[JG] Sanskrit translations by R santanam- Amavasya 4/8

[Guest guest]

Venket,

 

Only guess is as I have no material to support this is there can be a

mis-interpretation by someone and it comtinues from a mistake I gave the

example of Prmodam being used as Pramadam and GrUhaprevesam as Grahaprevesam

so a mistake that continues can be one reason

 

possible if u learn a language from ur mother tongue than the original one

say how we have English in European and Asian countries even Indian states

sound , speak it differently. and is not corrected still say in Hindi belt u

can see iState, iSmile, iSchool still used. in AP z is pronounced as jed say

jero ]zero], mujic [music] in TN. Malayalam it is cero, cig sag [zig zag]

so in sanskrit if such errors have been used to translate a word can miss

the main point

 

I MEAN say amavasya is good for x, y z reasons in a, b c conditions if

missed a simple interpretation saying it is good for all could have crept in

 

the like what Baskar also said none of them appear to possible on a Amavasya

day but it is done in TN alone.

 

I don't know any work that says it is good if any says as said I am open to

fresh look. and I don't mean to hurt any language sentiments, I have

covered other languages also here, but when it comes to religious and

astrological texts others still use sanskrit base so has little damaged

material.

 

 

Best wishes

 

On 8/4/07, Venkat Machiraju <punditvenkat wrote:

>

> why is amavasya auspicious in Tamil Nadu and not anywhere else?

>

> -

> Bhaskar

> <%40>

> Friday, August 03, 2007 2:04 PM

> Re: [JG] Sanskrit translations by R santanam-

> Amavasya

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> Your comments on his thread are appreciated.

> I would like to ask the other participants whether

> opening a new business, or having sex on Amavasya,

> is it preferable ?Also cutting hair on Amavasya,

> or a bride returning to her husbands home or

> Parents home ,ie.starting journey on that day ?

> Is it auspicious ?

>

> I dont think so.

>

> They have written essays without any applicability of

> Amavasya. What is good on Amavasya and what is bad ?

> The thread does not serve any purpose by generalisations

> of events occuring in the world. What,where and how

> would happen, only means Jyotish, Rest is all public

> rumours.

>

> I would await to hear their comments.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > Thank you.Who is the other one you are referring to having RP?

> >

> > Now i can speak and understand a tamil bit ,but cannot read or write.

> >

> > Is it Amavasyai aana - Naalum Kelamai Parka theva illai

> >

> > (You have written Amavasyai aana nalum, kelamai parka teva illa).

> >

> > If what i have written is true then does it mean - if it is

> > amavasyai, then naal -star and kelamai -day doesn't matter.

> >

> > Yes ,if that is the meaning then it grants auspisciousness to

> > Amavasya in general.

> >

> > I was talking about amavasya consideration in Jyotish in relation to

> > mind.Whether the mind can impregnate and deligate to various planets

> > to act externally.Similarly to turn inward and renounce.

> >

> > But i do not know about muhurtha.Thus who knows if it is auspiscious

> > or not?When new moon and deeksha was mentioned there was huge noise

> > in this list.Thus whether Tamilians had any reason to think so have

> > to be studied before arriving at any conclusions.I feel those who

> > consider Soura Mana or Solar calendar do consider amavasya as

> > auspiscous.

> >

> > I will wait for Chandrashekhar ji to comment.I cannot speculate on

> > what i do not know.For the things i talk with conviction i provide

> > supportive pramanas or logic,and views of many.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > that was the point in my message too. that in a context alone it

> > can be good

> > > but the common practice is if it is an Amavasya one need not see

> > good or bad

> > > day, time anytime is good in Tamil populace.

> > >

> > > that is some who don't do any auspicious work on a Tue if amavasya

> > will do

> > > it again it is local not to choose a Tue here]

> > >

> > > the Quote is Amavasyai aana Nalum, Kelamai parka thevai illai I

> > hope I got

> > > the transliteration right. and no offense meant to anyone plz.'

> > >

> > > you will find all registrar, sub registrar offices full on an

> > amavsasya no

> > > stamp paper will be available a few days before and certainly on

> > Amavasya.

> > >

> > > new vehicles, Gruhaprevesha's [house warming, marriages also r

> > done on that

> > > days which no Astrological work suggests. except like i felt if

> > Mesha or

> > > Simha Surya is in or their Lagnas. provided they r strong

> > >

> > > again the corruption for Gruhaprevesha entering the house is

> > written as

> > > Grihaprevesam here some even Girhaprevesam, or Grahaprevesam

> > >

> > > so how can such simple errors in translation make a lot of

> > difference to the

> > > meaning it is like Yudishtra's like to Dronacharya Ashwathama

> > hatha

> > > kunjarah -said in low tone] kind of situations

> > >

> > > so we must take the works of people who use Sanskrit more in their

> > > languages. Malyalam, Kannada, Telugu, Orriya, Hindi, Marathi etc.

> > sure these

> > > works or authors who translate from them to English will do better.

> > >

> > > I am happy u read it and found something to comment unlike the

> > other one who

> > > can see one person's works alone for rest he has RP

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 8/3/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prasanth ji

> > > >

> > > > You have to see for what purpose a day is chosen.Nothing is out

> > of

> > > > context.

> > > >

> > > > Amavasya for Raja yoga or Mantra sadhana.Especially the Surya

> > > > Grahana one.

> > > >

> > > > Surya is the very sat and atma.Individual identity be it for a

> > human

> > > > being or other life beings is not possible without Surya.Thus he

> > is

> > > > the karaka for seperate identity.

> > > >

> > > > The desire from individual soul is then conceived by the mind,the

> > > > Moon.If the mind has no strength,such desires cannot get

> > > > impregnated.For the same reason strength of Moon is important in

> > > > Jyotish.When the Moon is full the mind is full.The Raja needs a

> > > > strong and powerful mind with a full confidence and authority

> > > > over ''his'' abilities and power.This is one angle.

> > > >

> > > > When the Moon is Null,the mind is null and free.This mind can

> > become

> > > > a devils workshop or a vessel longing to receive the drop of

> > eternal

> > > > wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > In this light you may try to understand the view of

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > ji - Surya Grahana is the best time for recieving Guru

> > > > Deeksha.The ''I'' and ''my'' abilities are nill.

> > > >

> > > > Thus before we write off something as mistranslations we may also

> > > > verify the context.

> > > >

> > > > This is my own view and you may accpet or deject.You are also

> > free

> > > > to ignore me.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " astro desk "

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Members

> > > > >

> > > > > a 3rd part must have come in 1st one missed it

> > > > > When i sued pramodam and pramada to explain the corrupted

> > version

> > > > but gives

> > > > > diff meanings

> > > > >

> > > > > like wise we have no other better example of such corruption

> > than

> > > > the most

> > > > > auspicious day observed in Tamils is Amavasya which no work in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > says is good [one bad translation must have through moves got

> > > > circulated]

> > > > >

> > > > > I can max see that amavasya of Mesha and Simha can be good as

> > both

> > > > can give

> > > > > a raja Yoga others doubtful I hope sree PVN RAO can find some

> > > > slokas on this

> > > > >

> > > > > many interpretations from such corrupted sounds, words has

> > lead to

> > > > the mess

> > > > > we see inRS's works or Tyagaraja's and Annamaya's songs the

> > > > mechanics will

> > > > > be met not the spirit or soul of a compositiion

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/2/07, Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if the information below is correct or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, one thing I can say is that the translations given

> > by

> > > > > > Santhanam are not fully reliable. There are places in BPHS

> > where

> > > > a

> > > > > > line can be interpreted in multiple ways and Santhanam gave

> > one

> > > > > > interpretation without outlining others for the benefit of

> > > > readers. In

> > > > > > some cases, the interpretation he picked from multiple

> > > > candidates is

> > > > > > questionable. In some other cases, the interpretation he

> > gave is

> > > > > > simply impossible and based on an erroneous translation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS translation by Santhanam is definitely a useful work,

> > but

> > > > by no

> > > > > > means accurate or reliable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Translating something like BPHS is not easy. A scholar of

> > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > without a deep understanding Jyotish and a scholar of Jyotish

> > > > without

> > > > > > mastery over Sanskrit usage will both mess it up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a Sanskrit scholar and have a very good comfort level in

> > > > reading

> > > > > > Sanskrit poetry and prose. In the last 15 years, I have

> > studied a

> > > > > > little bit of astrology too and have some understanding of

> > the

> > > > > > subject. In my weekly Jyotish class in greater Boston, I

> > > > independently

> > > > > > interpret verses from BPHS. When there is scope for multiple

> > > > > > interpretations, I outline them all. I then give my pick

> > based on

> > > > > > experience when appropriate. Learned astrologers are welcome

> > to

> > > > take

> > > > > > advantage of the free mp3 audio recordings of my classes (see

> > > > link below).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I see that a lot of youngsters waste their time in

> > unnecessarily

> > > > > > bitter arguments (like I used to do a few years back). Truth

> > is

> > > > > > in-corruptible. If 1000 people shout loud and teach wrong

> > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > it may become popular but will not survive for long. Only

> > Truth

> > > > can

> > > > > > (and does) survive for ever. There is no death for True

> > > > knowledge. It

> > > > > > is within each being and the being can access it when ready.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before convincing others about the little we know, we should

> > > > work on

> > > > > > improving our own knowledge. I know for a fact that what

> > great

> > > > > > teachers teach today is only the tip of the iceberg and

> > there is

> > > > a lot

> > > > > > of knowledge waiting to be re-discovered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Spend more time in meditation and introspection than in

> > argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If my 2 cents of advice ruffles any feathers, my apologies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those of you who are enamoured by Late Shri Santhanam's

> > > > > > translations would be delighted to know that he never

> > translated

> > > > a

> > > > > > single book and got it translated through Pandits who knew

> > > > Sanskrit by

> > > > > > paying a measely sum of Rs. 5/- or so per shloka. It is a

> > common

> > > > > > knowledge in Delhi's astrological circle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > >

> > > 0186

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sashie

 

that is agreed all over India or vedic astrology except in tamil populace

which can due to some erroneous translation and is stuck I had hinted or if

there is a any rule we don't know I am open to it someone must clarify this

to us

as only they consider it auspicious for any activity I am sure it must be an

error, but is practices so vigorously many c-section births are also done

for the auspicious birth [according to them not me]

 

and such poor effrt can be seen in santanams works also in his translation I

said hinted

 

u can see may others do better on BPHS.

 

Best wishes

 

On 8/4/07, Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Ram Ram!

> Amavasya is one among 57 yogas that are always prohibited for performing

> any auspicious ceremony or for starting Subh Karma as you mentioned.

> Ekadasi,Chathurdasi,Amavasaya,Poornima,Sankraanti,Vayatipaata,Bhadra,Day

> of fasting,Day of Shradhaa,Tuesday and Saturday are prohibited for hair

> cutting.To wash cloths on Thursday is not auspicious for Grasthies at all.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>>

> wrote:

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> Your comments on his thread are appreciated.

> I would like to ask the other participants whether

> opening a new business, or having sex on Amavasya,

> is it preferable ?Also cutting hair on Amavasya,

> or a bride returning to her husbands home or

> Parents home ,ie.starting journey on that day ?

> Is it auspicious ?

>

> I dont think so.

>

> They have written essays without any applicability of

> Amavasya. What is good on Amavasya and what is bad ?

> The thread does not serve any purpose by generalisations

> of events occuring in the world. What,where and how

> would happen, only means Jyotish, Rest is all public

> rumours.

>

> I would await to hear their comments.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > Thank you.Who is the other one you are referring to having RP?

> >

> > Now i can speak and understand a tamil bit ,but cannot read or write.

> >

> > Is it Amavasyai aana - Naalum Kelamai Parka theva illai

> >

> > (You have written Amavasyai aana nalum, kelamai parka teva illa).

> >

> > If what i have written is true then does it mean - if it is

> > amavasyai, then naal -star and kelamai -day doesn't matter.

> >

> > Yes ,if that is the meaning then it grants auspisciousness to

> > Amavasya in general.

> >

> > I was talking about amavasya consideration in Jyotish in relation to

> > mind.Whether the mind can impregnate and deligate to various planets

> > to act externally.Similarly to turn inward and renounce.

> >

> > But i do not know about muhurtha.Thus who knows if it is auspiscious

> > or not?When new moon and deeksha was mentioned there was huge noise

> > in this list.Thus whether Tamilians had any reason to think so have

> > to be studied before arriving at any conclusions.I feel those who

> > consider Soura Mana or Solar calendar do consider amavasya as

> > auspiscous.

> >

> > I will wait for Chandrashekhar ji to comment.I cannot speculate on

> > what i do not know.For the things i talk with conviction i provide

> > supportive pramanas or logic,and views of many.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > that was the point in my message too. that in a context alone it

> > can be good

> > > but the common practice is if it is an Amavasya one need not see

> > good or bad

> > > day, time anytime is good in Tamil populace.

> > >

> > > that is some who don't do any auspicious work on a Tue if amavasya

> > will do

> > > it again it is local not to choose a Tue here]

> > >

> > > the Quote is Amavasyai aana Nalum, Kelamai parka thevai illai I

> > hope I got

> > > the transliteration right. and no offense meant to anyone plz.'

> > >

> > > you will find all registrar, sub registrar offices full on an

> > amavsasya no

> > > stamp paper will be available a few days before and certainly on

> > Amavasya.

> > >

> > > new vehicles, Gruhaprevesha's [house warming, marriages also r

> > done on that

> > > days which no Astrological work suggests. except like i felt if

> > Mesha or

> > > Simha Surya is in or their Lagnas. provided they r strong

> > >

> > > again the corruption for Gruhaprevesha entering the house is

> > written as

> > > Grihaprevesam here some even Girhaprevesam, or Grahaprevesam

> > >

> > > so how can such simple errors in translation make a lot of

> > difference to the

> > > meaning it is like Yudishtra's like to Dronacharya Ashwathama

> > hatha

> > > kunjarah -said in low tone] kind of situations

> > >

> > > so we must take the works of people who use Sanskrit more in their

> > > languages. Malyalam, Kannada, Telugu, Orriya, Hindi, Marathi etc.

> > sure these

> > > works or authors who translate from them to English will do better.

> > >

> > > I am happy u read it and found something to comment unlike the

> > other one who

> > > can see one person's works alone for rest he has RP

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 8/3/07, vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prasanth ji

> > > >

> > > > You have to see for what purpose a day is chosen.Nothing is out

> > of

> > > > context.

> > > >

> > > > Amavasya for Raja yoga or Mantra sadhana.Especially the Surya

> > > > Grahana one.

> > > >

> > > > Surya is the very sat and atma.Individual identity be it for a

> > human

> > > > being or other life beings is not possible without Surya.Thus he

> > is

> > > > the karaka for seperate identity.

> > > >

> > > > The desire from individual soul is then conceived by the mind,the

> > > > Moon.If the mind has no strength,such desires cannot get

> > > > impregnated.For the same reason strength of Moon is important in

> > > > Jyotish.When the Moon is full the mind is full.The Raja needs a

> > > > strong and powerful mind with a full confidence and authority

> > > > over ''his'' abilities and power.This is one angle.

> > > >

> > > > When the Moon is Null,the mind is null and free.This mind can

> > become

> > > > a devils workshop or a vessel longing to receive the drop of

> > eternal

> > > > wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > In this light you may try to understand the view of

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > ji - Surya Grahana is the best time for recieving Guru

> > > > Deeksha.The ''I'' and ''my'' abilities are nill.

> > > >

> > > > Thus before we write off something as mistranslations we may also

> > > > verify the context.

> > > >

> > > > This is my own view and you may accpet or deject.You are also

> > free

> > > > to ignore me.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > <%40>>

> 40>,

> > > > " astro desk "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Members

> > > > >

> > > > > a 3rd part must have come in 1st one missed it

> > > > > When i sued pramodam and pramada to explain the corrupted

> > version

> > > > but gives

> > > > > diff meanings

> > > > >

> > > > > like wise we have no other better example of such corruption

> > than

> > > > the most

> > > > > auspicious day observed in Tamils is Amavasya which no work in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > says is good [one bad translation must have through moves got

> > > > circulated]

> > > > >

> > > > > I can max see that amavasya of Mesha and Simha can be good as

> > both

> > > > can give

> > > > > a raja Yoga others doubtful I hope sree PVN RAO can find some

> > > > slokas on this

> > > > >

> > > > > many interpretations from such corrupted sounds, words has

> > lead to

> > > > the mess

> > > > > we see inRS's works or Tyagaraja's and Annamaya's songs the

> > > > mechanics will

> > > > > be met not the spirit or soul of a compositiion

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 8/2/07, Narasimha Rao

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if the information below is correct or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, one thing I can say is that the translations given

> > by

> > > > > > Santhanam are not fully reliable. There are places in BPHS

> > where

> > > > a

> > > > > > line can be interpreted in multiple ways and Santhanam gave

> > one

> > > > > > interpretation without outlining others for the benefit of

> > > > readers. In

> > > > > > some cases, the interpretation he picked from multiple

> > > > candidates is

> > > > > > questionable. In some other cases, the interpretation he

> > gave is

> > > > > > simply impossible and based on an erroneous translation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS translation by Santhanam is definitely a useful work,

> > but

> > > > by no

> > > > > > means accurate or reliable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Translating something like BPHS is not easy. A scholar of

> > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > without a deep understanding Jyotish and a scholar of Jyotish

> > > > without

> > > > > > mastery over Sanskrit usage will both mess it up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a Sanskrit scholar and have a very good comfort level in

> > > > reading

> > > > > > Sanskrit poetry and prose. In the last 15 years, I have

> > studied a

> > > > > > little bit of astrology too and have some understanding of

> > the

> > > > > > subject. In my weekly Jyotish class in greater Boston, I

> > > > independently

> > > > > > interpret verses from BPHS. When there is scope for multiple

> > > > > > interpretations, I outline them all. I then give my pick

> > based on

> > > > > > experience when appropriate. Learned astrologers are welcome

> > to

> > > > take

> > > > > > advantage of the free mp3 audio recordings of my classes (see

> > > > link below).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I see that a lot of youngsters waste their time in

> > unnecessarily

> > > > > > bitter arguments (like I used to do a few years back). Truth

> > is

> > > > > > in-corruptible. If 1000 people shout loud and teach wrong

> > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > it may become popular but will not survive for long. Only

> > Truth

> > > > can

> > > > > > (and does) survive for ever. There is no death for True

> > > > knowledge. It

> > > > > > is within each being and the being can access it when ready.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before convincing others about the little we know, we should

> > > > work on

> > > > > > improving our own knowledge. I know for a fact that what

> > great

> > > > > > teachers teach today is only the tip of the iceberg and

> > there is

> > > > a lot

> > > > > > of knowledge waiting to be re-discovered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Spend more time in meditation and introspection than in

> > argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If my 2 cents of advice ruffles any feathers, my apologies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those of you who are enamoured by Late Shri Santhanam's

> > > > > > translations would be delighted to know that he never

> > translated

> > > > a

> > > > > > single book and got it translated through Pandits who knew

> > > > Sanskrit by

> > > > > > paying a measely sum of Rs. 5/- or so per shloka. It is a

> > common

> > > > > > knowledge in Delhi's astrological circle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > >

> > > 0186

> > >

> > >

> > >