Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Shri Pradeep ji Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read unsubstantiated notes for years? When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore his other statements. At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and later on it was purely twisted to only one question -i.e. aspects in D chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the sole contention. Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is not the question of discussing secret information or public information - but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes him also. People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this same forum. People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the glare that obscures. ************************************************ > > vijayadas_pradeep > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > Proof of Pudding > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > anything. > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > given - it does not prove anything. > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered -it > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > Regds > Pradeep __________ ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Namaste Prafulla It is easy to show oneself as a victim after showing disrespect to Scriptures, Astrology Teachers, Group members and people in general by twisting meaning of their words, by doubting their intent, by creating imagined groupism, by choosing not to answer most of the queries, etc... the list is long and endless. I wonder who the victim is. Btw, I know a person in Delhi who does that and he turned out to be a narcissist. He plays victim when opposition is strong but manipulates everything to have his own way. Not to suggest that our member here is like that - but, I am keeping my fingers crossed. I wonder why such a person is being asked to present a " white " paper, when everything is so dark about it. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/30/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You > proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted > - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. > > During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not > yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence > of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an > article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other > contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was > repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. > > In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not > instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he > himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of > presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read > unsubstantiated notes for years? > > When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga > chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to > his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore > his other statements. > > At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and > later on it was purely twisted to only one question -i.e. aspects in D > chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the > sole contention. > > Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you > claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in > sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not > start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do > not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical > issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is > not the question of discussing secret information or public information - > but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. > Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had > opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point > in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the > " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal > meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even > selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - > Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing > " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes > him also. > > People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition > through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one > is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for > forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of > learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names > quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. > > Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if > you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are > you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they > misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this > same forum. > > People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any > theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive > exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to > predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the > glare that obscures. > > ************************************************ > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40> > > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > <%40> > > Proof of Pudding > > > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > > anything. > > > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > > given - it does not prove anything. > > > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered -it > > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > ________ > ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Bharat ji Yes - you have raised a very valid point. Now I also feel, that when in three years - a jyotish scholar is not not ready to demonstrate his theory through the chart challenges - then what is the utility of such " white paper " . In internet world - there is a famous joke- " I would like to hear more of a theoretical discussion and opinions..But if Google made their background black not white, it would save 750 Megawatt-hours per year. " Sir - eventual victim is the time and space of forum. Through such theoretical debates, jyotish students land no where..as people say - " Ours is the age of substitutes: instead of language, we have jargon: instead of principles, slogans: and, instead of genuine ideas, bright ideas. " regards / Prafulla , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Prafulla > > It is easy to show oneself as a victim after showing disrespect to > Scriptures, Astrology Teachers, Group members and people in general by > twisting meaning of their words, by doubting their intent, by creating > imagined groupism, by choosing not to answer most of the queries, etc... the > list is long and endless. I wonder who the victim is. > > Btw, I know a person in Delhi who does that and he turned out to be a > narcissist. He plays victim when opposition is strong but manipulates > everything to have his own way. Not to suggest that our member here is like > that - but, I am keeping my fingers crossed. > > I wonder why such a person is being asked to present a " white " paper, when > everything is so dark about it. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > On 7/30/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > > > Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You > > proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted > > - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. > > > > During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not > > yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence > > of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an > > article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other > > contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was > > repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. > > > > In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not > > instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he > > himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of > > presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read > > unsubstantiated notes for years? > > > > When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga > > chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to > > his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore > > his other statements. > > > > At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and > > later on it was purely twisted to only one question -i.e. aspects in D > > chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the > > sole contention. > > > > Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you > > claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in > > sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not > > start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do > > not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical > > issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is > > not the question of discussing secret information or public information - > > but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. > > Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had > > opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point > > in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the > > " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal > > meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even > > selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - > > Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing > > " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes > > him also. > > > > People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition > > through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one > > is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for > > forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of > > learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names > > quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. > > > > Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if > > you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are > > you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they > > misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this > > same forum. > > > > People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any > > theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive > > exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to > > predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the > > glare that obscures. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40> > > > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > > <%40> > > > Proof of Pudding > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > > > > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > > > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > > > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > > > > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > > > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > > > anything. > > > > > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > > > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > > > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > > > > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > > > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > > > given - it does not prove anything. > > > > > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered -it > > > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > > > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > ________ > > ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji I have been facing this tactic since long.Making Vargas my theory!!! Vargas were defined by Mahamunis.Thus new theory proposers are the ones who deviate. Regarding K.N.Raoji you read my quotation again.If you cannot understand,i cannot help. You can tell whatever you want -misquote,my theory etc.If you think you are right,carry on. Regds Pradeep , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. > > During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. > > In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read unsubstantiated notes for years? > > When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore his other statements. > > At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and later on it was purely twisted to only one question - i.e. aspects in D chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the sole contention. > > Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is not the question of discussing secret information or public information - but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes him also. > > People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. > > Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this same forum. > > People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the glare that obscures. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > > > Proof of Pudding > > > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > > anything. > > > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > > given - it does not prove anything. > > > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered - it > > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > __________ > ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Namaste friends If it was politics,some of us would have had good future.Trying to bring down the individual well before he embarks into something. But unfortunately this is jyotish.If i am right,my views will prevail,else yours.Why these games? No worries. Regds Pradeep , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Prafulla > > It is easy to show oneself as a victim after showing disrespect to > Scriptures, Astrology Teachers, Group members and people in general by > twisting meaning of their words, by doubting their intent, by creating > imagined groupism, by choosing not to answer most of the queries, etc... the > list is long and endless. I wonder who the victim is. > > Btw, I know a person in Delhi who does that and he turned out to be a > narcissist. He plays victim when opposition is strong but manipulates > everything to have his own way. Not to suggest that our member here is like > that - but, I am keeping my fingers crossed. > > I wonder why such a person is being asked to present a " white " paper, when > everything is so dark about it. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > On 7/30/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > > > Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You > > proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted > > - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. > > > > During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not > > yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence > > of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an > > article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other > > contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was > > repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. > > > > In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not > > instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he > > himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of > > presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read > > unsubstantiated notes for years? > > > > When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga > > chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to > > his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore > > his other statements. > > > > At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and > > later on it was purely twisted to only one question -i.e. aspects in D > > chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the > > sole contention. > > > > Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you > > claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in > > sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not > > start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do > > not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical > > issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is > > not the question of discussing secret information or public information - > > but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. > > Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had > > opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point > > in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the > > " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal > > meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even > > selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - > > Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing > > " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes > > him also. > > > > People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition > > through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one > > is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for > > forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of > > learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names > > quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. > > > > Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if > > you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are > > you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they > > misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this > > same forum. > > > > People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any > > theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive > > exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to > > predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the > > glare that obscures. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40> > > > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > > <% 40> > > > Proof of Pudding > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > > > > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > > > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > > > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > > > > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > > > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > > > anything. > > > > > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > > > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > > > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > > > > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > > > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > > > given - it does not prove anything. > > > > > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered -it > > > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > > > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > ________ > > ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 OM Datta Guru Dear Prafulla, 1) I understand ur view point as i have been through the same earlier twice after which i refracted from such discussions here. Lists can be so ridiculous person will say something and within 2 days change it without any shame. This is the reason i feel honest astrology is not present today. My Guru C.S.Patel always tells me not to tell lies, he says its very bad karma for an astrologer. I have tried to avoid that but unfortunately one has to lie so much in profession and personal life but in jyotish i try to avoid lies though i must be honest am not that great at it. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes him also. 2) U wrote the above, but i wonder how many true students of KNR are present in this list, but i pray some of them wake up in their own way. The worst part is if i was that member i would have just withdrawn out of the lists, but i guess Ego is not so easy to control especially Jyotish Ego as always there has been this big fight between so called Scholars & Applicators of Methods. When we are young n immature we go to scholars for readings but when we have seen their medicine we learn and go to Applicators of Methods. 3) People say that todays politics are being used, I wish politics and tactics were used then so much of discussions would not have happened, but do they forget the past when they used politics and tactics, now NATURE is playing its own politics and tactics if we want to call it that and how does it feel to drink ones own medicines. Honestly speaking we must wish each member well in their theories and encourage them provided they do not try to be One Man Ship and ridicule others by saying that what they are saying is 'ONLY What the Sage Said' or 'This is what is Basics of astrology'. I am sorry for delay on feedback of ur chart posting reply, i am not being rude but truly been busy. My humble apologies. best wishes Sunil John Mumbai P.S: In South I presume Rahu Kalam is used and infact right now Rahu kalam is on as i write, would u know if in BPHS or Brihat Jataka if Rahu Kalam is mentioned, wanted to study further on it. I ask those two classics only since many in astrology consider that as the start and end of astrology but i am open to any 'Classics' , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > Sometime, I fail to understand as to what you are intending to prove? You proposed theory - not us !!, you twist the thread - not us!! , you misquoted - not us!! You did not answer questions posted on charts ? and so on. > > During the thread, you come up with funny contentions that - you are not yet ready with the theory? Then you change the whole argument from existence of varga chakra to aspects in varga chakra. Then you selectively bring in an article - who questioned Aspects in varga - but you kept quiet on his other contents, where he believed in varga chakra and combinations. Same was repeated for Late Shri Santhanam. > > In jyotish, an astrologer must not talk of any theory - if he can not instantly apply on the charts presented during the discussions. If he himself is unable to explain through charts, then what is the use of presenting such theories. Are forum memebers sitting idle to read unsubstantiated notes for years? > > When Shri Chandrasekhar ji explicitly explained the validity of varga chakra, combinations and aspects (even selectively) - you twisted back to his personal opinion. You accept one sages's comment but selectively ignore his other statements. > > At each stage - the whole thread is tormented and selectively answered and later on it was purely twisted to only one question -i.e. aspects in D chakra. Read all your mails and make a honest statement, if that was the sole contention. > > Now also coming to KN Rao's opinion - you chosen to ignore. Sir - if you claim to have discussion with him on varga chakra, then what is wrong in sharing that. If that is so - then do not even quote that or even do not start the thread, which can not be answered transparently. Now you say - do not press for that? Why not press for that - if any specific technical issues is pending on the thread and you have discussed that with him. it is not the question of discussing secret information or public information - but of the forum time and space - taken by your thread in past few weeks. Sir I would have appreciated your statement on KN rao - if you had opportunity to discuss or not? and if Yes - what was his opinion. No point in making circular statements. But it is intriguing that - if one the " basics " of Shri KN Rao, which you find " wrong " and in your personal meetings - you did not have opportunity? so why quote him on the list - even selectively. What type of jyotish explorations are taking place? I think - Shri KN rao students must submit your statements of - people not knowing " basics " to him personally, when opportunity arises - as this list includes him also. > > People have been listening to all these propogation without exhibition through a single chart. and You say - you are not ready as yet. if this one is the honest statement - then, why waste time of people and try for forceful conversion. if people do not listen, you raise the question of learning basics. I asked a simple question - did all those great names quoted lacked their knwoledge on basics? But you again skipped to answer. > > Now you say that - people with wrong theories can also prove !! Sir - if you are very sure of the wrong theories of many great astrologers - why are you not opting to answer my simple one question in YES or NO that - did they misled the house? and why are you not taking predictive challenge on this same forum. > > People who can not demonstrate through predictions, must not propogate any theories. They are expecting people to listen, without a single predictive exhibition - and that too for few years. Oh I forgot - you claimed to predict one chart in 2 years on Gordon. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the glare that obscures. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:55:16 -0000 > > > > Proof of Pudding > > > > Dear Krishna ji and respected members > > > > During all these years of my debate,it has been suggested that > > please go and see in charts,if they work or not.Proof ,Pudding etc > > and waht not.All those proposals were using controversial principles. > > > > Now i have demonstrated using aspects etc which has no > > controvery.Still what is the public opinion - you haven't proved > > anything. > > > > Ok let us say -i agree with you.What is the moral of the story? > > Anyone can prove anything ,even if they use wrong principels.Thus > > this proof,pudding etc cannot objectively say,which was the cause. > > > > For the same reason,one has to see the fundamentals and verify the > > rules.I have been waiting to reach this stage.When my examples are > > given - it does not prove anything. > > > > But when Varga chakras ,with 100's of principles are consuidered -it > > becomes beautiful? Am i fairly treated.Let the astrological > > community decide whether i am given a good pudding or not:-) > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > __________ > ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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