[JG] To all those who want Astronomical explanation of Aspects in Amsa charts-28/7- 3

[Guest guest]

Dear Satya,

 

I just saw some of what u said in the chain itself even as I wanted to ask u

what cud the subject line be.to trace it backwards. I have been in this

group for a few days before I started posting saw how the crowd is and

ventured on select topics and people who know me in other groups know that I

am tied up with a construction work at home till Nov end so will use my

limited experience [since 1980-started my quest in it from Dec 7, 77] to

help people more in chart readings than topics that get us nowhere.

 

well we r fortunately close to VEDIC CONCEPTS and not mired into selective

picking of the English word which is easier than understanding Jyotishya

itself and those who have to raise their understanding levels will STILL

PICK holes we can't help them as Christ said forgive them for their they

know not what they r doing.

 

this i have to say as I tried my best to put the thoughts, conepts in simple

English with lines not missing the wood for the trees, re-inventing the

wheel, and avoid possible lines where it can accidentally also be construed

as trying to out do others no this subject is too holier than us and we must

live within its Maryada. where we can exchange information we all gather in

a meaningful way through us many next generation members must benefit not

get disgusted and quit.

 

all we can is make better use of the wheel. when people get this sure more

peace in groups will be there.

 

you are doing a good job so pl keep it going

 

Best wishes

 

On 7/28/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Prashanth,

>

> Your views are welcome and I appreciate you for the same. They are

> in agreement with my thoughts.

>

> You used the word Daivagna. That is appropriate for one who gets

> that planetary blessing to give correct advice to the client in

> need. It is this planetary blessing on the astrologer that I equate

> to the light emanating (or illumination from planets) you mentioned.

>

> If you can go back in the archive, about a week+ ago, I posted some

> of my astrological thoughts in about three messages. In one of them

> I presented my views on this concept. You don't have to agree upon

> them. But I believe in sharing thoughts across, to enhance our

> strengths and weaken the weaknesses.

>

> Best regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> > yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which in

> essence

> > covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of it

> not

> > whole.

> >

> > and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said and

> here as ur

> > last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and added

> >

> > precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic

> astrology

> > though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

> >

> > Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for the

> suffering,

> > as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of others

> [simple as

> > we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face a

> tough time

> > for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also

> minimise

> > our damages

> >

> > also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we

> are awake

> > can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating it

> it also

> > will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also be

> done say

> > when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2 good

> things

> > same time isn't it.

> >

> > again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

> >

> > a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and

> almighty who

> > will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if it

> is time to

> > come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and

> not be able

> > to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and

> beyond reach

> > the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this... what

> is part

> > of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere interpreter

> of divine

> > will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools in

> the hands

> > of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent to

> wait for

> > some more time to come out of his mess.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > There are other questions also I raised, which you did not seem

> to

> > > attempt here.

> > > But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> > > subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects;

> this is

> > > what I was trying to convey to the people when they are looking

> for

> > > every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic

> astrology.

> > > Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too

> little to

> > > make such a comparison.

> > >

> > > If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in

> varga

> > > charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't mean

> that

> > > those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder using

> > > these charts.

> > >

> > > In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything

> that

> > > we cannot understand.

> > >

> > > I will narrate an incident here.

> > >

> > > One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he cannot

> > > believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence of

> GOD

> > > as he cannot see him'.

> > > Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind that

> > > building?'

> > > He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> > > Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe that

> > > there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> > > Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> > > Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your problem.

> If I

> > > take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> > > Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know him

> > > too'. He agreed to my answer.

> > >

> > > Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> > > astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> > > arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't

> support

> > > it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic astrology

> is

> > > DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a

> divine

> > > outlook to understand this subject.

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your views,

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

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> 40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > >

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satya

> > > >

> > > > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone good u

> put

> > > it again

> > > > separately.

> > > >

> > > > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent of

> > > English names

> > > > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different

> meanings

> > > in a

> > > > particular context still we can max bring a closer English word

> > > not the

> > > > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from

> Sanskrit

> > > can

> > > > picturise them

> > > >

> > > > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in

> terms of

> > > > astronomical planet at least

> > > > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it not

> > > diminishing

> > > > its might when we call it a Planet

> > > >

> > > > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all light

> > > emanating

> > > > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra

> chapa,

> > > mandi etc

> > > > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite perse]

> all

> > > light

> > > > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> > > spectrum leave

> > > > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra red

> > > bands of

> > > > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right word

> and

> > > astrology

> > > > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> > > >

> > > > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely

> confused

> > > with worlds

> > > > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> > > insect to a

> > > > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> > > >

> > > > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not

> reduce

> > > it to

> > > > them but get the essence of them

> > > > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> > > >

> > > > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading charts

> as it

> > > helps

> > > > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the name

> of

> > > scienticif

> > > > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > > > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant last

> any

> > > more

> > > > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence and

> > > tune it for

> > > > the times we live in

> > > >

> > > > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has been, a

> > > conveyance

> > > > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are all

> > > still on

> > > > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't invent

> any

> > > other wheel

> > > > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be different/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Small correction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> > > according

> > > > > to Vedic astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satya

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

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> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for 100%

> > > > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa

> charts,

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since you

> > > have

> > > > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a

> simple

> > > > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> > > questions

> > > > > > that bother me.

> > > > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of skipping

> > > > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of the

> > > public.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> > > Vaamana

> > > > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka

> (Mangal)

> > > > > calling

> > > > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning castes to

> > > these

> > > > > > planets?

> > > > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY; I

> am not

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > > > There are many other questions. At least these questions

> are

> > > from

> > > > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even going

> into

> > > > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> > > questions.

> > > > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> > > classics,

> > > > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > --- In

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> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon; but

> > > they

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis. What

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance into

> vedic

> > > > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand

> what

> > > I am

> > > > > > > saying here.

> > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not like

> > > > > that.You

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that

> fashion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of Moon -

> > > > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-Mana

> > > padha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise anything

> for

> > > > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations

> can be

> > > > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets.

> Even

> > > Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different

> castes

> > > like

> > > > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many

> things

> > > you

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> > > thousands

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much

> > > later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> > > approximation to

> > > > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some

> > > people

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic

> astrology,

> > > > > let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they

> > > are.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> > > science.

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one

> > > has to

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do

> > > not do

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the

> > > > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to

> us;

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past

> centuries.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its

> own

> > > > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into

> criticism

> > > > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is

> not a

> > > > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss

> > > > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology?

> The

> > > > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based

> on

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not

> be

> > > > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in

> varga or

> > > > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the

> planets on

> > > > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to

> look

> > > > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi

> > > > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of

> birth.

> > > > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga

> are

> > > > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the

> > > > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and

> > > > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So

> > > > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we

> find

> > > > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in

> favor of

> > > > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that

> aspect

> > > > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does

> > > > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy.

> The

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have

> converted

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of

> human

> > > > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect

> > > > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to

> fit

> > > > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve

> himself

> > > > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the

> indian

> > > > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and

> rectify

> > > > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present

> > > > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so

> that

> > > > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of

> rain

> > > > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words

> have

> > > > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail

> in

> > > > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -

> he

> > > > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you

> > > > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about

> what i

> > > > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In

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> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction

> of

> > > > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he

> even

> > > > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree

> > > > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you

> agree

> > > > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there,

> houses

> > > > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS

> talks

> > > > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier

> > > > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha

> drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha

> > > > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on

> > > > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi

> has no

> > > > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand

> what

> > > > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for

> > > > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >