[JG] Late Santhanam + BPHS + Mr.Bose - Kursija ji -Opposition etc 28/7

[Guest guest]

Dear SCK,

 

yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc as in astronomy else HOW

will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately, like wise excess solar

activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy, like wise the super Nova's

in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial region only Rohini

falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars or Super star materials

too have been given a mention in our works but what does not matter in our

life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine planets though well

described and locatable form Mahabharata times through Veda Vyasa [compiler

of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color, speed, location and also

said it doesn't concern human life as it takes nearly 240 odd years for a

cycle of the zodiac.

 

 

but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is not going to help u

need to blend them and more with the other aspects like Gunas, tatwa,s

rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must get some inputs from

Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its essence see if there is an

answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words have multiple meanings

and test them over a period of time. but we cant totally over write what was

said in past all we can is make necessary corrections as u said and is done

by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is siddhana and jyotishya is

a part of it not whole of it/

a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and vice versa, as long as

one understands the essence of them and work it helps else like the Vakya

panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one corrects them as they have

probably lost the clues to correct them and use defensive methods like a

brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we care to study the source.

 

best wishes

 

On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements of

> planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified with

> the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions has

> been modified. But we have not modifies our

> astrological rules according to the available data. We

> are not in a position to explain that why superior

> planets have been granted three full aspects. We have

> accepted with due respects what has been written in

> our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> clearly say that data should be modified after every

> 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More over

> our astrological books are in sanskrit and has been

> translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> meanings. I have faced this difficulty while teaching

> reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga. So

> we have to refer the experience of our early scholars

> in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand Singh,

> Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha Rao,

> Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not advise to

> accept. Similar is the position for the signs of Rahu

> and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many things

> in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are not

> clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time and

> experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any thing

> against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> Thanks.

>

> --- vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> >

>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected memebers

> >

> > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > like Kursija ji

> > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > ,before the paper to

> > make them understand the astronomical subtilities -

> >

> > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in the

> > divisional charts

> > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > aspects in

> > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED to

> > the LONGITUDINAL

> > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter. Without

> > commenting

> > further on this controversial aspect I leave it at

> > that, accepting

> > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> >

> > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > Thula(Libra) and

> > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they are

> > there in those

> > respective rasis because those planets occupied (in

> > the birth

> > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the lords

> > of Thula and

> > Mesha respectively.''

> >

> >

> > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > lordship between

> > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO DO

> > WITH any ANGULAR

> > relationship between planets existing at the time

> > of birth.

> > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > that these planets

> > are in opposition in the same sense as they will be

> > in rasi, if

> > they are similarly placed.''

> >

> >

> > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation of

> > drikbala function

> > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear that

> > the drikbala is

> > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > identity,and

> > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > attributed between

> > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make aspect

> > and aspectual

> > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts? ''

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

Well said. Proper blending of the science is required. Applying

scientific rules verbatim (means black and white) is good for

scientific study; but not for predictions in Jyothish.

 

The way the guna and tathwa are described make a lot of meaning in

predictions.

 

Satya S Kolachina

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear SCK,

>

> yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc as in astronomy

else HOW

> will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately, like wise

excess solar

> activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy, like wise the

super Nova's

> in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial region only

Rohini

> falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars or Super star

materials

> too have been given a mention in our works but what does not matter

in our

> life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine planets though

well

> described and locatable form Mahabharata times through Veda Vyasa

[compiler

> of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color, speed, location

and also

> said it doesn't concern human life as it takes nearly 240 odd years

for a

> cycle of the zodiac.

>

>

> but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is not going to

help u

> need to blend them and more with the other aspects like Gunas,

tatwa,s

> rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must get some inputs

from

> Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its essence see if there

is an

> answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words have multiple

meanings

> and test them over a period of time. but we cant totally over write

what was

> said in past all we can is make necessary corrections as u said and

is done

> by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is siddhana and

jyotishya is

> a part of it not whole of it/

> a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and vice versa, as

long as

> one understands the essence of them and work it helps else like

the Vakya

> panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one corrects them as

they have

> probably lost the clues to correct them and use defensive methods

like a

> brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we care to study the

source.

>

> best wishes

>

> On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements of

> > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified with

> > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions has

> > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > astrological rules according to the available data. We

> > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > planets have been granted three full aspects. We have

> > accepted with due respects what has been written in

> > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > clearly say that data should be modified after every

> > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More over

> > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has been

> > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while teaching

> > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga. So

> > we have to refer the experience of our early scholars

> > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand Singh,

> > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha Rao,

> > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not advise to

> > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of Rahu

> > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many things

> > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are not

> > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time and

> > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any thing

> > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > Thanks.

> >

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%

40>

> > >

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected memebers

> > >

> > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > like Kursija ji

> > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > ,before the paper to

> > > make them understand the astronomical subtilities -

> > >

> > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in the

> > > divisional charts

> > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > aspects in

> > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED to

> > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter. Without

> > > commenting

> > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it at

> > > that, accepting

> > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > >

> > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they are

> > > there in those

> > > respective rasis because those planets occupied (in

> > > the birth

> > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the lords

> > > of Thula and

> > > Mesha respectively.''

> > >

> > >

> > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > lordship between

> > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO DO

> > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > relationship between planets existing at the time

> > > of birth.

> > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > that these planets

> > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will be

> > > in rasi, if

> > > they are similarly placed.''

> > >

> > >

> > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation of

> > > drikbala function

> > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear that

> > > the drikbala is

> > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > identity,and

> > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > attributed between

> > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make aspect

> > > and aspectual

> > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts? ''

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

 

More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

question is that whether we should analyse the

divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

according to others we should follow classic

particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

rope. Both are right because our past experience

blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

benefit of the human being.

No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

occasion of Guru Poornima.

 

--- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

 

> Dear SCK,

>

> yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> as in astronomy else HOW

> will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> like wise excess solar

> activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> like wise the super Nova's

> in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> region only Rohini

> falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> or Super star materials

> too have been given a mention in our works but what

> does not matter in our

> life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> planets though well

> described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> speed, location and also

> said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> nearly 240 odd years for a

> cycle of the zodiac.

>

>

> but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> not going to help u

> need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> like Gunas, tatwa,s

> rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> get some inputs from

> Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> essence see if there is an

> answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> have multiple meanings

> and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> totally over write what was

> said in past all we can is make necessary

> corrections as u said and is done

> by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> siddhana and jyotishya is

> a part of it not whole of it/

> a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> vice versa, as long as

> one understands the essence of them and work it

> helps else like the Vakya

> panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> corrects them as they have

> probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> defensive methods like a

> brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> care to study the source.

>

> best wishes

>

> On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> of

> > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> with

> > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> has

> > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > astrological rules according to the available

> data. We

> > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> have

> > accepted with due respects what has been written

> in

> > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > clearly say that data should be modified after

> every

> > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> over

> > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> been

> > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> teaching

> > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> So

> > we have to refer the experience of our early

> scholars

> > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> Singh,

> > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> Rao,

> > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> advise to

> > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> Rahu

> > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> things

> > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> not

> > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> and

> > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> thing

> > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > Thanks.

> >

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep

>

<vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > >

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected memebers

> > >

> > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > like Kursija ji

> > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > ,before the paper to

> > > make them understand the astronomical

> subtilities -

> > >

> > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> the

> > > divisional charts

> > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > aspects in

> > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> to

> > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> Without

> > > commenting

> > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> at

> > > that, accepting

> > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > >

> > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> are

> > > there in those

> > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> (in

> > > the birth

> > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> lords

> > > of Thula and

> > > Mesha respectively.''

> > >

> > >

> > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > lordship between

> > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> DO

> > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > relationship between planets existing at the

> time

> > > of birth.

> > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > that these planets

> > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> be

> > > in rasi, if

> > > they are similarly placed.''

> > >

> > >

> > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> of

> > > drikbala function

> > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> that

> > > the drikbala is

> > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > identity,and

> > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > attributed between

> > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> aspect

> > > and aspectual

> > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> ''

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kursija ji,

 

What i think is that,

neither astrology is wrong , neither astrnomy is wrong.

 

the probleem exist is that , astronomers donot believe in astrology,

whereas astrologers want astronomy to decode jyotish.

 

The day people or some persons who can make astronomy and astrology

is mixed, the hidden secrets in astrology can be answered.

 

there are many things like aspects, refraction of rays, refractive

index.. mutual attaction in planets, repulsion between the plantry

gravitational force..etc..etc.

 

just one person is needed who is astronomer and have astrology's pure

knowledge....he only can make a link in between.

 

Answers about rashi and its effect on human, are related to Aura

science etc. i.e. colours.

 

But this is for sure, we have to connect various sciences to decode

principle of astrology.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

> I have clearly said that astrology is bases on Siddant

> as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which does

> not go agaist the basic principles of the Siddant.

>

> More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect. The

> question is that whether we should analyse the

> divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets as

> in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should not as

> divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> others eminent writers of astrology we find they have

> not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> should do? My answer will be that wait and see who is

> correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> According to some eminent astrologers, the divisional

> charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> according to others we should follow classic

> particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of seven

> or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign of

> exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi chart

> or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> vargas.Does all are not giving correct predictions?

> All are right.I bow before them as they are in search

> of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not perfect.

> We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got the

> leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that she is

> rope. Both are right because our past experience

> blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but the

> part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> forms. All form are true. When he feels, he absorbs

> his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> benefit of the human being.

> No one is wrong or right till he is searching for the

> truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the path

> what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> occasion of Guru Poornima.

>

> --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> > Dear SCK,

> >

> > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb etc

> > as in astronomy else HOW

> > will they be able to predict Eclipses so accurately,

> > like wise excess solar

> > activity or solar flares as we call in astronomy,

> > like wise the super Nova's

> > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the Equatorial

> > region only Rohini

> > falls under it [has reference to such names] Quasars

> > or Super star materials

> > too have been given a mention in our works but what

> > does not matter in our

> > life time are not considered esp the trans saturnine

> > planets though well

> > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their color,

> > speed, location and also

> > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > cycle of the zodiac.

> >

> >

> > but applying just astronomical rules to Jyotishya is

> > not going to help u

> > need to blend them and more with the other aspects

> > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we must

> > get some inputs from

> > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > essence see if there is an

> > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit words

> > have multiple meanings

> > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > totally over write what was

> > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > corrections as u said and is done

> > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy is

> > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > a part of it not whole of it/

> > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi and

> > vice versa, as long as

> > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > helps else like the Vakya

> > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > corrects them as they have

> > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > defensive methods like a

> > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if we

> > care to study the source.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The movements

> > of

> > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and modified

> > with

> > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of Motions

> > has

> > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > astrological rules according to the available

> > data. We

> > > are not in a position to explain that why superior

> > > planets have been granted three full aspects. We

> > have

> > > accepted with due respects what has been written

> > in

> > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our classic

> > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > every

> > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox. Every

> > > thing in this universe is moving and is relative.

> > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > over

> > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > been

> > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur not

> > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > teaching

> > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in Ashtakvarga.

> > So

> > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > scholars

> > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > Singh,

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri Devi,

> > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > Rao,

> > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao accepts

> > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > advise to

> > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs of

> > Rahu

> > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so many

> > things

> > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we are

> > not

> > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga. Time

> > and

> > > experience will clear it. But one thing is crystal

> > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > thing

> > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> >

> <vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > >

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > >

> > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of mind

> > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > have raised concerns i am making one more mail

> > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > subtilities -

> > > >

> > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to in

> > the

> > > > divisional charts

> > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the logic in

> > > > aspects in

> > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF REFERRED

> > to

> > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > Without

> > > > commenting

> > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave it

> > at

> > > > that, accepting

> > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > >

> > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is in

> > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart, they

> > are

> > > > there in those

> > > > respective rasis because those planets occupied

> > (in

> > > > the birth

> > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > lords

> > > > of Thula and

> > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > lordship between

> > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING TO

> > DO

> > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > time

> > > > of birth.

> > > > Therefore, there is no justification to consider

> > > > that these planets

> > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they will

> > be

> > > > in rasi, if

> > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ''The starting point of the math for evaluation

> > of

> > > > drikbala function

> > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > that

> > > > the drikbala is

> > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal

> > > > identity,and

> > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > attributed between

> > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > aspect

> > > > and aspectual

> > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts?

> > ''

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

According to my knowledge, there was knowledge of

astronomy first. The Astrology was developed later on

the basis of Astronomy. So a astrologer should be a

mathematician and have some knowledge of

astronomy.With out the knowledge of mathematics and

astronomy no one can be a true astrologers. It is

saying of our classics.

--- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

 

> Dear Kursija ji,

>

> What i think is that,

> neither astrology is wrong , neither astrnomy is

> wrong.

>

> the probleem exist is that , astronomers donot

> believe in astrology,

> whereas astrologers want astronomy to decode

> jyotish.

>

> The day people or some persons who can make

> astronomy and astrology

> is mixed, the hidden secrets in astrology can be

> answered.

>

> there are many things like aspects, refraction of

> rays, refractive

> index.. mutual attaction in planets, repulsion

> between the plantry

> gravitational force..etc..etc.

>

> just one person is needed who is astronomer and have

> astrology's pure

> knowledge....he only can make a link in between.

>

> Answers about rashi and its effect on human, are

> related to Aura

> science etc. i.e. colours.

>

> But this is for sure, we have to connect various

> sciences to decode

> principle of astrology.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

, " S.C. Kursija "

> <sckursija

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on

> Siddant

> > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which

> does

> > not go agaist the basic principles of the

> Siddant.

> >

> > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect.

> The

> > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets

> as

> > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should

> not as

> > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > others eminent writers of astrology we find they

> have

> > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who

> is

> > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > According to some eminent astrologers, the

> divisional

> > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > according to others we should follow classic

> > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of

> seven

> > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign

> of

> > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi

> chart

> > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > vargas.Does all are not giving correct

> predictions?

> > All are right.I bow before them as they are in

> search

> > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not

> perfect.

> > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got

> the

> > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that

> she is

> > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but

> the

> > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he

> absorbs

> > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > benefit of the human being.

> > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for

> the

> > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the

> path

> > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> >

> > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > > Dear SCK,

> > >

> > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb

> etc

> > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so

> accurately,

> > > like wise excess solar

> > > activity or solar flares as we call in

> astronomy,

> > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the

> Equatorial

> > > region only Rohini

> > > falls under it [has reference to such names]

> Quasars

> > > or Super star materials

> > > too have been given a mention in our works but

> what

> > > does not matter in our

> > > life time are not considered esp the trans

> saturnine

> > > planets though well

> > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their

> color,

> > > speed, location and also

> > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > >

> > >

> > > but applying just astronomical rules to

> Jyotishya is

> > > not going to help u

> > > need to blend them and more with the other

> aspects

> > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we

> must

> > > get some inputs from

> > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > essence see if there is an

> > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit

> words

> > > have multiple meanings

> > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > totally over write what was

> > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy

> is

> > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi

> and

> > > vice versa, as long as

> > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > corrects them as they have

> > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > defensive methods like a

> > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if

> we

> > > care to study the source.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The

> movements

> > > of

> > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and

> modified

> > > with

> > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of

> Motions

> > > has

> > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > data. We

> > > > are not in a position to explain that why

> superior

> > > > planets have been granted three full aspects.

> We

> > > have

> > > > accepted with due respects what has been

> written

> > > in

> > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our

> classic

> > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > every

> > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox.

> Every

> > > > thing in this universe is moving and is

> relative.

> > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > over

> > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > been

> > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur

> not

> > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > teaching

> > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in

> Ashtakvarga.

> > > So

> > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > scholars

> > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > Singh,

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri

> Devi,

> > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > Rao,

> > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao

> accepts

> > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > advise to

> > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs

> of

> > > Rahu

> > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so

> many

> > > things

> > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we

> are

> > > not

> > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga.

> Time

> > > and

> > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is

> crystal

> > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > thing

> > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > >

> >

>

<vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > >

> > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of

> mind

> > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more

> mail

> > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > subtilities -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to

> in

> > > the

> > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the

> logic in

> > > > > aspects in

> > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF

> REFERRED

> > > to

> > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > Without

> > > > > commenting

> > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave

> it

> > > at

> > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is

> in

> > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart,

> they

> > > are

> > > > > there in those

> > > > > respective rasis because those planets

> occupied

> > > (in

> > > > > the birth

> > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > lords

> > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > lordship between

> > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING

> TO

> > > DO

> > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > time

> > > > > of birth.

> > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to

> consider

> > > > > that these planets

> > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they

> will

> > > be

> > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ''The starting point of the math for

> evaluation

> > > of

> > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > that

> > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no

> longitudinal

> > > > > identity,and

> > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > attributed between

> > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > aspect

> > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa

> charts?

> > > ''

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kursija,

 

i think you didnt Read my mail.

 

but what now ??? how to connect Astrology and Astronomy, can you

decode principles of astrology by astronomy.

 

This is the biggest question for all. I think you are very good in

astronomy and astrology too, so can you please provide us your

expereinces whatever you gather from your exploration.

 

Regards

 

Tarun

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

> According to my knowledge, there was knowledge of

> astronomy first. The Astrology was developed later on

> the basis of Astronomy. So a astrologer should be a

> mathematician and have some knowledge of

> astronomy.With out the knowledge of mathematics and

> astronomy no one can be a true astrologers. It is

> saying of our classics.

> --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> > Dear Kursija ji,

> >

> > What i think is that,

> > neither astrology is wrong , neither astrnomy is

> > wrong.

> >

> > the probleem exist is that , astronomers donot

> > believe in astrology,

> > whereas astrologers want astronomy to decode

> > jyotish.

> >

> > The day people or some persons who can make

> > astronomy and astrology

> > is mixed, the hidden secrets in astrology can be

> > answered.

> >

> > there are many things like aspects, refraction of

> > rays, refractive

> > index.. mutual attaction in planets, repulsion

> > between the plantry

> > gravitational force..etc..etc.

> >

> > just one person is needed who is astronomer and have

> > astrology's pure

> > knowledge....he only can make a link in between.

> >

> > Answers about rashi and its effect on human, are

> > related to Aura

> > science etc. i.e. colours.

> >

> > But this is for sure, we have to connect various

> > sciences to decode

> > principle of astrology.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija "

> > <sckursija@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > > I have clearly said that astrology is bases on

> > Siddant

> > > as you have also accepted it. It can not over rule

> > > Siddant. It can draw its on rules and laws which

> > does

> > > not go agaist the basic principles of the

> > Siddant.

> > >

> > > More over we have to confined ourselves to aspect.

> > The

> > > question is that whether we should analyse the

> > > divisional chart on the basis of aspect of planets

> > as

> > > in Rashi chart. According to Respected K.N.Rao the

> > > answer is yes. According to Santhanam we should

> > not as

> > > divisional chart is made to analyse a particular

> > > aspect of life for the jatak. When we look towards

> > > others eminent writers of astrology we find they

> > have

> > > not used aspect in divisional charts. So what we

> > > should do? My answer will be that wait and see who

> > is

> > > correct. When we are not on one opinion for the

> > > construction of varga, how we can be on aspect?

> > > According to some eminent astrologers, the

> > divisional

> > > charts should be constructed in cyclic manner and

> > > according to others we should follow classic

> > > particulrly for Hora, Dreshkon and trimshamsha.

> > > Similarly we have not one opinion for the use of

> > seven

> > > or eight planet as karaks in Jaimini, for the sign

> > of

> > > exaltation of Rahu or Ketu, Karkamsha in rashi

> > chart

> > > or in navamsha chart and etc. The followers of

> > > K.P.system are not ready to accepts even the

> > > vargas.Does all are not giving correct

> > predictions?

> > > All are right.I bow before them as they are in

> > search

> > > of the truth.Only truth is right. We are not

> > perfect.

> > > We are blind examining an elephant.One who has got

> > the

> > > leg of the elephant, he says that elephant is a

> > > pillar. One who has hold the tail, he says that

> > she is

> > > rope. Both are right because our past experience

> > > blends the truth. We does not know the whole, but

> > the

> > > part of it.The truth is one a dot, the absolute

> > > Brahma. He expands himself with the help of his

> > > energy, the Prakriti and goes on taking different

> > > forms. All form are true. When he feels, he

> > absorbs

> > > his prakriti and again become a dot. He is only

> > > perfect. We are to search for the truth for the

> > > benefit of the human being.

> > > No one is wrong or right till he is searching for

> > the

> > > truth.He is a bacon of light.He is showing the

> > path

> > > what he finds is true.I bow before them on the

> > > occasion of Guru Poornima.

> > >

> > > --- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear SCK,

> > > >

> > > > yes the broad rules of motion, declination orb

> > etc

> > > > as in astronomy else HOW

> > > > will they be able to predict Eclipses so

> > accurately,

> > > > like wise excess solar

> > > > activity or solar flares as we call in

> > astronomy,

> > > > like wise the super Nova's

> > > > in the 27 star scheme [that is within the

> > Equatorial

> > > > region only Rohini

> > > > falls under it [has reference to such names]

> > Quasars

> > > > or Super star materials

> > > > too have been given a mention in our works but

> > what

> > > > does not matter in our

> > > > life time are not considered esp the trans

> > saturnine

> > > > planets though well

> > > > described and locatable form Mahabharata times

> > > > through Veda Vyasa [compiler

> > > > of Mahabharata] he not only describes their

> > color,

> > > > speed, location and also

> > > > said it doesn't concern human life as it takes

> > > > nearly 240 odd years for a

> > > > cycle of the zodiac.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > but applying just astronomical rules to

> > Jyotishya is

> > > > not going to help u

> > > > need to blend them and more with the other

> > aspects

> > > > like Gunas, tatwa,s

> > > > rasas, devatas , adidevathas and a lot more we

> > must

> > > > get some inputs from

> > > > Sanskrit source for any rethink on it gets its

> > > > essence see if there is an

> > > > answer or to our thinking as u said Sanskrit

> > words

> > > > have multiple meanings

> > > > and test them over a period of time. but we cant

> > > > totally over write what was

> > > > said in past all we can is make necessary

> > > > corrections as u said and is done

> > > > by good Siddhantis from time to time astronomy

> > is

> > > > siddhana and jyotishya is

> > > > a part of it not whole of it/

> > > > a good siddhanthi need not be a good jyotishi

> > and

> > > > vice versa, as long as

> > > > one understands the essence of them and work it

> > > > helps else like the Vakya

> > > > panchanga of TN will be stuck with errors no one

> > > > corrects them as they have

> > > > probably lost the clues to correct them and use

> > > > defensive methods like a

> > > > brand can't be wrong correction is in built if

> > we

> > > > care to study the source.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > On 7/28/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas Praqdeep,

> > > > > I have clearly said that Astrology is based on

> > > > > Astronomy and laws of mathematics. The

> > movements

> > > > of

> > > > > planets is governed by Kepler's law and

> > modified

> > > > with

> > > > > the observations of Nasa.Even the laws of

> > Motions

> > > > has

> > > > > been modified. But we have not modifies our

> > > > > astrological rules according to the available

> > > > data. We

> > > > > are not in a position to explain that why

> > superior

> > > > > planets have been granted three full aspects.

> > We

> > > > have

> > > > > accepted with due respects what has been

> > written

> > > > in

> > > > > our classics hundreds years ago, when our

> > classic

> > > > > clearly say that data should be modified after

> > > > every

> > > > > 60 years or so due to precession of equinox.

> > Every

> > > > > thing in this universe is moving and is

> > relative.

> > > > > Nothing is absolute and determine, fixed. More

> > > > over

> > > > > our astrological books are in sanskrit and has

> > > > been

> > > > > translated by scholars who know sanskrit bur

> > not

> > > > > astrology. In sanskrit a single word has many

> > > > > meanings. I have faced this difficulty while

> > > > teaching

> > > > > reduction in longevity due to Kuja in

> > Ashtakvarga.

> > > > So

> > > > > we have to refer the experience of our early

> > > > scholars

> > > > > in astrrology Sh.Harihar Majumdar, Devikinand

> > > > Singh,

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman, Sh. Surya Narain,Smt Gayatri

> > Devi,

> > > > > Sh.K.N.Rao, Iyenger, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narsimha

> > > > Rao,

> > > > > Santhanam and host of others.Sh. K.N.Rao

> > accepts

> > > > > aspect in varga, Late sh. Santhanam does not

> > > > advise to

> > > > > accept. Similar is the position for the signs

> > of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > and Ketu. Similarly we are confused for so

> > many

> > > > things

> > > > > in other fields of Astrrology. Accept that we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > clear about the aspects of planets in varga.

> > Time

> > > > and

> > > > > experience will clear it. But one thing is

> > crystal

> > > > > clear that Astrology is based on Astronomy.Any

> > > > thing

> > > > > against Astronomy's law is to be rejected.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > >

> > >

> >

> <vijayadas_pradeep@<vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Respected memebers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As some individuals with scientific bent of

> > mind

> > > > > > like Kursija ji

> > > > > > have raised concerns i am making one more

> > mail

> > > > > > ,before the paper to

> > > > > > make them understand the astronomical

> > > > subtilities -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Late Santhanam - " Aspects are referred to

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > divisional charts

> > > > > > here. I am unable to fully conceive the

> > logic in

> > > > > > aspects in

> > > > > > divisional charts for the SAGE HIMSELF

> > REFERRED

> > > > to

> > > > > > the LONGITUDINAL

> > > > > > aspectual evaluations in an earlier chapter.

> > > > Without

> > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > further on this controversial aspect I leave

> > it

> > > > at

> > > > > > that, accepting

> > > > > > my limitations to explain this fully. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Mr.Bose -

> > > > > > ''One has to remember that when a planet is

> > in

> > > > > > Thula(Libra) and

> > > > > > another one is in Mesha in Navamsha chart,

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > > there in those

> > > > > > respective rasis because those planets

> > occupied

> > > > (in

> > > > > > the birth

> > > > > > chart) segments ruled by Venus and Mars, the

> > > > lords

> > > > > > of Thula and

> > > > > > Mesha respectively.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''Such a relationship originates in the amsa

> > > > > > lordship between

> > > > > > segments of a given rasi, it has got NOTHING

> > TO

> > > > DO

> > > > > > WITH any ANGULAR

> > > > > > relationship between planets existing at the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of birth.

> > > > > > Therefore, there is no justification to

> > consider

> > > > > > that these planets

> > > > > > are in opposition in the same sense as they

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > in rasi, if

> > > > > > they are similarly placed.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''The starting point of the math for

> > evaluation

> > > > of

> > > > > > drikbala function

> > > > > > is the longitude of planets. Is it not clear

> > > > that

> > > > > > the drikbala is

> > > > > > aspectual strength? If there is no

> > longitudinal

> > > > > > identity,and

> > > > > > consequently no angular relationship can be

> > > > > > attributed between

> > > > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > and aspectual

> > > > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa

> > charts?

> > > > ''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >