[JG] Late Santhanam + BPHS + Mr.Bose - Kursija ji -Opposition etc 29/7

[Guest guest]

Dear Satya,

 

Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most important

it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the earlier

age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations have lived

in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the weak,

meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in their glare.

neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and resources it an

offer its inhabitants.

 

it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as the earlier

ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come we need

some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

 

I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man who did

many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations or

sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings make will

last for all times to come.

 

Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get knowledge

from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama smarana

itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so without

worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a sports

event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something or other

will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual pursuits and

without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light for long

the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our time,

 

We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on aspects or

bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in Vargas so be

it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing astrology

today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected light. as

he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our syste,s

greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead others to

also do same.

 

Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what he said

is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

> I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

>

> More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> question is that whether we should analyse the

> divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> according to others we should follow classic

> particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> rope. Both are right because our past experience

> blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> benefit of the human being.

> No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> occasion of Guru Poornima.

>

>

> --- astro desk

<astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear SCK,

> >

> > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > as in astronomy else HOW

> > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > like wise excess solar

> > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > like wise the super Nova's

> > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > region only Rohini

> > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > or Super star materials

> > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > does not matter in our

> > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > planets though well

> > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > speed, location and also

> > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > cycle of the zodiac.

> >

> >

> > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > not going to help u

> > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > get some inputs from

> > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > essence see if there is an

> > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > have multiple meanings

> > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > totally over write what was

> > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > corrections as u said and is done

> > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > a part of it not whole of it/

> > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > vice versa, as long as

> > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > helps else like the Vakya

> > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > corrects them as they have

> > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > defensive methods like a

> > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > care to study the source.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija <sckursija%40>>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > of

> > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > with

> > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > has

> > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > astrological rules according to the available

> > data. We

> > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > have

> > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > in

> > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > every

> > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > over

> > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > been

> > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > teaching

> > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > So

> > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > scholars

> > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > Singh,

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > Rao,

> > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > advise to

> > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > Rahu

> > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > things

> > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > not

> > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > and

> > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > thing

> > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> >

> <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > >

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > >

> > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > subtilities -

> > > >

> > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > the

> > > > divisional charts

> > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > aspects in

> > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > to

> > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > Without

> > > > commenting

> > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > at

> > > > that, accepting

> > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > >

> > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > are

> > > > there in those

> > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > (in

> > > > the birth

> > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > lords

> > > > of Thula and

> > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > lordship between

> > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > DO

> > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > time

> > > > of birth.

> > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > that these planets

> > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > be

> > > > in rasi, if

> > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > of

> > > > drikbala function

> > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > that

> > > > the drikbala is

> > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > identity,and

> > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > attributed between

> > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > aspect

> > > > and aspectual

> > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > ''

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

------------------------------

> I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

who did

> many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

or

> sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

make will

> last for all times to come.

------------------------------

 

There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to understand

its basic.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Satya,

>

> Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

important

> it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the

earlier

> age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

have lived

> in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the

weak,

> meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

their glare.

> neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

resources it an

> offer its inhabitants.

>

> it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

the earlier

> ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come

we need

> some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

>

> I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

who did

> many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

or

> sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

make will

> last for all times to come.

>

> Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

knowledge

> from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

smarana

> itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so

without

> worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

sports

> event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something

or other

> will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

pursuits and

> without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light

for long

> the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our

time,

>

> We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

aspects or

> bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

Vargas so be

> it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing

astrology

> today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

light. as

> he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our

syste,s

> greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

others to

> also do same.

>

> Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what

he said

> is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

>

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

>

>

> On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> >

> > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > according to others we should follow classic

> > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > benefit of the human being.

> > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> >

> >

> > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%

40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear SCK,

> > >

> > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > like wise excess solar

> > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > region only Rohini

> > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > or Super star materials

> > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > does not matter in our

> > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > planets though well

> > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > speed, location and also

> > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > >

> > >

> > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > not going to help u

> > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > get some inputs from

> > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > essence see if there is an

> > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > have multiple meanings

> > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > totally over write what was

> > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > vice versa, as long as

> > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > corrects them as they have

> > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > defensive methods like a

> > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > care to study the source.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija <sckursija%40>>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > of

> > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > with

> > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > has

> > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > data. We

> > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > have

> > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > in

> > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > every

> > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > over

> > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > been

> > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > teaching

> > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > So

> > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > scholars

> > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > Singh,

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > Rao,

> > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > advise to

> > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > Rahu

> > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > things

> > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > not

> > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > and

> > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > thing

> > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > >

> > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > >

> > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > subtilities -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > the

> > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > aspects in

> > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > to

> > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > Without

> > > > > commenting

> > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > at

> > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > are

> > > > > there in those

> > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > (in

> > > > > the birth

> > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > lords

> > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > lordship between

> > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > DO

> > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > time

> > > > > of birth.

> > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > that these planets

> > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > be

> > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > of

> > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > that

> > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > identity,and

> > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > attributed between

> > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > aspect

> > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > ''

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tarun ji

 

Well - KP is good or bad; it works or not - can only be seen, if we

interact closely with good KP astrologers. I have a great friend from

90's Shri Vijay Bhai - who is an excellent predictor with KP system(In

my observation - none of the modern internet predictors can match his

skills and maturity in predictive approach). Most members from early

90's jyotish list may be familiar with him.

 

Few also criticized him that he stolen the stellar theory from Meena -

but I fail to understand then - why people do not blame Sage Jaimini

to take few theories from Sage Parashar. In jyotish all these theory

import / export need not be seen in bad light. On the contrary, we

must be happy that - some one explored the stellar realities and

expanded on that to produce a consistent interpretation model. The

best part of the model is that - he proved in classroom on any random

events and taught. It will be interesting astro journey for you /

anyone to hear those experiences from Late Shri Krishna Moorthy's

classroom students.

 

So in my opinion - if you may closely interact with KP astrologers and

(also in dedicated KP forums) - then you may form your own opinion.

Dear Sandy Crowther has dedicated KP forum on MSN. I strongly

recommend you to explore KP on that discussion group. You will be

pleased with its consistent framework of rules.

 

In my humble opinion - All system works in the hand of experts.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> ------------------------------

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

> or

> > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will

> > last for all times to come.

> ------------------------------

>

> There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to understand

> its basic.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

> , " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> >

> > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

> important

> > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the

> earlier

> > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> have lived

> > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the

> weak,

> > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> their glare.

> > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> resources it an

> > offer its inhabitants.

> >

> > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

> the earlier

> > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come

> we need

> > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> >

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

> or

> > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will

> > last for all times to come.

> >

> > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> knowledge

> > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> smarana

> > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so

> without

> > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

> sports

> > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something

> or other

> > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> pursuits and

> > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light

> for long

> > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our

> time,

> >

> > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> aspects or

> > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> Vargas so be

> > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing

> astrology

> > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

> light. as

> > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our

> syste,s

> > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> others to

> > also do same.

> >

> > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what

> he said

> > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > >

> > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > benefit of the human being.

> > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear SCK,

> > > >

> > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > region only Rohini

> > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > or Super star materials

> > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > does not matter in our

> > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > planets though well

> > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > speed, location and also

> > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > not going to help u

> > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > get some inputs from

> > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > totally over write what was

> > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > care to study the source.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > of

> > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > with

> > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > has

> > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > data. We

> > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > have

> > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > in

> > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > every

> > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > over

> > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > been

> > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > teaching

> > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > So

> > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > scholars

> > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > Singh,

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > Rao,

> > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > advise to

> > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > things

> > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > not

> > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > and

> > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > thing

> > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > >

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > subtilities -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > the

> > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > to

> > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > Without

> > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > at

> > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > are

> > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > (in

> > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > lords

> > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > DO

> > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > be

> > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > of

> > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > that

> > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > ''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tarunji,

 

This is a democratic country and a democratic Platform.

Anyone is allowed to say anything.But all systems are good

in hands of able astrologer. That is another matter,that one

gives time to one system, and is able to gain some proficiency

in same and labelled as Traditional-Parashar or Jamini or KP.

But the base is same. Jamini uses the same planets and so does

KP. We cannot talk about any system not being able to give good

results unless we study that system, and then comment.

 

I am a follower of Kp, for instant examination of any period

or problem when native comes for readibngs, but I use all

approaches, and at times, I give readings as per traditional.

I also believe in vargas, though I may not believe that Saturn

is going to give evil results in 9 places (Houses) in transit

from the Moon. There are hundreds of rules, and we may not be

well versant in all, neither in amalgamation of these,

to form a proper judgement, so for me all these systems are

good, with no bias to any one.

 

Let us also not forget that one can lean KP, only after passing

the Traditional systems of prognostications, which is the

base for any specialised system. Traditional system is like

a B'Com Graduate degree,and then one may choose to master any

system like Astakvarga, Amsas- Jamini, KP-Nakshatra. Nadi or

whatever, but all systems work in the respective followers of

each system who are specialised in the same.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> ------------------------------

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

> or

> > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will

> > last for all times to come.

> ------------------------------

>

> There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to understand

> its basic.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

>

>

> , " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> >

> > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

> important

> > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the

> earlier

> > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> have lived

> > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the

> weak,

> > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> their glare.

> > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> resources it an

> > offer its inhabitants.

> >

> > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

> the earlier

> > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come

> we need

> > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> >

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

> or

> > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will

> > last for all times to come.

> >

> > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> knowledge

> > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> smarana

> > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so

> without

> > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

> sports

> > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something

> or other

> > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> pursuits and

> > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light

> for long

> > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our

> time,

> >

> > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> aspects or

> > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> Vargas so be

> > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing

> astrology

> > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

> light. as

> > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our

> syste,s

> > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> others to

> > also do same.

> >

> > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what

> he said

> > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > >

> > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > benefit of the human being.

> > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear SCK,

> > > >

> > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > region only Rohini

> > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > or Super star materials

> > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > does not matter in our

> > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > planets though well

> > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > speed, location and also

> > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > not going to help u

> > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > get some inputs from

> > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > totally over write what was

> > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > care to study the source.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > of

> > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > with

> > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > has

> > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > data. We

> > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > have

> > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > in

> > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > every

> > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > over

> > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > been

> > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > teaching

> > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > So

> > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > scholars

> > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > Singh,

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > Rao,

> > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > advise to

> > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > things

> > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > not

> > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > and

> > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > thing

> > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > >

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > subtilities -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > the

> > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > to

> > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > Without

> > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > at

> > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > are

> > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > (in

> > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > lords

> > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > DO

> > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > be

> > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > of

> > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > that

> > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > ''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

Yes you are absolutely right.

 

KP and Parashari or Jemini. All are finally based on Rashi's no one

can change the effects of Aries or meena, or any sign.

 

All sciences have proved themselves. And finally in this scientific

context life......all believe on Proof.

 

as you are into stock market astrology too ( CNBC channel ) how to

convince people there, they are commercial people and trust on proofs

only, not once but 100's of times we have to give them proof so that

they accept the way. and KP has finally proved it in minutes accuracy

for rise and falls.

 

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarunji,

>

> This is a democratic country and a democratic Platform.

> Anyone is allowed to say anything.But all systems are good

> in hands of able astrologer. That is another matter,that one

> gives time to one system, and is able to gain some proficiency

> in same and labelled as Traditional-Parashar or Jamini or KP.

> But the base is same. Jamini uses the same planets and so does

> KP. We cannot talk about any system not being able to give good

> results unless we study that system, and then comment.

>

> I am a follower of Kp, for instant examination of any period

> or problem when native comes for readibngs, but I use all

> approaches, and at times, I give readings as per traditional.

> I also believe in vargas, though I may not believe that Saturn

> is going to give evil results in 9 places (Houses) in transit

> from the Moon. There are hundreds of rules, and we may not be

> well versant in all, neither in amalgamation of these,

> to form a proper judgement, so for me all these systems are

> good, with no bias to any one.

>

> Let us also not forget that one can lean KP, only after passing

> the Traditional systems of prognostications, which is the

> base for any specialised system. Traditional system is like

> a B'Com Graduate degree,and then one may choose to master any

> system like Astakvarga, Amsas- Jamini, KP-Nakshatra. Nadi or

> whatever, but all systems work in the respective followers of

> each system who are specialised in the same.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> > ------------------------------

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

creations

> > or

> > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will

> > > last for all times to come.

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to

understand

> > its basic.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya,

> > >

> > > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons,

most

> > important

> > > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike

the

> > earlier

> > > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> > have lived

> > > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for

the

> > weak,

> > > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> > their glare.

> > > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> > resources it an

> > > offer its inhabitants.

> > >

> > > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual

as

> > the earlier

> > > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to

come

> > we need

> > > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> > >

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

creations

> > or

> > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will

> > > last for all times to come.

> > >

> > > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> > knowledge

> > > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> > smarana

> > > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do

so

> > without

> > > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or

a

> > sports

> > > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport

something

> > or other

> > > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> > pursuits and

> > > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true

light

> > for long

> > > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on

our

> > time,

> > >

> > > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> > aspects or

> > > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> > Vargas so be

> > > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are

discussing

> > astrology

> > > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his

reflected

> > light. as

> > > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on

our

> > syste,s

> > > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> > others to

> > > also do same.

> > >

> > > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so

what

> > he said

> > > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > > >

> > > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > > benefit of the human being.

> > > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> > 40gmail.com>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear SCK,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > > region only Rohini

> > > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > > or Super star materials

> > > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > > does not matter in our

> > > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > > planets though well

> > > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > > speed, location and also

> > > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > > not going to help u

> > > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > > get some inputs from

> > > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > > totally over write what was

> > > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > > care to study the source.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%

40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > > of

> > > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > > data. We

> > > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > > have

> > > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > > every

> > > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > > over

> > > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > > teaching

> > > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > > scholars

> > > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > > Singh,

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > > Rao,

> > > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > > advise to

> > > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > > things

> > > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > > subtilities -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > > Without

> > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > > lords

> > > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > > DO

> > > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > > ''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla ji,

 

Sir none of the science is bad, even i wont say western astrology as

bad.

 

just proof and predictions are needed....we all are material persons.

and we none can run behind anything blidnly...even we are spiritual

we can get intutive power in ourself which help us to predict.

 

but on mathematical side, one needs to have proof. and the one

sayings for current world.

" " chamatkar ko namaskar hei " "

 

Yes i am already member of Sandy's forum on Msn.

 

But Prafulla ji -do you know Gayatri Devi Vasudev learnt KP from KP

himself..

 

as KP is said to be predictive science.do you know Gayatri Devi

Vasudev learnt KP from KP himself..

 

sir about Jemini and Parashari, even i asked chandrashekar ji

that ...did Parashari Astrology principles had some BUG in it..so

Jemini gave his views , why he didnt followed Parashari Blindly as we

do.

 

this gives us a hint that every Rishi's method is incomplete.

and one planet if properly said, cant be explained in few lines. 100s

of pages are less to explain a planet.

 

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tarun ji

>

> Well - KP is good or bad; it works or not - can only be seen, if we

> interact closely with good KP astrologers. I have a great friend

from

> 90's Shri Vijay Bhai - who is an excellent predictor with KP system

(In

> my observation - none of the modern internet predictors can match

his

> skills and maturity in predictive approach). Most members from early

> 90's jyotish list may be familiar with him.

>

> Few also criticized him that he stolen the stellar theory from

Meena -

> but I fail to understand then - why people do not blame Sage

Jaimini

> to take few theories from Sage Parashar. In jyotish all these theory

> import / export need not be seen in bad light. On the contrary, we

> must be happy that - some one explored the stellar realities and

> expanded on that to produce a consistent interpretation model. The

> best part of the model is that - he proved in classroom on any

random

> events and taught. It will be interesting astro journey for you /

> anyone to hear those experiences from Late Shri Krishna Moorthy's

> classroom students.

>

> So in my opinion - if you may closely interact with KP astrologers

and

> (also in dedicated KP forums) - then you may form your own opinion.

> Dear Sandy Crowther has dedicated KP forum on MSN. I strongly

> recommend you to explore KP on that discussion group. You will be

> pleased with its consistent framework of rules.

>

> In my humble opinion - All system works in the hand of experts.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> > ------------------------------

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

creations

> > or

> > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will

> > > last for all times to come.

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to

understand

> > its basic.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya,

> > >

> > > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons,

most

> > important

> > > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike

the

> > earlier

> > > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> > have lived

> > > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for

the

> > weak,

> > > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> > their glare.

> > > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> > resources it an

> > > offer its inhabitants.

> > >

> > > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual

as

> > the earlier

> > > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to

come

> > we need

> > > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> > >

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

creations

> > or

> > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will

> > > last for all times to come.

> > >

> > > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> > knowledge

> > > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> > smarana

> > > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do

so

> > without

> > > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or

a

> > sports

> > > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport

something

> > or other

> > > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> > pursuits and

> > > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true

light

> > for long

> > > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on

our

> > time,

> > >

> > > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> > aspects or

> > > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> > Vargas so be

> > > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are

discussing

> > astrology

> > > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his

reflected

> > light. as

> > > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on

our

> > syste,s

> > > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> > others to

> > > also do same.

> > >

> > > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so

what

> > he said

> > > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > > >

> > > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > > benefit of the human being.

> > > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> > 40gmail.com>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear SCK,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > > region only Rohini

> > > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > > or Super star materials

> > > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > > does not matter in our

> > > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > > planets though well

> > > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > > speed, location and also

> > > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > > not going to help u

> > > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > > get some inputs from

> > > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > > totally over write what was

> > > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > > care to study the source.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%

40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > > of

> > > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > > data. We

> > > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > > have

> > > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > > every

> > > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > > over

> > > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > > teaching

> > > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > > scholars

> > > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > > Singh,

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > > Rao,

> > > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > > advise to

> > > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > > things

> > > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > > subtilities -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > > Without

> > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > > lords

> > > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > > DO

> > > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > > ''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tarunji,

 

I have already presented my Interpretation Model,

in KP Method, for individual stock picking, in the

KP Forums, where the Masters of the forums have accepted

the same, and there is no reason not to, for I have hundreds

of charts of real people, real purchases made

and real profits earnt, along with real phone numbers of these

various stock market clients, who are primarily

into Stock market, and do crores of turnover daily, and

would not accept just any guess work for stock suggestions.

 

I have stopped writing,off late in KP Forum, and one may

search within 2 months messages, and would find the interpretation

model, if one wishes to use for himself. I would not have revealed

it, but I do not believe in selfishness, Knowledge

shared is knowledge gained, is what I believe in,

and I have received numerous calls from KP astrologers

who now respect me more for my nature of free exchange of

information sharing. A person who shares predictive knowledge

would be able to receive back more predictive knoweldge from

the nature or law of Prakriti.

 

Thus KP does work, but it depends on which astrologer

one meets, and the astrologer is good in what type of prediction

(Subject), and also on the current time of the Querist, and

how much the Querist can pay back in cash or kind, in return for the

services given,and whether both are blessed by Almighty to transact-

give and take- advise and receive advise.

 

At times KP has been so wonderful that the day of the event can be

foretold in advance in certain cases, but to repeat this everytime

depends on the astrologers mood, spiritual power, Hora running,

a good receipient coming back for advise, and also on the purity

on both sides at time of judgment. Purity is of many kinds including

physical., and also depends on the period after sunrise, before

sunset, and at midnight, and individual purity. Now if a astrologer

cannot repeat his spectacular predictions 7 out of 10 times, does not

mean that KP is a bad system, it may be well said, that the astrologer

is not in a proper frame of mind to predict due to other overbearing

factors on his mind, or the querist is not worthy of receiving proper

advise due to number of factors again.

 

I would appreciate that critics,instead of blaming other systems,

should try to perfect their own approach of whatever system they

follow. One should not throw stones at other houses when one is

himself living in glass house.

 

I appreciate your perception levels, wiseness of looking

at matters, the broad outlook and practical astrological

knowledge you are after, and into.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Yes you are absolutely right.

>

> KP and Parashari or Jemini. All are finally based on Rashi's no one

> can change the effects of Aries or meena, or any sign.

>

> All sciences have proved themselves. And finally in this scientific

> context life......all believe on Proof.

>

> as you are into stock market astrology too ( CNBC channel ) how to

> convince people there, they are commercial people and trust on proofs

> only, not once but 100's of times we have to give them proof so that

> they accept the way. and KP has finally proved it in minutes accuracy

> for rise and falls.

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarunji,

> >

> > This is a democratic country and a democratic Platform.

> > Anyone is allowed to say anything.But all systems are good

> > in hands of able astrologer. That is another matter,that one

> > gives time to one system, and is able to gain some proficiency

> > in same and labelled as Traditional-Parashar or Jamini or KP.

> > But the base is same. Jamini uses the same planets and so does

> > KP. We cannot talk about any system not being able to give good

> > results unless we study that system, and then comment.

> >

> > I am a follower of Kp, for instant examination of any period

> > or problem when native comes for readibngs, but I use all

> > approaches, and at times, I give readings as per traditional.

> > I also believe in vargas, though I may not believe that Saturn

> > is going to give evil results in 9 places (Houses) in transit

> > from the Moon. There are hundreds of rules, and we may not be

> > well versant in all, neither in amalgamation of these,

> > to form a proper judgement, so for me all these systems are

> > good, with no bias to any one.

> >

> > Let us also not forget that one can lean KP, only after passing

> > the Traditional systems of prognostications, which is the

> > base for any specialised system. Traditional system is like

> > a B'Com Graduate degree,and then one may choose to master any

> > system like Astakvarga, Amsas- Jamini, KP-Nakshatra. Nadi or

> > whatever, but all systems work in the respective followers of

> > each system who are specialised in the same.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> > > ------------------------------

> > > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

> man

> > > who did

> > > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

> creations

> > > or

> > > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

> beings

> > > make will

> > > > last for all times to come.

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to

> understand

> > > its basic.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satya,

> > > >

> > > > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons,

> most

> > > important

> > > > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike

> the

> > > earlier

> > > > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> > > have lived

> > > > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for

> the

> > > weak,

> > > > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> > > their glare.

> > > > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> > > resources it an

> > > > offer its inhabitants.

> > > >

> > > > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual

> as

> > > the earlier

> > > > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to

> come

> > > we need

> > > > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> > > >

> > > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

> man

> > > who did

> > > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

> creations

> > > or

> > > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

> beings

> > > make will

> > > > last for all times to come.

> > > >

> > > > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> > > knowledge

> > > > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> > > smarana

> > > > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do

> so

> > > without

> > > > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or

> a

> > > sports

> > > > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport

> something

> > > or other

> > > > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> > > pursuits and

> > > > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true

> light

> > > for long

> > > > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on

> our

> > > time,

> > > >

> > > > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> > > aspects or

> > > > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> > > Vargas so be

> > > > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are

> discussing

> > > astrology

> > > > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his

> reflected

> > > light. as

> > > > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on

> our

> > > syste,s

> > > > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> > > others to

> > > > also do same.

> > > >

> > > > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so

> what

> > > he said

> > > > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > > > >

> > > > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > > > benefit of the human being.

> > > > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> > > 40gmail.com>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear SCK,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > > > region only Rohini

> > > > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > > > or Super star materials

> > > > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > > > does not matter in our

> > > > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > > > planets though well

> > > > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > > > speed, location and also

> > > > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > > > not going to help u

> > > > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > > > get some inputs from

> > > > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > > > totally over write what was

> > > > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > > > care to study the source.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%

> 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > > > data. We

> > > > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > > > teaching

> > > > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > > > scholars

> > > > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > > > Singh,

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > > > Rao,

> > > > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > > > advise to

> > > > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > > > subtilities -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > > > Without

> > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > > > DO

> > > > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > > > ''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tarun ji

 

It may also be construed as jyotish being evolving subject. And

perhaps based on different yuga or environment, each sages / authors

modified the interpretation to suit the human perspective.

 

So as mentioned by another honorable member of this forum that - we

can not keep all those old parameters fixed (constant) makes lots of

sense. If you read various classics - there are huge deviation in

methods and interpretations. Perhaps all were right at their age /

yuga. So we must also remain open to its modern application and should

not be dogged in by old quotes. Compared to internet astrologers, I

found traditionalist more progressive in their jyotish and I found

they have modified various karkatva to suit their experience.

 

Yes - even western astrologer will also be able to predict well, if he

is good. Why not?

 

Glad to know that you are member of Sandy's forum. She is a wonderful

person and a very good astrologer. I enjoyed her association on

earlier jyotish list.

 

Yes, GDV is an expert KP astrologer and I am sure she must have found

merit in that some system - before opting to learn that. In my opinion

- we must read all systems with open mind and our interpretation model

must be a good synthesis - of what we could see them working on

consistent basis.

 

Now when talk of stellar theories - We must appreciate that

constellations are links of rashi chart to navamsa / other divisions.

They work as micro lord (compared to macro lordship of rasi). And this

helps us in tracing inner relationship of planets and bhavas at

various layers.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla ji,

>

> Sir none of the science is bad, even i wont say western astrology as

> bad.

>

> just proof and predictions are needed....we all are material persons.

> and we none can run behind anything blidnly...even we are spiritual

> we can get intutive power in ourself which help us to predict.

>

> but on mathematical side, one needs to have proof. and the one

> sayings for current world.

> " " chamatkar ko namaskar hei " "

>

> Yes i am already member of Sandy's forum on Msn.

>

> But Prafulla ji -do you know Gayatri Devi Vasudev learnt KP from KP

> himself..

>

> as KP is said to be predictive science.do you know Gayatri Devi

> Vasudev learnt KP from KP himself..

>

> sir about Jemini and Parashari, even i asked chandrashekar ji

> that ...did Parashari Astrology principles had some BUG in it..so

> Jemini gave his views , why he didnt followed Parashari Blindly as we

> do.

>

> this gives us a hint that every Rishi's method is incomplete.

> and one planet if properly said, cant be explained in few lines. 100s

> of pages are less to explain a planet.

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tarun ji

> >

> > Well - KP is good or bad; it works or not - can only be seen, if we

> > interact closely with good KP astrologers. I have a great friend

> from

> > 90's Shri Vijay Bhai - who is an excellent predictor with KP system

> (In

> > my observation - none of the modern internet predictors can match

> his

> > skills and maturity in predictive approach). Most members from early

> > 90's jyotish list may be familiar with him.

> >

> > Few also criticized him that he stolen the stellar theory from

> Meena -

> > but I fail to understand then - why people do not blame Sage

> Jaimini

> > to take few theories from Sage Parashar. In jyotish all these theory

> > import / export need not be seen in bad light. On the contrary, we

> > must be happy that - some one explored the stellar realities and

> > expanded on that to produce a consistent interpretation model. The

> > best part of the model is that - he proved in classroom on any

> random

> > events and taught. It will be interesting astro journey for you /

> > anyone to hear those experiences from Late Shri Krishna Moorthy's

> > classroom students.

> >

> > So in my opinion - if you may closely interact with KP astrologers

> and

> > (also in dedicated KP forums) - then you may form your own opinion.

> > Dear Sandy Crowther has dedicated KP forum on MSN. I strongly

> > recommend you to explore KP on that discussion group. You will be

> > pleased with its consistent framework of rules.

> >

> > In my humble opinion - All system works in the hand of experts.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> > > ------------------------------

> > > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

> man

> > > who did

> > > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

> creations

> > > or

> > > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

> beings

> > > make will

> > > > last for all times to come.

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to

> understand

> > > its basic.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satya,

> > > >

> > > > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons,

> most

> > > important

> > > > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike

> the

> > > earlier

> > > > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> > > have lived

> > > > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for

> the

> > > weak,

> > > > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> > > their glare.

> > > > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> > > resources it an

> > > > offer its inhabitants.

> > > >

> > > > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual

> as

> > > the earlier

> > > > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to

> come

> > > we need

> > > > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> > > >

> > > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted

> man

> > > who did

> > > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

> creations

> > > or

> > > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

> beings

> > > make will

> > > > last for all times to come.

> > > >

> > > > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> > > knowledge

> > > > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> > > smarana

> > > > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do

> so

> > > without

> > > > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or

> a

> > > sports

> > > > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport

> something

> > > or other

> > > > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> > > pursuits and

> > > > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true

> light

> > > for long

> > > > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on

> our

> > > time,

> > > >

> > > > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> > > aspects or

> > > > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> > > Vargas so be

> > > > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are

> discussing

> > > astrology

> > > > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his

> reflected

> > > light. as

> > > > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on

> our

> > > syste,s

> > > > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> > > others to

> > > > also do same.

> > > >

> > > > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so

> what

> > > he said

> > > > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > > > >

> > > > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > > > benefit of the human being.

> > > > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> > > 40gmail.com>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear SCK,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > > > region only Rohini

> > > > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > > > or Super star materials

> > > > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > > > does not matter in our

> > > > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > > > planets though well

> > > > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > > > speed, location and also

> > > > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > > > not going to help u

> > > > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > > > get some inputs from

> > > > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > > > totally over write what was

> > > > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > > > care to study the source.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%

> 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > > > data. We

> > > > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > > > teaching

> > > > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > > > scholars

> > > > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > > > Singh,

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > > > Rao,

> > > > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > > > advise to

> > > > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > > > subtilities -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > > > Without

> > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > > > DO

> > > > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > > > ''

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Prashant,

 

I think you intended to address this to Sri Kursija. I guess you

mistyped my name.

 

Satya S Kolachina

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Satya,

>

> Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

important

> it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the

earlier

> age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

have lived

> in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the

weak,

> meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

their glare.

> neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

resources it an

> offer its inhabitants.

>

> it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

the earlier

> ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come

we need

> some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

>

> I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

who did

> many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

or

> sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

make will

> last for all times to come.

>

> Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

knowledge

> from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

smarana

> itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so

without

> worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

sports

> event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something

or other

> will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

pursuits and

> without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light

for long

> the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our

time,

>

> We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

aspects or

> bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

Vargas so be

> it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing

astrology

> today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

light. as

> he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our

syste,s

> greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

others to

> also do same.

>

> Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what

he said

> is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

>

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

>

>

> On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> >

> > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > according to others we should follow classic

> > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > benefit of the human being.

> > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> >

> >

> > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%

40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear SCK,

> > >

> > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > like wise excess solar

> > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > region only Rohini

> > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > or Super star materials

> > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > does not matter in our

> > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > planets though well

> > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > speed, location and also

> > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > >

> > >

> > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > not going to help u

> > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > get some inputs from

> > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > essence see if there is an

> > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > have multiple meanings

> > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > totally over write what was

> > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > vice versa, as long as

> > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > corrects them as they have

> > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > defensive methods like a

> > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > care to study the source.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija <sckursija%40>>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > of

> > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > with

> > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > has

> > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > data. We

> > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > have

> > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > in

> > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > every

> > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > over

> > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > been

> > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > teaching

> > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > So

> > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > scholars

> > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > Singh,

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > Rao,

> > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > advise to

> > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > Rahu

> > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > things

> > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > not

> > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > and

> > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > thing

> > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > >

> > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > >

> > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > subtilities -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > the

> > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > aspects in

> > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > to

> > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > Without

> > > > > commenting

> > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > at

> > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > are

> > > > > there in those

> > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > (in

> > > > > the birth

> > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > lords

> > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > lordship between

> > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > DO

> > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > time

> > > > > of birth.

> > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > that these planets

> > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > be

> > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > of

> > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > that

> > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > identity,and

> > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > attributed between

> > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > aspect

> > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > ''

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

" " I would not have revealed

it, but I do not believe in selfishness, Knowledge

shared is knowledge gained, is what I believe in, " "

 

[Tarun]-

Very well said sir.

 

sir there are many people, who quote Guru but guru never say to

criticise other methods, and those who do ....are just fake.

 

 

" " Thus KP does work, but it depends on which astrologer

one meets, and the astrologer is good in what type of prediction

(Subject), and also on the current time of the Querist, and

how much the Querist can pay back in cash or kind, in return for the

services given,and whether both are blessed by Almighty to transact-

give and take- advise and receive advise " " "

 

[Tarun]-Exactly sir, true knowledge is necessary to make predictions

rather than writing long mails which makes one bored to read him.-----

---

 

" " At times KP has been so wonderful that the day of the event can be

foretold in advance in certain cases, but to repeat this everytime

depends on the astrologers mood, spiritual power, Hora running,

a good receipient coming back for advise, and also on the purity

on both sides at time of judgment " "

 

[Tarun]-

 

Sir spritual knowledge is god given ,and very few persons are god's

messenger who can help people to get right advice. and so they are

given with RIGHT knowledge too.

 

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

[Guest guest]

tarun

 

I had explained this once to you on his gifted predictions

 

and there is one typos in my line thanks for showing it to me

 

it is man made not man dame, sorry for the TYPOS members

 

similarly in his H is missing.

pl cee the corrections again in red to show where errors were there.

 

prashant

 

On 7/30/07, Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> -------------------------

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not His system as all man MADE creations

> or

> > systems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will last for all times to come.

> -------------------------

>

> There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to understand

> its basic.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

>

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> >

> > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

> important

> > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike the

> earlier

> > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> have lived

> > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for the

> weak,

> > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> their glare.

> > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> resources it an

> > offer its inhabitants.

> >

> > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

> the earlier

> > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to come

> we need

> > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> >

> > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> who did

> > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame creations

> or

> > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater beings

> make will

> > last for all times to come.

> >

> > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> knowledge

> > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> smarana

> > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do so

> without

> > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

> sports

> > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport something

> or other

> > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> pursuits and

> > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true light

> for long

> > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on our

> time,

> >

> > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> aspects or

> > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> Vargas so be

> > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are discussing

> astrology

> > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

> light. as

> > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on our

> syste,s

> > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> others to

> > also do same.

> >

> > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so what

> he said

> > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > >

> > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > benefit of the human being.

> > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear SCK,

> > > >

> > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > region only Rohini

> > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > or Super star materials

> > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > does not matter in our

> > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > planets though well

> > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > speed, location and also

> > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > not going to help u

> > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > get some inputs from

> > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > totally over write what was

> > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > care to study the source.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija <sckursija%40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > of

> > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > with

> > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > has

> > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > data. We

> > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > have

> > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > in

> > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > every

> > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > over

> > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > been

> > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > teaching

> > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > So

> > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > scholars

> > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > Singh,

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > Rao,

> > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > advise to

> > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > things

> > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > not

> > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > and

> > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > thing

> > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > >

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > subtilities -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > the

> > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > to

> > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > Without

> > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > at

> > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > are

> > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > (in

> > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > lords

> > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > DO

> > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > be

> > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > of

> > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > that

> > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > ''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

No problem sir..its fine with all of us.

Just actually these lines confused me, but clear now :-)

 

Warm Regard,

 

Tarun

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> tarun

>

> I had explained this once to you on his gifted predictions

>

> and there is one typos in my line thanks for showing it to me

>

> it is man made not man dame, sorry for the TYPOS members

>

> similarly in his H is missing.

> pl cee the corrections again in red to show where errors were there.

>

> prashant

>

> On 7/30/07, Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > Can you please tell me , wht the following lines means.

> > -------------------------

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not His system as all man MADE

creations

> > or

> > > systems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will last for all times to come.

> > -------------------------

> >

> > There are just few books for KP as KP Reader books...to understand

> > its basic.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " astro desk "

> >

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya,

> > >

> > > Yes we have to accept we r not prefect for various reasons, most

> > important

> > > it the material plane we r in now, no escape from this unlike

the

> > earlier

> > > age I can't even say generations as we see last few generations

> > have lived

> > > in the material world, society rarely cares now or provides for

the

> > weak,

> > > meak etc neither the Govt some NGO's max if we r lucky to be in

> > their glare.

> > > neither living in forests possible with them dwindling and

> > resources it an

> > > offer its inhabitants.

> > >

> > > it will be a great challange to find some one truly spiritual as

> > the earlier

> > > ages so what they saw is too deep, and good for all times to

come

> > we need

> > > some adjustments or fine tuning to them.

> > >

> > > I can't say much on KP system other than saying he as gifted man

> > who did

> > > many great predictions, but not is system as all man dame

creations

> > or

> > > sytems will have a short shelf life. what nature or greater

beings

> > make will

> > > last for all times to come.

> > >

> > > Good old ages people cud meditate for years or decades and get

> > knowledge

> > > from the direct source-God, but now in Kali Yuga Bhagavad Nama

> > smarana

> > > itself can give one some bliss it is said if we can care to do

so

> > without

> > > worrying about our next meal, a film program or a tv serial or a

> > sports

> > > event or other side no water, power, servant, transport

something

> > or other

> > > will distract our time and we have less time for the spiritual

> > pursuits and

> > > without them such divine subjects will not deliver its true

light

> > for long

> > > the batter needs to be recharged. even with such challenges on

our

> > time,

> > >

> > > We have to best stick to our rishies concepts , guidlines on

> > aspects or

> > > bigger picture in Jyotish if no one except KNR used aspects in

> > Vargas so be

> > > it. BVR never did and yet delivered more and if we are

discussing

> > astrology

> > > today it is BV ramans works alone rest shine under his reflected

> > light. as

> > > he took it to the west and from the west we get more light on

our

> > syste,s

> > > greatness and all of us benifit from his Englsh works that lead

> > others to

> > > also do same.

> > >

> > > Like I already said B V Raman demystified Parashara for us so

what

> > he said

> > > is close to what one must know develop systems around it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/29/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> > > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> > > > not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

> > > >

> > > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> > > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> > > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> > > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> > > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> > > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > > According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> > > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> > > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> > > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> > > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> > > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> > > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> > > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> > > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> > > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> > > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> > > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > > benefit of the human being.

> > > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> > > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> > > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@<astro.prashantkumar%

> > 40gmail.com>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear SCK,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > > > > region only Rohini

> > > > > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > > > > or Super star materials

> > > > > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > > > > does not matter in our

> > > > > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > > > > planets though well

> > > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > > > > speed, location and also

> > > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > > > > not going to help u

> > > > > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > > > > get some inputs from

> > > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > > totally over write what was

> > > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > > > > care to study the source.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@ <sckursija%

40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > > > > of

> > > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > > data. We

> > > > > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > > > > have

> > > > > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > > every

> > > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > > over

> > > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > > teaching

> > > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > > scholars

> > > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > > Singh,

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > > Rao,

> > > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > > advise to

> > > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > > > > things

> > > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > > subtilities -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > > Without

> > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > > lords

> > > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > > > > DO

> > > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > > > > ''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >