[JG] To all those who want Astronomical explanation of Aspects in Amsa charts-28/7- 1

[Guest guest]

Dear Satya,

yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which in essence

covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of it not

whole.

 

and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said and here as ur

last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and added

 

precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic astrology

though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

 

Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for the suffering,

as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of others [simple as

we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face a tough time

for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also minimise

our damages

 

also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we are awake

can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating it it also

will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also be done say

when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2 good things

same time isn't it.

 

again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

 

a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and almighty who

will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if it is time to

come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and not be able

to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and beyond reach

the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this... what is part

of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere interpreter of divine

will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools in the hands

of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent to wait for

some more time to come out of his mess.

 

Best wishes

 

On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> There are other questions also I raised, which you did not seem to

> attempt here.

> But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects; this is

> what I was trying to convey to the people when they are looking for

> every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic astrology.

> Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too little to

> make such a comparison.

>

> If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in varga

> charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't mean that

> those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder using

> these charts.

>

> In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything that

> we cannot understand.

>

> I will narrate an incident here.

>

> One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he cannot

> believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence of GOD

> as he cannot see him'.

> Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind that

> building?'

> He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe that

> there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your problem. If I

> take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know him

> too'. He agreed to my answer.

>

> Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't support

> it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic astrology is

> DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a divine

> outlook to understand this subject.

>

> Thanks for sharing your views,

>

> Regards,

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

>

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya

> >

> > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone good u put

> it again

> > separately.

> >

> > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent of

> English names

> > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different meanings

> in a

> > particular context still we can max bring a closer English word

> not the

> > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from Sanskrit

> can

> > picturise them

> >

> > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in terms of

> > astronomical planet at least

> > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it not

> diminishing

> > its might when we call it a Planet

> >

> > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all light

> emanating

> > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra chapa,

> mandi etc

> > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite perse] all

> light

> > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> spectrum leave

> > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra red

> bands of

> > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right word and

> astrology

> > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> >

> > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely confused

> with worlds

> > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> insect to a

> > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> >

> > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not reduce

> it to

> > them but get the essence of them

> > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> >

> > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading charts as it

> helps

> > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the name of

> scienticif

> > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant last any

> more

> > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence and

> tune it for

> > the times we live in

> >

> > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has been, a

> conveyance

> > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are all

> still on

> > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't invent any

> other wheel

> > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be different/

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> > >

> > > Small correction.

> > >

> > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> according

> > > to Vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > >

> > > Satya

> > >

> > >

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for 100%

> > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa charts,

> I

> > > am

> > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since you

> have

> > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a simple

> > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> questions

> > > > that bother me.

> > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of skipping

> > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of the

> public.

> > > >

> > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> Vaamana

> > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka (Mangal)

> > > calling

> > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> Vishnu.

> > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning castes to

> these

> > > > planets?

> > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY; I am not

> > > sure

> > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > There are many other questions. At least these questions are

> from

> > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even going into

> > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> questions.

> > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > >

> > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> classics,

> > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon; but

> they

> > > > have

> > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis. What I

> was

> > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance into vedic

> > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand what

> I am

> > > > > saying here.

> > > > > Satya

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

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> 40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who does

> not

> > > > know

> > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not like

> > > that.You

> > > > > are

> > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that fashion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of Moon -

> > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-Mana

> padha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise anything for

> > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations can be

> > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of

> Lord

> > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets. Even

> Sun

> > > > and

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different castes

> like

> > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many things

> you

> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> thousands

> > > > of

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much

> later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> approximation to

> > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some

> people

> > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic astrology,

> > > let

> > > > us

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they

> are.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> science.

> > > > You

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one

> has to

> > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do

> not do

> > > > it

> > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the

> > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to us;

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past centuries.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own

> > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism

> > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a

> > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss

> > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The

> > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on

> > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be

> > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or

> > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on

> > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look

> > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi

> > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth.

> > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are

> > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the

> > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and

> > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So

> > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find

> > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of

> > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect

> > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does

> > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The

> > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted

> > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human

> > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect

> > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The

> > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit

> > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself

> > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian

> > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify

> > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present

> > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that

> > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain

> > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have

> > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in

> > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he

> > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you

> > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i

> > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In

<%40>

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of

> > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even

> > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree

> > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree

> > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses

> > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%

> 40>

> > > ,

> > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks

> > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier

> > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti

> > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha

> > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other

> > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on

> > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no

> > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what

> > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for

> > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashanth,

 

Your views are welcome and I appreciate you for the same. They are

in agreement with my thoughts.

 

You used the word Daivagna. That is appropriate for one who gets

that planetary blessing to give correct advice to the client in

need. It is this planetary blessing on the astrologer that I equate

to the light emanating (or illumination from planets) you mentioned.

 

If you can go back in the archive, about a week+ ago, I posted some

of my astrological thoughts in about three messages. In one of them

I presented my views on this concept. You don't have to agree upon

them. But I believe in sharing thoughts across, to enhance our

strengths and weaken the weaknesses.

 

Best regards,

Satya S Kolachina

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Satya,

> yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which in

essence

> covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of it

not

> whole.

>

> and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said and

here as ur

> last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and added

>

> precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic

astrology

> though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

>

> Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for the

suffering,

> as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of others

[simple as

> we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face a

tough time

> for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also

minimise

> our damages

>

> also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we

are awake

> can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating it

it also

> will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also be

done say

> when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2 good

things

> same time isn't it.

>

> again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

>

> a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and

almighty who

> will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if it

is time to

> come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and

not be able

> to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and

beyond reach

> the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this... what

is part

> of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere interpreter

of divine

> will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools in

the hands

> of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent to

wait for

> some more time to come out of his mess.

>

> Best wishes

>

> On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > There are other questions also I raised, which you did not seem

to

> > attempt here.

> > But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> > subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects;

this is

> > what I was trying to convey to the people when they are looking

for

> > every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic

astrology.

> > Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too

little to

> > make such a comparison.

> >

> > If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in

varga

> > charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't mean

that

> > those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder using

> > these charts.

> >

> > In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything

that

> > we cannot understand.

> >

> > I will narrate an incident here.

> >

> > One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he cannot

> > believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence of

GOD

> > as he cannot see him'.

> > Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind that

> > building?'

> > He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> > Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe that

> > there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> > Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> > Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your problem.

If I

> > take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> > Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know him

> > too'. He agreed to my answer.

> >

> > Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> > astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> > arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't

support

> > it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic astrology

is

> > DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a

divine

> > outlook to understand this subject.

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your views,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " astro desk "

> >

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya

> > >

> > > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone good u

put

> > it again

> > > separately.

> > >

> > > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent of

> > English names

> > > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different

meanings

> > in a

> > > particular context still we can max bring a closer English word

> > not the

> > > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from

Sanskrit

> > can

> > > picturise them

> > >

> > > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in

terms of

> > > astronomical planet at least

> > > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it not

> > diminishing

> > > its might when we call it a Planet

> > >

> > > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all light

> > emanating

> > > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra

chapa,

> > mandi etc

> > > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite perse]

all

> > light

> > > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> > spectrum leave

> > > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra red

> > bands of

> > > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right word

and

> > astrology

> > > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> > >

> > > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely

confused

> > with worlds

> > > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> > insect to a

> > > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> > >

> > > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not

reduce

> > it to

> > > them but get the essence of them

> > > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> > >

> > > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading charts

as it

> > helps

> > > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the name

of

> > scienticif

> > > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant last

any

> > more

> > > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence and

> > tune it for

> > > the times we live in

> > >

> > > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has been, a

> > conveyance

> > > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are all

> > still on

> > > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't invent

any

> > other wheel

> > > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be different/

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Small correction.

> > > >

> > > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> > according

> > > > to Vedic astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > > >

> > > > Satya

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for 100%

> > > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa

charts,

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since you

> > have

> > > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a

simple

> > > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> > questions

> > > > > that bother me.

> > > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of skipping

> > > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of the

> > public.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> > Vaamana

> > > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka

(Mangal)

> > > > calling

> > > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> > Vishnu.

> > > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning castes to

> > these

> > > > > planets?

> > > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY; I

am not

> > > > sure

> > > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > > There are many other questions. At least these questions

are

> > from

> > > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even going

into

> > > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> > questions.

> > > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> > classics,

> > > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon; but

> > they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis. What

I

> > was

> > > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance into

vedic

> > > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand

what

> > I am

> > > > > > saying here.

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who

does

> > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not like

> > > > that.You

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that

fashion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of Moon -

> > > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-Mana

> > padha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise anything

for

> > > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations

can be

> > > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of

> > Lord

> > > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets.

Even

> > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different

castes

> > like

> > > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many

things

> > you

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> > thousands

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much

> > later.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> > approximation to

> > > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some

> > people

> > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic

astrology,

> > > > let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they

> > are.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> > science.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one

> > has to

> > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do

> > not do

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the

> > > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to

us;

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past

centuries.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its

own

> > > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into

criticism

> > > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is

not a

> > > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss

> > > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology?

The

> > > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based

on

> > > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not

be

> > > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in

varga or

> > > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the

planets on

> > > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to

look

> > > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi

> > > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of

birth.

> > > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga

are

> > > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the

> > > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and

> > > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So

> > > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we

find

> > > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in

favor of

> > > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that

aspect

> > > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does

> > > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy.

The

> > > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have

converted

> > > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of

human

> > > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect

> > > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The

> > > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to

fit

> > > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve

himself

> > > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the

indian

> > > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and

rectify

> > > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present

> > > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so

that

> > > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of

rain

> > > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words

have

> > > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail

in

> > > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -

he

> > > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you

> > > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about

what i

> > > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction

of

> > > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he

even

> > > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree

> > > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you

agree

> > > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there,

houses

> > > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%

> > 40>

> > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS

talks

> > > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier

> > > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha

drishti

> > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha

> > > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on

> > > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi

has no

> > > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand

what

> > > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for

> > > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant Kumar ji

 

Thank you for your thoughtful mails.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Satya,

> yest I wanted to make my point thru the word Graha itself which in

essence

> covers all of the so called astronomy angle to it it is part of it

not

> whole.

>

> and this trying to invent the wheel is not possible as I said and

here as ur

> last line said I have too innumerous occasions said same and added

>

> precession or bulls eye prediction is not the scope of vedic

astrology

> though it happens in a high percentage of cases.

>

> Jyotishya is a science of light for the end of the tunnel for the

suffering,

> as when misfortune comes it always comes with a company of others

[simple as

> we get bogged down by it] by understanding that we have to face a

tough time

> for x length of time we can mentally be prepared for it and also

minimise

> our damages

>

> also when fortune comes also it comes with a good company if we are

awake

> can reap much more than we do but if we get lost in celebrating it

it also

> will fade away. what else can be done in a good phase must also be

done say

> when u earn well some charity helps in any form so there r 2 good

things

> same time isn't it.

>

> again for predictions we need 3 angles of a equilateral triangle

>

> a sincere situation of the client a well versed astrologer and

almighty who

> will chanelise the knowledge of the astrologer to help him if it is

time to

> come out of a tight spot, else the best men also will falter and

not be able

> to predict usefully to them and after such people have left and

beyond reach

> the astrologer will recollect ah I must have told him this... what

is part

> of ones karma to get a solution thru a Davignya a mere interpreter

of divine

> will, script and the various works of astrology are mere tools in

the hands

> of good men and can fail as said when Almighty wants the qurent to

wait for

> some more time to come out of his mess.

>

> Best wishes

>

> On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > There are other questions also I raised, which you did not seem to

> > attempt here.

> > But I still appreciate your attempt to get the essense of any

> > subject and then comparison may make sense between subjects; this

is

> > what I was trying to convey to the people when they are looking

for

> > every thing in black and white, when they look into Vedic

astrology.

> > Our knowledge on both astronomy and vedic astrology is too little

to

> > make such a comparison.

> >

> > If one looks for astronomical calculations to find aspects in

varga

> > charts; they may not find one today. Of course, it doesn't mean

that

> > those great astrologers of yester years have done blunder using

> > these charts.

> >

> > In the name of research we cannot dismiss or reject everything

that

> > we cannot understand.

> >

> > I will narrate an incident here.

> >

> > One person used to argue that 'whatever he doesn't see, he cannot

> > believe in it; he says that he doesn't believe in existence of GOD

> > as he cannot see him'.

> > Then I asked him showing through the window 'what is behind that

> > building?'

> > He said 'there is a lake behind that building'.

> > Then I told him, based on his own argument 'I do not believe that

> > there is a lake, since I cannot see it'.

> > Then he said, 'If you go there you will see the lake'.

> > Then I said 'Right. You got the right answer for your problem. If

I

> > take extra efforts of going there, then I can see the lake.

> > Similarly if you put extra efforts to know GOD, you will know him

> > too'. He agreed to my answer.

> >

> > Similarly, if we put extra efforts in understanding our Vedic

> > astrology, there are pearls underneath it. Instead, if we keep

> > arguing that I don't believe since the mathematics doesn't support

> > it; no one can help that person. I said earlier. Vedic astrology

is

> > DIVINE SCIENCE; not just a simple science. One should have a

divine

> > outlook to understand this subject.

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your views,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " astro desk "

> >

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya

> > >

> > > for a start I wanted to limit myself to this part alone good u

put

> > it again

> > > separately.

> > >

> > > Well most of sanskrit terms can't find the right equivalent of

> > English names

> > > like Dharma, Karma, Shrama, Yoga, etc all have different

meanings

> > in a

> > > particular context still we can max bring a closer English word

> > not the

> > > intended meaning in that situation as languages born from

Sanskrit

> > can

> > > picturise them

> > >

> > > likewise Graha is not a planet per se so we can't that in terms

of

> > > astronomical planet at least

> > > in the same Vein Ravi is a star in astronomy inst it is it not

> > diminishing

> > > its might when we call it a Planet

> > >

> > > Graha in Sanskrit and for astrological reasoning is all light

> > emanating

> > > bodies, this is how some astral bodies like Gulika, Indra chapa,

> > mandi etc

> > > are also in the list [upgrahas again not the satelite perse] all

> > light

> > > emanating bodies and light need not be from the known visual

> > spectrum leave

> > > alone visible light spectrum and the ultra violet and infra red

> > bands of

> > > light. as it is Jyotshya- a subject of Light is the right word

and

> > astrology

> > > is a weaker word for it in comparison.

> > >

> > > Our shastras talk of 14 lokas again must not be loosely confused

> > with worlds

> > > can mean 14 strata where life is possible in any form for an

> > insect to a

> > > mammal organic and inorganic matter etc.

> > >

> > > my attn was more on so called scientific labels we must not

reduce

> > it to

> > > them but get the essence of them

> > > we must not *Missing the wood for the trees*.

> > >

> > > Personally I would like to contribute more on reading charts as

it

> > helps

> > > people than this debates which may go in circles. in the name of

> > scienticif

> > > bent of mind we can't turn the tables upside down

> > > the systems laid by our rishis are well founded and cant last

any

> > more

> > > thousand of years all we need is to understand its essence and

> > tune it for

> > > the times we live in

> > >

> > > just as the Wheel the corner stone of civilisation has been, a

> > conveyance

> > > that can start from a bullock cart to a space shuttle are all

> > still on

> > > wheels it is mere adaptation that is needed. we can't invent any

> > other wheel

> > > form than a circle isn't it? the propellants can be different/

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/27/07, Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Small correction.

> > > >

> > > > Please read as : I am sure that Rahu and Kethu are planets

> > according

> > > > to Vedic astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I typed a 'not' as a typographical error.

> > > >

> > > > Satya

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > As I am fedup with the hypocricy of those who look for 100%

> > > > > paralance of astronomical evidence for aspects in Amsa

charts,

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > putting these questions straight to those people. Since you

> > have

> > > > > scientific bent of mind, I appreciate it, and I, as a simple

> > > > > astrologer, am looking for answers for these very simple

> > questions

> > > > > that bother me.

> > > > > This mail is not for those who have the habit of skipping

> > > > > inconvenient questions, or diverting the attention of the

> > public.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Jupiter as the

> > Vaamana

> > > > > incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > What is the astronomical basis of calling Angaaraka (Mangal)

> > > > calling

> > > > > as Nrisimha incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

> > > > > (same question repeated for all the incarnations of Lord

> > Vishnu.

> > > > > Similarly what is astronomical basis of assigning castes to

> > these

> > > > > planets?

> > > > > Rahu and Kethu are NOT PLANETS according to ASTRONOMY; I am

not

> > > > sure

> > > > > they are planets according to VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

> > > > > There are many other questions. At least these questions are

> > from

> > > > > the first couple of chapters of BPHS. I am not even going

into

> > > > > depths of BPHS, as it is not required for these simple

> > questions.

> > > > > These form part of the basis for our predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not need answers with respect to BPHS or any of our

> > classics,

> > > > > since they already support these concepts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astronomically Rahu and Kethu are only Nodes of moon; but

> > they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > been given the status of plaents by our Maha munis. What I

> > was

> > > > > > saying is do not bring 100% astronomical paralance into

vedic

> > > > > > astrology, as it fails in several areas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you can understand English and hence understand

what

> > I am

> > > > > > saying here.

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Satya ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are talking in the language of Yukthi Vaadis,who

does

> > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > astrology but keep on critizing it.But you are not like

> > > > that.You

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > well aversed in astrology.You may not talk in that

fashion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Rahu & Ketu are astronomical points -Nodes of Moon -

> > > > > > > Philosophically they are the intersection of Atma-Mana

> > padha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Sun and Moon -They are considered as ''Grahas'' by

> > > > > > > Mahamunis.Planet is an English term.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gola ,Ganita,Hora - Mahamunis did not devise anything

for

> > > > > > fun.There

> > > > > > > is a strong basis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similarly the rules for aspect and their evaluations

can be

> > > > > > > objectively measured in a mathematical fashion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of

> > Lord

> > > > > > Vishnu.

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets.

Even

> > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > are not planets astronomically.

> > > > > > > > Astronomy doesn't define planets into different castes

> > like

> > > > > > > Brahmin,

> > > > > > > > Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many

things

> > you

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology

> > thousands

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much

> > later.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you start talking in strict astronomical sense,

> > > > Vedic/Hindu

> > > > > > > > astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest

> > approximation to

> > > > > > > > astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some

> > people

> > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic

astrology,

> > > > let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they

> > are.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine

> > science.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one

> > has to

> > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do

> > not do

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > selectively.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the

> > > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to

us;

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > many concepts not known or lost in the past centuries.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > > <sckursija@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum,

> > > > > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless

> > > > > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own

> > > > > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism

> > > > > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is

not a

> > > > > > > > > healthy way of discussion.

> > > > > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss

> > > > > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology?

The

> > > > > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance

> > > > > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the

> > > > > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based

on

> > > > > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the

> > > > > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be

> > > > > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga

or

> > > > > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets

on

> > > > > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to

look

> > > > > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi

> > > > > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of

birth.

> > > > > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are

> > > > > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the

> > > > > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and

> > > > > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So

> > > > > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we

find

> > > > > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor

of

> > > > > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that

aspect

> > > > > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are

> > > > > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does

> > > > > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same

> > > > > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy.

The

> > > > > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have

converted

> > > > > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of

human

> > > > > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect

> > > > > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The

> > > > > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving

> > > > > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to

fit

> > > > > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself

> > > > > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the

indian

> > > > > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify

> > > > > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present

> > > > > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that

> > > > > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of

rain

> > > > > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events.

> > > > > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have

> > > > > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing

> > > > > > > > > > patience.How many times

> > > > > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in

> > > > > > > > > > which i have

> > > > > > > > > > answered the same question to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -

he

> > > > > > > > > > could notexplain

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you

> > > > > > > > > > think this tactic

> > > > > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what

i

> > > > > > > > > > have said.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Prafulla Gang "

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of

> > > > > > > > > > varga charts? I am

> > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even

> > > > > > > > > > used aspects. You

> > > > > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree

> > > > > > > > > > with his 10th line

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you

agree

> > > > > > > > > > with first 9

> > > > > > > > > > lines

> > > > > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses

> > > > > > > > > > there and so son).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%

> > 40>

> > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS

talks

> > > > > > > > > > about the drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier

> > > > > > > > > > chapter.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or

> > > > > > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of

> > > > > > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha

drishti

> > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > longitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha

> > > > > > > > > > drishtis can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has

> > > > > > > > > > special aspects there

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their

> > > > > > > > > > strength as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer ,translator

> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot have a different view.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on

> > > > > > > > > > varga lordship within

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has

no

> > > > > > > > > > role to play.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand

what

> > > > > > > > > > is what.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for

> > > > > > > > > > those who are still

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my

> > > > > > > > > > understanding in Varga

> > > > > > > > > > Chakras.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late

> > > > > > > > > > Santhanams comment.There

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing more to add.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >