Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear All What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of 1959,while one interview shows 1956. http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of shear love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this love and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for and he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared his toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. Regds Pradeep , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Sh.Bhaskar, > Thanks for providing birth details. > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > to be able to predict from that system. > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > Dutt going to jail > > during > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > birth details? > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > astrology, one could > > predict with > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > have predicted > > accurately > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > taurus at 0 degree > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > degrees libra, the > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > going to come back to > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > leo in july 2007 > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > he will have to > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely, > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 you can try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt Regards , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear All > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of shear > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this love > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for and > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared his > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > wrote: > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > Dutt going to jail > > > during > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > birth details? > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > astrology, one could > > > predict with > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > have predicted > > > accurately > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > degrees libra, the > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > going to come back to > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > he will have to > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, i have already given 3 sources of BT where the year of birth is the same, in consensus. So there was no need to put up this query again. Another point. In all the newspapers it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years old, and this happens only with 1959. With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, which of course we all know, he is not. regards, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear All > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of shear > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this love > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for and > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared his > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > wrote: > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > Dutt going to jail > > > during > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > birth details? > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > astrology, one could > > > predict with > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > have predicted > > > accurately > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > degrees libra, the > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > going to come back to > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > he will have to > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is correct or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers had difference in opinion. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji, > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > Another point. In all the newspapers > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > which of course we all know, he is not. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of shear > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this love > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for and > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared his > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > during > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > birth details? > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > astrology, one could > > > > predict with > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > have predicted > > > > accurately > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > going to come back to > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > he will have to > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? However favourite he may be of mines, but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, one of the rascals and terrorists in India, that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? so why are we worried so much about his year of birth or date of birth or time of birth ? We as astrolohers have better things to do. Is it not ? Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to create trouble in India till they live. Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is correct > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers had > difference in opinion. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of > shear > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > love > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for > and > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > his > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > during > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > predict with > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > have predicted > > > > > accurately > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big personalities >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given to me >>- 15 Hours IST. You can ask this institution - what was their source of birth.What is this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay Dutt? You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting angry as below. > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things to >do. I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 sources,inspite of yourself having better things to do. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > However favourite he may be of mines, > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > Is it not ? > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > create trouble in India till they live. > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is correct > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers had > > difference in opinion. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of > > shear > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > > love > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for > > and > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > > his > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > during > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, I sincerely feel, we should have better things to do doing rather than not this. You have always misunderstood and never thought on the right track. I was never angry at all on this thread. The institution had given me the Charts for Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. My Guruji is not available for talks without appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose for a moment, that I came to know directly from Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because we are all too smart and can connect the events astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once the event has taken place. You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, and I thought you were serious all the time. a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt were married, you start your stories of disbelief in 1959 Birth. c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt so in the temple. d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the birth is. Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is what you are supposed to do . You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? They have not come. You promised me a answer to a question before last night. It has not yet come. You need not answer both of these, with such an unfocused mind please. You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? What should I ask him ? When all sources show 1959 the shall i tell him that one person got a vision in the temple as 1956 year of birth, so now i disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once again ? Or shall I tell him - that one person vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on Internet Forums.) What shall I ask my Guruji ? The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? It was nothing personal but project work . Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 in the mind when you visited the temple.? We should have been instead discussing about his birth time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. And again remember I have no problem with you, and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, if applied well. From my side I am now closing my take on Sanjay Dutt. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big personalities > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given to me > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of birth.What is > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay Dutt? > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > angry as below. > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things to >do. > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 sources,inspite > of yourself having better things to do. > > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > Is it not ? > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is correct > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers had > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of > > > shear > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > > > love > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for > > > and > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > > > his > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post and a technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also addressed. The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your intentions (Chart reading) were not true. You can beleive or do not beleive. Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji, > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > do doing rather than not this. You have always > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > The institution had given me the Charts for > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > we are all too smart and can connect the events > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > the event has taken place. > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > 1959 Birth. > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > so in the temple. > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > birth is. > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > what you are supposed to do . > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > They have not come. > You promised me a answer to a question > before last night. It has not yet come. > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > unfocused mind please. > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > What should I ask him ? > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > again ? > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > Internet Forums.) > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > It was nothing personal but project work . > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big personalities > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given to me > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of birth.What is > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay Dutt? > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > > angry as below. > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things to >do. > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 sources,inspite > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is > correct > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers had > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created out of > > > > shear > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > > > > love > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would ask for > > > > and > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > > > > his > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > <sckursija@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, Inability to perform or deliver, due to whatever reasons, which I would not go into,from your side, DOES NOT AMOUNT to - THAT MY INTENTIONS WERE NOT TRUE. That is wrong assessment on your part. That is why I always say, that You misunderstand. In fact You should have been happy that you got a native asking you for spiritual Enquiry,instead of the usual ones, concerning material. You should also be happy that I asked you something which would be known only by me, and that too when I would leave the world, so that you would not be touched in any way, even if your reading went wrong. My mails are always full of fun. I live life like this. Kingsize. You should be feeling fortunate and blessed that I am never angry with you, but always dealing with You patiently and understandingly, though you are talking all, but astrology. regards, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post and a > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also addressed. > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your intentions > (Chart reading) were not true. > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > 1959 Birth. > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > so in the temple. > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > birth is. > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > They have not come. > > You promised me a answer to a question > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > unfocused mind please. > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > What should I ask him ? > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > again ? > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > Internet Forums.) > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big personalities > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given to me > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of birth.What is > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay > Dutt? > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things > to >do. > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 sources,inspite > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is > > correct > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers > had > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created > out of > > > > > shear > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > > > > > love > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would > ask for > > > > > and > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > > > > > his > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment once >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for petty >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for about >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 minutes ,that too once in 2 months. 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both of you have no other job to do. These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others in this list as well,except for your buddies. I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is an astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is your real intention? Regds Pradeep , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post and a > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also addressed. > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your intentions > (Chart reading) were not true. > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > 1959 Birth. > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > so in the temple. > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > birth is. > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > They have not come. > > You promised me a answer to a question > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > unfocused mind please. > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > What should I ask him ? > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > again ? > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > Internet Forums.) > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big personalities > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given to me > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of birth.What is > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay > Dutt? > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things > to >do. > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 sources,inspite > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with Sanjay > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is > > correct > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers > had > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created > out of > > > > > shear > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of this > > > > > love > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would > ask for > > > > > and > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always shared > > > > > his > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Respected Pradeep ji, Why should you get drawn into a useless debate? Can't you just ignore? Respectfully, RP Singh , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment once > >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for petty > >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for about > >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 > minutes ,that too once in 2 months. > > 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at > ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. > > 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your > Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both of > you have no other job to do. > > These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others in > this list as well,except for your buddies. > > I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is an > astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and > start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is your > real intention? > > Regds > Pradeep > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post and a > > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also addressed. > > > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your intentions > > (Chart reading) were not true. > > > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > > 1959 Birth. > > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > > so in the temple. > > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > > birth is. > > > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > > They have not come. > > > You promised me a answer to a question > > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > > unfocused mind please. > > > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > > What should I ask him ? > > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > > again ? > > > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > > Internet Forums.) > > > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big > personalities > > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given > to me > > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of > birth.What is > > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay > > Dutt? > > > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things > > to >do. > > > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 > sources,inspite > > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with > Sanjay > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is > > > correct > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers > > had > > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created > > out of > > > > > > shear > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of > this > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would > > ask for > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always > shared > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear RP Singh ji I am trying my level best to communicate with others.In this process i ignore their ugly and indecent comments and respond to the valid part pertaining to jyotish alone.I don't care about their allegations. But here one astrological forum is used continously for spreading hatred using foul words. Lastly totally illogical and inconsistent mails are sent taking the whole forum for a ride. I was hoping that(honestly) these respected gentlemen will realize for themselves. Regds Pradeep , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > Why should you get drawn into a useless debate? Can't you just > ignore? > > Respectfully, > > RP Singh > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment > once > > >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for > petty > > >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for > about > > >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 > > minutes ,that too once in 2 months. > > > > 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at > > ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. > > > > 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your > > Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both > of > > you have no other job to do. > > > > These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others > in > > this list as well,except for your buddies. > > > > I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is > an > > astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and > > start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is > your > > real intention? > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post > and a > > > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also > addressed. > > > > > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your > intentions > > > (Chart reading) were not true. > > > > > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > > > > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > > > 1959 Birth. > > > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > > > so in the temple. > > > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > > > birth is. > > > > > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > > > They have not come. > > > > You promised me a answer to a question > > > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > > > unfocused mind please. > > > > > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > > > What should I ask him ? > > > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > > > again ? > > > > > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > > > Internet Forums.) > > > > > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work > upon two > > > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big > > personalities > > > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth > given > > to me > > > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of > > birth.What is > > > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and > Sanjay > > > Dutt? > > > > > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in > person.After my > > > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily > getting > > > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or > date of > > > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better > things > > > to >do. > > > > > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 > > sources,inspite > > > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it > not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under > circulation is > > > > correct > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but > astrologers > > > had > > > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites > talk of > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home > created > > > out of > > > > > > > shear > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being > part of > > this > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child > would > > > ask for > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he > always > > shared > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving > child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to > make > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the > time > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on > Mr. > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST > Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon > in > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree > in > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I > think > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, You being one of the respected members of the Forum, I cannot even ask you whether you have left some portion of the top storey somewhere and not yet found it. Sir, since last 10 weeks, You have been doing this only,no contributions, no sharing, no discussions, but just picking out sentences from someones mail and then making a issue of a non -issue. If I start doing this from your or anyone elses mails, then only we 2 would be left here for ther next 5 years. I have been always mantaining that you eternally misunderstand, over think, are suspicious,and always viewing others as people out to corner you, which is not the case always. Today, you have outdone your own idiosyncrasies. When I was undergoing my training under my Guru- that was the time when we had discussed Sanjay Dutts chart. We were discussing factors for imprisonment etc. which is what I told another member here I think 2 days before, that I will check the examples on his blog with my own method. Training is not done for 10 minutes, otherwise again you would catch hold of that statement. Now since my training for the particular Part was over, and we no more meet on any designated hours of the week for learning, any further meeting can be done only by appointment. AND HE IS REALLY BUSY WHEN HE IS NOT TEACHING. Hope your mind does not start jumping to conclusions any more . My intentions are always clear. And never Dual. Only Good intentions I keep, no space for any other. I am not interested in discussing such silly issues or giving you any explanations. For me you never were material enough to do so. So please clean your mind about me. Buddies I have many. Yes but I dont work with them, and neither they with me. I fight my battles alone. And you are not/and never were a Foe for me, so please remove that thinking from your mind about me. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment once > >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for petty > >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for about > >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 > minutes ,that too once in 2 months. > > 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at > ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. > > 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your > Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both of > you have no other job to do. > > These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others in > this list as well,except for your buddies. > > I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is an > astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and > start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is your > real intention? > > Regds > Pradeep > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post and a > > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also addressed. > > > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your intentions > > (Chart reading) were not true. > > > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > > 1959 Birth. > > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > > so in the temple. > > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > > birth is. > > > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > > They have not come. > > > You promised me a answer to a question > > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > > unfocused mind please. > > > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > > What should I ask him ? > > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > > again ? > > > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > > Internet Forums.) > > > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work upon two > > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big > personalities > > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth given > to me > > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of > birth.What is > > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and Sanjay > > Dutt? > > > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in person.After my > > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily getting > > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or date of > > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better things > > to >do. > > > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 > sources,inspite > > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with > Sanjay > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under circulation is > > > correct > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but astrologers > > had > > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites talk of > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home created > > out of > > > > > > shear > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being part of > this > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child would > > ask for > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he always > shared > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to make > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the time > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on Mr. > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon in > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree in > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I think > > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear RP Singhji, You should be advising this to all of us. Shri Pradeepji, is not drawn, but drawing people to his useless debates, which are non-astrological and waste of time, and making issue out of non-issues. Why should he be picking up statements from others mails and commenting ,untiringly on these. Why should we be discussing so much on someones Birth Year or date of birth. How is this going to help, I am unable to understand uptil now. Probably the only explanation, is to deviate the topic from unsuccessful completion or culminations of the previous useless debate which was inconclusive. regards, Bhaskar. , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > Why should you get drawn into a useless debate? Can't you just > ignore? > > Respectfully, > > RP Singh > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment > once > > >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for > petty > > >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for > about > > >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 > > minutes ,that too once in 2 months. > > > > 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at > > ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. > > > > 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your > > Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both > of > > you have no other job to do. > > > > These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others > in > > this list as well,except for your buddies. > > > > I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is > an > > astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and > > start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is > your > > real intention? > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post > and a > > > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also > addressed. > > > > > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your > intentions > > > (Chart reading) were not true. > > > > > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > > > > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > > > 1959 Birth. > > > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > > > so in the temple. > > > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > > > birth is. > > > > > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > > > They have not come. > > > > You promised me a answer to a question > > > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > > > unfocused mind please. > > > > > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > > > What should I ask him ? > > > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > > > again ? > > > > > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > > > Internet Forums.) > > > > > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work > upon two > > > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big > > personalities > > > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth > given > > to me > > > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of > > birth.What is > > > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and > Sanjay > > > Dutt? > > > > > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in > person.After my > > > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily > getting > > > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or > date of > > > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better > things > > > to >do. > > > > > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 > > sources,inspite > > > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it > not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under > circulation is > > > > correct > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but > astrologers > > > had > > > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites > talk of > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home > created > > > out of > > > > > > > shear > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being > part of > > this > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child > would > > > ask for > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he > always > > shared > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving > child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth-Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to > make > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the > time > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on > Mr. > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST > Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon > in > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree > in > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I > think > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, I will request you the same thing. Just ignore any mail you don't like; and don't get drawn into meaningless discussion. I am giving a chance to change the topic. I have just now posted planetary combinations for Heart disease. May be some people start discussing that. For the last couple of years I have been collecting references in astrology books about various diseases. Regards, R P Singh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear RP Singhji, > > You should be advising this to all of us. > > Shri Pradeepji, is not drawn, but drawing people to his > useless debates, which are non-astrological and waste of > time, and making issue out of non-issues. > > Why should he be picking up statements from others mails > and commenting ,untiringly on these. > > Why should we be discussing so much on someones Birth Year > or date of birth. How is this going to help, I am unable to > understand uptil now. > > Probably the only explanation, is to deviate the topic > from unsuccessful completion or culminations of the > previous useless debate which was inconclusive. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > > > Why should you get drawn into a useless debate? Can't you just > > ignore? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > appointment > > once > > > >in 2 months that too for 10 minutes,> > so I cannot ask him for > > petty > > > >things, but this chart > > has already been discussed by us for > > about > > > >3 hours at > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > > > 1)You say ,your Guruji is very busy.He is available only for 10 > > > minutes ,that too once in 2 months. > > > > > > 2)Next you say ,both of you had discussed chart of Sanjay Dutt at > > > ''one stretch'' for THREE HOURS. > > > > > > 3)Then you say ,we have better things to do as astrologers.If your > > > Guruji and you are discussing this for 3 hours - does it mean both > > of > > > you have no other job to do. > > > > > > These are simple questions that come to my mind.Perhaps to others > > in > > > this list as well,except for your buddies. > > > > > > I am sorry to say this.But there is a limit for everything.This is > > an > > > astrological forum.You are talking all these illogical things and > > > start accusing others engaged in Jyotish as time wasters.What is > > your > > > real intention? > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I had infact,prepared a reply on your chart.I was about to post > > and a > > > > technical problem created a delay.Spiritual concern was also > > addressed. > > > > > > > > The delay was long and it meant time is not ripe and your > > intentions > > > > (Chart reading) were not true. > > > > > > > > You can beleive or do not beleive. > > > > > > > > Rest of the mail,as usual is fun. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely feel, we should have better things to > > > > > do doing rather than not this. You have always > > > > > misunderstood and never thought on the right track. > > > > > > > > > > I was never angry at all on this thread. > > > > > > > > > > The institution had given me the Charts for > > > > > Project work, to make the Charts Manually and submit > > > > > them,for appraisal. Thats all I can say at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > My Guruji is not available for talks without > > > > > appointment once in 2 months that too for 10 minutes, > > > > > so I cannot ask him for petty things, but this chart > > > > > has already been discussed by us for about 3 hours at > > > > > a stretch so what is the further need to ask him ? > > > > > Even if he was accessible 24 hours, I could > > > > > not have asked him to confirm the BT, as that would > > > > > tatamount to, showing oversmartness and not > > > > > having belief in the timings he gave. Suppose > > > > > for a moment, that I came to know directly from > > > > > Sanjay Dutt that the timings given by him were > > > > > wrong, yet I would not approach him for such talks. > > > > > > > > > > I have given 3 sources to you, for YOU to evaluate, as > > > > > you were worried,and not me, I dont care about Sanjay > > > > > dutt, his birth time, or what is going to happen or > > > > > what has happened or whether he will work tomoorow or > > > > > go and sleep in a Desert, I dont care. I dont like > > > > > postmartems on dead persons ( Known events ),because > > > > > we are all too smart and can connect the events > > > > > astrologically even if a fly sits on his nose, once > > > > > the event has taken place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You brought up the issue many times, and unnecessarily, > > > > > and I thought you were serious all the time. > > > > > > > > > > a) First You agreed to the year of Birth as 1959. > > > > > b) next when Prashanji says that he vaguely remembers > > > > > that Sanjay dutt was born before Nargis and Sunil Dutt > > > > > were married, you start your stories of disbelief in > > > > > 1959 Birth. > > > > > c) After been given many sources including Wikipedia, > > > > > You still stick to the 1956 Birth year, because you felt > > > > > so in the temple. > > > > > d) You still are not sure as to what the year of the > > > > > birth is. > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepji you seem to be unfocused totally. You have > > > > > not been talking astrologically since last 10 weeks > > > > > or so, I do not know why you bring up such small issues > > > > > and take the time of others, who have to do the explaining > > > > > to keep their clothes clean. Why are you raking up > > > > > unnecessary issues, and not doing astrology, which is > > > > > what you are supposed to do . > > > > > > > > > > You promised me Readings on my Vimsamsa ? > > > > > They have not come. > > > > > You promised me a answer to a question > > > > > before last night. It has not yet come. > > > > > > > > > > You need not answer both of these, with such an > > > > > unfocused mind please. > > > > > > > > > > You ask me to ask my Guruji about his date ? > > > > > What should I ask him ? > > > > > When all sources show 1959 the shall i > > > > > tell him that one person got a vision in the temple > > > > > as 1956 year of birth, so now i > > > > > disbelieve You ? So please confirm Guruji once > > > > > again ? > > > > > > > > > > Or shall I tell him - that one person > > > > > vaguely remembers that Sanjay was born much before > > > > > marriage,of his father and mother, so please confirm > > > > > whether he is a " Bastard " (Here I am not using this as > > > > > a bad word. I respect Sanjay Dutt as an actor and love > > > > > his films since childhood.)(I never use bad words on > > > > > Internet Forums.) > > > > > > > > > > What shall I ask my Guruji ? > > > > > > > > > > The institution , why am I supposed to question them ? > > > > > It was nothing personal but project work . > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you ask God how did he put 1956 > > > > > in the mind when you visited the temple.? > > > > > > > > > > We should have been instead discussing about his birth > > > > > time, but you have made a big issue of the Birth year only, > > > > > though this has been confirmed as same from many sources. > > > > > > > > > > Sir please talk astrology and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > And again remember I have no problem with you, > > > > > and always respect you for your knowledge of Sanskrit, > > > > > if applied well. From my side I am now closing my > > > > > take on Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > >>1) I had been given a project by a Institution,to work > > upon two > > > > > > >>years ago, in which I had to make charts for some Big > > > personalities > > > > > > >>like Chidambaram etc.including Sanjay Dutt.Time of Birth > > given > > > to me > > > > > > >>- 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can ask this institution - what was their source of > > > birth.What is > > > > > > this institution going to do with charts of Chidambaram and > > Sanjay > > > > Dutt? > > > > > > > > > > > > You could have also asked your Guru astrologer for > > > > > > confirmation-especially as Sanjay dutt consults in > > person.After my > > > > > > mail,instead defending these sources,you were unnecessarily > > getting > > > > > > angry as below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > or > > date of > > > > > > >birth or time of birth > > We as astrolohers have better > > things > > > > to >do. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not bring up the issue.Yopu yourself had given 3 > > > sources,inspite > > > > > > of yourself having better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but why are we so much worried about Sanjay Dutt ? > > > > > > > he had relations with the terrorists thats why he could > > > > > > > possess the AK-47 ? Isnt it ? > > > > > > > However favourite he may be of mines, > > > > > > > but this idiot has been chatting with Abu Salem, > > > > > > > one of the rascals and terrorists in India, > > > > > > > that is why he has been shifted to yerwada jail. Is it > > not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so why are we worried so much about his year of birth > > > > > > > or date of birth or time of birth ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We as astrolohers have better things to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thes ecross breeds Hindu-Muslim are always going to > > > > > > > create trouble in India till they live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say ,1956 is the year of birth.I was asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the link provided,you can see a gentleman sitting with > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Dutt and interviewing him.It is mentioned as 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not know for sure,whether the one under > > circulation is > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > or not.Newspapers do calculate age of Vajpayee,but > > astrologers > > > > had > > > > > > > > difference in opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have already given 3 sources of BT where the > > > > > > > > > year of birth is the same, in consensus. > > > > > > > > > So there was no need to put up this query again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another point. In all the newspapers > > > > > > > > > it is mentioned that Sanjay Dutt is 48 years > > > > > > > > > old, and this happens only with 1959. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 1956 as BT, the age of Sanjay comes to 51, > > > > > > > > > which of course we all know, he is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the year of birth - 1956 or 1959.All sites > > talk of > > > > > > > > > > 1959,while one interview shows 1956. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.asianoutlook.com/web/index.php? > > > > > > > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=43 & Itemid=55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heart 2 Heart with Sanjay Dutt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Bombay on the 29th Jul 1956 into a home > > created > > > > out of > > > > > > > > shear > > > > > > > > > > love for each other he spent his childhood being > > part of > > > this > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > and affection and he was given everything a child > > would > > > > ask for > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > he became a little spoilt brat but even than he > > always > > > shared > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > toys with everyone around him and remained a loving > > child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > > > <sckursija@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > According to me his time of birth is 15:05 as RP at > > > > > > > > > > > 20:16 Delhi on 03-8-07 points to the same. > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear M.Sharmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any approach whether Traditional or otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > can be a good predictive tool, if one is a > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in that tool. To become a Expert in > > > > > > > > > > > > any approach is the criteria for one, > > > > > > > > > > > > to be able to predict from that system. > > > > > > > > > > > > No system is weak or not strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have with me 3 Birth times of Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt. In all the 3 the date of Birth is > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 29th July 1959 ,Place of Birth- Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I had been given a project by a Institution, > > > > > > > > > > > > to work upon two years ago, in which I had to > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > charts for some Big personalities like > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.including Sanjay Dutt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth given to me - 15 Hours IST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) In the newspapers yesterday in Samna- > > > > > > > > > > > > published and owned by Bal Thakeray in Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of Birth was given as 15.05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One of My Gurus, who is consulted from,by > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt personally and regularly, has given me the > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > of Birth as 14.45.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now which is true, You will have to find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " M Sharma " > > > > > > > > > > > > <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw your note on the accurate prediction on > > Mr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dutt going to jail > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 2007. Congratualtions. Can you share his > > > > > > > > > > > > birth details? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to see if using traditional vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, one could > > > > > > > > > > > > predict with > > > > > > > > > > > > > such accuracy. I am sure many vedic astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > have predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > accurately > > > > > > > > > > > > > using vimoshottari dasha and transits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 11066 in KP_sytem astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sanjay Dutt - Example of Dr. Kar's MST > > Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transit saturn is aspecting Dutt's natal moon > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > taurus at 0 degree > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26' by its 10th aspect, and natal jupiter at 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees libra, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord by its third aspect. Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > going to come back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer but it will again come back to 0 degree > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > leo in july 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aspect sensitive degrees in his chart. I > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he will have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > serve some jail time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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