Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, Make it short and sweet. How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. How should one search for this short and sweet in the charts one encounters. The way to determine when this short and sweet is available in the natives life- the period-translated into at least 6 months period-if not less. These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language as projected by You both. How to use these big talks in making small predictions ? Either speak the real facts and truth, or else bow out and close this thread for good. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and what is wrong may not be tenable. However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is the part i agree with. I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be benefited by them. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > Make it short and sweet. > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > charts one encounters. > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > available in the natives life- the period-translated > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > as projected by You both. How to use these big > talks in making small predictions ? > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji, just a small question i had in my mind from many days. tht what was need in Jemini's mind, so that he made his own principles instead of following parashara blindly. Regards, Tarun , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and what is > wrong may not be tenable. > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > the part i agree with. > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > benefited by them. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > charts one encounters. > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, I have nowhere mentioned that commentaries are not based on Sanskrit shlokas. Pl do not take my mail as personal or at face value. We definitely know that All astrological treatises are based on Sanskrit. That is not my point of contention. The point is this, that are we to proceed forwards, or backwards ? In this short life of 60-70 years, if I spend my time in reading,learning and interpreting shlokas, on which few have already worked upon, then when will I learn making predictions ? From you people, who are wise, we expect,that you teach us the application of what you have learnt through such discussions, rather than discussing continuously on and on. I do agree that you are certainly reaching somewhere,and have reached so many times before, in this thread too, which has not gone unnoticed by me. But frankly speaking these are all small pleasures of winning small battles, or being able to prove ones point, and only this and nothing else has been happening till now. Dont you agree ? How do we know that what we are discussing is not right or not wrong ? ---- Unless it has been applied on a chart ? Unless predictions are made what is the use for the discussion ? I have given yet, a big space to you participants. To predict events within 6 months given period. Is that asking for much when great Wise men like you are on the Board ? It is your prerogative to continue as you like. in theory or practice, in predictive application or as message content, but I have not learnt at all from this thread , maybe my inability to understand these great subjects you people are into. I believe when one has reached the shores,like you people have, apparently, then why take us readers to the boat making process. Please make us sit on the boat and leave us ashore, or teach us to cross the river. When I feel hungry ,I would buy a Rs.2- Chana sing dana and eat it, but not spend time on trying to understand the process of germination of this sing dana-chana, when to put seeds, how much watering to be done, how many months to harvest etc.etc. But all the same, I do not wish to argue with you, but looking for help to learn more....... On astrology....... regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and what is > wrong may not be tenable. > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > the part i agree with. > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > benefited by them. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > charts one encounters. > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Tarun, Jaimini does not say whether he was following Parashara or not. It is assumed that he did. I think he was only instructing his pupils in his understanding of the Jyotish principles given by the sages. Again it is thought that he wrote 8 adhyaayas of which only four are available and of which some opine that the order of shlokas in the last two, may not be correct. So there could be more to Jaimini than is known to date. Chandrashekhar. Tarun wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, > > just a small question i had in my mind from many days. > tht what was need in Jemini's mind, so that he made his own > principles instead of following parashara blindly. > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators > had > > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation > can > > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that > jyotish > > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in > modern > > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's > life > > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and > what is > > wrong may not be tenable. > > > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the > thread is > > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is > overstretched is > > the part i agree with. > > > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through > what is > > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I > was > > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do > not > > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you > have > > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can > be > > benefited by them. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > > charts one encounters. > > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, I am glad you accept that the science is based on Sanskrit texts. The reason for discussing the possible variation of interpretation of shlokas is to find exactly how to apply them to real life horoscope. So the discussion on meaning of shlokas is bound to come up on an astrologer's forum. It is also well to remember that most of the commentaries on the original texts were also in Sanskrit. Again it is to be understood that even in regional language commentaries sometimes a totally wrong interpretation of shloka can lead to wrong interpretation of a shloka. This is so because of the very brevity of Sanskrit language and the way it is written. I remember one commentator translating " Bhumipatan " in reference to time of birth of a child as a child falling on the ground, whereas the bhumi patan referred to one coming from nakshatra loka to prithvi loka. So you can understand that it may sometime be necessary to analyze exactly what is meant by a shloka. it is precisely to understand how to apply the principles to real life charts. If some specific question comes up about how to apply a principle I am sure answers to that will also be forthcoming. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > I have nowhere mentioned that commentaries are not > based on Sanskrit shlokas. > > Pl do not take my mail as personal or at face value. > We definitely know that All astrological treatises are > based on Sanskrit. That is not my point of contention. > The point is this, that are we to proceed forwards, or > backwards ? In this short life of 60-70 years, if > I spend my time in reading,learning and interpreting > shlokas, on which few have already worked upon, then > when will I learn making predictions ? > > >From you people, who are wise, we expect,that you > teach us the application of what you have learnt > through such discussions, rather than discussing > continuously on and on. I do agree that you are certainly > reaching somewhere,and have reached so many times before, > in this thread too, which has not gone unnoticed by me. > But frankly speaking these are all small pleasures of winning > small battles, or being able to prove ones point, > and only this and nothing else has been happening till now. > Dont you agree ? > > How do we know that what we are discussing is not right > or not wrong ? ---- Unless it has been applied on a chart ? > Unless predictions are made what is the use for the discussion ? > I have given yet, a big space to you participants. > To predict events within 6 months given period. Is that asking > for much when great Wise men like you are on the Board ? > > It is your prerogative to continue as you like. in theory > or practice, in predictive application or as message content, > but I have not learnt at all from this thread , maybe my inability > to understand these great subjects you people are into. > > I believe when one has reached the shores,like you people have, > apparently, then why take us readers to the boat making process. > Please make us sit on the boat and leave us ashore, or teach us to > cross the river. When I feel hungry ,I would buy a Rs.2- Chana sing > dana and eat it, but not spend time on trying to understand the > process of germination of this sing dana-chana, when to put seeds, > how much watering to be done, how many months to harvest etc.etc. > > But all the same, I do not wish to argue with you, > but looking for help to learn more....... > On astrology....... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and > what is > > wrong may not be tenable. > > > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > > the part i agree with. > > > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > > benefited by them. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > > charts one encounters. > > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, I like that confidence, that when the specific questions come up,then the answers too would be forthcoming. By the way I never have , in none of my mails, Not-Accepted Sanskrit texts as the base of Indian vedic astrology. I think any one recently born also knows this as a Indian. You have mistakenly thought that I dont accept this whereas its the opposite.I will stop this thread here from my side. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I am glad you accept that the science is based on Sanskrit texts. The > reason for discussing the possible variation of interpretation of > shlokas is to find exactly how to apply them to real life horoscope. So > the discussion on meaning of shlokas is bound to come up on an > astrologer's forum. > > It is also well to remember that most of the commentaries on the > original texts were also in Sanskrit. Again it is to be understood that > even in regional language commentaries sometimes a totally wrong > interpretation of shloka can lead to wrong interpretation of a shloka. > This is so because of the very brevity of Sanskrit language and the way > it is written. I remember one commentator translating " Bhumipatan " in > reference to time of birth of a child as a child falling on the ground, > whereas the bhumi patan referred to one coming from nakshatra loka to > prithvi loka. So you can understand that it may sometime be necessary to > analyze exactly what is meant by a shloka. it is precisely to understand > how to apply the principles to real life charts. > > If some specific question comes up about how to apply a principle I am > sure answers to that will also be forthcoming. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > I have nowhere mentioned that commentaries are not > > based on Sanskrit shlokas. > > > > Pl do not take my mail as personal or at face value. > > We definitely know that All astrological treatises are > > based on Sanskrit. That is not my point of contention. > > The point is this, that are we to proceed forwards, or > > backwards ? In this short life of 60-70 years, if > > I spend my time in reading,learning and interpreting > > shlokas, on which few have already worked upon, then > > when will I learn making predictions ? > > > > >From you people, who are wise, we expect,that you > > teach us the application of what you have learnt > > through such discussions, rather than discussing > > continuously on and on. I do agree that you are certainly > > reaching somewhere,and have reached so many times before, > > in this thread too, which has not gone unnoticed by me. > > But frankly speaking these are all small pleasures of winning > > small battles, or being able to prove ones point, > > and only this and nothing else has been happening till now. > > Dont you agree ? > > > > How do we know that what we are discussing is not right > > or not wrong ? ---- Unless it has been applied on a chart ? > > Unless predictions are made what is the use for the discussion ? > > I have given yet, a big space to you participants. > > To predict events within 6 months given period. Is that asking > > for much when great Wise men like you are on the Board ? > > > > It is your prerogative to continue as you like. in theory > > or practice, in predictive application or as message content, > > but I have not learnt at all from this thread , maybe my inability > > to understand these great subjects you people are into. > > > > I believe when one has reached the shores,like you people have, > > apparently, then why take us readers to the boat making process. > > Please make us sit on the boat and leave us ashore, or teach us to > > cross the river. When I feel hungry ,I would buy a Rs.2- Chana sing > > dana and eat it, but not spend time on trying to understand the > > process of germination of this sing dana-chana, when to put seeds, > > how much watering to be done, how many months to harvest etc.etc. > > > > But all the same, I do not wish to argue with you, > > but looking for help to learn more....... > > On astrology....... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > > > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > > > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > > > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > > > > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > > > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > > > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > > > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > > > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and > > what is > > > wrong may not be tenable. > > > > > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > > > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > > > the part i agree with. > > > > > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > > > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > > > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > > > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > > > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > > > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > > > benefited by them. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > > > charts one encounters. > > > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Chandrashekar Yes all major works in jyothishya, ayurvedha etc are in sanskrit and all good knowledge source too and commentries too were written in it ad vernacular streasm with sanskrit still in major part with vernacular meanings later English and SURE NO VERNACULAR one is original enough 7than sanskrit ones, I don't count the modern material world born native's works in vernacular or english on par to any such ones either. best wishes On 7/29/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and what is > wrong may not be tenable. > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > the part i agree with. > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > benefited by them. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > charts one encounters. > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Chandrashekhar ji has given his views. I do not have a different opinion regarding short n sweet. For a doctor to diagonise,personally i feel(my view) it is better he knows anatomy and physiology in dept apart from intution. Thus whenever in doubt,we have to study the basics.This debate is about whether rules from sages can make aspects possible or not.For this i need shlokas as they are the evry pramanas.What you are talking is the next stage and we will come to it.This is my view and for your next mails too there is nothing more to add from my part. Regds Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I am glad you accept that the science is based on Sanskrit texts. The > reason for discussing the possible variation of interpretation of > shlokas is to find exactly how to apply them to real life horoscope. So > the discussion on meaning of shlokas is bound to come up on an > astrologer's forum. > > It is also well to remember that most of the commentaries on the > original texts were also in Sanskrit. Again it is to be understood that > even in regional language commentaries sometimes a totally wrong > interpretation of shloka can lead to wrong interpretation of a shloka. > This is so because of the very brevity of Sanskrit language and the way > it is written. I remember one commentator translating " Bhumipatan " in > reference to time of birth of a child as a child falling on the ground, > whereas the bhumi patan referred to one coming from nakshatra loka to > prithvi loka. So you can understand that it may sometime be necessary to > analyze exactly what is meant by a shloka. it is precisely to understand > how to apply the principles to real life charts. > > If some specific question comes up about how to apply a principle I am > sure answers to that will also be forthcoming. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > I have nowhere mentioned that commentaries are not > > based on Sanskrit shlokas. > > > > Pl do not take my mail as personal or at face value. > > We definitely know that All astrological treatises are > > based on Sanskrit. That is not my point of contention. > > The point is this, that are we to proceed forwards, or > > backwards ? In this short life of 60-70 years, if > > I spend my time in reading,learning and interpreting > > shlokas, on which few have already worked upon, then > > when will I learn making predictions ? > > > > >From you people, who are wise, we expect,that you > > teach us the application of what you have learnt > > through such discussions, rather than discussing > > continuously on and on. I do agree that you are certainly > > reaching somewhere,and have reached so many times before, > > in this thread too, which has not gone unnoticed by me. > > But frankly speaking these are all small pleasures of winning > > small battles, or being able to prove ones point, > > and only this and nothing else has been happening till now. > > Dont you agree ? > > > > How do we know that what we are discussing is not right > > or not wrong ? ---- Unless it has been applied on a chart ? > > Unless predictions are made what is the use for the discussion ? > > I have given yet, a big space to you participants. > > To predict events within 6 months given period. Is that asking > > for much when great Wise men like you are on the Board ? > > > > It is your prerogative to continue as you like. in theory > > or practice, in predictive application or as message content, > > but I have not learnt at all from this thread , maybe my inability > > to understand these great subjects you people are into. > > > > I believe when one has reached the shores,like you people have, > > apparently, then why take us readers to the boat making process. > > Please make us sit on the boat and leave us ashore, or teach us to > > cross the river. When I feel hungry ,I would buy a Rs.2- Chana sing > > dana and eat it, but not spend time on trying to understand the > > process of germination of this sing dana-chana, when to put seeds, > > how much watering to be done, how many months to harvest etc.etc. > > > > But all the same, I do not wish to argue with you, > > but looking for help to learn more....... > > On astrology....... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, > > > fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had > > > to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can > > > not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. > > > > > > This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish > > > principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all > > > yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern > > > times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life > > > for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and > > what is > > > wrong may not be tenable. > > > > > > However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is > > > consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is > > > the part i agree with. > > > > > > I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is > > > popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the > > > astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was > > > not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not > > > refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have > > > some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be > > > benefited by them. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Make it short and sweet. > > > > How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. > > > > How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. > > > > How should one search for this short and sweet in the > > > > charts one encounters. > > > > The way to determine when this short and sweet is > > > > available in the natives life- the period-translated > > > > into at least 6 months period-if not less. > > > > > > > > These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, > > > > and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language > > > > as projected by You both. How to use these big > > > > talks in making small predictions ? > > > > > > > > Either speak the real facts and truth, > > > > or else bow out and close this thread for good. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Astro_desk, Thank you for agreeing with my views. Chandrashekhar. astro desk wrote: > --XOlotIUxhm5oB4N6FUxb45AUNUcf4r1tT2vgZbO > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Dear Chandrashekar > > Yes all major works in jyothishya, ayurvedha etc are in sanskrit and all > good knowledge source too and commentries too were written in it ad > vernacular streasm with sanskrit still in major part with vernacular > meanings later English > > and SURE NO VERNACULAR one is original enough 7than sanskrit ones, I don't > count the modern material world born native's works in vernacular or english > on par to any such ones either. > > best wishes > > On 7/29/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > >> Dear Bhaskar, >> >> The entire science is based on what the sages have said and that, >> fortunately or unfortunately is in Sanskrit. Even the commentators had >> to comment on Sanskrit shlokas. So Sanskrit and its interpretation can >> not be kept out of any discussion on concepts of Jyotish. >> >> This list being primarily for astrologers, it is natural that jyotish >> principles and their interpretation will be discussed here. Not all >> yogas that are given in the texts can be literally applied in modern >> times. So your valuable suggestion that prediction of a native's life >> for 6 months will reveal what set of interpretation is right and what is >> wrong may not be tenable. >> >> However, I agree and have actually said many a times that the thread is >> consuming too much of space on the list. So that it is overstretched is >> the part i agree with. >> >> I would like to know of any prediction made by someone through what is >> popularly called as vedic Jyotish without applying any of the >> astrological principles that were originally given in Sanskrit. I was >> not aware of any such original texts in vernacular language that do not >> refer to any of what is already given in Sanskrit texts. If you have >> some such examples please post them so that jyotish fraternity can be >> benefited by them. >> >> Chandrashekhar. >> >> Bhaskar wrote: >> >>> Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, >>> >>> Make it short and sweet. >>> How to eat the short and sweet and not just theory. >>> How to apply this short and sweet and not just talks. >>> How should one search for this short and sweet in the >>> charts one encounters. >>> The way to determine when this short and sweet is >>> available in the natives life- the period-translated >>> into at least 6 months period-if not less. >>> >>> These big talks on shlokas and its interpretations, >>> and the ambiguity of Sanskrit language >>> as projected by You both. How to use these big >>> talks in making small predictions ? >>> >>> Either speak the real facts and truth, >>> or else bow out and close this thread for good. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: >>> >> 7/24/2007 1:50 PM >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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