Sage Vasistha /Siddahanta Siromani & Different length of constellations

September 1, 2007

Thanks a lot for your efforts, Sunil.

PJ

, " jjnet2000_in " <jjnet2000_in

wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Siddhanta Siromani Quote

>

> Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By P.S.Sastri

>

> (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this context

> which is not reproduced here)

>

> (ii) Extension of Constellations

>

> Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform rate.

> This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our ancients.

> They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> constellation.

>

> The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga and

> ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal extension

> and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are explained

> specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the Spashtadhikara

> (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are relevant

> in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

>

> Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and Uttarbhadra

> have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

>

> Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each an

> extent of 6deg35'17'' only

>

> The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

>

> Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

>

> The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

> Mumbai

>

September 1, 2007

Hare rama krishna,

dear sunil,

And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try and see

how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied with

results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am doing it

for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least marriage time

and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i am sure

with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it and try

it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change my

mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more or

less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time .

Any way thanks for sharing the information .

Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me with rasi

lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent on each

rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he is correct

..But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back born of

astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with cusps

,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i can giv

quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only indicaters of our

past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must enjoy or

suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on their own

--so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as long as i am

happy with results.

so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board saying delhi

is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation and

dogmatic approach .

best wishes

sunil nair

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

<http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

, " jjnet2000_in " <jjnet2000_in

wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Siddhanta Siromani Quote

>

> Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By P.S.Sastri

>

> (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this context

> which is not reproduced here)

>

> (ii) Extension of Constellations

>

> Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform rate.

> This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our

ancients.

> They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> constellation.

>

> The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga and

> ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal

extension

> and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are explained

> specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

Spashtadhikara

> (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are

relevant

> in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

>

> Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

Uttarbhadra

> have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

>

> Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each an

> extent of 6deg35'17'' only

>

> The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

>

> Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

>

> The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

> Mumbai

>

September 1, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear Sunil,

I feel sad writing this mail

> ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it and

try

> it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change my

> mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more or

> less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time .

SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn it, I

had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri then I

would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am repeating in

this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it is you

who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread thereby

i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn anything in

life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way, for me

Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor would

force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its the

Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only way which

I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God) within

Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists as i

feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days here there

was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani Ullal who

warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it is my

dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of jyotish

against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time to

respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for me & not

internet devotion

best

SJ

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna,

>

> dear sunil,

>

> And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try and

see

> how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

>

> I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied with

> results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am doing it

> for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least marriage

time

> and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i am sure

> with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

>

> ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it and

try

> it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change my

> mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more or

> less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time .

>

> Any way thanks for sharing the information .

>

> Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me with

rasi

> lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent on each

> rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he is

correct

> .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back born of

> astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with cusps

> ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i can giv

> quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

>

> As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only indicaters of

our

> past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must enjoy

or

> suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on their

own

> --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as long as i

am

> happy with results.

>

> so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board saying

delhi

> is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation and

> dogmatic approach .

>

> best wishes

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem maha laxmai namah.

>

> http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

>

> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

, " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> >

> > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By P.S.Sastri

> >

> > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this context

> > which is not reproduced here)

> >

> > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> >

> > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform rate.

> > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our

> ancients.

> > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> > constellation.

> >

> > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga and

> > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal

> extension

> > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are explained

> > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> Spashtadhikara

> > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are

> relevant

> > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

> >

> > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> Uttarbhadra

> > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> >

> > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each an

> > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> >

> > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> >

> > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> >

> > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > Mumbai

> >

September 1, 2007

Hare rama krishna.

dear sunil .

Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are discussing in a

healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only limitation

is my command over the laungage -english

U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future also in

discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also unless some

one is convinced .

I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i want every

one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know this

discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence in

degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated jyothish

students doesnot know .

Thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

<http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

, " jjnet2000_in " <jjnet2000_in

wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I feel sad writing this mail

>

> > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it and

> try

> > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

my

> > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more or

> > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time .

>

> SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn it, I

> had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri then I

> would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am repeating

in

> this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it is

you

> who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread

thereby

> i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn anything in

> life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way, for

me

> Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

>

> But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor would

> force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its the

> Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only way

which

> I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God) within

> Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists as i

> feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days here

there

> was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani Ullal

who

> warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it is my

> dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of jyotish

> against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

>

> I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time to

> respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for me &

not

> internet devotion

>

> best

> SJ

>

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear sunil,

> >

> > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try and

> see

> > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> >

> > I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied with

> > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am doing

it

> > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least marriage

> time

> > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i am sure

> > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> >

> > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it and

> try

> > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

my

> > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more or

> > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time .

> >

> > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> >

> > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me with

> rasi

> > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent on

each

> > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he is

> correct

> > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back born of

> > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with cusps

> > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i can

giv

> > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> >

> > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only indicaters of

> our

> > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must enjoy

> or

> > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on their

> own

> > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as long as i

> am

> > happy with results.

> >

> > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board saying

> delhi

> > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation and

> > dogmatic approach .

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> >

> > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> >

> > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> >

> > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > >

> > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By P.S.Sastri

> > >

> > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this

context

> > > which is not reproduced here)

> > >

> > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > >

> > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform

rate.

> > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our

> > ancients.

> > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> > > constellation.

> > >

> > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga and

> > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal

> > extension

> > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are

explained

> > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> > Spashtadhikara

> > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are

> > relevant

> > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

> > >

> > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> > Uttarbhadra

> > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> > >

> > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each

an

> > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > >

> > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > >

> > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > >

> > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > >

September 3, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear Sunil

Thanks for ur kind mail. My reply below as SJ

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna.

>

> dear sunil .

>

> Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are discussing

in a

> healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only limitation

> is my command over the laungage -english

SJ: dont worry sunil even my english is no great.

>

> U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future also in

> discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also unless

some

> one is convinced .

> SJ: thats true both of us or any two people do not have same brains,

so we need not agree on things. Forums i feel are not for making others

agree to ones views rather to share methods & bring new light on topics

which would enable all. Most unfortunately take forums as kurukshetras

for one man upship.

> I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i want

every

> one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know this

> discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence in

> degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated jyothish

> students doesnot know .

> SJ: yes atleast this discussion brought out that lengths of naks are

different, something 2 -3 yrs back also i had approached here and even

then i found out that nobody had explored this further so even then my

attempt at understanding it further was not achieved. Now i find all old

members are gone and only new members write here. As for the entry into

any thread, yes its an open forum but i try to follow one principle

(though not to the best of ability) which is i do not enter a thread

where I do not have sufficient knowledge or have gone into all aspects

of it otherwise i could commit the sin of misleading someone.

Let me give an example of why i keep my trap shut in most of the topics.

Last year i started talking to my mentor on Kalachakra Dasa, in 2 secs

he retorted that he would discuss it only if i have enough knowledge on

it otherwise he would not discuss it at all. He was most rude in his

saying, i realise it now why, since for 10 yrs of his life he had

studied only kalachakra dasa from every possible books plus traveling

all over india meeting the unknown experts on it. So one lesson i am

trying to learn from my mentor even now is never talk in any jyotish

discussion unless one knows things indepth but unfortunately Jyotish is

so so huge & so hidden that after decades a person one day realises that

he knows nothing in any topic of jyotish

Must go

Kind regards

Sunil

> Thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

>

> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

>

, " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I feel sad writing this mail

> >

> > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it

and

> > try

> > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

> my

> > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more

or

> > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time

..

> >

> > SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn it,

I

> > had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri then I

> > would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am repeating

> in

> > this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it is

> you

> > who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread

> thereby

> > i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn anything in

> > life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way, for

> me

> > Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

> >

> > But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor

would

> > force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its the

> > Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only way

> which

> > I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God)

within

> > Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists as i

> > feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days here

> there

> > was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani Ullal

> who

> > warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it is my

> > dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of jyotish

> > against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

> >

> > I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time to

> > respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for me &

> not

> > internet devotion

> >

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna,

> > >

> > > dear sunil,

> > >

> > > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try and

> > see

> > > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> > >

> > > I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied with

> > > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am doing

> it

> > > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least

marriage

> > time

> > > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i am

sure

> > > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> > >

> > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it

and

> > try

> > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

> my

> > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more

or

> > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time

..

> > >

> > > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> > >

> > > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me with

> > rasi

> > > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent on

> each

> > > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he is

> > correct

> > > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back born of

> > > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with

cusps

> > > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i can

> giv

> > > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> > >

> > > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only indicaters

of

> > our

> > > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must

enjoy

> > or

> > > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on

their

> > own

> > > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as long as

i

> > am

> > > happy with results.

> > >

> > > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board saying

> > delhi

> > > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation and

> > > dogmatic approach .

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > >

> > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > >

> > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > >

> > > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > > >

> > > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By

P.S.Sastri

> > > >

> > > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this

> context

> > > > which is not reproduced here)

> > > >

> > > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > > >

> > > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform

> rate.

> > > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our

> > > ancients.

> > > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> > > > constellation.

> > > >

> > > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga

and

> > > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal

> > > extension

> > > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are

> explained

> > > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> > > Spashtadhikara

> > > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> > > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are

> > > relevant

> > > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

> > > >

> > > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> > > Uttarbhadra

> > > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> > > >

> > > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each

> an

> > > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > > >

> > > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> > > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > > >

> > > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > > >

> > > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > >

September 3, 2007

Dear Sunil John ji,

That was a beautiful and kind reply from you.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Sunil

> Thanks for ur kind mail. My reply below as SJ

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna.

> >

> > dear sunil .

> >

> > Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are discussing

> in a

> > healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only limitation

> > is my command over the laungage -english

> SJ: dont worry sunil even my english is no great.

> >

> > U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future also in

> > discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also unless

> some

> > one is convinced .

> > SJ: thats true both of us or any two people do not have same brains,

> so we need not agree on things. Forums i feel are not for making others

> agree to ones views rather to share methods & bring new light on topics

> which would enable all. Most unfortunately take forums as kurukshetras

> for one man upship.

>

> > I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i want

> every

> > one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know this

> > discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence in

> > degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated jyothish

> > students doesnot know .

> > SJ: yes atleast this discussion brought out that lengths of naks are

> different, something 2 -3 yrs back also i had approached here and even

> then i found out that nobody had explored this further so even then my

> attempt at understanding it further was not achieved. Now i find all old

> members are gone and only new members write here. As for the entry into

> any thread, yes its an open forum but i try to follow one principle

> (though not to the best of ability) which is i do not enter a thread

> where I do not have sufficient knowledge or have gone into all aspects

> of it otherwise i could commit the sin of misleading someone.

>

> Let me give an example of why i keep my trap shut in most of the topics.

> Last year i started talking to my mentor on Kalachakra Dasa, in 2 secs

> he retorted that he would discuss it only if i have enough knowledge on

> it otherwise he would not discuss it at all. He was most rude in his

> saying, i realise it now why, since for 10 yrs of his life he had

> studied only kalachakra dasa from every possible books plus traveling

> all over india meeting the unknown experts on it. So one lesson i am

> trying to learn from my mentor even now is never talk in any jyotish

> discussion unless one knows things indepth but unfortunately Jyotish is

> so so huge & so hidden that after decades a person one day realises that

> he knows nothing in any topic of jyotish

>

> Must go

>

> Kind regards

> Sunil

> > Thanks and regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> >

> > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> >

> > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I feel sad writing this mail

> > >

> > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it

> and

> > > try

> > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

> > my

> > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more

> or

> > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time

> .

> > >

> > > SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn it,

> I

> > > had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri then I

> > > would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am repeating

> > in

> > > this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it is

> > you

> > > who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread

> > thereby

> > > i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn anything in

> > > life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way, for

> > me

> > > Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

> > >

> > > But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor

> would

> > > force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its the

> > > Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only way

> > which

> > > I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God)

> within

> > > Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists as i

> > > feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days here

> > there

> > > was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani Ullal

> > who

> > > warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it is my

> > > dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of jyotish

> > > against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time to

> > > respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for me &

> > not

> > > internet devotion

> > >

> > > best

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear sunil,

> > > >

> > > > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try and

> > > see

> > > > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> > > >

> > > > I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied with

> > > > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am doing

> > it

> > > > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least

> marriage

> > > time

> > > > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i am

> sure

> > > > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> > > >

> > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn it

> and

> > > try

> > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may change

> > my

> > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or more

> or

> > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life time

> .

> > > >

> > > > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> > > >

> > > > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me with

> > > rasi

> > > > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent on

> > each

> > > > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he is

> > > correct

> > > > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back born of

> > > > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with

> cusps

> > > > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i can

> > giv

> > > > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> > > >

> > > > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only indicaters

> of

> > > our

> > > > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must

> enjoy

> > > or

> > > > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on

> their

> > > own

> > > > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as long as

> i

> > > am

> > > > happy with results.

> > > >

> > > > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board saying

> > > delhi

> > > > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation and

> > > > dogmatic approach .

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > >

> > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > >

> > > > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > > > >

> > > > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By

> P.S.Sastri

> > > > >

> > > > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this

> > context

> > > > > which is not reproduced here)

> > > > >

> > > > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > > > >

> > > > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a uniform

> > rate.

> > > > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by our

> > > > ancients.

> > > > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for each

> > > > > constellation.

> > > > >

> > > > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga, arthabhoga

> and

> > > > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have equal

> > > > extension

> > > > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are

> > explained

> > > > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> > > > Spashtadhikara

> > > > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats that

> > > > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions are

> > > > relevant

> > > > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the like

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> > > > Uttarbhadra

> > > > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> > > > >

> > > > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have each

> > an

> > > > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > > > >

> > > > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg 10'35''

> > > > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > > > >

> > > > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > > > >

> > > > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

September 3, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

Very kind of u.

Though i was thinking today to leave this group as its the last group i

write in and feel computers are effecting me badly i thought i would ask

you and the list one last question as i have not been able to grasp it

Sukar Nadi says

" Mer in 10H makes one have eye problems''

Query: I am unable to find the exact reason I tried various options but

just not able to find anything convincing enough

If you can help me out i would be obliged

best wishes

Sunil John

Mumbai

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John ji,

>

> That was a beautiful and kind reply from you.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Sunil

> > Thanks for ur kind mail. My reply below as SJ

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna.

> > >

> > > dear sunil .

> > >

> > > Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are

discussing

> > in a

> > > healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only

limitation

> > > is my command over the laungage -english

> > SJ: dont worry sunil even my english is no great.

> > >

> > > U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future also

in

> > > discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also

unless

> > some

> > > one is convinced .

> > > SJ: thats true both of us or any two people do not have same

brains,

> > so we need not agree on things. Forums i feel are not for making

others

> > agree to ones views rather to share methods & bring new light on

topics

> > which would enable all. Most unfortunately take forums as

kurukshetras

> > for one man upship.

> >

> > > I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i

want

> > every

> > > one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know this

> > > discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence in

> > > degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated

jyothish

> > > students doesnot know .

> > > SJ: yes atleast this discussion brought out that lengths of naks

are

> > different, something 2 -3 yrs back also i had approached here and

even

> > then i found out that nobody had explored this further so even then

my

> > attempt at understanding it further was not achieved. Now i find all

old

> > members are gone and only new members write here. As for the entry

into

> > any thread, yes its an open forum but i try to follow one principle

> > (though not to the best of ability) which is i do not enter a thread

> > where I do not have sufficient knowledge or have gone into all

aspects

> > of it otherwise i could commit the sin of misleading someone.

> >

> > Let me give an example of why i keep my trap shut in most of the

topics.

> > Last year i started talking to my mentor on Kalachakra Dasa, in 2

secs

> > he retorted that he would discuss it only if i have enough knowledge

on

> > it otherwise he would not discuss it at all. He was most rude in his

> > saying, i realise it now why, since for 10 yrs of his life he had

> > studied only kalachakra dasa from every possible books plus

traveling

> > all over india meeting the unknown experts on it. So one lesson i am

> > trying to learn from my mentor even now is never talk in any jyotish

> > discussion unless one knows things indepth but unfortunately Jyotish

is

> > so so huge & so hidden that after decades a person one day realises

that

> > he knows nothing in any topic of jyotish

> >

> > Must go

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Sunil

> > > Thanks and regrds

> > >

> > > sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > >

> > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > >

> > > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I feel sad writing this mail

> > > >

> > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn

it

> > and

> > > > try

> > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may

change

> > > my

> > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or

more

> > or

> > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life

time

> > .

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn

it,

> > I

> > > > had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri

then I

> > > > would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am

repeating

> > > in

> > > > this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it

is

> > > you

> > > > who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread

> > > thereby

> > > > i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn

anything in

> > > > life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way,

for

> > > me

> > > > Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

> > > >

> > > > But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor

> > would

> > > > force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its

the

> > > > Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only

way

> > > which

> > > > I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God)

> > within

> > > > Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists

as i

> > > > feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days

here

> > > there

> > > > was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani

Ullal

> > > who

> > > > warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it

is my

> > > > dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of

jyotish

> > > > against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time

to

> > > > respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for

me &

> > > not

> > > > internet devotion

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try

and

> > > > see

> > > > > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> > > > >

> > > > > I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied

with

> > > > > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am

doing

> > > it

> > > > > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least

> > marriage

> > > > time

> > > > > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i

am

> > sure

> > > > > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> > > > >

> > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn

it

> > and

> > > > try

> > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may

change

> > > my

> > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or

more

> > or

> > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life

time

> > .

> > > > >

> > > > > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> > > > >

> > > > > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me

with

> > > > rasi

> > > > > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent

on

> > > each

> > > > > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he

is

> > > > correct

> > > > > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back

born of

> > > > > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with

> > cusps

> > > > > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i

can

> > > giv

> > > > > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only

indicaters

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must

> > enjoy

> > > > or

> > > > > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on

> > their

> > > > own

> > > > > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as

long as

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > happy with results.

> > > > >

> > > > > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board

saying

> > > > delhi

> > > > > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation

and

> > > > > dogmatic approach .

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > >

> > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jjnet2000_in "

jjnet2000_in@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By

> > P.S.Sastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this

> > > context

> > > > > > which is not reproduced here)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a

uniform

> > > rate.

> > > > > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by

our

> > > > > ancients.

> > > > > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for

each

> > > > > > constellation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga,

arthabhoga

> > and

> > > > > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have

equal

> > > > > extension

> > > > > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are

> > > explained

> > > > > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> > > > > Spashtadhikara

> > > > > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats

that

> > > > > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions

are

> > > > > relevant

> > > > > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the

like

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> > > > > Uttarbhadra

> > > > > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have

each

> > > an

> > > > > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg

10'35''

> > > > > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

September 3, 2007

Om Datta Guru,

Dear Sunilji,

Bhrigu sutram shloka 68 says-

ashtavishatirvarshe netrarogvaan

Means native would suffer from Eye-troubles

in 28th year of his Life.

This requires deep study Sunilji,to find out

why. Probably they would have meant if the

Lagna is Leo and the 10th house is Gemini,

then this is possible. Because Mercury

is normally close to the Sun. If afflicted,

then it would also cause harm to the 2nd house

significations, which concerns eyes. But

this is too far fetched assumption to talk thus.

So let me know when you find the reason.

because at certain times, certain statement

defies Logic., and we are not complete, to

understand the hidden logic.

I have wasted my whole day today in Computers,

from the wordly point of view, but from Jyotish

point,I have been satisfied in discussions with most

of You associates.Do not think of leaving the Group,

instead try to control opening the Group page,

whenever you think its going over the top and

time managment is not adhered to..

This is a good platform for Comradeship and astro

discussion, and we all should remain here.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " jjnet2000_in " <jjnet2000_in

wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Very kind of u.

>

> Though i was thinking today to leave this group as its the last group i

> write in and feel computers are effecting me badly i thought i would ask

> you and the list one last question as i have not been able to grasp it

>

> Sukar Nadi says

> " Mer in 10H makes one have eye problems''

>

> Query: I am unable to find the exact reason I tried various options but

> just not able to find anything convincing enough

>

> If you can help me out i would be obliged

>

> best wishes

>

> Sunil John

> Mumbai

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil John ji,

> >

> > That was a beautiful and kind reply from you.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > > Dear Sunil

> > > Thanks for ur kind mail. My reply below as SJ

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna.

> > > >

> > > > dear sunil .

> > > >

> > > > Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are

> discussing

> > > in a

> > > > healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only

> limitation

> > > > is my command over the laungage -english

> > > SJ: dont worry sunil even my english is no great.

> > > >

> > > > U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future also

> in

> > > > discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also

> unless

> > > some

> > > > one is convinced .

> > > > SJ: thats true both of us or any two people do not have same

> brains,

> > > so we need not agree on things. Forums i feel are not for making

> others

> > > agree to ones views rather to share methods & bring new light on

> topics

> > > which would enable all. Most unfortunately take forums as

> kurukshetras

> > > for one man upship.

> > >

> > > > I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i

> want

> > > every

> > > > one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know this

> > > > discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence in

> > > > degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated

> jyothish

> > > > students doesnot know .

> > > > SJ: yes atleast this discussion brought out that lengths of naks

> are

> > > different, something 2 -3 yrs back also i had approached here and

> even

> > > then i found out that nobody had explored this further so even then

> my

> > > attempt at understanding it further was not achieved. Now i find all

> old

> > > members are gone and only new members write here. As for the entry

> into

> > > any thread, yes its an open forum but i try to follow one principle

> > > (though not to the best of ability) which is i do not enter a thread

> > > where I do not have sufficient knowledge or have gone into all

> aspects

> > > of it otherwise i could commit the sin of misleading someone.

> > >

> > > Let me give an example of why i keep my trap shut in most of the

> topics.

> > > Last year i started talking to my mentor on Kalachakra Dasa, in 2

> secs

> > > he retorted that he would discuss it only if i have enough knowledge

> on

> > > it otherwise he would not discuss it at all. He was most rude in his

> > > saying, i realise it now why, since for 10 yrs of his life he had

> > > studied only kalachakra dasa from every possible books plus

> traveling

> > > all over india meeting the unknown experts on it. So one lesson i am

> > > trying to learn from my mentor even now is never talk in any jyotish

> > > discussion unless one knows things indepth but unfortunately Jyotish

> is

> > > so so huge & so hidden that after decades a person one day realises

> that

> > > he knows nothing in any topic of jyotish

> > >

> > > Must go

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > > Sunil

> > > > Thanks and regrds

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > >

> > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > >

> > > > , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel sad writing this mail

> > > > >

> > > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn

> it

> > > and

> > > > > try

> > > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may

> change

> > > > my

> > > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or

> more

> > > or

> > > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life

> time

> > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to learn

> it,

> > > I

> > > > > had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S Sastri

> then I

> > > > > would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am

> repeating

> > > > in

> > > > > this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn it, it

> is

> > > > you

> > > > > who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the thread

> > > > thereby

> > > > > i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn

> anything in

> > > > > life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration way,

> for

> > > > me

> > > > > Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions Only.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept nor

> > > would

> > > > > force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated its

> the

> > > > > Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the only

> way

> > > > which

> > > > > I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity (God)

> > > within

> > > > > Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on lists

> as i

> > > > > feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger days

> here

> > > > there

> > > > > was only one woman from this very list a student of Chakrapani

> Ullal

> > > > who

> > > > > warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel it

> is my

> > > > > dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of

> jyotish

> > > > > against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have time

> to

> > > > > respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies for

> me &

> > > > not

> > > > > internet devotion

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u try

> and

> > > > > see

> > > > > > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am following the major school of astro and i am satisfied

> with

> > > > > > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i am

> doing

> > > > it

> > > > > > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least

> > > marriage

> > > > > time

> > > > > > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and i

> am

> > > sure

> > > > > > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to learn

> it

> > > and

> > > > > try

> > > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i may

> change

> > > > my

> > > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70 or

> more

> > > or

> > > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this life

> time

> > > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after me

> with

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying diffeerent

> on

> > > > each

> > > > > > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes he

> is

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back

> born of

> > > > > > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi with

> > > cusps

> > > > > > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv if i

> can

> > > > giv

> > > > > > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only

> indicaters

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we must

> > > enjoy

> > > > > or

> > > > > > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers on

> > > their

> > > > > own

> > > > > > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as

> long as

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > happy with results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign board

> saying

> > > > > delhi

> > > > > > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my talibanisation

> and

> > > > > > dogmatic approach .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jjnet2000_in "

> jjnet2000_in@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By

> > > P.S.Sastri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in this

> > > > context

> > > > > > > which is not reproduced here)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a

> uniform

> > > > rate.

> > > > > > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated by

> our

> > > > > > ancients.

> > > > > > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension for

> each

> > > > > > > constellation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga,

> arthabhoga

> > > and

> > > > > > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have

> equal

> > > > > > extension

> > > > > > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these are

> > > > explained

> > > > > > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In the

> > > > > > Spashtadhikara

> > > > > > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara stats

> that

> > > > > > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle extensions

> are

> > > > > > relevant

> > > > > > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and the

> like

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni and

> > > > > > Uttarbhadra

> > > > > > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not 13.20')

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha have

> each

> > > > an

> > > > > > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg

> 10'35''

> > > > > > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

September 4, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

Thanks for ur kind post. Yes I just checked that verse that u post is

there in Bhrigu Sutram also but in that too the explanation is not given

Good point of Leo lagna, to be honest I always felt as to why the sages

seperated the bhava phala from lagna phala, why did they not combine it

and give specific conditions also in a seperate chapter.

I am not trying to put in the lagna or other factors since then i feel i

might not be able to understand the basic moola siddhanta of it, my

approach can be wrong also

Re list and comradeship, its a nice thing no doubt and over the years i

have developed very deep friendship with some members from this and

other lists.

Thanks for ur kind mail

best wishes

Sunil

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru,

>

> Dear Sunilji,

>

> Bhrigu sutram shloka 68 says-

> ashtavishatirvarshe netrarogvaan

>

> Means native would suffer from Eye-troubles

> in 28th year of his Life.

>

> This requires deep study Sunilji,to find out

> why. Probably they would have meant if the

> Lagna is Leo and the 10th house is Gemini,

> then this is possible. Because Mercury

> is normally close to the Sun. If afflicted,

> then it would also cause harm to the 2nd house

> significations, which concerns eyes. But

> this is too far fetched assumption to talk thus.

>

> So let me know when you find the reason.

> because at certain times, certain statement

> defies Logic., and we are not complete, to

> understand the hidden logic.

>

> I have wasted my whole day today in Computers,

> from the wordly point of view, but from Jyotish

> point,I have been satisfied in discussions with most

> of You associates.Do not think of leaving the Group,

> instead try to control opening the Group page,

> whenever you think its going over the top and

> time managment is not adhered to..

>

> This is a good platform for Comradeship and astro

> discussion, and we all should remain here.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " jjnet2000_in " jjnet2000_in@

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > Very kind of u.

> >

> > Though i was thinking today to leave this group as its the last

group i

> > write in and feel computers are effecting me badly i thought i would

ask

> > you and the list one last question as i have not been able to grasp

it

> >

> > Sukar Nadi says

> > " Mer in 10H makes one have eye problems''

> >

> > Query: I am unable to find the exact reason I tried various options

but

> > just not able to find anything convincing enough

> >

> > If you can help me out i would be obliged

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > Sunil John

> > Mumbai

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil John ji,

> > >

> > > That was a beautiful and kind reply from you.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > Thanks for ur kind mail. My reply below as SJ

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna.

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sunil .

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing to worry abt ,as a discussion two parties are

> > discussing

> > > > in a

> > > > > healthy laungage and i always respect the other party ,only

> > limitation

> > > > > is my command over the laungage -english

> > > > SJ: dont worry sunil even my english is no great.

> > > > >

> > > > > U know other wise how we r committed each other ,in future

also

> > in

> > > > > discussions no body can maitain same views and shud not also

> > unless

> > > > some

> > > > > one is convinced .

> > > > > SJ: thats true both of us or any two people do not have same

> > brains,

> > > > so we need not agree on things. Forums i feel are not for making

> > others

> > > > agree to ones views rather to share methods & bring new light on

> > topics

> > > > which would enable all. Most unfortunately take forums as

> > kurukshetras

> > > > for one man upship.

> > > >

> > > > > I take up the tread beacuse this is a discussion group and i

> > want

> > > > every

> > > > > one to particiapte .And may expand the knowledge base .U know

this

> > > > > discussion atleast brought out in reality there is differrence

in

> > > > > degrees of nakshatras and rasis which many highly educated

> > jyothish

> > > > > students doesnot know .

> > > > > SJ: yes atleast this discussion brought out that lengths of

naks

> > are

> > > > different, something 2 -3 yrs back also i had approached here

and

> > even

> > > > then i found out that nobody had explored this further so even

then

> > my

> > > > attempt at understanding it further was not achieved. Now i find

all

> > old

> > > > members are gone and only new members write here. As for the

entry

> > into

> > > > any thread, yes its an open forum but i try to follow one

principle

> > > > (though not to the best of ability) which is i do not enter a

thread

> > > > where I do not have sufficient knowledge or have gone into all

> > aspects

> > > > of it otherwise i could commit the sin of misleading someone.

> > > >

> > > > Let me give an example of why i keep my trap shut in most of the

> > topics.

> > > > Last year i started talking to my mentor on Kalachakra Dasa, in

2

> > secs

> > > > he retorted that he would discuss it only if i have enough

knowledge

> > on

> > > > it otherwise he would not discuss it at all. He was most rude in

his

> > > > saying, i realise it now why, since for 10 yrs of his life he

had

> > > > studied only kalachakra dasa from every possible books plus

> > traveling

> > > > all over india meeting the unknown experts on it. So one lesson

i am

> > > > trying to learn from my mentor even now is never talk in any

jyotish

> > > > discussion unless one knows things indepth but unfortunately

Jyotish

> > is

> > > > so so huge & so hidden that after decades a person one day

realises

> > that

> > > > he knows nothing in any topic of jyotish

> > > >

> > > > Must go

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > Thanks and regrds

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > >

> > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jjnet2000_in "

jjnet2000_in@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel sad writing this mail

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to

learn

> > it

> > > > and

> > > > > > try

> > > > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i

may

> > change

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70

or

> > more

> > > > or

> > > > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this

life

> > time

> > > > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ: I am not asking u to learn it nor did i ask anyone to

learn

> > it,

> > > > I

> > > > > > had posed a query if Ashwini had read this work by P S

Sastri

> > then I

> > > > > > would like to learn it, NOT YOU. Pls understand this, i am

> > repeating

> > > > > in

> > > > > > this mail also that i did not want you or anyone to learn

it, it

> > is

> > > > > you

> > > > > > who jumped in this thread I did not ask u to come in the

thread

> > > > > thereby

> > > > > > i did not ask u to learn it nor do i ask anyone to learn

> > anything in

> > > > > > life since I like to do Jyotish my way which is exploration

way,

> > for

> > > > > me

> > > > > > Jyotish is a Journey and for me Jyotish is Not Predictions

Only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I do not want anyone to believe in this Journey concept

nor

> > > > would

> > > > > > force it down their throat, if Jyotish makes me frustrated

its

> > the

> > > > > > Talibanists of Jyotish who believe that their way is the

only

> > way

> > > > > which

> > > > > > I believe has spoilt Jyotish from the Infinite Creativity

(God)

> > > > within

> > > > > > Jyotish. This aspect I keep on voicing once in a while on

lists

> > as i

> > > > > > feel dutibound to spread this cause as during my younger

days

> > here

> > > > > there

> > > > > > was only one woman from this very list a student of

Chakrapani

> > Ullal

> > > > > who

> > > > > > warned me but i did not take heed to her advice , so i feel

it

> > is my

> > > > > > dutibound karma that i should warn the younger students of

> > jyotish

> > > > > > against the Fundamentalist approach towards Jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry did not read ur full mail as I just do not have

time

> > to

> > > > > > respond to long mails, today is holiday and Jyotish studies

for

> > me &

> > > > > not

> > > > > > internet devotion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And did he show the methods to predict in book also,or u

try

> > and

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > how it is possible in phalit jyothish .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am following the major school of astro and i am

satisfied

> > with

> > > > > > > results and your question abt predicting marriage month i

am

> > doing

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > for my professional customers and satisfactorily (at least

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > and many other aspects of life are still under reserch and

i

> > am

> > > > sure

> > > > > > > with our simple methods i can get atleast 80% of results)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,but offcourse new theoreys welcome ,but dont ask me to

learn

> > it

> > > > and

> > > > > > try

> > > > > > > it ,if any body can come out with proper results then i

may

> > change

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mind as i am ordinary human who may hav a life span of 70

or

> > more

> > > > or

> > > > > > > less, and i dont hav time to finish all theoreys in this

life

> > time

> > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any way thanks for sharing the information .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Befor also one year back ,one western astrologer was after

me

> > with

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > lenght ,instead of our 30 degree arc he was saying

diffeerent

> > on

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > rasi and each nakshatra and i told him the same thing ,yes

he

> > is

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > .But how can we ordinary mortals fix it to phalit the back

> > born of

> > > > > > > astrology .I find K P people are using with a bigger rasi

with

> > > > cusps

> > > > > > > ,but i am not aware of kp principles thoroughly as i blv

if i

> > can

> > > > > giv

> > > > > > > quality time only then i will go to any subjuct.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for me all planets or rasis or nakshatras are only

> > indicaters

> > > > of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > past life deeds and some total of our karmas and which we

must

> > > > enjoy

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > suffer in this janma .Means only indicaters and not givers

on

> > > > their

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > --so how many degrees they physicaly need not bother me as

> > long as

> > > > i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > happy with results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so planets r like a sign board only ,actualy the sign

board

> > saying

> > > > > > delhi

> > > > > > > is not delhi itself --so it is the basis of my

talibanisation

> > and

> > > > > > > dogmatic approach .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " jjnet2000_in "

> > jjnet2000_in@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Siddhanta Siromani Quote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pg 185 Text book of Scientific Hindu Astrology – By

> > > > P.S.Sastri

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (Pls note Pg 183 he mentions about the equator & Lat in

this

> > > > > context

> > > > > > > > which is not reproduced here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (ii) Extension of Constellations

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Each constellation is said to extend upto 13.20' at a

> > uniform

> > > > > rate.

> > > > > > > > This is a Gross (sthula) or general Estimate as stated

by

> > our

> > > > > > > ancients.

> > > > > > > > They have given the subtle (sukshma) or real extension

for

> > each

> > > > > > > > constellation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The constellations are divided into adyarthabhoga,

> > arthabhoga

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > ekabhoga stars The first have longer arcs the last have

> > equal

> > > > > > > extension

> > > > > > > > and the second have smaller arcs. The effects of these

are

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > specially in the context of an enquiry into Argha. In

the

> > > > > > > Spashtadhikara

> > > > > > > > (shlokas 71 to 75) of his Siddhanta Siromani Bhaskara

stats

> > that

> > > > > > > > according to the seers like Vasishta, the subtle

extensions

> > are

> > > > > > > relevant

> > > > > > > > in connection with Marriages, pilgrimages, travels and

the

> > like

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini, Punarvasu, Vishaka, Uttarashada, Uttaraphalguni

and

> > > > > > > Uttarbhadra

> > > > > > > > have each an extension of 19 deg 45' 52'' (SJ: Not

13.20')

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharana, Arda, Ashlesha, Jyestha, swati and Satabhisha

have

> > each

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > extent of 6deg35'17'' only

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The remaining constellations have each an arc of 13 deg

> > 10'35''

> > > > > > > > (SJ: not 13deg 20 pls note)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Abhijit is spread over the remaining space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is typed from P.S.Sastri's book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >

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