are a smart one, who don't come commonly > but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared > of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and > your arguments too. Because I do not wish to > have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats > all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish > to end up arguing endlessly with you > about which I had some intuitions, a month ago, > that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List, > to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid, > with anybody, and not just with You, > as want to keep the Forum clear > of any heat. As soon as it looks like the > argument is going to end up in a mirage, > I would like to turn away. > > Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now. > Thats why I said, people like you > dont come easy, but once in a millenium. > I got the first laugh today since morning > on reading your reply on that. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail. > > > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually. > > > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's marriage > > ha ha. > > > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is right > > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous mail > > that i wrote something else i wanted to write. > > > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of > > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know > > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even commodities. > > means living and non-living things. > > > > I again apologize if i hurt u. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the > > > actual truth. > > > > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know > > > that the Sun is always there.. > > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood > > > it is round. > > > You and me are Maya until we go up. > > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till > > > they understood that it is not a Planet. > > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction > > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are > > > actually kissing each other. > > > Because when we watch from a point on earth > > > the angular distance makes them to be seen > > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of > > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This > > > is Maya. > > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, > > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have > > > to reach the heavens to know the truth. > > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, > > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe, > > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal > > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not > > > know of. > > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas > > > there may be another dimension too which this physical > > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the > > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as > > > truth, till we come to know what actually the > > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. > > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has > > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape > > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, > > > that a tiger there nearby. > > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart > > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out > > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out > > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out > > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more > > > realisation and intuition coupled > > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer > > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like > > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of > > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for > > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for > > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, > > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of > > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along > > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one > > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. > > > > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in > > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another > > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to > > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train > > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it > > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the > > > other train which we are watching. This is the same > > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. > > > > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression > > > completely because there are various angles to each. > > > > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. > > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. > > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. > > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords > > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with > > > other retrograde planet. > > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted > > > Planet. > > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated > > > Planet. > > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house. > > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. > > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. > > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. > > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good > > > house in Navamsha chart. > > > > > > I can write another 20 placements like above. > > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? > > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. > > > How to contend with so many permutations and > > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely. > > > > > > But individually answers can be sought and found. > > > Every astrologer has to search for his own > > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable > > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be > > > developed, which would give the answer when one is > > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast > > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to > > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory > > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which > > > one to believe and which one to not ? > > > > > > This has to be an individual decision. > > > > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to > > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on > > > individual to individual. > > > > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in > > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If > > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner > > > is due from you. > > > > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various > > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can > > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world > > > except God. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > //// > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical orbit. > > > > > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. then > > you > > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > > complete > > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of time. > > > > > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > > distance > > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > > > retrogression completely. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > > > reason.// > > > > > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous house.// > > > > > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous house > > as > > > > per > > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > > counted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > > planet > > > > in > > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri KN > > Rao) > > > > I > > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. But > > > > technical > > > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as in > > > > placidus > > > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > > solar > > > > orbit > > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > > cannot > > > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i may > > > > find > > > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the olden > > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the Planet > > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends Rasi, > > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But does > > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We all > > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what they > > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala > > pathi > > > > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference > > that in > > > > the > > > > > > Fifth > > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka is > > noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > > > > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, in > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly planet,or > > in > > > > its > > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for > > Ayurdaya > > > > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > > > > relation to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Tarunji, Yes truth is always hidden. You see that only when Maya is overcome. Arudha is what people see You as. The Atmakaraka is what You actually are. The Badhaksthanadipati where placed is , shows how You are whether weak or strong, that also only the native knows, how he is facing the challenge. To know the actual truth, always see the left palm of the native and the right palm. Check what does the left hand shows. Specially the fate Line. That is the arudha on the left hand. The right hand shows the real arudha, what the native actually is. If the fate Line is weak on the left hand, while on the right it is clear and strong, then it means, he has cleared the Badhaksthana and shown his efforts and vigour in the Life Journey, and overcome the Badhas to make a sthana or space for himself. I would need at least 200 Lines more to explain this, but hope you would get the meaning with just what have written above. Also check the Surya rekha on the right hand.If absent on left and present on right, then this native is bound to rise in Life through his own efforts. In this case there would be connection Lagna Lord with the 10th House or MC. regards, Bhaskar. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never want > to force my views. > Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit. Even > in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers > were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not > asking wrong question. > Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like to > discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that > doesnt mean i am into arguing. > > But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything is > controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is shown > is arudha. > Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world see u. > > Hope to learn more from you. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > You are a smart one, who don't come commonly > > but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared > > of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and > > your arguments too. Because I do not wish to > > have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats > > all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish > > to end up arguing endlessly with you > > about which I had some intuitions, a month ago, > > that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List, > > to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid, > > with anybody, and not just with You, > > as want to keep the Forum clear > > of any heat. As soon as it looks like the > > argument is going to end up in a mirage, > > I would like to turn away. > > > > Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now. > > Thats why I said, people like you > > dont come easy, but once in a millenium. > > I got the first laugh today since morning > > on reading your reply on that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail. > > > > > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually. > > > > > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's > marriage > > > ha ha. > > > > > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is > right > > > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous > mail > > > that i wrote something else i wanted to write. > > > > > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of > > > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know > > > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even > commodities. > > > means living and non-living things. > > > > > > I again apologize if i hurt u. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the > > > > actual truth. > > > > > > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know > > > > that the Sun is always there.. > > > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood > > > > it is round. > > > > You and me are Maya until we go up. > > > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till > > > > they understood that it is not a Planet. > > > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction > > > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are > > > > actually kissing each other. > > > > Because when we watch from a point on earth > > > > the angular distance makes them to be seen > > > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of > > > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This > > > > is Maya. > > > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, > > > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have > > > > to reach the heavens to know the truth. > > > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, > > > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe, > > > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal > > > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not > > > > know of. > > > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas > > > > there may be another dimension too which this physical > > > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the > > > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as > > > > truth, till we come to know what actually the > > > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. > > > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has > > > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape > > > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, > > > > that a tiger there nearby. > > > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart > > > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out > > > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out > > > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out > > > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more > > > > realisation and intuition coupled > > > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer > > > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like > > > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of > > > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for > > > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for > > > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, > > > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of > > > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along > > > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one > > > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. > > > > > > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in > > > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another > > > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to > > > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train > > > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it > > > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the > > > > other train which we are watching. This is the same > > > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. > > > > > > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression > > > > completely because there are various angles to each. > > > > > > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. > > > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. > > > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. > > > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords > > > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with > > > > other retrograde planet. > > > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted > > > > Planet. > > > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated > > > > Planet. > > > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house. > > > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. > > > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. > > > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. > > > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good > > > > house in Navamsha chart. > > > > > > > > I can write another 20 placements like above. > > > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? > > > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. > > > > How to contend with so many permutations and > > > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely. > > > > > > > > But individually answers can be sought and found. > > > > Every astrologer has to search for his own > > > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable > > > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be > > > > developed, which would give the answer when one is > > > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast > > > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to > > > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory > > > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which > > > > one to believe and which one to not ? > > > > > > > > This has to be an individual decision. > > > > > > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to > > > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on > > > > individual to individual. > > > > > > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in > > > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If > > > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner > > > > is due from you. > > > > > > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various > > > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can > > > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world > > > > except God. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > > > > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > //// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > > > > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical > orbit. > > > > > > > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. > then > > > you > > > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > > > > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > > > complete > > > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of > time. > > > > > > > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > > > distance > > > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > > > > retrogression completely. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > > > > reason.// > > > > > > > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous > house.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > house > > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > > > counted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > > > planet > > > > > in > > > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri > KN > > > Rao) > > > > > I > > > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. > But > > > > > technical > > > > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as > in > > > > > placidus > > > > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > > > solar > > > > > orbit > > > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > > > cannot > > > > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i > may > > > > > find > > > > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the > Bhava > > > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the > olden > > > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the > Planet > > > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends > Rasi, > > > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But > does > > > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We > all > > > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different > versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what > they > > > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala > > > pathi > > > > > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference > > > that in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Fifth > > > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka > is > > > noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > > > > > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > > > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, > in > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly > planet,or > > > in > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for > > > Ayurdaya > > > > > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > > > > > relation to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Bhaskar and Raja, Also consider Natal Jupiter role from your Natal Moon. Then apply the transit Jupiter. More specifically when Moon lagna is stronger than the Lagna itself. We should never neglect Moon lagna. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Raja, > > I am thinking of speculation but will wait for > Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house, > am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first > Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole > Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught > by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works. > Otherwise how would one predict for > long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or > Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running > the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it > is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart > is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti > to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th > in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation > without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits. > > Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any > mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not > change,but only the house position would change. > > please now read the results of the planets as under and > combine them- > a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart) > b) Results of planet in new house position. > > Combine the above, and You are now nearing the > truth about Yourself. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence > greatly > > your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation > correct or > > it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the > connection > > of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore > jupiter in > > dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and > creativity. > > but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th > house is a > > very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only > mean good > > things. > > > > > > > > interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to > tarun in > > the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that > jupiter does > > place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also more > > importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and > shukra go > > to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house with sun > > (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. this is a > > fascinating maneuver. > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Satya Saiji, I was missing You.Pleasing to know You are here and active,Yes Moon Lagna if strong, can never be neglected. As far as I have heard Jupiter on Natal Moon is not considered to be good . What are your views on this ? I normally consider the Jupiter, in transit, with the house placement where it transits, from the Lagna,from the Moon, in a sign, and also if it is crossing some Natal planet, as well as the SAV of the House it transits. And dont feel happy, unless the MD shows some positive results or support to positives. regards, Bhaskar. In , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar and Raja, > > Also consider Natal Jupiter role from your Natal Moon. Then apply > the transit Jupiter. More specifically when Moon lagna is stronger > than the Lagna itself. We should never neglect Moon lagna. > > Regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > I am thinking of speculation but will wait for > > Budh Bhukti to come, as Lord of 2nd and 11th house, > > am running Rahu antar at the present, but in the first > > Bhukti of any Mahadasha one should replace the whole > > Bhukti with the antras, and treat as Bhukti, (As taught > > by My guru),no shastra to support this, but it works. > > Otherwise how would one predict for > > long antardashas like Sat-Sat, or Budh Budh, Or > > Jup-Jup etc. This is a angle which others who are running > > the start of their Mahadashas may look for. For me it > > is working very well. The sub-sub Lord of Rahu in my chart > > is Mercury, so i am waiting for Budh antra, in Rahu Bhukti > > to speculate because otherwise Jupiter is also Lord of 8th > > in my chart and would give me loss, if I do this speculation > > without watching the other dasha periods, but just Transits. > > > > Regarding Your bhava chalit , before You commit any > > mistake, please let me tell You, that the Sign will not > > change,but only the house position would change. > > > > please now read the results of the planets as under and > > combine them- > > a) Results of planet in sign.(Same as in natal Chart) > > b) Results of planet in new house position. > > > > Combine the above, and You are now nearing the > > truth about Yourself. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > for you of course jupiter in dhanus for 5th house could influence > > greatly > > > your spiritual practices. it could also mean gains in speculation > > correct or > > > it could mean you desire to speculate more. I would believe the > > connection > > > of gains to the 5th house would have to be assessed. furthermore > > jupiter in > > > dhanus in the 5th could flourish your natural intelligence and > > creativity. > > > but also politically it could mean that you advance as well. 5th > > house is a > > > very nice house so I would believe in all respects it could only > > mean good > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting you mention bhava chalit, after you mentioned this to > > tarun in > > > the posting I looked at mine. it appears favorably for me that > > jupiter does > > > place itself into dhanus (6th house) in my bhava chalit. also > more > > > importantly two planets that were in the lagna (karka) Buddha and > > shukra go > > > to the 12th house. and two planets that were in the 12th house > with sun > > > (Saturn and ketu) go into the 11th house of the bhava chalit. > this is a > > > fascinating maneuver. > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Sir about palmistry, i donot know palmistry. my left palm's bhagya rekha is starting from wrist to middle fingure, and sun rekha from sun fingure meeting to bhagya rekha in lower to centre of palm. but in right hand bhagya rekha starting from wrist ending to mastishk rekha. and the surya rekha starting from sun's fingure - ending to centre of palm. i donot know what this means but. in my both hands, mastishk rekha and hriday rekha are meeting in centre of palm. About astrology, i read all your mails with full attention because you talk technically. You donot run around myths, u say prove it and then i will follow and i am also of same mentality. yes definately i pick many hidden points too, but yes sometimes miss them due to my lack of knowledge. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Tarunji, > > Yes truth is always hidden. You see that only when > Maya is overcome. Arudha is what people see You as. > The Atmakaraka is what You actually are. The > Badhaksthanadipati where placed is , shows how You > are whether weak or strong, that also only the native > knows, how he is facing the challenge. > To know the actual truth, always see the left palm > of the native and the right palm. > Check what does the left hand shows. Specially the > fate Line. That is the arudha on the left hand. > The right hand shows the real arudha, what the native > actually is. If the fate Line is weak on the > left hand, while on the right it > is clear and strong, then it means, > he has cleared the Badhaksthana and shown his > efforts and vigour in the Life Journey, and overcome > the Badhas to make a sthana or space for himself. > > I would need at least 200 Lines more to explain this, > but hope you would get the meaning with just what > have written above. Also check the Surya rekha on the > right hand.If absent on left and present on right, > then this native is bound to rise in Life through his > own efforts. In this case there would be connection > Lagna Lord with the 10th House or MC. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > i am never into arguing sir..just sharing my own views. I never want > > to force my views. > > Its just like i cannot accpet anything this is my worst habit. Even > > in college lectures i was the most questioning guy. and teachers > > were not to like this but appreciated because they knew i am not > > asking wrong question. > > Sir you are the only one who answers my question so i feel like to > > discuss with you. I may sometime get harsh in language but that > > doesnt mean i am into arguing. > > > > But sir, when i read your mail on Maya, i felt that everything is > > controlled by Arudha then. What is truth is hidden and what is shown > > is arudha. > > Arudha is mirror ...by which u see world and by the same world see u. > > > > Hope to learn more from you. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > You are a smart one, who don't come commonly > > > but rarely. I am not hurt but just get scared > > > of your enthusiasm and zeal in astrology, and > > > your arguments too. Because I do not wish to > > > have you on the wrong side of the wall, thats > > > all. I appreciate your spirit and do not wish > > > to end up arguing endlessly with you > > > about which I had some intuitions, a month ago, > > > that You are the next Man " Wanted " on this List, > > > to argue with Bhaskar, which I wish to avoid, > > > with anybody, and not just with You, > > > as want to keep the Forum clear > > > of any heat. As soon as it looks like the > > > argument is going to end up in a mirage, > > > I would like to turn away. > > > > > > Ah yes, You have turned the dinner on me now. > > > Thats why I said, people like you > > > dont come easy, but once in a millenium. > > > I got the first laugh today since morning > > > on reading your reply on that. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Sir i apologize if i made you upset with my mail. > > > > > > > > but i didnt meant anything in it actually. > > > > > > > > But dinner is pending from your side in your daughter's > > marriage > > > > ha ha. > > > > > > > > sir. yes it is true that everything is Maya. What we feel is > > right > > > > or wrong we donot know. the same happned with me in my previous > > mail > > > > that i wrote something else i wanted to write. > > > > > > > > yes if we start to question astrology then there are 1000's of > > > > things which will remain unanswered. and truly god can only know > > > > what is retrogression and how it effect human. and even > > commodities. > > > > means living and non-living things. > > > > > > > > I again apologize if i hurt u. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > Everything is Maya here till one understands the > > > > > actual truth. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know > > > > > that the Sun is always there.. > > > > > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood > > > > > it is round. > > > > > You and me are Maya until we go up. > > > > > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till > > > > > they understood that it is not a Planet. > > > > > When we say that two planets are in conjunction > > > > > in same degrees, does not mean that they are > > > > > actually kissing each other. > > > > > Because when we watch from a point on earth > > > > > the angular distance makes them to be seen > > > > > together from here,whereas they may be millions of > > > > > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This > > > > > is Maya. > > > > > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us, > > > > > for actually there may be many more, but we will have > > > > > to reach the heavens to know the truth. > > > > > The space we know of a sempty, may not be actually so, > > > > > there may be many worlds there in the Universe, > > > > > whoch may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal > > > > > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not > > > > > know of. > > > > > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas > > > > > there may be another dimension too which this physical > > > > > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the > > > > > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as > > > > > truth, till we come to know what actually the > > > > > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us. > > > > > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has > > > > > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape > > > > > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him, > > > > > that a tiger there nearby. > > > > > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart > > > > > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out > > > > > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out > > > > > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out > > > > > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more > > > > > realisation and intuition coupled > > > > > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer > > > > > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like > > > > > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of > > > > > us, that there are no single shot rules working for > > > > > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for > > > > > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry, > > > > > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of > > > > > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along > > > > > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one > > > > > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in > > > > > a train, sitting near the window, and when another > > > > > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to > > > > > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train > > > > > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it > > > > > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the > > > > > other train which we are watching. This is the same > > > > > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary. > > > > > > > > > > We can never be able to interpret retrogression > > > > > completely because there are various angles to each. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras. > > > > > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses. > > > > > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses. > > > > > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords > > > > > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with > > > > > other retrograde planet. > > > > > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted > > > > > Planet. > > > > > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated > > > > > Planet. > > > > > 8) Retrograde planet in own house. > > > > > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house. > > > > > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation. > > > > > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation. > > > > > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good > > > > > house in Navamsha chart. > > > > > > > > > > I can write another 20 placements like above. > > > > > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above? > > > > > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses. > > > > > How to contend with so many permutations and > > > > > combinations ? It is not possible humanely. > > > > > > > > > > But individually answers can be sought and found. > > > > > Every astrologer has to search for his own > > > > > way and style of judgement which should be changeable > > > > > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be > > > > > developed, which would give the answer when one is > > > > > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast > > > > > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to > > > > > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory > > > > > results written by various famous astrologers, so which > > > > > one to believe and which one to not ? > > > > > > > > > > This has to be an individual decision. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to > > > > > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on > > > > > individual to individual. > > > > > > > > > > You now owe me Rs.1000- for the time spent in > > > > > writing this reply to you, and praising you.If > > > > > You do not wish to pay, then at least one Dinner > > > > > is due from you. > > > > > > > > > > At least we are reaching somewhere,with various > > > > > views is what to be seen, otherwise nobody can > > > > > interpret Retrogression completely in this world > > > > > except God. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot for praising me. > > > > > > > > > > > > ////> Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > //// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir retrogression donot happens in the orbit, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is like the cycle race in a stadium. in a elliptical > > orbit. > > > > > > > > > > > > if we donot consider the rank in race i.e. first or last. > > then > > > > you > > > > > > will see no one ahead or losing the race. > > > > > > > > > > > > but if the person who is having low radius to travel will > > > > complete > > > > > > the lap first and who has large radius will take alot of > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > i will send you few pdf files, but this is not maya but the > > > > distance > > > > > > between the planet is so far we are not able to interpretate > > > > > > retrogression completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good arguments, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > > > > > > house as per > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START > > > > > > > OF FIRST HOUSE. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was the best observation by You. You are now > > > > > > > moving scientifically in Your study of astrology. > > > > > > > Great. That is the power of bhava Chalit which > > > > > > > actually shows the reality of the position of planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // hen we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts > > > > > > > as in placidus system. Why we leave them. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not all leave them. The truly studios astrologer would > > > > > > > start looking for the effects he has made in his study > > > > > > > of aspects etc, in real Life happennings, as soon as > > > > > > > the planet in questions starts moving in trine or > > > > > > > Square or opposition,both at entry and at seperation, > > > > > > > and match them with his own conclusions. In the > > > > > > > Natal Chart too, one can look for the strength of the > > > > > > > opposition. We automatically look for them when the > > > > > > > Birth is at Purnima or nearby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //> Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering > > > > > > > the planet in > previous house. without any tecnical > > > > > > > reason.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would too agree to what You say, but at times, I believe > > > > > > > what these great astrologers like KN Rao say, because if > > > > > > > they say something, then I assume they must have already > > > > > > > spent some time on this, and they say with authority, and > > > > > > > if I start searching for technical reasons everywhere, I > > > > > > > may waste my time, and miss the Bus. Truths in astrology > > > > > > > are suddenly revealed when one is into some other aspect > > > > > > > of the science and stumbles upon one suddenly, about > > > > > > > which he wished to know previously, some day. > > > > > > > One truthe about the power of retrograde planets has > > > > > > > been revealed by the shloka which Mr.Venkatji put up. > > > > > > > Deva Keralam also has some references if I remember well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion > > > > > > > i.e. of solar orbit > and when the retrogression happens > > > > > > > it is proved that it cannot pretend to be in previous > > house.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha Ha. Actually when you draw a Diagram and put Life in > > > > > > > these planets and they start moving. You would find that > > > > > > > there is no retrogression at all. This backward motion > > > > > > > is just imaginary. That is the play of Maya. > > > > > > > But the Rishi Munis have already recorded what are the > > > > > > > effects when such a visual happens, so we attribute > > > > > > > the results to Exaltation,Deblitation, Own house etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any given point of time we are all newbies in > > > > > > > astrology.thanks for explaining the position of My > > > > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, accroding to my understanding, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your lagna is 15 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your guru is 12 deg. So you can count it in previous > > house > > > > as > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > bhava chalit. as taking 15 deg as START OF FIRST HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if your guru was 16 deg then 99% it should not be > > > > counted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly saying i wont agree this point of considering the > > > > planet > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > previous house. without any tecnical reason.(as per Shri > > KN > > > > Rao) > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am not saying that it is wrong or something like that. > > But > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > proof of this point is nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then we must also take 30 deg, 45 deg, 60 deg aspcts as > > in > > > > > > placidus > > > > > > > > system. Why we leave them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually if we draw a diagram of planetry motion i.e. of > > > > solar > > > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > and when the retrogression happens it is proved that it > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > pretend to be in previous house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be as i am very newbie in astrology, later in life i > > may > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > the true reason then may follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desr Venkatji,Tarunji and all those interested, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogression aspects ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote from a Book - > > > > > > > > > Ups and Downs in Career, by, > > > > > > > > > Shri KN Rao Sahab. > > > > > > > > > Page 15. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPECIAL RULE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A retrograde planet gives effects from the House > > > > > > > > > previous to the one in which it is positioned. For > > > > > > > > > example, if Saturn (retrograde)is in Aquarius, it > > > > > > > > > will give from Aquarius,aspects on Leo, which is > > > > > > > > > its 7th aspect , on Aries its 3rd aspect, and on > > > > > > > > > Scorpio, its tenth aspect. But being retrograde, > > > > > > > > > it will give effect from Capricorn also. It will > > > > > > > > > then aspect Cancer, Pisces and Libra through its > > > > > > > > > eventh, third and tenth aspects.In this way the > > > > > > > > > three planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars, can cover > > > > > > > > > three houses through their aspects and the fourth > > > > > > > > > through its position. When retrograde it will cover > > > > > > > > > four additional houses.This special rule is applied > > > > > > > > > throughout in our research, as it is, an ancient > > > > > > > > > method, used by Maharishi Bhrigu. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments - > > > > > > > > > I had met a old Gujarati astrologer who was also a > > > > > > > > > teacher to Gujrati students learning astrology. This > > > > > > > > > was 10-12 years ago. I do not know where he is now, > > > > > > > > > but I remember him saying specifically to me when he > > > > > > > > > learnt that I am a student of astrology too that - > > > > > > > > > You should always consider Jupiter retrograde (IN > > > > > > > > > My Chart)as aspecting from one house before, and it > > > > > > > > > is now aspecting Your 9th house,11th house and Lagna, > > > > > > > > > so Jupiter is good for You. I did not believe him at > > > > > > > > > that point of time, but after so many years, > > > > > > > > > I realize that the astounding predictions he had given > > > > > > > > > me for few matters including my Mars Mahadasha , all > > > > > > > > > turned true in time to come. He read my chart within > > > > > > > > > 10 minutes and all predictions he gave me from the > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > Chalit Chart which also I found improper, at that point > > > > > > > > > of time, but as I advanced in my studies, of course I > > > > > > > > > now use only the Cuspal Chart for my own predictions > > > > > > > > > too, I personally would not mind checking the results > > > > > > > > > from one house previous too, if some matter needs to > > > > > > > > > be explained or confirmed or checked, or where no > > > > > > > > > apparent reason is seen otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that same shloka it is also revealed that as > > > > > > > > > > retrogression ends, (The 2nd Line of the shloka) > > > > > > > > > > the rays have to be reduced by 8th part, and so > > > > > > > > > > is the case in enemy camp where the rays have to be > > > > > > > > > > reduced by 12th part. > > > > > > > > > > Now I think the last word itself means to divide the > > > > > > > > > > total and reduce by 12th part. ( " Bhaga " in the > > olden > > > > > > > > > > days was meant and used to denote Division. Not only > > > > > > > > > > in olden days,but I think in Hindi schools they > > > > > > > > > > must be using same terminology even today in Ganit > > > > > > > > > > class. And of course " hani " means loss). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above shloka has thus given special impetus > > > > > > > > > > to Retrogression. Otherwise it would not > > > > > > > > > > have mentioned this seperately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the shloka. This denotes that the > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > becomes strong when it occupies own Rasi, friends > > Rasi, > > > > > > > > > > > or in Exaltation state, or in Retrogression , But > > does > > > > > > > > > > > it denote the houses on which the Dhrishti falls ? > > > > > > > > > > > Or does it denote the Directions in which the rays > > > > > > > > > > > are Directed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank you for taking part in this discussion. We > > all > > > > > > > > > > > learn when we get varied views and different > > versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope others would have followed suit, with what > > they > > > > > > > > > > > have read,learnt,heard or experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala > > > > pathi > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this I wish to bring to your kind reference > > > > that in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Fifth > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter of 'JATHAKAPARIJATHA' > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24: under " Haranam " the following Sloka > > is > > > > noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Swarasithungathisuhruthgrahasthe Vakropage thu > > > > > > > > > > dviguneekruthamsu hu| > > > > > > > > > > > > Vakraavaseneashtambagavarjaya sapathnge > > > > > > dwadesabhagahani|| > > > > > > > > 24 || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sloka 24. When the planet is in its own Rasi, > > in > > > > its > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation, in the house of a very friendly > > planet,or > > > > in > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde motion, it has its rays doubled for > > > > Ayurdaya > > > > > > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, the 'drushti' of the Planet in > > > > > > relation to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house he occupies, and being > > > > > > > > > > > > 'retrograde' in the house only is accounted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > care Dr. Sreenivasan, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, Heath Road, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nettleham, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > > > Ln2 2ZX U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > > > > their > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 good point. of course all yoga should manifest from the moon chart as that is standard practice. thank you, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 dear mr.tarun, kindly note.............. The Earth's seasons are not caused by the differences in the distance from the Sun throughout the year (these differences are extremely small). The seasons are the result of the tilt of the Earth's axis. The Earth's axis is tilted from perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic by 23.45°. This tilting is what gives us the four seasons of the year - spring, summer, autumn (fall) and winter. Since the axis is tilted, different parts of the globe are oriented towards the Sun at different times of the year. paresh vaidya , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > you are very correct. > > i had same view, just lacked the explanation > > it is the same way when earth is near to sun we have summers and > when earth is away from sun ;we have winters. > why so..?? because we are not receving sun's energy completely. > > and it is all energy management which makes us to receive the mutual > gravitational force in different ratio. > > all planets have gravitational force, i.e. north pole and south > pole. and when some other planet is moved out of axis we get some > unbalanced form of energy. which is called counted as negative / > positve influence of retrograde planet. > > Thanks for taking part in the thread. > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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