[JG] To all those who want Astronomical explanation of Aspects in Amsa charts-28/7- 4

[Guest guest]

Pradeep,

 

it good to see it being seen in proper light as Intended and I don't mean

any slant or twist in what I have to say, I use the backbone as laid by our

rishies and it has inbuilt axim for Desha, Kala, Paristhi where we need to

adapt it to our times we have to we can't do more and all contemporary

beings who live in a material world unlike them on a purely Dharmic,

detached world had through their higher conscious levels been able to see

what we see through newer scientific embellishments or tools, most of what

they had described on planets stars are just confirmed by science today

except that we tend to see most of our works as understood by our imperial

rulers in the past 1000 years than the way Rishis laid out for that we need

to read the source just like to enjoy the beauty of Ganga we need to go to

Manasoravara we need to go to the source for many of its secrets to reveal

to us sanskrit is a beautiful language as u grow older u find the same words

meaning to u differently so one who translate it or read such a work at a

time may be in a time warp that needs to be always updated live no frozen

interpretation is implied like when they said on 4th house u see Santhanam's

works still talk of bullock carts, cows, elephants but many others earlier

to him say Raman or his grandfather have used conveyances and also included

these animal driven ones and we still relate the speed to HP-horse

power.forall the new vehicles that come from time to time.

 

so on the concepts like aspects I have already said what I understood from

what the rishies implied and we have used for ages. we surely can't try to

build a fool proof model for s/w to be written as I had already said in

earlier messages, bulls eye is not the scope of Jyotish [though possible and

happens ] and it can work only to help a individual in need with the

driving force from almighty we mere are instruments for this like hoe

computers are for us except that we are sensitive to ones needs and do a

reading from our references mentally which comes from several works above

all experience in dealing with them in our times. and the need and karma

quotient fof the individual to be helped by us.

 

People who have claimed to invent systems have found it works for them [will

work inspite that for them] as they may blessed to read it anyway but they

need not work for the followers of such systems as we can see many systems

come and go and the LIGHT as shown by our rishis alone will continue to

throw light on any dark matter if applied rightly.

 

I am still open to see ur work on this as U have said.will do soon

 

Best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/28/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant Kumar ji

>

> Thank you for your thoughtful mails.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> > yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which in

> essence

> > covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of it

> not

> > whole.

> >

> > and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said and

> here as ur

> > last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and added

> >

> > precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic

> astrology

> > though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

> >

> > Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for the

> suffering,

> > as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of others

> [simple as

> > we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face a

> tough time

> > for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also

> minimise

> > our damages

> >

> > also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we are

> awake

> > can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating it

> it also

> > will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also be

> done say

> > when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2 good

> things

> > same time isn't it.

> >

> > again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

> >

> > a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and

> almighty who

> > will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if it is

> time to

> > come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and

> not be able

> > to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and

> beyond reach

> > the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this... what

> is part

> > of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere interpreter

> of divine

> > will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools in

> the hands

> > of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent to

> wait for

> > some more time to come out of his mess.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > There are other questions also I raised, which you did not seem to

> > > attempt here.

> > > But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> > > subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects; this

> is

> > > what I was trying to convey to the people when they are looking

> for

> > > every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic

> astrology.

> > > Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too little

> to

> > > make such a comparison.

> > >

> > > If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in

> varga

> > > charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't mean

> that

> > > those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder using

> > > these charts.

> > >

> > > In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything

> that

> > > we cannot understand.

> > >

> > > I will narrate an incident here.

> > >

> > > One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he cannot

> > > believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence of GOD

> > > as he cannot see him'.

> > > Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind that

> > > building?'

> > > He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> > > Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe that

> > > there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> > > Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> > > Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your problem. If

> I

> > > take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> > > Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know him

> > > too'. He agreed to my answer.

> > >

> > > Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> > > astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> > > arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't support

> > > it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic astrology

> is

> > > DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a

> divine

> > > outlook to understand this subject.

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your views,

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

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> 40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > >

> > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satya

> > > >

> > > > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone good u

> put

> > > it again

> > > > separately.

> > > >

> > > > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent of

> > > English names

> > > > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different

> meanings

> > > in a

> > > > particular context still we can max bring a closer English word

> > > not the

> > > > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from

> Sanskrit

> > > can

> > > > picturise them

> > > >

> > > > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in terms

> of

> > > > astronomical planet at least

> > > > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it not

> > > diminishing

> > > > its might when we call it a Planet

> > > >

> > > > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all light

> > > emanating

> > > > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra chapa,

> > > mandi etc

> > > > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite perse] all

> > > light

> > > > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> > > spectrum leave

> > > > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra red

> > > bands of

> > > > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right word

> and

> > > astrology

> > > > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> > > >

> > > > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely confused

> > > with worlds

> > > > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> > > insect to a

> > > > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> > > >

> > > > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not

> reduce

> > > it to

> > > > them but get the essence of them

> > > > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> > > >

> > > > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading charts as

> it

> > > helps

> > > > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the name of

> > > scienticif

> > > > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > > > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant last

> any

> > > more

> > > > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence and

> > > tune it for

> > > > the times we live in

> > > >

> > > > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has been, a

> > > conveyance

> > > > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are all

> > > still on

> > > > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't invent any

> > > other wheel

> > > > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be different/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Small correction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> > > according

> > > > > to Vedic astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satya

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

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> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for 100%

> > > > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa

> charts,

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since you

> > > have

> > > > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a simple

> > > > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> > > questions

> > > > > > that bother me.

> > > > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of skipping

> > > > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of the

> > > public.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> > > Vaamana

> > > > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka (Mangal)

> > > > > calling

> > > > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning castes to

> > > these

> > > > > > planets?

> > > > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY; I am

> not

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > > > There are many other questions. At least these questions are

> > > from

> > > > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even going

> into

> > > > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> > > questions.

> > > > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> > > classics,

> > > > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon; but

> > > they

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis. What I

> > > was

> > > > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance into

> vedic

> > > > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand

> what

> > > I am

> > > > > > > saying here.

> > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not like

> > > > > that.You

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that

> fashion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of Moon -

> > > > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-Mana

> > > padha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise anything

> for

> > > > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations

> can be

> > > > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets.

> Even

> > > Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different castes

> > > like

> > > > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many

> things

> > > you

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> > > thousands

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much

> > > later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> > > approximation to

> > > > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some

> > > people

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic

> astrology,

> > > > > let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they

> > > are.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> > > science.

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one

> > > has to

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do

> > > not do

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the

> > > > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to

> us;

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past centuries.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own

> > > > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism

> > > > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is

> not a

> > > > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss

> > > > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology?

> The

> > > > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based

> on

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be

> > > > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga

> or

> > > > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets

> on

> > > > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to

> look

> > > > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi

> > > > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of

> birth.

> > > > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are

> > > > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the

> > > > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and

> > > > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So

> > > > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we

> find

> > > > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor

> of

> > > > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that

> aspect

> > > > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does

> > > > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy.

> The

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have

> converted

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of

> human

> > > > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect

> > > > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to

> fit

> > > > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself

> > > > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the

> indian

> > > > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify

> > > > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present

> > > > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that

> > > > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of

> rain

> > > > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have

> > > > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in

> > > > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -

> he

> > > > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you

> > > > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what

> i

> > > > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In

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> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of

> > > > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even

> > > > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree

> > > > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you

> agree

> > > > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses

> > > > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS

> talks

> > > > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier

> > > > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha

> drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha

> > > > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on

> > > > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has

> no

> > > > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand

> what

> > > > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for

> > > > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashanth ji

 

I could see experience talking in your mail.There are many valid

points in your mail.

 

I would like to make certain things clear regarding the purpose.If it

is certain confirmatory principles,that are being considered ,there

is no necessity for one to make so much noise and energy against.

 

As you know Jyotish has thousands of principles and cannot be

mastered in a life time.

 

But if our general direction is wrong,it makes our job even

tougher.Giants like Dr.Raman or K.N.Raoji knew where is the crux and

which is the main canvas.Inspite of so many debates,Chandrashekhar ji

knows nd has demonstrated which is the main canvas.

 

On the other hand,though there has been a considerble change recently

visible,many students do had(having?) the impression and practise of

considering 100's of parameters in seperate Vargamsha groupings and

reach inappropriate conslusions(my view).

 

It was the anger and frustration at this plight,that made one spend

so much energy.But my intentions can be suspected and i cannot prove

it either.

 

Thus as you have rightly mentioned considering the nature of

Jyotish,we may not impose strict realms.That is notmy purpose either.

 

When the change of direction is so tough(Institutionalsation) even a

minor realization among us,can result only with a digging up of

basics. Here one has to stand close to the root without any

compromise at all.

 

Thus i keep your point in mind and accept it.I will try to take along

with me all the experience gained.

 

Thus i am not aganist all tese great men.In my paper i will try to

see the root and elementary principles,which can be approved or

rejected.I know as in every case some may agree while some may not.

 

Thanks again for all the guidance.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Pradeep,

>

> it good to see it being seen in proper light as Intended and I

don't mean

> any slant or twist in what I have to say, I use the backbone as

laid by our

> rishies and it has inbuilt axim for Desha, Kala, Paristhi where we

need to

> adapt it to our times we have to we can't do more and all

contemporary

> beings who live in a material world unlike them on a purely Dharmic,

> detached world had through their higher conscious levels been able

to see

> what we see through newer scientific embellishments or tools, most

of what

> they had described on planets stars are just confirmed by science

today

> except that we tend to see most of our works as understood by our

imperial

> rulers in the past 1000 years than the way Rishis laid out for that

we need

> to read the source just like to enjoy the beauty of Ganga we need

to go to

> Manasoravara we need to go to the source for many of its secrets to

reveal

> to us sanskrit is a beautiful language as u grow older u find the

same words

> meaning to u differently so one who translate it or read such a

work at a

> time may be in a time warp that needs to be always updated live no

frozen

> interpretation is implied like when they said on 4th house u see

Santhanam's

> works still talk of bullock carts, cows, elephants but many others

earlier

> to him say Raman or his grandfather have used conveyances and also

included

> these animal driven ones and we still relate the speed to HP-horse

> power.forall the new vehicles that come from time to time.

>

> so on the concepts like aspects I have already said what I

understood from

> what the rishies implied and we have used for ages. we surely can't

try to

> build a fool proof model for s/w to be written as I had already

said in

> earlier messages, bulls eye is not the scope of Jyotish [though

possible and

> happens ] and it can work only to help a individual in need with

the

> driving force from almighty we mere are instruments for this like

hoe

> computers are for us except that we are sensitive to ones needs and

do a

> reading from our references mentally which comes from several works

above

> all experience in dealing with them in our times. and the need and

karma

> quotient fof the individual to be helped by us.

>

> People who have claimed to invent systems have found it works for

them [will

> work inspite that for them] as they may blessed to read it anyway

but they

> need not work for the followers of such systems as we can see many

systems

> come and go and the LIGHT as shown by our rishis alone will

continue to

> throw light on any dark matter if applied rightly.

>

> I am still open to see ur work on this as U have said.will do soon

>

> Best wishes

On 7/28/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant Kumar ji

> >

> > Thank you for your thoughtful mails.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya,

> > > yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which

in

> > essence

> > > covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of

it

> > not

> > > whole.

> > >

> > > and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said

and

> > here as ur

> > > last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and

added

> > >

> > > precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic

> > astrology

> > > though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

> > >

> > > Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for

the

> > suffering,

> > > as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of

others

> > [simple as

> > > we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face

a

> > tough time

> > > for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also

> > minimise

> > > our damages

> > >

> > > also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we

are

> > awake

> > > can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating

it

> > it also

> > > will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also

be

> > done say

> > > when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2

good

> > things

> > > same time isn't it.

> > >

> > > again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

> > >

> > > a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and

> > almighty who

> > > will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if

it is

> > time to

> > > come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and

> > not be able

> > > to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and

> > beyond reach

> > > the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this...

what

> > is part

> > > of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere

interpreter

> > of divine

> > > will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools

in

> > the hands

> > > of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent

to

> > wait for

> > > some more time to come out of his mess.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > There are other questions also I raised, which you did not

seem to

> > > > attempt here.

> > > > But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> > > > subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects;

this

> > is

> > > > what I was trying to convey to the people when they are

looking

> > for

> > > > every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic

> > astrology.

> > > > Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too

little

> > to

> > > > make such a comparison.

> > > >

> > > > If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in

> > varga

> > > > charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't

mean

> > that

> > > > those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder

using

> > > > these charts.

> > > >

> > > > In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything

> > that

> > > > we cannot understand.

> > > >

> > > > I will narrate an incident here.

> > > >

> > > > One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he

cannot

> > > > believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence

of GOD

> > > > as he cannot see him'.

> > > > Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind

that

> > > > building?'

> > > > He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> > > > Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe

that

> > > > there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> > > > Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> > > > Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your

problem. If

> > I

> > > > take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> > > > Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know

him

> > > > too'. He agreed to my answer.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> > > > astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> > > > arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't

support

> > > > it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic

astrology

> > is

> > > > DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a

> > divine

> > > > outlook to understand this subject.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing your views,

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " astro desk "

> > > >

> > > > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Satya

> > > > >

> > > > > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone

good u

> > put

> > > > it again

> > > > > separately.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent

of

> > > > English names

> > > > > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different

> > meanings

> > > > in a

> > > > > particular context still we can max bring a closer English

word

> > > > not the

> > > > > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from

> > Sanskrit

> > > > can

> > > > > picturise them

> > > > >

> > > > > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in

terms

> > of

> > > > > astronomical planet at least

> > > > > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it

not

> > > > diminishing

> > > > > its might when we call it a Planet

> > > > >

> > > > > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all

light

> > > > emanating

> > > > > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra

chapa,

> > > > mandi etc

> > > > > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite

perse] all

> > > > light

> > > > > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> > > > spectrum leave

> > > > > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra

red

> > > > bands of

> > > > > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right

word

> > and

> > > > astrology

> > > > > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely

confused

> > > > with worlds

> > > > > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> > > > insect to a

> > > > > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not

> > reduce

> > > > it to

> > > > > them but get the essence of them

> > > > > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading

charts as

> > it

> > > > helps

> > > > > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the

name of

> > > > scienticif

> > > > > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > > > > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant

last

> > any

> > > > more

> > > > > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence

and

> > > > tune it for

> > > > > the times we live in

> > > > >

> > > > > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has

been, a

> > > > conveyance

> > > > > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are

all

> > > > still on

> > > > > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't

invent any

> > > > other wheel

> > > > > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be

different/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Small correction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> > > > according

> > > > > > to Vedic astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for

100%

> > > > > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa

> > charts,

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since

you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a

simple

> > > > > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> > > > questions

> > > > > > > that bother me.

> > > > > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of

skipping

> > > > > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of

the

> > > > public.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> > > > Vaamana

> > > > > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka

(Mangal)

> > > > > > calling

> > > > > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning

castes to

> > > > these

> > > > > > > planets?

> > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY;

I am

> > not

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > > > > There are many other questions. At least these

questions are

> > > > from

> > > > > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even

going

> > into

> > > > > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> > > > questions.

> > > > > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> > > > classics,

> > > > > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon;

but

> > > > they

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis.

What I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance

into

> > vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand

> > what

> > > > I am

> > > > > > > > saying here.

> > > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not

like

> > > > > > that.You

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that

> > fashion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of

Moon -

> > > > > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-

Mana

> > > > padha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise

anything

> > for

> > > > > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations

> > can be

> > > > > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as

incarnations of

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as

planets.

> > Even

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different

castes

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many

> > things

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> > > > thousands

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed

much

> > > > later.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > > > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> > > > approximation to

> > > > > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which

some

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic

> > astrology,

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as

they

> > > > are.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> > > > science.

> > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no

one

> > > > has to

> > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate

something, do

> > > > not do

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over

the

> > > > > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known

to

> > us;

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past

centuries.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>

> > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got

its own

> > > > > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into

criticism

> > > > > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is

> > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who

discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in

astrology?

> > The

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are

based

> > on

> > > > > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will

not be

> > > > > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in

varga

> > or

> > > > > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the

planets

> > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to

> > look

> > > > > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The

rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of

> > birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The

varga are

> > > > > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or

the

> > > > > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy

and

> > > > > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a

science.So

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how

we

> > find

> > > > > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in

favor

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that

> > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy

does

> > > > > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on

astronomy.

> > The

> > > > > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have

> > converted

> > > > > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of

> > human

> > > > > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future.

Respect

> > > > > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may

be.The

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try

to

> > fit

> > > > > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve

himself

> > > > > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the

> > indian

> > > > > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and

rectify

> > > > > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the

present

> > > > > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so

that

> > > > > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of

> > rain

> > > > > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words

have

> > > > > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the

mail in

> > > > > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga

charts -

> > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do

you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about

what

> > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>

> > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's

conviction of

> > > > > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he

even

> > > > > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do

agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you

> > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there,

houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS

> > talks

> > > > > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in

earlier

> > > > > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha

> > drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of

Graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any

other

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based

on

> > > > > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi

has

> > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to

understand

> > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated

(for

> > > > > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >