Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dear Members, Interesting !! Message addressed to Dear Marg, ends up with best wishes from Marg. The game's up. with respect, RP Singh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Marg, > > Well said, > I differ on one point. > Equanimity cannot be gained by environment > which is SOUGHT FOR. > Good wife cannot be gained by re-marrying. > One has to find the goodness in the wife > which one already has. > Equanimity is to be gained in the > atmosphere where we are already present. > A good jyotish certainly needs a > equanaminous state of mind, but good > jyotishis like that are never allowed to > mantain these, because stones are thrown > at the tress which bear fruit, this is the > law of the world.And always uneasy lies > the head that wears the crown. > > For complete equanaminous state of mind, > one has to go where the jyotishis cannot > go unless they leave the jyotishi part for > good, and become Yogis. This would be a step > further and the ultimate for any good jyotishi, > and once this state is attained, then there > is no jyotish knowledge required to KNOW. > KKNOWLEDGE comes from within,then. > > To attain the above, I, You or they, he and > she all will have to leave jyotish and spend > time in meditation , or else leave the Forums, > and go to some isolated places on earth where , > we can attain such mind and remain undisturbed. > > best wishes, > Marg. > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure many > others do too. > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > involvement on this list anyway. > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar and a > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as unpleasant as > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > best wishes > > M > > > > > > > > > > - > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > free for all > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator > from this > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > fertile ground > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > persons to be > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am inviting a > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she remains > away from > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > help in its > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > moderator > > yourself. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to > first of > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > earlier in the > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > campaign to > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal > stage of > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > succeeded if > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership cannot > be screened > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for joining. > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > jyotish and > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > running the > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > the current > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of griping and > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > discuss this noble > > > science. > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with > the good' > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > margaret > > > - > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > <% 40> > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > individual, > > > it > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > this group > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the > NEW group > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co- owners of the > > > group. > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > whims and > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40><%40>, > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > wish to open > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. Nor > am I a > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > this group > > > for > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I want > to free > > > this > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash (of > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > moderator of a > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > experience > > > and > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be > able to > > > enjoy > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is > on jyotish > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named is a > good one > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual the > Jealous > > > > group > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can state > this > > > > also that > > > > > > it > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with astrology > centric > > > > motive > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i am a > member > > > > of the > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > did try to > > > > help > > > > > > when > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next yr as > I have > > > > no time > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > divisional > > > charts > > > > > > they > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit this on > and off > > > > slowly > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > more in a > > > few > > > > > > sites > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as moderation > is not > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > the matter > > > is > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " which > will be > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members of this > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > Group Email: > horashastra <horashastra%40> > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > propose the > > > > following > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under trying > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this group > > > > will be a > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become the > bane of > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take lead in > joining > > > > this > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please remember > it isn't > > > my > > > > > > group > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > dump the > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Idiots like you who have nothing astrological to talk about , make such silly observations. " Games up " What a great observation, analysis and conclusion you arrived at.Idiots like you have spoiled the atmosphere of the Forum, If I was the owner here I would have kicked you out,immediately for this stupid allegation on me. Ha ha.Games Up.......... Idiots not fit for astrology and neither for normal commonsense. They see some single word and jump to conclusions. Bhaskar. , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Interesting !! > > > Message addressed to Dear Marg, ends up with best wishes from Marg. > > The game's up. > > with respect, > > RP Singh > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > Well said, > > I differ on one point. > > Equanimity cannot be gained by environment > > which is SOUGHT FOR. > > Good wife cannot be gained by re-marrying. > > One has to find the goodness in the wife > > which one already has. > > Equanimity is to be gained in the > > atmosphere where we are already present. > > A good jyotish certainly needs a > > equanaminous state of mind, but good > > jyotishis like that are never allowed to > > mantain these, because stones are thrown > > at the tress which bear fruit, this is the > > law of the world.And always uneasy lies > > the head that wears the crown. > > > > For complete equanaminous state of mind, > > one has to go where the jyotishis cannot > > go unless they leave the jyotishi part for > > good, and become Yogis. This would be a step > > further and the ultimate for any good jyotishi, > > and once this state is attained, then there > > is no jyotish knowledge required to KNOW. > > KKNOWLEDGE comes from within,then. > > > > To attain the above, I, You or they, he and > > she all will have to leave jyotish and spend > > time in meditation , or else leave the Forums, > > and go to some isolated places on earth where , > > we can attain such mind and remain undisturbed. > > > > best wishes, > > Marg. > > > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have > to > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure > many > > others do too. > > > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > > involvement on this list anyway. > > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar > and a > > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as unpleasant > as > > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of > equanaminous > > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > > free for all > > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the > moderator > > from this > > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > > fertile ground > > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > > persons to be > > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am > inviting a > > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she > remains > > away from > > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > > help in its > > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > > moderator > > > yourself. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due > to > > first of > > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > > earlier in the > > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > > campaign to > > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a > personal > > stage of > > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > > succeeded if > > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership > cannot > > be screened > > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for > joining. > > > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > > jyotish and > > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > > running the > > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > > the current > > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of > griping and > > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > > discuss this noble > > > > science. > > > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed > with > > the good' > > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > > margaret > > > > - > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > <% > 40> > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > individual, > > > > it > > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > > this group > > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that > the > > NEW group > > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co- > owners of the > > > > group. > > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > > whims and > > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><%40>, > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > > wish to open > > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. > Nor > > am I a > > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > > this group > > > > for > > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I > want > > to free > > > > this > > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash > (of > > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > > moderator of a > > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > > experience > > > > and > > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will > be > > able to > > > > enjoy > > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed > is > > on jyotish > > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named > is a > > good one > > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual > the > > Jealous > > > > > group > > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can > state > > this > > > > > also that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with > astrology > > centric > > > > > motive > > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i > am a > > member > > > > > of the > > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > > did try to > > > > > help > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 > other > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next > yr as > > I have > > > > > no time > > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > > divisional > > > > charts > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit > this on > > and off > > > > > slowly > > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > > more in a > > > > few > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as > moderation > > is not > > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > > the matter > > > > is > > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " > which > > will be > > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose > Sri > > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members > of this > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > > Group Email: > > horashastra <horashastra%40> > > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra% > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > > propose the > > > > > following > > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity > under trying > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way > this group > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become > the > > bane of > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take > lead in > > joining > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please > remember > > it isn't > > > > my > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is > your > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > > dump the > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 IGNORED !!! , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Idiots like you who have nothing astrological > to talk about , make such silly observations. > > " Games up " > > What a great observation, analysis and conclusion > you arrived at.Idiots like you have spoiled the > atmosphere of the Forum, If I was the owner here > I would have kicked you out,immediately for this > stupid allegation on me. > > Ha ha.Games Up.......... > Idiots not fit for astrology and neither for normal > commonsense. They see some single word and jump > to conclusions. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Interesting !! > > > > > > Message addressed to Dear Marg, ends up with best wishes from Marg. > > > > The game's up. > > > > with respect, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > > > Well said, > > > I differ on one point. > > > Equanimity cannot be gained by environment > > > which is SOUGHT FOR. > > > Good wife cannot be gained by re-marrying. > > > One has to find the goodness in the wife > > > which one already has. > > > Equanimity is to be gained in the > > > atmosphere where we are already present. > > > A good jyotish certainly needs a > > > equanaminous state of mind, but good > > > jyotishis like that are never allowed to > > > mantain these, because stones are thrown > > > at the tress which bear fruit, this is the > > > law of the world.And always uneasy lies > > > the head that wears the crown. > > > > > > For complete equanaminous state of mind, > > > one has to go where the jyotishis cannot > > > go unless they leave the jyotishi part for > > > good, and become Yogis. This would be a step > > > further and the ultimate for any good jyotishi, > > > and once this state is attained, then there > > > is no jyotish knowledge required to KNOW. > > > KKNOWLEDGE comes from within,then. > > > > > > To attain the above, I, You or they, he and > > > she all will have to leave jyotish and spend > > > time in meditation , or else leave the Forums, > > > and go to some isolated places on earth where , > > > we can attain such mind and remain undisturbed. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Marg. > > > > > > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have > > to > > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure > > many > > > others do too. > > > > > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > > > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > > > involvement on this list anyway. > > > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar > > and a > > > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > > > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > > > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as unpleasant > > as > > > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > > > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > > > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of > > equanaminous > > > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > > > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > > > free for all > > > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the > > moderator > > > from this > > > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > > > fertile ground > > > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > > > persons to be > > > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am > > inviting a > > > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she > > remains > > > away from > > > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > > > help in its > > > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > > > moderator > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due > > to > > > first of > > > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > > > earlier in the > > > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > > > campaign to > > > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a > > personal > > > stage of > > > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > > > succeeded if > > > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership > > cannot > > > be screened > > > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for > > joining. > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > > > jyotish and > > > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > > > running the > > > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > > > the current > > > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of > > griping and > > > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > > > discuss this noble > > > > > science. > > > > > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed > > with > > > the good' > > > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > > > margaret > > > > > - > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > <% > > 40> > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > > individual, > > > > > it > > > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > > > this group > > > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that > > the > > > NEW group > > > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co- > > owners of the > > > > > group. > > > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > > > whims and > > > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><% 40>, > > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > > > wish to open > > > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. > > Nor > > > am I a > > > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > > > this group > > > > > for > > > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I > > want > > > to free > > > > > this > > > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash > > (of > > > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > > > moderator of a > > > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > > > experience > > > > > and > > > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will > > be > > > able to > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed > > is > > > on jyotish > > > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named > > is a > > > good one > > > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual > > the > > > Jealous > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can > > state > > > this > > > > > > also that > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with > > astrology > > > centric > > > > > > motive > > > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i > > am a > > > member > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > > > did try to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 > > other > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next > > yr as > > > I have > > > > > > no time > > > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > > > divisional > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit > > this on > > > and off > > > > > > slowly > > > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > > > more in a > > > > > few > > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as > > moderation > > > is not > > > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > > > the matter > > > > > is > > > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " > > which > > > will be > > > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose > > Sri > > > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members > > of this > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > > > Group Email: > > > horashastra <horashastra%40> > > > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > > > propose the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity > > under trying > > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way > > this group > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become > > the > > > bane of > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take > > lead in > > > joining > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please > > remember > > > it isn't > > > > > my > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is > > your > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > > > dump the > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > For Consultation charges please write to me > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street > > > > > > > > Nandanam Extn, > > > > > > > > Chennai 600035, INDIA > > > > > > > > MOBILE 9840051861 > > > > > > > > TEL 42110983/24340186 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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