Prove or dont talk - 2/Many Thanks/Spirituality

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Thanks for the kind reply.I was bit busy and hence the delay.

 

Right and Wrong is a relative phenomenon.Spirituality is about

knowing the spirit.Atmeeyatha is about knowing the atma.If we

understand that every other is the child of Lord,then there should

be an element of HIM within everyone.If it is so i can learn from

you and you can learn from me.If we do not understand this ,then we

are yet to start our spiritual jounrney.Moreover no one is

perfect.Thus if others can be wrong then me as well can be

wrong.This should also be born in mind.Lord alone can be perfect.

 

Your chart is not prefect -neither is mine.If it was so,then we

would not had taken human birth.The ability to learn as a team is

must.For this we have to see HIM in everyone - no matter what is his

colour,race or creed.Going further we have to see HIM in everyTHING.

 

It is very simple to say ,but the most difficult to practise.But as

per me there is no bigger mantra than this.

 

We may have to objectively listen and give everyother a chance.We

can respect everyone but at the same time,we have to weigh views

with an objective mind.It applies to my views as well.I do not want

anyone to blindly accept what i am talking.That brings no merit.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> Thank you for understanding me now.

> My personal view- I do not accept anything

> as right or anything wrong. because it is

> difficult to assess with my limited brains

> the great meanings hidden in the shlokas and

> encompassed within, which probably only

> the shishyas of those times could fathom, or

> spiritually very highly elevated modern men of

> today could understand. Since I do not

> fall in either category, for me I keep no

> bias for anyone and his search-research or

> conclusion.

> For me,You could be as right as the others,

> for want of Great Rishi like Personages like

> Parashar, in our presence today, to explain

> us the actual truth.

> If You notice in all my exchanges, I have

> never mentioned that I am right and

> You are wrong in our respective approach

> to the vargas and assessment thereof.

> because honestly speaking no one knows the

> real truth actually.

> There are many principles contrary to common

> knowledge of acceptance, which also work,

> but if I try to display those, I would

> become a laughing stock for want of

> authenticity. Therefore I keep those to

> myself, as long as they work for me, its fine.

> I do not doubt your researches, and also

> believe that ultimately you may prove yourself

> right in maybe few decades from now, or few years

> too,but till that time, you have to keep your

> facts known to you, behind the curtain , for

> the reasons mentioned earlier.

>

> I wish you good progress in your search for the

> truth,and believe me I harbor no ill will, have

> never harbnored so, but always wish well for all

> people like you, and hope that you meet success

> soon.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > Many thanks for your love.

> > As we have mentioned before,regarding Varga Chakras there is no

> > point in writing lengthy mails.Offer answer for the technical

points

> > which are objectively verifable,once the paper is presented.I

have

> > mentioned 100 times that you may agree or disagree.It is only

for

> > the members who are curious.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > It is only out of compassion and love ,

> > > for these good members who were participating

> > > in this thread, that I wished to close the thread.

> > > I have been requesting continously since the start ,

> > > and constantly to please close the thread, since

> > > it is getting us nowhere, it would only aim to

> > > lower the respect of Shri Pradeepji and the likes,

> > > which i did not wish, as we certainly respect him for

> > > his Sanskrit knowledge and his generous past,I did

> > > not wish him to be at the other end of the Gun, if I

> > > can say bluntly,was the reason why I wished to close

> > > this thread,so that none would loose face, but

> > > my continous requests have fallen on deaf ears.

> > > We are all good men, and do not wish other good men

> > > like Shri Pradeepji to act unreasonably and then become

> > > targetted,was the main reason of my persistent efforts

> > > and requests to close the thread.

> > > But it seems apparently, still these facts seem to be miles

> > > away from these respected members, and they would

> > > only like to live in fruitless debates and discussions.

> > > So be it.

> > >

> > > But I still feel pity and compassion, and for

> > > the final time I request that stop this thread.

> > > I would never like basically good men like Pradeepji,

> > > Chandrasekharji, and so many others like them, to

> > > ever come in an uncomfortable position.

> > > If all our family members remain happy, then so do we.

> > > If one of them is uncomfortable then we too

> > > loose our peace. Is it not ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji and cronies,

> > > >

> > > > Prove -

> > > >

> > > > 1) There is nothing like Divisional Charts.

> > > > 2) Only Rashi Chart exists.

> > > > 3) there is no Navamsha Chart.

> > > > 4) There is thus no aspects in Navamsha Chart.

> > > > 5) Readings can only be given through Rashi

> > > > and its amsas but not Navamsha Chart.

> > > > 6) Varga charts are not to be made

> > > > 7) Vargas are to be seen from Rashi only.

> > > > 8) Shri BV Raman in all his books he has

> > > > given Navamsha Chart- He is wrong

> > > > 9) Shri KN Rao has given in all his books

> > > > Navamsha Chart - He is wrong.

> > > > 10)Late Santhanam did not know Sanskrit.

> > > > 11)Santhanamji has given in all his books

> > > > Navamsha Chart. He is wrong.

> > > > 12)All softwares making Navamsha Charts are wrong.

> > > > 13)LR Chawdhari showing use of Navamsha Charts is wrong.

> > > > 14)All South Indians predicting through Navamsha charts

> > > > are wrong.

> > > > 15)Chandulal Patel has written wrong books on use of

> > > > Navamsha Charts.

> > > > 16) All diagrammatical representations in these books are

> > > > wrong.

> > > > 17) Only you know Sanskrit is right.

> > > > 18) One cannot predict from Divisional Charts.

> > > > 19) All aspects being used by BV Raman,KN Rao,Santhanam,

> > > > LR Chawdhari etc. and susbtabtiating their explanations

> > > > of natives readings are wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Prove above or dont talk.

> > > > We are not eager to close the Thread.

> > > > I only wish to avoid Jyotish Bloodbath,that

> > > > is why I was requesting you to

> > > > close the thread, and not because of any other reason,

> > > > but you dont seem to understand. You always

> > > > misunderstand.

> > > > So continue the thread. I am ready to argue,

> > > > debate and discuss.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeepji,

 

//The ability to learn as a team is

> must.For this we have to see HIM in everyone -

no matter what is his colour,race or creed.Going

further we have to see HIM in everyTHING.//

 

I am a normal man, so do not know much

about talks on spirituality and satsanga.

But I have contemplated, alone, much on

these subjects.And My take on spirituality

present in fellow human beings,is thus-

 

God is there in everyone, BUT

Not everyone, is in God.

 

A Earthern Pot.

Atmosphere outside.

Atmosphere inside.

Atmosphere is there in the Pot.

But the Pot is not in the atmosphere.

It cannot contain the atmosphere,

but the Atmosphere can contain the Pot.

 

The Pot breaks and the atmosphere within

and without becomes one.

 

Please replace the pot with the Saptakosha

(Which includes man with his physical kosha),

and replace the atmosphere with the Parmatma.

 

Thus in a rapist, in a idiot,in a abuser who

abuses others for no cause,in a murderer, I

will see no God, but only Evil, which needs

to be punished. If I, or the police or the

Courts, or the Justices,Judges start seeing God

in such people, then justice would never be able

to be dispensed with.

 

But taking your words of wisdom in a higher vein

and broader outlook, yes collective voice of

consensus from good men, is the Voice of God.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Thanks for the kind reply.I was bit busy and hence the delay.

>

> Right and Wrong is a relative phenomenon.Spirituality is about

> knowing the spirit.Atmeeyatha is about knowing the atma.If we

> understand that every other is the child of Lord,then there should

> be an element of HIM within everyone.If it is so i can learn from

> you and you can learn from me.If we do not understand this ,then we

> are yet to start our spiritual jounrney.Moreover no one is

> perfect.Thus if others can be wrong then me as well can be

> wrong.This should also be born in mind.Lord alone can be perfect.

>

> Your chart is not prefect -neither is mine.If it was so,then we

> would not had taken human birth.The ability to learn as a team is

> must.For this we have to see HIM in everyone - no matter what is his

> colour,race or creed.Going further we have to see HIM in everyTHING.

>

> It is very simple to say ,but the most difficult to practise.But as

> per me there is no bigger mantra than this.

>

> We may have to objectively listen and give everyother a chance.We

> can respect everyone but at the same time,we have to weigh views

> with an objective mind.It applies to my views as well.I do not want

> anyone to blindly accept what i am talking.That brings no merit.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeepji,

> >

> > Thank you for understanding me now.

> > My personal view- I do not accept anything

> > as right or anything wrong. because it is

> > difficult to assess with my limited brains

> > the great meanings hidden in the shlokas and

> > encompassed within, which probably only

> > the shishyas of those times could fathom, or

> > spiritually very highly elevated modern men of

> > today could understand. Since I do not

> > fall in either category, for me I keep no

> > bias for anyone and his search-research or

> > conclusion.

> > For me,You could be as right as the others,

> > for want of Great Rishi like Personages like

> > Parashar, in our presence today, to explain

> > us the actual truth.

> > If You notice in all my exchanges, I have

> > never mentioned that I am right and

> > You are wrong in our respective approach

> > to the vargas and assessment thereof.

> > because honestly speaking no one knows the

> > real truth actually.

> > There are many principles contrary to common

> > knowledge of acceptance, which also work,

> > but if I try to display those, I would

> > become a laughing stock for want of

> > authenticity. Therefore I keep those to

> > myself, as long as they work for me, its fine.

> > I do not doubt your researches, and also

> > believe that ultimately you may prove yourself

> > right in maybe few decades from now, or few years

> > too,but till that time, you have to keep your

> > facts known to you, behind the curtain , for

> > the reasons mentioned earlier.

> >

> > I wish you good progress in your search for the

> > truth,and believe me I harbor no ill will, have

> > never harbnored so, but always wish well for all

> > people like you, and hope that you meet success

> > soon.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > Many thanks for your love.

> > > As we have mentioned before,regarding Varga Chakras there is no

> > > point in writing lengthy mails.Offer answer for the technical

> points

> > > which are objectively verifable,once the paper is presented.I

> have

> > > mentioned 100 times that you may agree or disagree.It is only

> for

> > > the members who are curious.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > It is only out of compassion and love ,

> > > > for these good members who were participating

> > > > in this thread, that I wished to close the thread.

> > > > I have been requesting continously since the start ,

> > > > and constantly to please close the thread, since

> > > > it is getting us nowhere, it would only aim to

> > > > lower the respect of Shri Pradeepji and the likes,

> > > > which i did not wish, as we certainly respect him for

> > > > his Sanskrit knowledge and his generous past,I did

> > > > not wish him to be at the other end of the Gun, if I

> > > > can say bluntly,was the reason why I wished to close

> > > > this thread,so that none would loose face, but

> > > > my continous requests have fallen on deaf ears.

> > > > We are all good men, and do not wish other good men

> > > > like Shri Pradeepji to act unreasonably and then become

> > > > targetted,was the main reason of my persistent efforts

> > > > and requests to close the thread.

> > > > But it seems apparently, still these facts seem to be miles

> > > > away from these respected members, and they would

> > > > only like to live in fruitless debates and discussions.

> > > > So be it.

> > > >

> > > > But I still feel pity and compassion, and for

> > > > the final time I request that stop this thread.

> > > > I would never like basically good men like Pradeepji,

> > > > Chandrasekharji, and so many others like them, to

> > > > ever come in an uncomfortable position.

> > > > If all our family members remain happy, then so do we.

> > > > If one of them is uncomfortable then we too

> > > > loose our peace. Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji and cronies,

> > > > >

> > > > > Prove -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) There is nothing like Divisional Charts.

> > > > > 2) Only Rashi Chart exists.

> > > > > 3) there is no Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > 4) There is thus no aspects in Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > 5) Readings can only be given through Rashi

> > > > > and its amsas but not Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > 6) Varga charts are not to be made

> > > > > 7) Vargas are to be seen from Rashi only.

> > > > > 8) Shri BV Raman in all his books he has

> > > > > given Navamsha Chart- He is wrong

> > > > > 9) Shri KN Rao has given in all his books

> > > > > Navamsha Chart - He is wrong.

> > > > > 10)Late Santhanam did not know Sanskrit.

> > > > > 11)Santhanamji has given in all his books

> > > > > Navamsha Chart. He is wrong.

> > > > > 12)All softwares making Navamsha Charts are wrong.

> > > > > 13)LR Chawdhari showing use of Navamsha Charts is wrong.

> > > > > 14)All South Indians predicting through Navamsha charts

> > > > > are wrong.

> > > > > 15)Chandulal Patel has written wrong books on use of

> > > > > Navamsha Charts.

> > > > > 16) All diagrammatical representations in these books are

> > > > > wrong.

> > > > > 17) Only you know Sanskrit is right.

> > > > > 18) One cannot predict from Divisional Charts.

> > > > > 19) All aspects being used by BV Raman,KN Rao,Santhanam,

> > > > > LR Chawdhari etc. and susbtabtiating their explanations

> > > > > of natives readings are wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prove above or dont talk.

> > > > > We are not eager to close the Thread.

> > > > > I only wish to avoid Jyotish Bloodbath,that

> > > > > is why I was requesting you to

> > > > > close the thread, and not because of any other reason,

> > > > > but you dont seem to understand. You always

> > > > > misunderstand.

> > > > > So continue the thread. I am ready to argue,

> > > > > debate and discuss.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

In essence ,yes what you are saying is right.

 

But everyone has to discharge their Karmas in line with

Dharma.Detachment is not about not discharging ones karma(police,judge

etc).Lord has mentioned this.

 

Paramatma and Jivatma concept is clear.Thus Lord is present even in a

thief.

 

Krishna did mention about both.

 

Regds

Prdeep

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> //The ability to learn as a team is

> > must.For this we have to see HIM in everyone -

> no matter what is his colour,race or creed.Going

> further we have to see HIM in everyTHING.//

>

> I am a normal man, so do not know much

> about talks on spirituality and satsanga.

> But I have contemplated, alone, much on

> these subjects.And My take on spirituality

> present in fellow human beings,is thus-

>

> God is there in everyone, BUT

> Not everyone, is in God.

>

> A Earthern Pot.

> Atmosphere outside.

> Atmosphere inside.

> Atmosphere is there in the Pot.

> But the Pot is not in the atmosphere.

> It cannot contain the atmosphere,

> but the Atmosphere can contain the Pot.

>

> The Pot breaks and the atmosphere within

> and without becomes one.

>

> Please replace the pot with the Saptakosha

> (Which includes man with his physical kosha),

> and replace the atmosphere with the Parmatma.

>

> Thus in a rapist, in a idiot,in a abuser who

> abuses others for no cause,in a murderer, I

> will see no God, but only Evil, which needs

> to be punished. If I, or the police or the

> Courts, or the Justices,Judges start seeing God

> in such people, then justice would never be able

> to be dispensed with.

>

> But taking your words of wisdom in a higher vein

> and broader outlook, yes collective voice of

> consensus from good men, is the Voice of God.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > Thanks for the kind reply.I was bit busy and hence the delay.

> >

> > Right and Wrong is a relative phenomenon.Spirituality is about

> > knowing the spirit.Atmeeyatha is about knowing the atma.If we

> > understand that every other is the child of Lord,then there should

> > be an element of HIM within everyone.If it is so i can learn from

> > you and you can learn from me.If we do not understand this ,then we

> > are yet to start our spiritual jounrney.Moreover no one is

> > perfect.Thus if others can be wrong then me as well can be

> > wrong.This should also be born in mind.Lord alone can be perfect.

> >

> > Your chart is not prefect -neither is mine.If it was so,then we

> > would not had taken human birth.The ability to learn as a team is

> > must.For this we have to see HIM in everyone - no matter what is his

> > colour,race or creed.Going further we have to see HIM in everyTHING.

> >

> > It is very simple to say ,but the most difficult to practise.But as

> > per me there is no bigger mantra than this.

> >

> > We may have to objectively listen and give everyother a chance.We

> > can respect everyone but at the same time,we have to weigh views

> > with an objective mind.It applies to my views as well.I do not want

> > anyone to blindly accept what i am talking.That brings no merit.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for understanding me now.

> > > My personal view- I do not accept anything

> > > as right or anything wrong. because it is

> > > difficult to assess with my limited brains

> > > the great meanings hidden in the shlokas and

> > > encompassed within, which probably only

> > > the shishyas of those times could fathom, or

> > > spiritually very highly elevated modern men of

> > > today could understand. Since I do not

> > > fall in either category, for me I keep no

> > > bias for anyone and his search-research or

> > > conclusion.

> > > For me,You could be as right as the others,

> > > for want of Great Rishi like Personages like

> > > Parashar, in our presence today, to explain

> > > us the actual truth.

> > > If You notice in all my exchanges, I have

> > > never mentioned that I am right and

> > > You are wrong in our respective approach

> > > to the vargas and assessment thereof.

> > > because honestly speaking no one knows the

> > > real truth actually.

> > > There are many principles contrary to common

> > > knowledge of acceptance, which also work,

> > > but if I try to display those, I would

> > > become a laughing stock for want of

> > > authenticity. Therefore I keep those to

> > > myself, as long as they work for me, its fine.

> > > I do not doubt your researches, and also

> > > believe that ultimately you may prove yourself

> > > right in maybe few decades from now, or few years

> > > too,but till that time, you have to keep your

> > > facts known to you, behind the curtain , for

> > > the reasons mentioned earlier.

> > >

> > > I wish you good progress in your search for the

> > > truth,and believe me I harbor no ill will, have

> > > never harbnored so, but always wish well for all

> > > people like you, and hope that you meet success

> > > soon.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for your love.

> > > > As we have mentioned before,regarding Varga Chakras there is no

> > > > point in writing lengthy mails.Offer answer for the technical

> > points

> > > > which are objectively verifable,once the paper is presented.I

> > have

> > > > mentioned 100 times that you may agree or disagree.It is only

> > for

> > > > the members who are curious.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is only out of compassion and love ,

> > > > > for these good members who were participating

> > > > > in this thread, that I wished to close the thread.

> > > > > I have been requesting continously since the start ,

> > > > > and constantly to please close the thread, since

> > > > > it is getting us nowhere, it would only aim to

> > > > > lower the respect of Shri Pradeepji and the likes,

> > > > > which i did not wish, as we certainly respect him for

> > > > > his Sanskrit knowledge and his generous past,I did

> > > > > not wish him to be at the other end of the Gun, if I

> > > > > can say bluntly,was the reason why I wished to close

> > > > > this thread,so that none would loose face, but

> > > > > my continous requests have fallen on deaf ears.

> > > > > We are all good men, and do not wish other good men

> > > > > like Shri Pradeepji to act unreasonably and then become

> > > > > targetted,was the main reason of my persistent efforts

> > > > > and requests to close the thread.

> > > > > But it seems apparently, still these facts seem to be miles

> > > > > away from these respected members, and they would

> > > > > only like to live in fruitless debates and discussions.

> > > > > So be it.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I still feel pity and compassion, and for

> > > > > the final time I request that stop this thread.

> > > > > I would never like basically good men like Pradeepji,

> > > > > Chandrasekharji, and so many others like them, to

> > > > > ever come in an uncomfortable position.

> > > > > If all our family members remain happy, then so do we.

> > > > > If one of them is uncomfortable then we too

> > > > > loose our peace. Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and cronies,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prove -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) There is nothing like Divisional Charts.

> > > > > > 2) Only Rashi Chart exists.

> > > > > > 3) there is no Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > > 4) There is thus no aspects in Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > > 5) Readings can only be given through Rashi

> > > > > > and its amsas but not Navamsha Chart.

> > > > > > 6) Varga charts are not to be made

> > > > > > 7) Vargas are to be seen from Rashi only.

> > > > > > 8) Shri BV Raman in all his books he has

> > > > > > given Navamsha Chart- He is wrong

> > > > > > 9) Shri KN Rao has given in all his books

> > > > > > Navamsha Chart - He is wrong.

> > > > > > 10)Late Santhanam did not know Sanskrit.

> > > > > > 11)Santhanamji has given in all his books

> > > > > > Navamsha Chart. He is wrong.

> > > > > > 12)All softwares making Navamsha Charts are wrong.

> > > > > > 13)LR Chawdhari showing use of Navamsha Charts is wrong.

> > > > > > 14)All South Indians predicting through Navamsha charts

> > > > > > are wrong.

> > > > > > 15)Chandulal Patel has written wrong books on use of

> > > > > > Navamsha Charts.

> > > > > > 16) All diagrammatical representations in these books are

> > > > > > wrong.

> > > > > > 17) Only you know Sanskrit is right.

> > > > > > 18) One cannot predict from Divisional Charts.

> > > > > > 19) All aspects being used by BV Raman,KN Rao,Santhanam,

> > > > > > LR Chawdhari etc. and susbtabtiating their explanations

> > > > > > of natives readings are wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prove above or dont talk.

> > > > > > We are not eager to close the Thread.

> > > > > > I only wish to avoid Jyotish Bloodbath,that

> > > > > > is why I was requesting you to

> > > > > > close the thread, and not because of any other reason,

> > > > > > but you dont seem to understand. You always

> > > > > > misunderstand.

> > > > > > So continue the thread. I am ready to argue,

> > > > > > debate and discuss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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