Sanjay Dutt birth data/ 1959 is correct 4/8 - Thank you 1956

August 4, 2007

Dear Prashant ji

Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

had gone for Lords decision.

Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

are some important points.

Thanks

Pradeep

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Pradeep,

>

> you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity data is

> fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

but got

> rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

speculation on

> dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

enter

> in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

parts

> with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

consent to

> it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

>

> forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

were

> married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

kid as

> much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

>

> best wishes

>

> On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was after

> > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > had given,might have had a typo.

> >

> > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I feel this

> > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > >

> > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > >

> > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > >

> > > Is it not ?

> > >

> > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

<%40>,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > >

> > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay

> > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > >

> > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > correct

> > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > had

> > > > difference in opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > >

> > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

<%40>,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out

> > of

> > > > shear

> > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this

> > > > love

> > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask

> > for

> > > > and

> > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared

> > > > his

> > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " S.C. Kursija "

> > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Pradeepji,

I am a bit preturbed by this information,

though it has nothing to do with me.

If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

while getting married?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji

>

> Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> had gone for Lords decision.

>

> Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

>

> Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

>

> I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> are some important points.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

data is

> > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> but got

> > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> speculation on

> > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> enter

> > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> parts

> > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> consent to

> > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> >

> > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> were

> > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> kid as

> > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

after

> > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > >

> > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I feel this

> > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

<%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > >

> > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > >

> > > > Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay

> > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > correct

> > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > had

> > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out

> > > of

> > > > > shear

> > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

this

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

shared

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>,

> > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>,

> > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

and Nargis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

It is a well-known story that while shooting for

Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

on March 11,1958.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> though it has nothing to do with me.

>

> If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> while getting married?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji

> >

> > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> > had gone for Lords decision.

> >

> > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> >

> > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> >

> > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > are some important points.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> data is

> > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > but got

> > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > speculation on

> > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> > enter

> > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> > parts

> > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > consent to

> > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > >

> > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> > were

> > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> > kid as

> > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> after

> > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > >

> > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

feel this

> > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > >

> > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

Sanjay

> > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > > had

> > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

created out

> > > > of

> > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> this

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

would ask

> > > > for

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> shared

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>,

> > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>,

> > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Pradeepji,

I am a bit preturbed by this information,

though it has nothing to do with me.

If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

while getting married?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji

>

> Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> had gone for Lords decision.

>

> Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

>

> Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

>

> I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> are some important points.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , " astro desk "

> wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

data is

> > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> but got

> > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> speculation on

> > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> enter

> > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> parts

> > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> consent to

> > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> >

> > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> were

> > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> kid as

> > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

after

> > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > >

> > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I feel this

> > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > >

> > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > >

> > > > Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> ,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay

> > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > correct

> > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > had

> > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> ,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> ,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out

> > > of

> > > > > shear

> > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

this

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

shared

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Pradeepji,

//After seeing the year

as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

praying to vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

suddenly the question of 1956 came in my mind.The answer

from Lord was 1956 //

You gave me my first laugh this day,today.

After taking a round of Red Fort,I visit

a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it mean

that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

Or after having visited the Taj mahal, and

subsequently go to a temple and while doing darshan,

remember Shajahan, would it mean that, I was

bethrothed to Mumtaz few centuries agao ?

That would be preposterous thinking.

Without any base we cannot pass any allegations,

that Sanjay dutt was born out of wed-lock.

If this was so, then do You think Sunil Dutt being a

poilitical figure in his life time ,his opposition

party would not have used this point and shattered his

reputation by now ?

Just trying to push down someone without logic or

proof, does not make sense.

When many pointers give the same year of Birth

as 1959, then we have to accept that

as the truth, and not just that you remembered 1956,in

the temple, or someone vaguely remembers that Sanjay

dutt was born before marriage of Sunil Dutt and Nargis.

We have to be more sensible.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji

>

> Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> had gone for Lords decision.

>

> Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

>

> Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

>

> I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> are some important points.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

data is

> > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> but got

> > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> speculation on

> > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> enter

> > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> parts

> > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> consent to

> > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> >

> > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> were

> > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> kid as

> > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

after

> > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > >

> > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I feel this

> > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

<%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > >

> > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > >

> > > > Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay

> > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > correct

> > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > had

> > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out

> > > of

> > > > > shear

> > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

this

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

shared

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>,

> > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>,

> > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

Ram Ram

Not only laugh for today but also a matter of laughing for long whenever it

would come in remembrance.Kamaal ho gaya Bhagwan ji ne marriage se pahle ki

birth bataa di.Jai ho!

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Pradeepji,

//After seeing the year

as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

praying to vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

suddenly the question of 1956 came in my mind.The answer

from Lord was 1956 //

You gave me my first laugh this day,today.

After taking a round of Red Fort,I visit

a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it mean

that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

Or after having visited the Taj mahal, and

subsequently go to a temple and while doing darshan,

remember Shajahan, would it mean that, I was

bethrothed to Mumtaz few centuries agao ?

That would be preposterous thinking.

Without any base we cannot pass any allegations,

that Sanjay dutt was born out of wed-lock.

If this was so, then do You think Sunil Dutt being a

poilitical figure in his life time ,his opposition

party would not have used this point and shattered his

reputation by now ?

Just trying to push down someone without logic or

proof, does not make sense.

When many pointers give the same year of Birth

as 1959, then we have to accept that

as the truth, and not just that you remembered 1956,in

the temple, or someone vaguely remembers that Sanjay

dutt was born before marriage of Sunil Dutt and Nargis.

We have to be more sensible.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji

>

> Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> had gone for Lords decision.

>

> Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

>

> Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

>

> I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> are some important points.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , " astro desk "

> wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

data is

> > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> but got

> > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> speculation on

> > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> enter

> > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> parts

> > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> consent to

> > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> >

> > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> were

> > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> kid as

> > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

after

> > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > >

> > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I feel this

> > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > >

> > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > >

> > > > Is it not ?

> > > >

> > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> ,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay

> > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > correct

> > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > had

> > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> ,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> ,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out

> > > of

> > > > > shear

> > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

this

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

shared

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Bhaskar

I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a Gujarat based

English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my uncle who lived

in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had brought this.

I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some similarities can

be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his friend wanted

to know if she can become a singer

not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

later he says it is Britney spears

I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in 3 different

states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know how it will be.

while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I said it will only

trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong chart I was against

using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always be speculative.

in Britney who is so well known a good singer

one who had a few marriages break ups

a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper tantrums and

behavioral disorders

who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun posted that data

for discussion all these must tally isn't it

sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out if it and is

supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN IBN said y'day

while discussing his case for community service than a locked in jail

even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such data on one or

two points

and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra in 5-10 yrs is

being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage and be in

politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising him, will fit in

Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

best wishes

On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

>

> Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> and Nargis

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

>

> It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> on March 11,1958.

>

> <%40>,

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeepji,

> >

> > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > though it has nothing to do with me.

> >

> > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > while getting married?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji

> > >

> > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > >

> > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > >

> > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > >

> > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > > are some important points.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> > data is

> > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > > but got

> > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > > speculation on

> > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> > > enter

> > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> > > parts

> > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > > consent to

> > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > >

> > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> > > were

> > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> > > kid as

> > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> > after

> > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

> feel this

> > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

> Sanjay

> > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> created out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> > this

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

> would ask

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> > shared

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Prashantji,

Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

any such type of endevaours when invited.

But if someone just gives me the birth details and

ask, whether

a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

b) Can this lady be a singer ?

c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

d) Can this person be a military leader ?

On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

family members charts, which we astrologers normally

miss out.

Bhaskar.

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Bhaskar

>

> I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a Gujarat

based

> English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my uncle who

lived

> in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

brought this.

>

> I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

>

> I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

similarities can

> be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

>

> I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

friend wanted

> to know if she can become a singer

>

> not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

>

> later he says it is Britney spears

>

> I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in 3

different

> states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know how it

will be.

>

> while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I said it

will only

> trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong chart I was

against

> using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always be

speculative.

>

> in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> one who had a few marriages break ups

> a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper tantrums and

> behavioral disorders

>

> who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun posted that

data

> for discussion all these must tally isn't it

>

> sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out if it

and is

> supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN IBN

said y'day

> while discussing his case for community service than a locked in jail

>

> even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such data

on one or

> two points

>

> and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra in 5-10

yrs is

> being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage and be in

> politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising him, will

fit in

> Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

>

> best wishes

>

> On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> >

> > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > and Nargis

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> >

> > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > on March 11,1958.

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > >

> > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > while getting married?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

<%40>,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing

the year

> > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

question

> > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

dilemma.I should

> > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > >

> > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > >

> > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on

celerity

> > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > >

> > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

chart.There

> > > > are some important points.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

<%40>,

> > " astro desk "

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> > > data is

> > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last

month

> > > > but got

> > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > > > speculation on

> > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we

must not

> > > > enter

> > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access

to such

> > > > parts

> > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > > > consent to

> > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > > >

> > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the

parents

> > > > were

> > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents

he was a

> > > > kid as

> > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

Dutt.It was

> > > after

> > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site

which i

> > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

> > feel this

> > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

> > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

circulation is

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

astrologers

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites

talk of

> > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> > created out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being

part of

> > > this

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

> > would ask

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> > > shared

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

loving child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by

Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me

the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction

on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST

Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0

degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I

think

> > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji ,

you are absolutely Right.

Now if you see pratibha patil's chart.

I have dob only as per News Papers. and her lagna is scorpio.

she donot have any big raj yoga in her Rashi chart. if compared to

Bhairo singh Shekhawat. but even then she defeated him and is now

President of India.

After someone becomes celebrity his chart becomes full of Raj yoga,

and till he is not, he is not even asked for a glass of water.

say if someday i get a chance to become a celebrity , everyone will

try to find Raj yogas in my chart.

so it doesnt matter that chart is of Britney spears or normal girl,

but its capability to prove yogas without knowing the person.

Warm Regards,

Tarun

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashantji,

>

> Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

> celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

> and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

> any such type of endevaours when invited.

>

> But if someone just gives me the birth details and

> ask, whether

> a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

> b) Can this lady be a singer ?

> c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

> d) Can this person be a military leader ?

>

> On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

> debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

> astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

> then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

> a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

> Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

> family members charts, which we astrologers normally

> miss out.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a

Gujarat

> based

> > English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my uncle

who

> lived

> > in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

> brought this.

> >

> > I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

> >

> > I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

> similarities can

> > be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

> >

> > I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

> friend wanted

> > to know if she can become a singer

> >

> > not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

> >

> > later he says it is Britney spears

> >

> > I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in 3

> different

> > states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know how it

> will be.

> >

> > while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I said it

> will only

> > trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong chart I

was

> against

> > using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always be

> speculative.

> >

> > in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> > one who had a few marriages break ups

> > a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper

tantrums and

> > behavioral disorders

> >

> > who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun posted

that

> data

> > for discussion all these must tally isn't it

> >

> > sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out if

it

> and is

> > supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN IBN

> said y'day

> > while discussing his case for community service than a locked in

jail

> >

> > even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such data

> on one or

> > two points

> >

> > and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra in 5-

10

> yrs is

> > being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage and

be in

> > politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising him,

will

> fit in

> > Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> > >

> > > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > > and Nargis

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> > >

> > > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > > on March 11,1958.

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > > >

> > > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > > while getting married?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing

> the year

> > > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

praying to

> > > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

> question

> > > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But

when i

> > > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

> dilemma.I should

> > > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on

> celerity

> > > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

> chart.There

> > > > > are some important points.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all

celebrity

> > > > data is

> > > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some

last

> month

> > > > > but got

> > > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work

or

> > > > > speculation on

> > > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source

we

> must not

> > > > > enter

> > > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has

access

> to such

> > > > > parts

> > > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the

client gives

> > > > > consent to

> > > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before

the

> parents

> > > > > were

> > > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their

parents

> he was a

> > > > > kid as

> > > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

> Dutt.It was

> > > > after

> > > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the

site

> which i

> > > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my

concern.I

> > > feel this

> > > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay

Dutt ?

> > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he

could

> > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is

it not ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was

asking.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman

sitting with

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

> circulation is

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

> astrologers

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All

sites

> talk of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> > > created out

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being

> part of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a

child

> > > would ask

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he

always

> > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

> loving child.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as

RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or

otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-

Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a

Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had

to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like

Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in

Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by

> Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me

> the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find

out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction

> on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share

his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic

astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST

> Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal

moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter

at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect.

Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0

> degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his

chart. I

> think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Tarunji,

Well said,

Every line of this post of yours I second.

The ability is to recognise from the

Chart, the Yogas, which one would make

the native great,elevated or achieve

Bhagyodaya, and when, if the chart does

possess the same.

A normal person visiting a Bar Girl,

would call for much disrepute in his family

circle, but a King , or a wealthy person from a

Royal family, watching Dance, would be called

as " Raees " " Raeesjaada " " Bhai woh toh

Khandaani log hain, woh yeh sab kaam nahin

karenge to kya hum karenge ? "

A middle class person toiling daily to

provide comforts to his family, may not

meet with plesant smile from his better half,

as this is his duty, and nothing great in that,

on the contrary he may receive no praise

at all, neither a loving word, but as soon

a Big company recognises his ability and

picks him up, this same man would become a

wonder man now,and now his better half would

say " he was always a very hard working man and

always toiled for us,for our comforts " .

I know a real case in the family. One person

was earning Rs.20-25000 per month all his

Life, now at age 62, he has been employed by

the biggest Mall owner and Fashion House in India,

at a annual Package of 40 lakhs plus all perks.

See the change in his wife, despised forever,

now he is being treated like a boy freind.

" Kabhi pyaase ko paani pilaya nahi,

Baad amrit pilane se kya fayda "

So the Positive factors of the chart have

to be recognised before hand,

without the name of the celebrity given,

for one to be an accomplished astrologer,

which we all have to strive for.

" Pahle Yoga bataya toh usne kuch bataya,

Naam batane ke baad bataya toh kya bataya "

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji ,

>

> you are absolutely Right.

>

> Now if you see pratibha patil's chart.

> I have dob only as per News Papers. and her lagna is scorpio.

>

> she donot have any big raj yoga in her Rashi chart. if compared to

> Bhairo singh Shekhawat. but even then she defeated him and is now

> President of India.

>

> After someone becomes celebrity his chart becomes full of Raj yoga,

> and till he is not, he is not even asked for a glass of water.

>

> say if someday i get a chance to become a celebrity , everyone will

> try to find Raj yogas in my chart.

>

> so it doesnt matter that chart is of Britney spears or normal girl,

> but its capability to prove yogas without knowing the person.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashantji,

> >

> > Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

> > celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

> > and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

> > any such type of endevaours when invited.

> >

> > But if someone just gives me the birth details and

> > ask, whether

> > a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

> > b) Can this lady be a singer ?

> > c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

> > d) Can this person be a military leader ?

> >

> > On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

> > debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

> > astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

> > then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

> > a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

> > Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

> > family members charts, which we astrologers normally

> > miss out.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar

> > >

> > > I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a

> Gujarat

> > based

> > > English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my uncle

> who

> > lived

> > > in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

> > brought this.

> > >

> > > I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

> > >

> > > I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

> > similarities can

> > > be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

> > >

> > > I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

> > friend wanted

> > > to know if she can become a singer

> > >

> > > not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

> > >

> > > later he says it is Britney spears

> > >

> > > I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in 3

> > different

> > > states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know how it

> > will be.

> > >

> > > while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I said it

> > will only

> > > trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong chart I

> was

> > against

> > > using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always be

> > speculative.

> > >

> > > in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> > > one who had a few marriages break ups

> > > a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper

> tantrums and

> > > behavioral disorders

> > >

> > > who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun posted

> that

> > data

> > > for discussion all these must tally isn't it

> > >

> > > sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out if

> it

> > and is

> > > supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN IBN

> > said y'day

> > > while discussing his case for community service than a locked in

> jail

> > >

> > > even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such data

> > on one or

> > > two points

> > >

> > > and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra in 5-

> 10

> > yrs is

> > > being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage and

> be in

> > > politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising him,

> will

> > fit in

> > > Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > > > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > > > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > > > and Nargis

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> > > >

> > > > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > > > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > > > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > > > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > > > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > > > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > > > on March 11,1958.

> > > >

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > > > while getting married?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing

> > the year

> > > > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> praying to

> > > > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

> > question

> > > > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But

> when i

> > > > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

> > dilemma.I should

> > > > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on

> > celerity

> > > > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

> > chart.There

> > > > > > are some important points.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " astro desk "

> > > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all

> celebrity

> > > > > data is

> > > > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some

> last

> > month

> > > > > > but got

> > > > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work

> or

> > > > > > speculation on

> > > > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source

> we

> > must not

> > > > > > enter

> > > > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has

> access

> > to such

> > > > > > parts

> > > > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the

> client gives

> > > > > > consent to

> > > > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before

> the

> > parents

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their

> parents

> > he was a

> > > > > > kid as

> > > > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

> > Dutt.It was

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the

> site

> > which i

> > > > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my

> concern.I

> > > > feel this

> > > > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay

> Dutt ?

> > > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he

> could

> > > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is

> it not ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was

> asking.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman

> sitting with

> > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

> > circulation is

> > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

> > astrologers

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All

> sites

> > talk of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> > > > created out

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being

> > part of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a

> child

> > > > would ask

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he

> always

> > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

> > loving child.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as

> RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or

> otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-

> Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a

> Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had

> to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like

> Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in

> Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by

> > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me

> > the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find

> out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction

> > on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic

> astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST

> > Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal

> moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter

> at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect.

> Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0

> > degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his

> chart. I

> > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Your posts always are interesting to read.

Hota hei sir..paisa aadmi ko bahot badal deta hei.

I always have doubts..which i ask many ..like

we can see , a boy wants to be a doctor, he is studying medical,

suddenly his father dies, and now he cannot be a doctor due to lack

of financial strength.

some Boys and girls, till father is alive are good in character , as

father dies or is out of town or country, they start to..........

everyone has observed this in nearby to overself.

some boys girls, who study out of the town as no one is controling

them go on bad track.

and there are many many more incidents which are common but hard to

justify.

I think in these cases natural significator of Father i.e. Sun plays

a very important role, in giving self strength.

or saturn is responsible as in my view saturn gives decision power to

chose right and wrong.

Warm Regards

Tarun

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarunji,

>

> Well said,

> Every line of this post of yours I second.

>

> The ability is to recognise from the

> Chart, the Yogas, which one would make

> the native great,elevated or achieve

> Bhagyodaya, and when, if the chart does

> possess the same.

>

> A normal person visiting a Bar Girl,

> would call for much disrepute in his family

> circle, but a King , or a wealthy person from a

> Royal family, watching Dance, would be called

> as " Raees " " Raeesjaada " " Bhai woh toh

> Khandaani log hain, woh yeh sab kaam nahin

> karenge to kya hum karenge ? "

>

> A middle class person toiling daily to

> provide comforts to his family, may not

> meet with plesant smile from his better half,

> as this is his duty, and nothing great in that,

> on the contrary he may receive no praise

> at all, neither a loving word, but as soon

> a Big company recognises his ability and

> picks him up, this same man would become a

> wonder man now,and now his better half would

> say " he was always a very hard working man and

> always toiled for us,for our comforts " .

> I know a real case in the family. One person

> was earning Rs.20-25000 per month all his

> Life, now at age 62, he has been employed by

> the biggest Mall owner and Fashion House in India,

> at a annual Package of 40 lakhs plus all perks.

> See the change in his wife, despised forever,

> now he is being treated like a boy freind.

>

> " Kabhi pyaase ko paani pilaya nahi,

> Baad amrit pilane se kya fayda "

>

> So the Positive factors of the chart have

> to be recognised before hand,

> without the name of the celebrity given,

> for one to be an accomplished astrologer,

> which we all have to strive for.

>

> " Pahle Yoga bataya toh usne kuch bataya,

> Naam batane ke baad bataya toh kya bataya "

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji ,

> >

> > you are absolutely Right.

> >

> > Now if you see pratibha patil's chart.

> > I have dob only as per News Papers. and her lagna is scorpio.

> >

> > she donot have any big raj yoga in her Rashi chart. if compared

to

> > Bhairo singh Shekhawat. but even then she defeated him and is now

> > President of India.

> >

> > After someone becomes celebrity his chart becomes full of Raj

yoga,

> > and till he is not, he is not even asked for a glass of water.

> >

> > say if someday i get a chance to become a celebrity , everyone

will

> > try to find Raj yogas in my chart.

> >

> > so it doesnt matter that chart is of Britney spears or normal

girl,

> > but its capability to prove yogas without knowing the person.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashantji,

> > >

> > > Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

> > > celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

> > > and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

> > > any such type of endevaours when invited.

> > >

> > > But if someone just gives me the birth details and

> > > ask, whether

> > > a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

> > > b) Can this lady be a singer ?

> > > c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

> > > d) Can this person be a military leader ?

> > >

> > > On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

> > > debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

> > > astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

> > > then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

> > > a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

> > > Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

> > > family members charts, which we astrologers normally

> > > miss out.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar

> > > >

> > > > I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a

> > Gujarat

> > > based

> > > > English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my

uncle

> > who

> > > lived

> > > > in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

> > > brought this.

> > > >

> > > > I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

> > > >

> > > > I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

> > > similarities can

> > > > be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

> > > >

> > > > I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

> > > friend wanted

> > > > to know if she can become a singer

> > > >

> > > > not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

> > > >

> > > > later he says it is Britney spears

> > > >

> > > > I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in

3

> > > different

> > > > states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know

how it

> > > will be.

> > > >

> > > > while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I

said it

> > > will only

> > > > trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong

chart I

> > was

> > > against

> > > > using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always

be

> > > speculative.

> > > >

> > > > in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> > > > one who had a few marriages break ups

> > > > a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper

> > tantrums and

> > > > behavioral disorders

> > > >

> > > > who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun

posted

> > that

> > > data

> > > > for discussion all these must tally isn't it

> > > >

> > > > sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out

if

> > it

> > > and is

> > > > supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN

IBN

> > > said y'day

> > > > while discussing his case for community service than a locked

in

> > jail

> > > >

> > > > even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such

data

> > > on one or

> > > > two points

> > > >

> > > > and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra

in 5-

> > 10

> > > yrs is

> > > > being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage

and

> > be in

> > > > politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising

him,

> > will

> > > fit in

> > > > Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > > > > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > > > > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > > > > and Nargis

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > > > > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > > > > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > > > > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > > > > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > > > > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > > > > on March 11,1958.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > > > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > > > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > > > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > > > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > > > > while getting married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After

seeing

> > > the year

> > > > > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> > praying to

> > > > > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

suddenly the

> > > question

> > > > > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was

1956.But

> > when i

> > > > > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

> > > dilemma.I should

> > > > > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate

on

> > > celerity

> > > > > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

> > > chart.There

> > > > > > > are some important points.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " astro desk "

> > > > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as

all

> > celebrity

> > > > > > data is

> > > > > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince

some

> > last

> > > month

> > > > > > > but got

> > > > > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess

work

> > or

> > > > > > > speculation on

> > > > > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic

source

> > we

> > > must not

> > > > > > > enter

> > > > > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has

> > access

> > > to such

> > > > > > > parts

> > > > > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the

> > client gives

> > > > > > > consent to

> > > > > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't

work.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born

before

> > the

> > > parents

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their

> > parents

> > > he was a

> > > > > > > kid as

> > > > > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

> > > Dutt.It was

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and

the

> > site

> > > which i

> > > > > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my

> > concern.I

> > > > > feel this

> > > > > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay

> > Dutt ?

> > > > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he

> > could

> > > > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail.

Is

> > it not ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of

birth

> > > > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going

to

> > > > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was

> > asking.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman

> > sitting with

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as

1956.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

> > > circulation is

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of

Vajpayee,but

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query

again.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to

51,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or

1959.All

> > sites

> > > talk of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a

home

> > > > > created out

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood

being

> > > part of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a

> > child

> > > > > would ask

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even

than he

> > always

> > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

> > > loving child.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is

15:05 as

> > RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or

> > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one

is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert

in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-

> > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a

> > Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I

had

> > to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like

> > Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours

IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in

> > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted

from,by

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has

given me

> > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to

find

> > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate

prediction

> > > on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you

share

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional

vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic

> > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr.

Kar's MST

> > > Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's

natal

> > moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal

jupiter

> > at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect.

> > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to

0

> > > degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his

> > chart. I

> > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

have

> > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Tarunji,

You have touched a very important point in ASTROLOGY,

WHICH IS MISSED BY MANY. All the examples you

mentioned, are in consonance with the changes in

Mahadashas in the natives Life. Such strange happennings

in a persons life, ushered in apparently by external

factors in the family, like you mentioned in some instances,

or else at times, logically not revealed whatsover by

any external or internal factors, ALL THESE MAJOR CHANGES

ARE BORNE OUT OF THE SEEDS AVAILABLE IN THE CHART, which are

clearly visible to the discerning astrologer.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Your posts always are interesting to read.

>

> Hota hei sir..paisa aadmi ko bahot badal deta hei.

>

> I always have doubts..which i ask many ..like

>

> we can see , a boy wants to be a doctor, he is studying medical,

> suddenly his father dies, and now he cannot be a doctor due to lack

> of financial strength.

>

> some Boys and girls, till father is alive are good in character , as

> father dies or is out of town or country, they start to..........

> everyone has observed this in nearby to overself.

>

> some boys girls, who study out of the town as no one is controling

> them go on bad track.

>

> and there are many many more incidents which are common but hard to

> justify.

>

> I think in these cases natural significator of Father i.e. Sun plays

> a very important role, in giving self strength.

> or saturn is responsible as in my view saturn gives decision power to

> chose right and wrong.

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Tarun

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarunji,

> >

> > Well said,

> > Every line of this post of yours I second.

> >

> > The ability is to recognise from the

> > Chart, the Yogas, which one would make

> > the native great,elevated or achieve

> > Bhagyodaya, and when, if the chart does

> > possess the same.

> >

> > A normal person visiting a Bar Girl,

> > would call for much disrepute in his family

> > circle, but a King , or a wealthy person from a

> > Royal family, watching Dance, would be called

> > as " Raees " " Raeesjaada " " Bhai woh toh

> > Khandaani log hain, woh yeh sab kaam nahin

> > karenge to kya hum karenge ? "

> >

> > A middle class person toiling daily to

> > provide comforts to his family, may not

> > meet with plesant smile from his better half,

> > as this is his duty, and nothing great in that,

> > on the contrary he may receive no praise

> > at all, neither a loving word, but as soon

> > a Big company recognises his ability and

> > picks him up, this same man would become a

> > wonder man now,and now his better half would

> > say " he was always a very hard working man and

> > always toiled for us,for our comforts " .

> > I know a real case in the family. One person

> > was earning Rs.20-25000 per month all his

> > Life, now at age 62, he has been employed by

> > the biggest Mall owner and Fashion House in India,

> > at a annual Package of 40 lakhs plus all perks.

> > See the change in his wife, despised forever,

> > now he is being treated like a boy freind.

> >

> > " Kabhi pyaase ko paani pilaya nahi,

> > Baad amrit pilane se kya fayda "

> >

> > So the Positive factors of the chart have

> > to be recognised before hand,

> > without the name of the celebrity given,

> > for one to be an accomplished astrologer,

> > which we all have to strive for.

> >

> > " Pahle Yoga bataya toh usne kuch bataya,

> > Naam batane ke baad bataya toh kya bataya "

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji ,

> > >

> > > you are absolutely Right.

> > >

> > > Now if you see pratibha patil's chart.

> > > I have dob only as per News Papers. and her lagna is scorpio.

> > >

> > > she donot have any big raj yoga in her Rashi chart. if compared

> to

> > > Bhairo singh Shekhawat. but even then she defeated him and is now

> > > President of India.

> > >

> > > After someone becomes celebrity his chart becomes full of Raj

> yoga,

> > > and till he is not, he is not even asked for a glass of water.

> > >

> > > say if someday i get a chance to become a celebrity , everyone

> will

> > > try to find Raj yogas in my chart.

> > >

> > > so it doesnt matter that chart is of Britney spears or normal

> girl,

> > > but its capability to prove yogas without knowing the person.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashantji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

> > > > celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

> > > > and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

> > > > any such type of endevaours when invited.

> > > >

> > > > But if someone just gives me the birth details and

> > > > ask, whether

> > > > a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

> > > > b) Can this lady be a singer ?

> > > > c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

> > > > d) Can this person be a military leader ?

> > > >

> > > > On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

> > > > debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

> > > > astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

> > > > then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

> > > > a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

> > > > Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

> > > > family members charts, which we astrologers normally

> > > > miss out.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " astro desk "

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a

> > > Gujarat

> > > > based

> > > > > English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my

> uncle

> > > who

> > > > lived

> > > > > in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

> > > > brought this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

> > > > similarities can

> > > > > be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

> > > > friend wanted

> > > > > to know if she can become a singer

> > > > >

> > > > > not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

> > > > >

> > > > > later he says it is Britney spears

> > > > >

> > > > > I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in

> 3

> > > > different

> > > > > states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know

> how it

> > > > will be.

> > > > >

> > > > > while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I

> said it

> > > > will only

> > > > > trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong

> chart I

> > > was

> > > > against

> > > > > using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always

> be

> > > > speculative.

> > > > >

> > > > > in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> > > > > one who had a few marriages break ups

> > > > > a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper

> > > tantrums and

> > > > > behavioral disorders

> > > > >

> > > > > who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun

> posted

> > > that

> > > > data

> > > > > for discussion all these must tally isn't it

> > > > >

> > > > > sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out

> if

> > > it

> > > > and is

> > > > > supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN

> IBN

> > > > said y'day

> > > > > while discussing his case for community service than a locked

> in

> > > jail

> > > > >

> > > > > even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such

> data

> > > > on one or

> > > > > two points

> > > > >

> > > > > and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra

> in 5-

> > > 10

> > > > yrs is

> > > > > being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage

> and

> > > be in

> > > > > politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising

> him,

> > > will

> > > > fit in

> > > > > Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > > > > > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > > > > > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > > > > > and Nargis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > > > > > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > > > > > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > > > > > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > > > > > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > > > > > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > > > > > on March 11,1958.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > > > > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > > > > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > > > > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > > > > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > > > > > while getting married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After

> seeing

> > > > the year

> > > > > > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> > > praying to

> > > > > > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

> suddenly the

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was

> 1956.But

> > > when i

> > > > > > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

> > > > dilemma.I should

> > > > > > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate

> on

> > > > celerity

> > > > > > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

> > > > chart.There

> > > > > > > > are some important points.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " astro desk "

> > > > > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as

> all

> > > celebrity

> > > > > > > data is

> > > > > > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince

> some

> > > last

> > > > month

> > > > > > > > but got

> > > > > > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess

> work

> > > or

> > > > > > > > speculation on

> > > > > > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic

> source

> > > we

> > > > must not

> > > > > > > > enter

> > > > > > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has

> > > access

> > > > to such

> > > > > > > > parts

> > > > > > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the

> > > client gives

> > > > > > > > consent to

> > > > > > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't

> work.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born

> before

> > > the

> > > > parents

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their

> > > parents

> > > > he was a

> > > > > > > > kid as

> > > > > > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

> > > > Dutt.It was

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and

> the

> > > site

> > > > which i

> > > > > > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my

> > > concern.I

> > > > > > feel this

> > > > > > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay

> > > Dutt ?

> > > > > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he

> > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail.

> Is

> > > it not ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of

> birth

> > > > > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going

> to

> > > > > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was

> > > asking.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman

> > > sitting with

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as

> 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

> > > > circulation is

> > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of

> Vajpayee,but

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query

> again.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to

> 51,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or

> 1959.All

> > > sites

> > > > talk of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a

> home

> > > > > > created out

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood

> being

> > > > part of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a

> > > child

> > > > > > would ask

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even

> than he

> > > always

> > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

> > > > loving child.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is

> 15:05 as

> > > RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or

> > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one

> is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert

> in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-

> > > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a

> > > Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I

> had

> > > to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like

> > > Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours

> IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in

> > > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted

> from,by

> > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has

> given me

> > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to

> find

> > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate

> prediction

> > > > on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you

> share

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional

> vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr.

> Kar's MST

> > > > Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's

> natal

> > > moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal

> jupiter

> > > at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect.

> > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to

> 0

> > > > degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his

> > > chart. I

> > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Tarunji,

// some Boys and girls, till father is alive are good in

character , as father dies or is out of town or country,

they start to..........

everyone has observed this in nearby to overself.//

This too is an important point, and has a strong base in the

traditional dictums of our fore fathers. Our old

generations always advised to stay in joint family for the same

reason. Even the lal kitab advocates joint family.

The moon if weak and other tamasic planets

being also blemished, may create desires in the mind of

the native, when no Peer pressure is available.

As soon as he gets opportunity, his weak mind

wishes to make the most of it. As long as the factor " Sun "

was strong through external influence by way of his

Father,Grandfather, and other Male elders in the family,

staying together, the native with weak vascillating mind,

could not have the guts to overstep. But as soon as the

factor is removed, he goes astray temporarily. As You

said Saturn also plays a important role. Remember all the

old men in family would represent Saturn too, and

if with good wisdom, then Jupiter too.

If one is having Shani sadesathi, and others in family

are running good times, then the native would not feel

much suffering, as his would be overlapped by others good

fortunes. Which is also the reason why I ask a person

having strong activation of 8th House in his Mahadasha,

I ask him to keep a partner in business, as the 7th being 12th

to the 8th,has the potential to break the evil of the 8th or

reduce the same to a great extent.If one searches in above

lines, one would find the reason why elders used to

tell us to keep good friends, and when we grow older,why we

need satsang.

Thus advocation of staying in Joint family.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Your posts always are interesting to read.

>

> Hota hei sir..paisa aadmi ko bahot badal deta hei.

>

> I always have doubts..which i ask many ..like

>

> we can see , a boy wants to be a doctor, he is studying medical,

> suddenly his father dies, and now he cannot be a doctor due to lack

> of financial strength.

>

> some Boys and girls, till father is alive are good in character , as

> father dies or is out of town or country, they start to..........

> everyone has observed this in nearby to overself.

>

> some boys girls, who study out of the town as no one is controling

> them go on bad track.

>

> and there are many many more incidents which are common but hard to

> justify.

>

> I think in these cases natural significator of Father i.e. Sun plays

> a very important role, in giving self strength.

> or saturn is responsible as in my view saturn gives decision power to

> chose right and wrong.

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Tarun

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarunji,

> >

> > Well said,

> > Every line of this post of yours I second.

> >

> > The ability is to recognise from the

> > Chart, the Yogas, which one would make

> > the native great,elevated or achieve

> > Bhagyodaya, and when, if the chart does

> > possess the same.

> >

> > A normal person visiting a Bar Girl,

> > would call for much disrepute in his family

> > circle, but a King , or a wealthy person from a

> > Royal family, watching Dance, would be called

> > as " Raees " " Raeesjaada " " Bhai woh toh

> > Khandaani log hain, woh yeh sab kaam nahin

> > karenge to kya hum karenge ? "

> >

> > A middle class person toiling daily to

> > provide comforts to his family, may not

> > meet with plesant smile from his better half,

> > as this is his duty, and nothing great in that,

> > on the contrary he may receive no praise

> > at all, neither a loving word, but as soon

> > a Big company recognises his ability and

> > picks him up, this same man would become a

> > wonder man now,and now his better half would

> > say " he was always a very hard working man and

> > always toiled for us,for our comforts " .

> > I know a real case in the family. One person

> > was earning Rs.20-25000 per month all his

> > Life, now at age 62, he has been employed by

> > the biggest Mall owner and Fashion House in India,

> > at a annual Package of 40 lakhs plus all perks.

> > See the change in his wife, despised forever,

> > now he is being treated like a boy freind.

> >

> > " Kabhi pyaase ko paani pilaya nahi,

> > Baad amrit pilane se kya fayda "

> >

> > So the Positive factors of the chart have

> > to be recognised before hand,

> > without the name of the celebrity given,

> > for one to be an accomplished astrologer,

> > which we all have to strive for.

> >

> > " Pahle Yoga bataya toh usne kuch bataya,

> > Naam batane ke baad bataya toh kya bataya "

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji ,

> > >

> > > you are absolutely Right.

> > >

> > > Now if you see pratibha patil's chart.

> > > I have dob only as per News Papers. and her lagna is scorpio.

> > >

> > > she donot have any big raj yoga in her Rashi chart. if compared

> to

> > > Bhairo singh Shekhawat. but even then she defeated him and is now

> > > President of India.

> > >

> > > After someone becomes celebrity his chart becomes full of Raj

> yoga,

> > > and till he is not, he is not even asked for a glass of water.

> > >

> > > say if someday i get a chance to become a celebrity , everyone

> will

> > > try to find Raj yogas in my chart.

> > >

> > > so it doesnt matter that chart is of Britney spears or normal

> girl,

> > > but its capability to prove yogas without knowing the person.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashantji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes I agree of the authenticity of birth times of

> > > > celebrity is a big issue.It is difficult to verify these,

> > > > and that is the reason I normally do not participate in

> > > > any such type of endevaours when invited.

> > > >

> > > > But if someone just gives me the birth details and

> > > > ask, whether

> > > > a) Can this man be a wealthy person ?

> > > > b) Can this lady be a singer ?

> > > > c) Is this a sportsman horoscope ?

> > > > d) Can this person be a military leader ?

> > > >

> > > > On such enquiries, it is okay to discuss, as a

> > > > debate.where names are given afterwards, but the

> > > > astrological reasoning is discussed prior to that.

> > > > then it serves as a learning process, otherwise

> > > > a waste of time, discussing on others charts.

> > > > Why not instead spend time on ones own chart or

> > > > family members charts, which we astrologers normally

> > > > miss out.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " astro desk "

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > I read this info in 1974 in a magazine called Mother India a

> > > Gujarat

> > > > based

> > > > > English magazine I can't say it is there now or is gone my

> uncle

> > > who

> > > > lived

> > > > > in Zambia where such a large Gujarati community were there had

> > > > brought this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I WILL NEVER CLAIM it or any celeb info authentic.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still maintain that any celeb data is questionable some

> > > > similarities can

> > > > > be seen for known events we can't get too far in it

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope u remember in JR TARUn posted a female chart saying his

> > > > friend wanted

> > > > > to know if she can become a singer

> > > > >

> > > > > not one who interpreted it said she can be one including him

> > > > >

> > > > > later he says it is Britney spears

> > > > >

> > > > > I posted links from 3 diff sites which show her being born in

> 3

> > > > different

> > > > > states in USA and with a few time zones differences u know

> how it

> > > > will be.

> > > > >

> > > > > while posting my 1st reaction after knowing it was hers I

> said it

> > > > will only

> > > > > trivialise astrology as WE Can't prove anything on wrong

> chart I

> > > was

> > > > against

> > > > > using celebrity for discussions for said reasons will always

> be

> > > > speculative.

> > > > >

> > > > > in Britney who is so well known a good singer

> > > > > one who had a few marriages break ups

> > > > > a drug addict, a pron star an alcoholic with severe temper

> > > tantrums and

> > > > > behavioral disorders

> > > > >

> > > > > who went into an asylum is in the news at the time tarun

> posted

> > > that

> > > > data

> > > > > for discussion all these must tally isn't it

> > > > >

> > > > > sanjay dutt is also know to be a drug addict and has come out

> if

> > > it

> > > > and is

> > > > > supposed to be a role model for people to come out if it CNN

> IBN

> > > > said y'day

> > > > > while discussing his case for community service than a locked

> in

> > > jail

> > > > >

> > > > > even for this 1956 seems closer, but I wont risk more on such

> data

> > > > on one or

> > > > > two points

> > > > >

> > > > > and those who want to try pl consider him CM of maharashtra

> in 5-

> > > 10

> > > > yrs is

> > > > > being groomed to take up this term to gain him some mileage

> and

> > > be in

> > > > > politics if u see how cong-i MP's, ministers are praising

> him,

> > > will

> > > > fit in

> > > > > Sunil datt's seat once his film line dries out.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/4/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > EXTRACTS FROM WIKIPEDIA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sanjay Dutt (born 29 July 1959) is an

> > > > > > Indian Bollywood actor. A two time Filmfare Awards

> > > > > > winner, he is the son of Bollywood stars Sunil Dutt

> > > > > > and Nargis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a well-known story that while shooting for

> > > > > > Mother India,Nargis was trapped amidst lit haystacks

> > > > > > while filming a scene. As the flames got higher and

> > > > > > higher, Sunil Dutt, who played her rebellious son

> > > > > > Birju in the film, ran through the fire and rescued

> > > > > > her. Later, Dutt proposed to her, and they married

> > > > > > on March 11,1958.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > > > > > > though it has nothing to do with me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > > > > > > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > > > > > > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > > > > > > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > > > > > > while getting married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After

> seeing

> > > > the year

> > > > > > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> > > praying to

> > > > > > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

> suddenly the

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was

> 1956.But

> > > when i

> > > > > > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a

> > > > dilemma.I should

> > > > > > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate

> on

> > > > celerity

> > > > > > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

> > > > chart.There

> > > > > > > > are some important points.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " astro desk "

> > > > > > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as

> all

> > > celebrity

> > > > > > > data is

> > > > > > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince

> some

> > > last

> > > > month

> > > > > > > > but got

> > > > > > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess

> work

> > > or

> > > > > > > > speculation on

> > > > > > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic

> source

> > > we

> > > > must not

> > > > > > > > enter

> > > > > > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has

> > > access

> > > > to such

> > > > > > > > parts

> > > > > > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the

> > > client gives

> > > > > > > > consent to

> > > > > > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't

> work.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born

> before

> > > the

> > > > parents

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their

> > > parents

> > > > he was a

> > > > > > > > kid as

> > > > > > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

> > > > Dutt.It was

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and

> the

> > > site

> > > > which i

> > > > > > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my

> > > concern.I

> > > > > > feel this

> > > > > > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay

> > > Dutt ?

> > > > > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he

> > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail.

> Is

> > > it not ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of

> birth

> > > > > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going

> to

> > > > > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was

> > > asking.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman

> > > sitting with

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as

> 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

> > > > circulation is

> > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of

> Vajpayee,but

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query

> again.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to

> 51,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or

> 1959.All

> > > sites

> > > > talk of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a

> home

> > > > > > created out

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood

> being

> > > > part of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a

> > > child

> > > > > > would ask

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even

> than he

> > > always

> > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a

> > > > loving child.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is

> 15:05 as

> > > RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or

> > > otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one

> is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert

> in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-

> > > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a

> > > Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I

> had

> > > to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like

> > > Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours

> IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in

> > > Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted

> from,by

> > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has

> given me

> > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to

> find

> > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate

> prediction

> > > > on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you

> share

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional

> vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr.

> Kar's MST

> > > > Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's

> natal

> > > moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal

> jupiter

> > > at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect.

> > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to

> 0

> > > > degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his

> > > chart. I

> > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

It is an intersting question.I assume they would have given the child

to some relatives or friends at the time of garland exchange:-).

From what i have read,Sunil dutt used to work for a radio company and

got the chance to interview film stars.Nargis was one such.His entry

into films followed this acquintance.Nargis stopped acting immediately

after marriage to look after children.

Thus i cannot say for sure.But there are chances.If what Parashant ji

is talking is right,then the chances are very high.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> though it has nothing to do with me.

>

> If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> while getting married?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji

> >

> > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> > had gone for Lords decision.

> >

> > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> >

> > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> >

> > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > are some important points.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> data is

> > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > but got

> > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > speculation on

> > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> > enter

> > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> > parts

> > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > consent to

> > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > >

> > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> > were

> > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> > kid as

> > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> after

> > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > >

> > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

feel this

> > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > >

> > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

Sanjay

> > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > > had

> > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

created out

> > > > of

> > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> this

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

would ask

> > > > for

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> shared

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>,

> > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>,

> > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

> You gave me my first laugh this day,today. > After taking a round of

Red Fort,I visit > a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it

mean> that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

I don't know.Lord has to answer.

Regds

Pradeep

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> //After seeing the year

> as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> praying to vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

> suddenly the question of 1956 came in my mind.The answer

> from Lord was 1956 //

>

> You gave me my first laugh this day,today.

> After taking a round of Red Fort,I visit

> a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it mean

> that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

>

> Or after having visited the Taj mahal, and

> subsequently go to a temple and while doing darshan,

> remember Shajahan, would it mean that, I was

> bethrothed to Mumtaz few centuries agao ?

> That would be preposterous thinking.

>

> Without any base we cannot pass any allegations,

> that Sanjay dutt was born out of wed-lock.

> If this was so, then do You think Sunil Dutt being a

> poilitical figure in his life time ,his opposition

> party would not have used this point and shattered his

> reputation by now ?

>

> Just trying to push down someone without logic or

> proof, does not make sense.

> When many pointers give the same year of Birth

> as 1959, then we have to accept that

> as the truth, and not just that you remembered 1956,in

> the temple, or someone vaguely remembers that Sanjay

> dutt was born before marriage of Sunil Dutt and Nargis.

>

> We have to be more sensible.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji

> >

> > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the year

> > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the question

> > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I should

> > had gone for Lords decision.

> >

> > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> >

> > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> >

> > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > are some important points.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> data is

> > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > but got

> > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > speculation on

> > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we must not

> > enter

> > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access to such

> > parts

> > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > consent to

> > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > >

> > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the parents

> > were

> > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he was a

> > kid as

> > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> after

> > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site which i

> > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > >

> > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

feel this

> > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> ,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > >

> > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > ,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

Sanjay

> > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers

> > > > had

> > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > ,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > ,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of

> > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

created out

> > > > of

> > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> this

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

would ask

> > > > for

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> shared

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Pradeepji,

From your stand - All Assumptions and presumptions

but no authentications.

Your take of the birth before marriage has not

got a single proper source but just

Your thought and mr.Prashantjis vague

rememberance. Is this how we are going to

fix the years of Birth for celebrities ?

I have given you 5 seperate sources, but

all mentioniung same Year as Birth ?

Yet I have been asked to ask these sources

again ? Are we serious or wasting ones time ?

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> It is an intersting question.I assume they would have given the child

> to some relatives or friends at the time of garland exchange:-).

>

> From what i have read,Sunil dutt used to work for a radio company and

> got the chance to interview film stars.Nargis was one such.His entry

> into films followed this acquintance.Nargis stopped acting immediately

> after marriage to look after children.

>

> Thus i cannot say for sure.But there are chances.If what Parashant ji

> is talking is right,then the chances are very high.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeepji,

> >

> > I am a bit preturbed by this information,

> > though it has nothing to do with me.

> >

> > If Nargis -Sunil Dutt were married in

> > 1958, and if Sanjay dutt was born on

> > July 1956, then, were the couple on their marriage

> > day, holding the 1-2 year old child in their arms

> > while getting married?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji

> > >

> > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the

year

> > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

question

> > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I

should

> > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > >

> > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > >

> > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > >

> > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > > are some important points.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> > data is

> > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > > but got

> > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > > speculation on

> > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we

must not

> > > enter

> > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access

to such

> > > parts

> > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > > consent to

> > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > >

> > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the

parents

> > > were

> > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he

was a

> > > kid as

> > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> > after

> > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site

which i

> > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

> feel this

> > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

> Sanjay

> > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

astrologers

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites

talk of

> > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> created out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> > this

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

> would ask

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> > shared

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving

child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Pradeepji,

I would not mind believing many things that

enter my mind on various occasions , but that

belief I would allow only temporary stay in my

mind, and not mouth to others as authentic.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> > You gave me my first laugh this day,today. > After taking a round of

> Red Fort,I visit > a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it

> mean> that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

>

> I don't know.Lord has to answer.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeepji,

> >

> > //After seeing the year

> > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> > praying to vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

> > suddenly the question of 1956 came in my mind.The answer

> > from Lord was 1956 //

> >

> > You gave me my first laugh this day,today.

> > After taking a round of Red Fort,I visit

> > a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it mean

> > that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

> >

> > Or after having visited the Taj mahal, and

> > subsequently go to a temple and while doing darshan,

> > remember Shajahan, would it mean that, I was

> > bethrothed to Mumtaz few centuries agao ?

> > That would be preposterous thinking.

> >

> > Without any base we cannot pass any allegations,

> > that Sanjay dutt was born out of wed-lock.

> > If this was so, then do You think Sunil Dutt being a

> > poilitical figure in his life time ,his opposition

> > party would not have used this point and shattered his

> > reputation by now ?

> >

> > Just trying to push down someone without logic or

> > proof, does not make sense.

> > When many pointers give the same year of Birth

> > as 1959, then we have to accept that

> > as the truth, and not just that you remembered 1956,in

> > the temple, or someone vaguely remembers that Sanjay

> > dutt was born before marriage of Sunil Dutt and Nargis.

> >

> > We have to be more sensible.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji

> > >

> > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the

year

> > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

question

> > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I

should

> > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > >

> > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > >

> > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on celerity

> > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > >

> > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the chart.There

> > > are some important points.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " astro desk "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> > data is

> > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last month

> > > but got

> > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > > speculation on

> > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we

must not

> > > enter

> > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access

to such

> > > parts

> > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > > consent to

> > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > >

> > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the

parents

> > > were

> > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he

was a

> > > kid as

> > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late Dutt.It was

> > after

> > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site

which i

> > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

> feel this

> > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > ,

> > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > ,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

> Sanjay

> > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

astrologers

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > ,

> > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > ,

> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites

talk of

> > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> created out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of

> > this

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

> would ask

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> > shared

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving

child.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time

> > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think

> > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

August 4, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

I did not mouth anything as authentic.Even after the signal(1956) i

had agreed to 1959 based on the marriage date.Prashant ji then made an

interesting point.This was in line with my thoughts.Did i ever say

it is authentic?

Pls read my last mail - i said the chances are very high.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> I would not mind believing many things that

> enter my mind on various occasions , but that

> belief I would allow only temporary stay in my

> mind, and not mouth to others as authentic.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > > You gave me my first laugh this day,today. > After taking a round of

> > Red Fort,I visit > a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it

> > mean> that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

> >

> > I don't know.Lord has to answer.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > //After seeing the year

> > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was

> > > praying to vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple,

> > > suddenly the question of 1956 came in my mind.The answer

> > > from Lord was 1956 //

> > >

> > > You gave me my first laugh this day,today.

> > > After taking a round of Red Fort,I visit

> > > a temple and remember King Akbar there, would it mean

> > > that I was King Akbar in my last Janma ?

> > >

> > > Or after having visited the Taj mahal, and

> > > subsequently go to a temple and while doing darshan,

> > > remember Shajahan, would it mean that, I was

> > > bethrothed to Mumtaz few centuries agao ?

> > > That would be preposterous thinking.

> > >

> > > Without any base we cannot pass any allegations,

> > > that Sanjay dutt was born out of wed-lock.

> > > If this was so, then do You think Sunil Dutt being a

> > > poilitical figure in his life time ,his opposition

> > > party would not have used this point and shattered his

> > > reputation by now ?

> > >

> > > Just trying to push down someone without logic or

> > > proof, does not make sense.

> > > When many pointers give the same year of Birth

> > > as 1959, then we have to accept that

> > > as the truth, and not just that you remembered 1956,in

> > > the temple, or someone vaguely remembers that Sanjay

> > > dutt was born before marriage of Sunil Dutt and Nargis.

> > >

> > > We have to be more sensible.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant ji

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much.I was bit unhappy yesterday.After seeing the

> year

> > > > as 1956,me went to temple with family.There while i was praying to

> > > > vighneswara in the devi manonmani ambal temple, suddenly the

> question

> > > > of 1956 came in my mind.The answer from Lord was 1956.But when i

> > > > reached home i saw nargis marriage in 1958.I was in a dilemma.I

> should

> > > > had gone for Lords decision.

> > > >

> > > > Now your info is Brliiant.Lords Grace.

> > > >

> > > > Yes unless info is first hand,we should never speculate on

celerity

> > > > charts.It is a sheer waste of time.

> > > >

> > > > I would request members to draw 1956 july 29 and see the

chart.There

> > > > are some important points.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " astro desk "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > you can check many sites and still get no where as all celebrity

> > > data is

> > > > > fictitious or assumed, I tried in vain to convince some last

month

> > > > but got

> > > > > rebuked for it ASTROLOGY is for the needy not guess work or

> > > > speculation on

> > > > > dubious data, unless we have it from an authentic source we

> must not

> > > > enter

> > > > > in discussing it and we can see no astrologer who has access

> to such

> > > > parts

> > > > > with it-client confidentiality gets hurt unless the client gives

> > > > consent to

> > > > > it being discussed without mentioning his name won't work.

> > > > >

> > > > > forget sanjay datt I vaguely remember he was born before the

> parents

> > > > were

> > > > > married too this was in early 70's stories on their parents he

> was a

> > > > kid as

> > > > > much as me then max a few yrs older to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/4/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I checked the marriage between Late Nargis and Late

Dutt.It was

> > > after

> > > > > > Mother India Movie in 1958.Thus 1959 is right and the site

> which i

> > > > > > had given,might have had a typo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether he is a parsi or jain or cross is not my concern.I

> > feel this

> > > > > > forum is for discussing jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > ,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ?

> > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could

> > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ?

> > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines,

> > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem,

> > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India,

> > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth

> > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is it not ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to

> > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with

> > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under

circulation is

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but

> astrologers

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > difference in opinion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the

> > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus.

> > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers

> > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years

> > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51,

> > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites

> talk of

> > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php?

> > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home

> > created out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > shear

> > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being

part of

> > > this

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child

> > would ask

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always

> > > shared

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving

> child.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > ,

> > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details.

> > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at

> > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in

> > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system.

> > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution,

> > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna-

> > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by

Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me

the time

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > ,

> > > > > > " M Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction

on Mr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail

> > > > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth details?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could

> > > > > > > > > > > > predict with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > accurately

> > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST

Theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in

> > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29

> > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0

degree in

> > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I

think

> > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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