Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , SAVITHRI MAHESH > <savithri_mahesh2000@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Tarun > > > > I have a chart with sani in 12 and the lagna being Kanya. The > native neither drinks nor smokes. > > > > The fifth and sixth lord in 12th house. The native is blessed with > two children. The sani has not spoiled 5th bhava. He is also healthy > without debts and no enemies. He is well off. The aspect of sani on > 2nd bhava has not affected the wealth. > > > > Without other planetary position u cannot arrive at these conclusion. > > > > His birth details: 14 Nov 1977 at 4.10AM born at Hyderabad > > > > His moon in 4th bhava will it affect the mother in moon dasa? > > > > savithri > > > > Dear Tarun, I have one more chart with shani in 8 bhava in rashi > chart for dhanur lagna, in navamsha in 10 bhava. > Shani aspects surya lord of 9 bhava in 2 bhava in rashi chart, in > navamsha shani again aspect surya in 1 bhava from 10 bhava,mangal and > rahu in 8 bhava in navamsha, mangal have aspect from 8 bhava on kethu > in 2 bhava. I now that person 11 years and every time when have shani > in some dasha period he love to go to bars and to drink etc. > Indication is aspect of shani on graha in second bhava. > > regards, > ashwini Sorry for mistakes, shani in navamsha not have drishti on surya. regards, ashwini > > ashwinikumaras <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > , " vreality_au " > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > > > intoxicants. > > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > rgds > > > Su > > > > > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my > > case. > > > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > Dear Tarun I have shani in 12 bhava retrograde in rashi chart, in > > navamsha in 4 bhava. In one period in my life I smoke and live not to > > some normal rhythm, but in mangal dasha not shani. > > > > I think that drishti from 8 and 12 bhava from shani on some graha in 2 > > bhava give some indication for intoxication. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and > Intoxication > > > > by the native. > > > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > > > Autos. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Tarunji, Interesting question. Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with Rahu) However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to arrive at a conclusion Regards, aavesh vreality_au <reality_v wrote: Dear Tarun I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to intoxicants. I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. rgds Su , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi <kcdd8 wrote: > > Dear Tarun > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my case. > > K C Dwivedi > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > Hello Members, > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > by the native. > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > native to consume such things. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear group members, This type of discussion is baseless.Just on one placement how any conclusion can be made ? In certain community intoxication is considered as crime. There you will find 95% of people not drinking/smoking or in habit any other type of intoxication, & still have saturn in 3/6/8/12 house. In this world atleast 100,000 birth takes place every day with Saturn in 3/6/8/12 house. What do we think about this cases ? Paresh Vaidya , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Hello Members, > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > by the native. > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > native to consume such things. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Dwivedi ji, Thanks for taking part in the thread. I was trying to ask that is it responsible in most of the cases or not. Definately Saturn is a major player for intoxicaton. Not in all but in many cases. Saturn rahu is mostly seen even if saturn is in Rahu's nakshatra then too person is addicted either taking medicines heavily / regularly to relax himself, alcohol or just smoking is not a part. I guess in your birth is around of 1970 where Saturn was in debilation too. Saturn in debilation definately creates attraction towards available intoxicants. Hope to hear more from your side to share your experiences on the same. thanks and Warm Regards, Tarun , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi <kcdd8 wrote: > > Dear Tarun > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my case. > > K C Dwivedi > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > Hello Members, > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > by the native. > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > native to consume such things. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hello Su, Thanks for your mail Yes i have your chart with me, Yes whole chart is definately needed, but i asked " " Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes native to consume such things. " " Not only alchohal but taking drugs, medicines regularly which they take to relax themself, also are to be considered. Thanks and Warm Regards, Tarun , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Tarun > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > intoxicants. > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > rgds > Su > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my case. > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > > by the native. > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > native to consume such things. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ashwini ji, Thanks for taking part in the thread. Yes definitely this is a good point to observe about the aspect of Saturn on 2nd house by any of its aspect. Actually 12th house is house of subconscious state of mind, and 2nd house is conscious state of mind , and intoxicants are used to relax oneself either from tensions or stress. Hope other members share there experiences too. Warm Regards, Tarun , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > > intoxicants. > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > > > rgds > > Su > > > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my > case. > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > Dear Tarun I have shani in 12 bhava retrograde in rashi chart, in > navamsha in 4 bhava. In one period in my life I smoke and live not to > some normal rhythm, but in mangal dasha not shani. > > I think that drishti from 8 and 12 bhava from shani on some graha in 2 > bhava give some indication for intoxication. > > regards, > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > > > by the native. > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > > Autos. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Savithri ji, Thanks for taking part in the thread. seeing me , no one can say that i do smoke or not. But what is hidden cant be said, yes one can say abt himself. I am here to discuss only about saturn so cannot say abt his moon dasha too. 5th planet in 12th house in 90% cases has proved this theory wrong. So donot consider that 5th lord in 12th house donot promise kids It would be great if you have charts of drunkards or chain smokers etc. Please share them too. Warm Regards, Tarun , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Mr Tarun > > I have a chart with sani in 12 and the lagna being Kanya. The native neither drinks nor smokes. > > The fifth and sixth lord in 12th house. The native is blessed with two children. The sani has not spoiled 5th bhava. He is also healthy without debts and no enemies. He is well off. The aspect of sani on 2nd bhava has not affected the wealth. > > Without other planetary position u cannot arrive at these conclusion. > > His birth details: 14 Nov 1977 at 4.10AM born at Hyderabad > > His moon in 4th bhava will it affect the mother in moon dasa? > > savithri > > ashwinikumaras <ashwinikumaras wrote: > , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > > intoxicants. > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > > > rgds > > Su > > > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my > case. > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > Dear Tarun I have shani in 12 bhava retrograde in rashi chart, in > navamsha in 4 bhava. In one period in my life I smoke and live not to > some normal rhythm, but in mangal dasha not shani. > > I think that drishti from 8 and 12 bhava from shani on some graha in 2 > bhava give some indication for intoxication. > > regards, > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > > > by the native. > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > > Autos. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Aavesh ji, Thanks for taking part in the thread, but whole chart will also have Sani maharaj in it. So again point arises that will he help a person to consume intoxicants. ? if would be great if you can share charts of drunkards and drug addicts. Thanks and Warm Regards, Tarun , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Tarunji, > > Interesting question. > > Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with Rahu) > > However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to arrive at a conclusion > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > vreality_au <reality_v wrote: > Dear Tarun > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > intoxicants. > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > rgds > Su > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my case. > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > > by the native. > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > native to consume such things. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ashwini ji, If you have charts of such persons , it would be great to share. Saturn is definately a major cause of taking intoxicants , rahu's conjuction makes it on little higher level or in quantity. Food or consuming items are taken by mouth so 2nd house is for sure responsible for such. Warm Regards, Tarun > > Dear Tarun, I have one more chart with shani in 8 bhava in rashi > chart for dhanur lagna, in navamsha in 10 bhava. > Shani aspects surya lord of 9 bhava in 2 bhava in rashi chart, in > navamsha shani again aspect surya in 1 bhava from 10 bhava,mangal and > rahu in 8 bhava in navamsha, mangal have aspect from 8 bhava on kethu > in 2 bhava. I now that person 11 years and every time when have shani > in some dasha period he love to go to bars and to drink etc. > Indication is aspect of shani on graha in second bhava. > > regards, > ashwini > > ashwinikumaras <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > , " vreality_au " > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > > > intoxicants. > > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > rgds > > > Su > > > > > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my > > case. > > > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > Dear Tarun I have shani in 12 bhava retrograde in rashi chart, in > > navamsha in 4 bhava. In one period in my life I smoke and live not to > > some normal rhythm, but in mangal dasha not shani. > > > > I think that drishti from 8 and 12 bhava from shani on some graha in 2 > > bhava give some indication for intoxication. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and > Intoxication > > > > by the native. > > > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > > > Autos. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Tarunji: For taking intoxicats you cannot go by one planet. Second house should also be seen as in what planets are placed there and what planets its lord is associated with. Besides this dasha plays an important role. I was taking alcohol in my rahu mahadasha but stopped when Jupiter dasha started. I have sat in my 2nd house. Sincerely Gaurav --- aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > Dear Tarunji, > > Interesting question. > > Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such > conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with > Rahu) > > However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to > arrive at a conclusion > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > vreality_au <reality_v wrote: > Dear Tarun > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm > averse to > intoxicants. > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into > consideration. > > rgds > Su > > , Krishna Chandra > Dwivedi > <kcdd8 wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and > aspected by > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my > chart. I had been > smoking heavily, though I have given it up > completely now. I have > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate > quantity. > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics > may perhaps be > the reason for these not to take the form of severe > addiction in my case. > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Hello Members, > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya > house and Intoxication > > by the native. > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, > smoking etc. > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn > in 3/6/8/12 makes > > native to consume such things. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a > reality with > Autos. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. Click > here. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Gaurav ji, Yes ofcourse dasha is important because dasha designs the mind of that person, if he is happy he wont take alcohol, but if he is in bad state of mind he will. Even one single planet do not promise for alcohal, but " Guru , mercury, venus , sun, moon , mars " and rest 3 " rahu , ketu , saturn. " now what planet can say among these to take intoxicants. I have found most of the college going students , most of the engineers do smoke and drink, this is my practical experience. Yes we cannot also say that in western countries most of the people take. Even i have saturn in 2nd house in libra. as i am virgo lagna. But what are planets responsible for Habit of taking intoxicants regularly. If you have charts of persons who are addicted to intoxicants, it would be a great excerise to find out what dasha and what planet made them to take alcohal. Actually this i m doing so that our future generation if have such combination then we have this point in mind ,that they may go on wrong path. Warm Regards, Tarun , Gaurav Kapur <groovyacharya wrote: > > Dear Tarunji: > > For taking intoxicats you cannot go by one planet. > Second house should also be seen as in what planets > are placed there and what planets its lord is > associated with. Besides this dasha plays an important > role. I was taking alcohol in my rahu mahadasha but > stopped when Jupiter dasha started. I have sat in my > 2nd house. > > Sincerely > Gaurav > --- aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > Interesting question. > > > > Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such > > conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with > > Rahu) > > > > However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to > > arrive at a conclusion > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > vreality_au <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Tarun > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm > > averse to > > intoxicants. > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into > > consideration. > > > > rgds > > Su > > > > , Krishna Chandra > > Dwivedi > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and > > aspected by > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my > > chart. I had been > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up > > completely now. I have > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate > > quantity. > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics > > may perhaps be > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe > > addiction in my case. > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya > > house and Intoxication > > > by the native. > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, > > smoking etc. > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn > > in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a > > reality with > > Autos. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. Click > > here. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Tarunji: I will surely look for some charts in my databank and find out some for you. This can be an interesting research if you do it. But dont say that if a person is happy he doesnt take alcohol. All the youngsters these days are earning loads of money and go to these pubs daily and buy drinks as expensive as 300 a bottle of beer. In westeren countries most of the people take as it is in there culture. So the theory " Desh Kaal Patra " also comes into play. Now same thing is happening in India as all the younsters are getting into it. I wrote to you that i was taking myself when i was in college but that was my Rahu Mahadasha and Jup dasha which concided with finishing my studies changed me completely and i stopped taking it. U c having an addiction and drinking it occasionally is two different things. So what you should do is that you should make two different sets of horoscopes one would be occasional or social drinker and the other one would be regular or addicted. I can surely help you with this research but can only do it after Sept 25 as then i would be back in India and would have access to all my databanks. Sincerely Gaurav --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > Dear Gaurav ji, > > Yes ofcourse dasha is important because dasha > designs the mind of that > person, if he is happy he wont take alcohol, but if > he is in bad state > of mind he will. > > Even one single planet do not promise for alcohal, > but > > " Guru , mercury, venus , sun, moon , mars " > > and rest 3 " rahu , ketu , saturn. " > > now what planet can say among these to take > intoxicants. > > I have found most of the college going students , > most of the > engineers do smoke and drink, this is my practical > experience. > > Yes we cannot also say that in western countries > most of the people take. > > Even i have saturn in 2nd house in libra. as i am > virgo lagna. > > But what are planets responsible for Habit of taking > intoxicants > regularly. > > If you have charts of persons who are addicted to > intoxicants, it > would be a great excerise to find out what dasha and > what planet made > them to take alcohal. > > Actually this i m doing so that our future > generation if have such > combination then we have this point in mind ,that > they may go on wrong > path. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > > > > > > , Gaurav Kapur > <groovyacharya > wrote: > > > > Dear Tarunji: > > > > For taking intoxicats you cannot go by one planet. > > Second house should also be seen as in what > planets > > are placed there and what planets its lord is > > associated with. Besides this dasha plays an > important > > role. I was taking alcohol in my rahu mahadasha > but > > stopped when Jupiter dasha started. I have sat in > my > > 2nd house. > > > > Sincerely > > Gaurav > > --- aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > Interesting question. > > > > > > Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such > > > conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with > > > Rahu) > > > > > > However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to > > > arrive at a conclusion > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > vreality_au <reality_v wrote: > > > Dear Tarun > > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. > I'm > > > averse to > > > intoxicants. > > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into > > > consideration. > > > > > > rgds > > > Su > > > > > > , Krishna > Chandra > > > Dwivedi > > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus > and > > > aspected by > > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my > > > chart. I had been > > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up > > > completely now. I have > > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in > moderate > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the > benefics > > > may perhaps be > > > the reason for these not to take the form of > severe > > > addiction in my case. > > > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in > Upachya > > > house and Intoxication > > > > by the native. > > > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, > tobacco, > > > smoking etc. > > > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that > saturn > > > in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it > a > > > reality with > > > Autos. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > Click > > > here. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > sell. > > http://searchmarketing./ > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Gaurav ji, it would be really great. Yes social drinkers and regular drinkers makes a difference. I guess some other plantery conjuction come into role here. like influence of guru / venus / mercury can change the habits. Even i tried to find out the persons who are regular drinkers but i have just 50-60 charts, and my friends are very few in them. So its hard to find the hidden habits too. Thanks and Warm Regards, Tarun , Gaurav Kapur <groovyacharya wrote: > > Dear Tarunji: > > I will surely look for some charts in my databank and > find out some for you. This can be an interesting > research if you do it. > > But dont say that if a person is happy he doesnt take > alcohol. All the youngsters these days are earning > loads of money and go to these pubs daily and buy > drinks as expensive as 300 a bottle of beer. > > In westeren countries most of the people take as it is > in there culture. So the theory " Desh Kaal Patra " > also comes into play. > > Now same thing is happening in India as all the > younsters are getting into it. I wrote to you that i > was taking myself when i was in college but that was > my Rahu Mahadasha and Jup dasha which concided with > finishing my studies changed me completely and i > stopped taking it. > > U c having an addiction and drinking it occasionally > is two different things. > > So what you should do is that you should make two > different sets of horoscopes one would be occasional > or social drinker and the other one would be regular > or addicted. > > I can surely help you with this research but can only > do it after Sept 25 as then i would be back in India > and would have access to all my databanks. > > Sincerely > Gaurav > > --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav ji, > > > > Yes ofcourse dasha is important because dasha > > designs the mind of that > > person, if he is happy he wont take alcohol, but if > > he is in bad state > > of mind he will. > > > > Even one single planet do not promise for alcohal, > > but > > > > " Guru , mercury, venus , sun, moon , mars " > > > > and rest 3 " rahu , ketu , saturn. " > > > > now what planet can say among these to take > > intoxicants. > > > > I have found most of the college going students , > > most of the > > engineers do smoke and drink, this is my practical > > experience. > > > > Yes we cannot also say that in western countries > > most of the people take. > > > > Even i have saturn in 2nd house in libra. as i am > > virgo lagna. > > > > But what are planets responsible for Habit of taking > > intoxicants > > regularly. > > > > If you have charts of persons who are addicted to > > intoxicants, it > > would be a great excerise to find out what dasha and > > what planet made > > them to take alcohal. > > > > Actually this i m doing so that our future > > generation if have such > > combination then we have this point in mind ,that > > they may go on wrong > > path. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gaurav Kapur > > <groovyacharya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarunji: > > > > > > For taking intoxicats you cannot go by one planet. > > > Second house should also be seen as in what > > planets > > > are placed there and what planets its lord is > > > associated with. Besides this dasha plays an > > important > > > role. I was taking alcohol in my rahu mahadasha > > but > > > stopped when Jupiter dasha started. I have sat in > > my > > > 2nd house. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Gaurav > > > --- aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > > > Interesting question. > > > > > > > > Shani Maharaj in the 8th can lead to such > > > > conditions ( particularly if it is in Yuti with > > > > Rahu) > > > > > > > > However,the chart as a whole has to be seen to > > > > arrive at a conclusion > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > vreality_au <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. > > I'm > > > > averse to > > > > intoxicants. > > > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Su > > > > > > > > , Krishna > > Chandra > > > > Dwivedi > > > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus > > and > > > > aspected by > > > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my > > > > chart. I had been > > > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up > > > > completely now. I have > > > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in > > moderate > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the > > benefics > > > > may perhaps be > > > > the reason for these not to take the form of > > severe > > > > addiction in my case. > > > > > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in > > Upachya > > > > house and Intoxication > > > > > by the native. > > > > > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, > > tobacco, > > > > smoking etc. > > > > > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that > > saturn > > > > in 3/6/8/12 makes > > > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it > > a > > > > reality with > > > > Autos. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > > Click > > > > here. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > > sell. > > > http://searchmarketing./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > If you have charts of such persons , it would be great to share. > > Saturn is definately a major cause of taking intoxicants , rahu's > conjuction makes it on little higher level or in quantity. > > Food or consuming items are taken by mouth so 2nd house is for sure > responsible for such. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > > > > > > Dear Tarun, I have one more chart with shani in 8 bhava in rashi > > chart for dhanur lagna, in navamsha in 10 bhava. > > Shani aspects surya lord of 9 bhava in 2 bhava in rashi chart, in > > navamsha shani again aspect surya in 1 bhava from 10 bhava,mangal and > > rahu in 8 bhava in navamsha, mangal have aspect from 8 bhava on kethu > > in 2 bhava. I now that person 11 years and every time when have shani > > in some dasha period he love to go to bars and to drink etc. > > Indication is aspect of shani on graha in second bhava. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > > ashwinikumaras <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > , " vreality_au " > > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > I hve Sa conj Ju in 12th, aspected by Ma fr 6th. I'm averse to > > > > intoxicants. > > > > I think the whole chart needs to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Su > > > > > > > > , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi > > > > <kcdd8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn (conjunct with Lagna Lord, Venus and aspected by > > > > Jupiter from 6th house) in the 12th House of my chart. I had been > > > > smoking heavily, though I have given it up completely now. I have > > > > also been a social drinker of alcohol in moderate quantity. > > > > > > > > > > I think the conjunction and aspect by the benefics may perhaps be > > > > the reason for these not to take the form of severe addiction in my > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > K C Dwivedi > > > > > > Dear Tarun I have shani in 12 bhava retrograde in rashi chart, in > > > navamsha in 4 bhava. In one period in my life I smoke and live not to > > > some normal rhythm, but in mangal dasha not shani. > > > > > > I think that drishti from 8 and 12 bhava from shani on some graha in 2 > > > bhava give some indication for intoxication. > > > > > > regards, > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and > > Intoxication > > > > > by the native. > > > > > > > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > > > > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 > makes > > > > > native to consume such things. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > > > > Autos. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Paresh ji, Yes absolutely, this discussion is really baseless but what we small astrologers can do who donot know anything. So you can start sharing some good valuable thoughts from your books. Warm Regards, Tarun , " paresh.vaidya " <paresh.vaidya wrote: > > Dear group members, > > This type of discussion is baseless.Just on one placement how any > conclusion can be made ? In certain community intoxication is > considered as crime. There you will find 95% of people not > drinking/smoking or in habit any other type of intoxication, & still > have saturn in 3/6/8/12 house. > In this world atleast 100,000 birth takes place every day with Saturn > in 3/6/8/12 house. What do we think about this cases ? > > Paresh Vaidya > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Hello Members, > > > > Please share your views about Saturn in Upachya house and Intoxication > > by the native. > > > > i.e. consumption of Alcohol and drugs, tobacco, smoking etc. > > > > Is this observed by you too in charts that saturn in 3/6/8/12 makes > > native to consume such things. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ashwini ji, Thanks for this chart I think this person drinks as for Status symbol mostly. but on other point, mars and saturn makes a chemical configuration too. Might be that is a reason for mars cycles. hope to find more charts. Warm Regards, tarun > >Dear Tarun I have read post of others members and I must tell you > that person is not regular drinker,just when is active shani or mangal > in some dasha periods.Then he goes in bars and drink but not every day. > > Data: > date:24.01.1977 > time:05.10.00 > long:15E58, > lat:45N48 > country: Croatia (Europe) > Town: Zagreb > > regards, > ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > Thanks for this chart > I think this person drinks as for Status symbol mostly. > > but on other point, mars and saturn makes a chemical configuration > too. Might be that is a reason for mars cycles. > > hope to find more charts. > > Warm Regards, > > tarun > > > > > > >Dear Tarun I have read post of others members and I must tell you > > that person is not regular drinker,just when is active shani or mangal > > in some dasha periods.Then he goes in bars and drink but not every day. > > > > Data: > > date:24.01.1977 > > time:05.10.00 > > long:15E58, > > lat:45N48 > > country: Croatia (Europe) > > Town: Zagreb > > > > regards, > > ashwini > Yes sometimes he drinks just for pose and status. But sometimes drink for drink himself, for psychic reason or something like that. But I always check 2 house and 8 house first for such thing, of course and completely chart and other vargas. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ashwini ji, yes I also try to find supporting factors , which can give person a good frame of mind. ofcourse whole chart is observed, but as venus is karak for spouse and money. ...who is karak for such things and as venus in 12th gives ....good results, which positon of corresponding planet promises for intoxicants. Yes your observation is very exact about the 2nd and 8th house. Thanks for sharing your views. Warm Regards, Tarun , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > Thanks for this chart > > I think this person drinks as for Status symbol mostly. > > > > but on other point, mars and saturn makes a chemical configuration > > too. Might be that is a reason for mars cycles. > > > > hope to find more charts. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Tarun I have read post of others members and I must tell you > > > that person is not regular drinker,just when is active shani or mangal > > > in some dasha periods.Then he goes in bars and drink but not every > day. > > > > > > Data: > > > date:24.01.1977 > > > time:05.10.00 > > > long:15E58, > > > lat:45N48 > > > country: Croatia (Europe) > > > Town: Zagreb > > > > > > regards, > > > ashwini > > > Yes sometimes he drinks just for pose and status. But sometimes drink > for drink himself, for psychic reason or something like that. > But I always check 2 house and 8 house first for such thing, of > course and completely chart and other vargas. > > regards, > ashwini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > yes I also try to find supporting factors , which can give person a > good frame of mind. > ofcourse whole chart is observed, but as venus is karak for spouse and > money. ...who is karak for such things and as venus in 12th gives > ...good results, which positon of corresponding planet promises for > intoxicants. > > Yes your observation is very exact about the 2nd and 8th house. > > Thanks for sharing your views. > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun > > > , " ashwinikumaras " > <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > > > Thanks for this chart > > > I think this person drinks as for Status symbol mostly. > > > > > > but on other point, mars and saturn makes a chemical configuration > > > too. Might be that is a reason for mars cycles. > > > > > > hope to find more charts. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Tarun I have read post of others members and I must tell you > > > > that person is not regular drinker,just when is active shani or > mangal > > > > in some dasha periods.Then he goes in bars and drink but not every > > day. > > > > > > > > Data: > > > > date:24.01.1977 > > > > time:05.10.00 > > > > long:15E58, > > > > lat:45N48 > > > > country: Croatia (Europe) > > > > Town: Zagreb > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > ashwini > > > > > Yes sometimes he drinks just for pose and status. But sometimes drink > > for drink himself, for psychic reason or something like that. > > But I always check 2 house and 8 house first for such thing, of > > course and completely chart and other vargas. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house (lord of maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for mesha lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. Lord of the second house is demaged. Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord of 5 bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha periods.Surya not let this happen. In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha lagna. Second house in navamsha demaged too. Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I hope I write very well. I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze wrong that correct me. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > yes I also try to find supporting factors , which can give person a > > good frame of mind. > > ofcourse whole chart is observed, but as venus is karak for spouse and > > money. ...who is karak for such things and as venus in 12th gives > > ...good results, which positon of corresponding planet promises for > > intoxicants. > > > > Yes your observation is very exact about the 2nd and 8th house. > > > > Thanks for sharing your views. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > , " ashwinikumaras " > > <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for this chart > > > > I think this person drinks as for Status symbol mostly. > > > > > > > > but on other point, mars and saturn makes a chemical configuration > > > > too. Might be that is a reason for mars cycles. > > > > > > > > hope to find more charts. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Tarun I have read post of others members and I must tell you > > > > > that person is not regular drinker,just when is active shani or > > mangal > > > > > in some dasha periods.Then he goes in bars and drink but not every > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > Data: > > > > > date:24.01.1977 > > > > > time:05.10.00 > > > > > long:15E58, > > > > > lat:45N48 > > > > > country: Croatia (Europe) > > > > > Town: Zagreb > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > Yes sometimes he drinks just for pose and status. But sometimes drink > > > for drink himself, for psychic reason or something like that. > > > But I always check 2 house and 8 house first for such thing, of > > > course and completely chart and other vargas. > > > > > > regards, > > > ashwini > > > > > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house (lord of > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for mesha > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord of 5 > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > periods.Surya not let this happen. > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha lagna. > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I hope > I write very well. > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze wrong that > correct me. > > regards, > ashwini > Of course plus for surya is exaltation in navamsha. I have focus in that analyze just on 2 and 8 house and his lordships, and on shani role in that story. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Ashwini ji, Thanks for your analysis and giving time to share your views too in this topic. It would be a great help if more people adds to any discussion. Saturn's aspect on 2nd house has made this person to consume alcohal, and surya being in 2nd house is making him controlled in his drinking habits. Surya is making him limited to Social Status level. Mars is also aspecting saturn by its 8th aspect. and Rahu's and mars antara makes him to consume more. Actually the main point what i am observing here is when Saturn's negative strength is increased he consume more. Rahu is bad for Sun , so that time Sun's strength is reduced so that makes saturn to gain strength, Mars's aspect is good for saturn in negative attitude. So again in mars antara saturn's negative influence is increased. This is what i think, i donot know what shastra say for this. Warm Regards, Tarun. Ps. About your english, if a person living in India donot make mistakes in english then he is not Indian ..just a joke... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house (lord of > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for mesha > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord of 5 > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > periods.Surya not let this happen. > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha lagna. > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I hope > I write very well. > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze wrong that > correct me. > > regards, > ashwini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > Thanks for your analysis and giving time to share your views too in > this topic. > It would be a great help if more people adds to any discussion. > > Saturn's aspect on 2nd house has made this person to consume alcohal, > and surya being in 2nd house is making him controlled in his drinking > habits. Surya is making him limited to Social Status level. > Mars is also aspecting saturn by its 8th aspect. > > and Rahu's and mars antara makes him to consume more. > > Actually the main point what i am observing here is when Saturn's > negative strength is increased he consume more. > > Rahu is bad for Sun , so that time Sun's strength is reduced so that > makes saturn to gain strength, Mars's aspect is good for saturn in > negative attitude. So again in mars antara saturn's negative influence > is increased. > > This is what i think, i donot know what shastra say for this. > > > Warm Regards, > > Tarun. > > Ps. About your english, if a person living in India donot make > mistakes in english then he is not Indian ..just a joke... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house (lord of > > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for mesha > > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord of 5 > > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, > > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > > periods.Surya not let this happen. > > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha lagna. > > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I hope > > I write very well. > > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze wrong that > > correct me. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > >Dear Tarun, I also think that antardasha or prantyar dasha of mangal or rahu increase this negative habits and dashas of surya, guru, help him in overcoming this negative attitude. P.S. I m not Indian, this is just my nick,my real name is Petar and I come from Croatia.This nick is very beautiful for me because my guru is that nakshatra.And probably like your saying of Indian and english, something similar work in same meter for my people . regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > Thanks for your analysis and giving time to share your views too in > > this topic. > > It would be a great help if more people adds to any discussion. > > > > Saturn's aspect on 2nd house has made this person to consume alcohal, > > and surya being in 2nd house is making him controlled in his drinking > > habits. Surya is making him limited to Social Status level. > > Mars is also aspecting saturn by its 8th aspect. > > > > and Rahu's and mars antara makes him to consume more. > > > > Actually the main point what i am observing here is when Saturn's > > negative strength is increased he consume more. > > > > Rahu is bad for Sun , so that time Sun's strength is reduced so that > > makes saturn to gain strength, Mars's aspect is good for saturn in > > negative attitude. So again in mars antara saturn's negative influence > > is increased. > > > > This is what i think, i donot know what shastra say for this. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun. > > > > Ps. About your english, if a person living in India donot make > > mistakes in english then he is not Indian ..just a joke... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > > > > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house (lord of > > > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for mesha > > > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > > > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > > > > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord of 5 > > > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > > > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > > > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, > > > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > > > periods.Surya not let this happen. > > > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > > > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > > > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha lagna. > > > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > > > > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I hope > > > I write very well. > > > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze wrong that > > > correct me. > > > > > > regards, > > > ashwini > > > > >Dear Tarun, > > I also think that antardasha or prantyar dasha of mangal or rahu > increase this negative habits and dashas of surya, guru, help him in > overcoming this negative attitude. > > P.S. > > I m not Indian, this is just my nick,my real name is Petar and I come > from Croatia.This nick is very beautiful for me because my guru is > that nakshatra.And probably like your saying of Indian and english, > something similar work in same meter for my people . > > regards, > ashwini >Lord of 8 house is chandra afflicted with mangal drishti and shani retrograde drishti from 7 bhava. In navamsha, chandra is in 6 house afflicted with shani retrograde drishti from 9 bhava.Lord of 8 house is damaged too. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " ashwinikumaras " > <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > > > Thanks for your analysis and giving time to share your views too in > > > this topic. > > > It would be a great help if more people adds to any discussion. > > > > > > Saturn's aspect on 2nd house has made this person to consume alcohal, > > > and surya being in 2nd house is making him controlled in his drinking > > > habits. Surya is making him limited to Social Status level. > > > Mars is also aspecting saturn by its 8th aspect. > > > > > > and Rahu's and mars antara makes him to consume more. > > > > > > Actually the main point what i am observing here is when Saturn's > > > negative strength is increased he consume more. > > > > > > Rahu is bad for Sun , so that time Sun's strength is reduced so that > > > makes saturn to gain strength, Mars's aspect is good for saturn in > > > negative attitude. So again in mars antara saturn's negative influence > > > is increased. > > > > > > This is what i think, i donot know what shastra say for this. > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > Tarun. > > > > > > Ps. About your english, if a person living in India donot make > > > mistakes in english then he is not Indian ..just a joke... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > > > > > > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house > (lord of > > > > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for > mesha > > > > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > > > > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > > > > > > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord > of 5 > > > > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > > > > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > > > > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 bhava, > > > > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > > > > periods.Surya not let this happen. > > > > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > > > > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > > > > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha > lagna. > > > > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I > hope > > > > I write very well. > > > > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze > wrong that > > > > correct me. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > ashwini > > > > > > >Dear Tarun, > > > > I also think that antardasha or prantyar dasha of mangal or rahu > > increase this negative habits and dashas of surya, guru, help him in > > overcoming this negative attitude. > > > > P.S. > > > > I m not Indian, this is just my nick,my real name is Petar and I come > > from Croatia.This nick is very beautiful for me because my guru is > > that nakshatra.And probably like your saying of Indian and english, > > something similar work in same meter for my people . > > > > regards, > > ashwini > >Lord of 8 house is chandra afflicted with mangal drishti and shani > retrograde drishti from 7 bhava. > In navamsha, chandra is in 6 house afflicted with shani retrograde > drishti from 9 bhava.Lord of 8 house is damaged too. > > regards, > ashwini > Shani is in ashlesha nakshatra.Lord of ashlesha is bud who is afflicted with mangal yuti and retrograde shani drishti from 7 bhava in rashi chart.Bud and shani is 6/8 axis. In navamsha bud is lord of trika house(3,6)double enemy for mesha lagna.Some relief come from guru drishti.Guru is afflicted in rashi from shani drishti and in navamsha is in between malefic. Again bud and shani is in 6/8 axis. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 , " ashwinikumaras " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " ashwinikumaras " > <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > > , " ashwinikumaras " > > <ashwinikumaras@> wrote: > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your analysis and giving time to share your views too in > > > > this topic. > > > > It would be a great help if more people adds to any discussion. > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspect on 2nd house has made this person to consume > alcohal, > > > > and surya being in 2nd house is making him controlled in his > drinking > > > > habits. Surya is making him limited to Social Status level. > > > > Mars is also aspecting saturn by its 8th aspect. > > > > > > > > and Rahu's and mars antara makes him to consume more. > > > > > > > > Actually the main point what i am observing here is when Saturn's > > > > negative strength is increased he consume more. > > > > > > > > Rahu is bad for Sun , so that time Sun's strength is reduced so that > > > > makes saturn to gain strength, Mars's aspect is good for saturn in > > > > negative attitude. So again in mars antara saturn's negative > influence > > > > is increased. > > > > > > > > This is what i think, i donot know what shastra say for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun. > > > > > > > > Ps. About your english, if a person living in India donot make > > > > mistakes in english then he is not Indian ..just a joke... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > If you like we can both analyze chart for exercise. > > > > > > > > > > Shani is lord of 2 house(retrograde,more malefic) in 8 house > > (lord of > > > > > maraka and trika house),in navamsha lord of 11 house(enemy) for > > mesha > > > > > lagna.Recive drishti of mangal(natural enemy for shani)in rashi. > > > > > Lord of the second house is demaged. > > > > > > > > > > Surya in second house is lord of 9 bhava and in navamsha is lord > > of 5 > > > > > bhava, strong lordships.But in rashi chart is aspected of malefic > > > > > shani and surya returns drishti and have connection ,in navamsha > > > > > situation is better for surya,receive drishti of guru from 9 > bhava, > > > > > because of that he probably is not heavy drinker in that dasha > > > > > periods.Surya not let this happen. > > > > > In navamsha ketu in 2 bhava recive drishti from 8 house and > > > > > mangal(lord of 1 and 8 house),mangal is demaged because conjuction > > > > > with rahu.Dispozitor of ketu is double maraka shukra for mesha > > lagna. > > > > > Second house in navamsha demaged too. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't write everything correct because my English, but I > > hope > > > > > I write very well. > > > > > I m beginner in Jyotish and I please you Tarun if I analyze > > wrong that > > > > > correct me. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > >Dear Tarun, > > > > > > I also think that antardasha or prantyar dasha of mangal or rahu > > > increase this negative habits and dashas of surya, guru, help him in > > > overcoming this negative attitude. > > > > > > P.S. > > > > > > I m not Indian, this is just my nick,my real name is Petar and I come > > > from Croatia.This nick is very beautiful for me because my guru is > > > that nakshatra.And probably like your saying of Indian and english, > > > something similar work in same meter for my people . > > > > > > regards, > > > ashwini > > >Lord of 8 house is chandra afflicted with mangal drishti and shani > > retrograde drishti from 7 bhava. > > In navamsha, chandra is in 6 house afflicted with shani retrograde > > drishti from 9 bhava.Lord of 8 house is damaged too. > > > > regards, > > ashwini > > > > Shani is in ashlesha nakshatra.Lord of ashlesha is bud who is > afflicted with mangal yuti and retrograde shani drishti from 7 bhava > in rashi chart.Bud and shani is 6/8 axis. In navamsha bud is lord of > trika house(3,6)double enemy for mesha lagna.Some relief come from > guru drishti.Guru is afflicted in rashi from shani drishti and in > navamsha is in between malefic. Again bud and shani is in 6/8 axis. > > regards, > ashwini > Dear Tarun,if I get some more similar charts I gave them on the forum, so we can practice and analyze some of predictive side of Jyotish of that problem. regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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