Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Om Datta Guru Dear Prafulla, KNR and Vargas 10) These people claim so much of closeness to KNRao but how come they cant quote a single interaction with him on the Context of this discussion, thats the very basis of KNRs system. How come they can always say KNR said this, KNR told me that, how come they have not asked him the very basis of his system Thankless Students of - KNRao and Sanjay 11) 2 weeks back i was accused by an astrologer to one of my friends that i do not share my methods, do I know astrology enough is the first honest question, next is what use is of sharing astrology. This list has so many members who have learnt from KNRaos brilliant posts on this list from so many yrs and also this list contains students of Sanjay Rath, Visti Larsen and PVR. Have any of those students come forward in explaining the views of their Gurus, some might be busy but i see so many members who are active but refrain from defending their teachers and mentors like KNRao. This is the problem with us, we are all spineless. We might be wrong or right in the astro knowledge but atleast we must come in defence of our teachers but we cant. This is what i referred to PR Astrology earlier and i always repeat true astrology never comes to spineless creatures max one can learn is from what is written but real astrology that works is never written and will never be and hence we find many real parampara people will never write a book, never ever they will write. They know what happens to them after they reveal the real knowledge. Anybody who has travelled in india and met these kinds whom i talk about know what i am talking about. Twins 12) I had replied on this earlier, the very basis of how we see charts is not the most appropriate way. But still someone said that do we use Vargas when we see charts of Twins. Santhanam has written volumes of pages on it those interested can browse his works. In so many nadis there is mention of this, alas there is not a single authority alive who can teach us that real astrology. The point is we are all talking on the external layer when thats not the hardcore foolproof way of seeing charts, what we are doing is kid stuff and only elementary prediction can come out of it that too if we are too capable and blessed. Aspects & Divisional Charts 13) To disprove aspects in the white paper we must first disprove Divisional Charts and then show how to use it, where other writers have gone wrong. It can be selective avoidance of issues addressed here. once a paper is presented it should be so crystal clear n crisp that follow up questions need to be minimal otherwise the paper is poorly written. If i say this is the way to use Navamsha then i must also show u how to use D20, D45 otherwise its like teaching u half way with my half baked knowledge. A person who is crystal clear in his intent with purity would not avoid these questions in his teachings. Frustration 14) Some members who are new here do not have the background to see for how many yrs this discussion has been happening, repeatedly and endlessly. In 2-3 yrs i would have written a book on that topic instead. It is this repeated discussion with selective answering without any practical display of new theories or maybe old ones are what makes us frustrated to reply like this. Why the lack of patience among old members and why they choose to exit out of this group. I always repeat Lack of Moderation is a key issue in this group. Now I must end this and get out of the list, its been a useless waste of energies in the last 1 month. This same topic happens over and over and i still wait for them to erect 13 charts of Sagi lagna to see if it is Sagi lagna or not since the last 1 yr. Still i wait for them to erect more than 15 charts of Mahapurusha yoga to see if MPY is present in it or not. In 1.5 yrs they did not get time to do this, I think it takes 30 mins maximum, hence i avoid discussions as its only Campism here in jyotish forums and no true seeking of knowledge. Today the tables are turned and after 2.5yrs (Shani) one has to taste ones own medicines of Campism and PR astrology. As In Home Alone - Kevin says 'Eat this' or was it in MJ video best wishes Sunil John Mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Sunil John Excellent post. I wanted to convey few of the issues in first few mails. Please read my reply underneath your notes: regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net > > Dear Prafulla, > > > KNR and Vargas > 10) These people claim so much of closeness to KNRao but how come they > cant quote a single interaction with him on the Context of this > discussion, thats the very basis of KNRs system. How come they can > always say KNR said this, KNR told me that, how come they have not asked > him the very basis of his system [Prafulla] Yes - I asked the same questions in my very few early mails on the thread and to my surprise - I received until now - only political answers. Is it not amazing that - such personal references did not carry any discussions on " basics " or they were pure PR astrology posts. I did try to explain Late Santhanam's perspective- as, I morally felt very bad when he was misquoted. > > Thankless Students of - KNRao and Sanjay > 11) 2 weeks back i was accused by an astrologer to one of my friends > that i do not share my methods, do I know astrology enough is the first > honest question, next is what use is of sharing astrology. This list has > so many members who have learnt from KNRaos brilliant posts on this list > from so many yrs and also this list contains students of Sanjay Rath, > Visti Larsen and PVR. Have any of those students come forward in > explaining the views of their Gurus, some might be busy but i see so > many members who are active but refrain from defending their teachers > and mentors like KNRao. This is the problem with us, we are all > spineless. We might be wrong or right in the astro knowledge but atleast > we must come in defence of our teachers but we cant. This is what i > referred to PR Astrology earlier and i always repeat true astrology > never comes to spineless creatures max one can learn is from what is > written but real astrology that works is never written and will never be > and hence we find many real parampara people will never write a book, > never ever they will write. They know what happens to them after they > reveal the real knowledge. Anybody who has travelled in india and met > these kinds whom i talk about know what i am talking about. > [Prafulla] Well Sunil - this is a gray area as to how one should share the knowledge. In past, I too have have through this. But problem is complex. What we read or experiment have to go through observational jyotish, before it can even be shared. I gather so many clues through traditionalists, but often find many missing links in application. I am sorry to know your experience. But I did not read any mail - accusing you of not sharing. It may be private mail? But One suggestion - do share only when, you are very sure of these principles / clues working on consistent basis. Yes - ideally people who have learnt from these great astrologers - must come forward to put their perspective. But as you mentioned - these PR astrology can not help jyotish; and just see how these greats were rediculed for not knowing basics on D charts and people were watching shamelessly. > Twins > 12) I had replied on this earlier, the very basis of how we see charts > is not the most appropriate way. But still someone said that do we use > Vargas when we see charts of Twins. Santhanam has written volumes of > pages on it those interested can browse his works. In so many nadis > there is mention of this, alas there is not a single authority alive who > can teach us that real astrology. The point is we are all talking on the > external layer when thats not the hardcore foolproof way of seeing > charts, what we are doing is kid stuff and only elementary prediction > can come out of it that too if we are too capable and blessed. > > Aspects & Divisional Charts > 13) To disprove aspects in the white paper we must first disprove > Divisional Charts and then show how to use it, where other writers have > gone wrong. It can be selective avoidance of issues addressed here. once > a paper is presented it should be so crystal clear n crisp that follow > up questions need to be minimal otherwise the paper is poorly written. > If i say this is the way to use Navamsha then i must also show u how to > use D20, D45 otherwise its like teaching u half way with my half baked > knowledge. [Prafulla] let us hope that predictive fallacies on D chakra by using contrary (popular) opinion is covered through predictive showcase. But I doubt - as Shri Bharat pointed out that if someone has energy to write 200 mails but ignore most questions. > A person who is crystal clear in his intent with purity would not avoid > these questions in his teachings. > [Prafulla] We can all pray for comprehensive learning material > Frustration > 14) Some members who are new here do not have the background to see for > how many yrs this discussion has been happening, repeatedly and > endlessly. In 2-3 yrs i would have written a book on that topic instead. > It is this repeated discussion with selective answering without any > practical display of new theories or maybe old ones are what makes us > frustrated to reply like this. Why the lack of patience among old > members and why they choose to exit out of this group. I always repeat > Lack of Moderation is a key issue in this group. > > Now I must end this and get out of the list, its been a useless waste of > energies in the last 1 month. This same topic happens over and over and > i still wait for them to erect 13 charts of Sagi lagna to see if it is > Sagi lagna or not since the last 1 yr. Still i wait for them to erect > more than 15 charts of Mahapurusha yoga to see if MPY is present in it > or not. In 1.5 yrs they did not get time to do this, I think it takes 30 > mins maximum, hence i avoid discussions as its only Campism here in > jyotish forums and no true seeking of knowledge. > > Today the tables are turned and after 2.5yrs (Shani) one has to taste > ones own medicines of Campism and PR astrology. As In Home Alone - Kevin > says 'Eat this' or was it in MJ video [Prafulla] well in 2 /3 weeks, I have yet to see reply to a single post asking about predictive application and fallacies. I wonder, how can these theories be even discussed without researcher being ready at primary stage. Ideally, forums must be approached, only when predictive applications and fallacies are properly figured out, compiled and presented. > > best wishes > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Sunil, Excellent post. I just want to say one thing. Though I am not a direct student of Sri KNRao, I learnt a lot from his books and I tried maximum to defend Sri KNRao and his approach. But my final word is, Sri KNRao is beyond all these matters. He might have faced worst opposiion in the past. In my opinion, he doesn't need anyone to defend his approach, as his approach is itself self-defensive. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , " suniljohn_2002 " <suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Prafulla, > > > KNR and Vargas > 10) These people claim so much of closeness to KNRao but how come they > cant quote a single interaction with him on the Context of this > discussion, thats the very basis of KNRs system. How come they can > always say KNR said this, KNR told me that, how come they have not asked > him the very basis of his system > > Thankless Students of - KNRao and Sanjay > 11) 2 weeks back i was accused by an astrologer to one of my friends > that i do not share my methods, do I know astrology enough is the first > honest question, next is what use is of sharing astrology. This list has > so many members who have learnt from KNRaos brilliant posts on this list > from so many yrs and also this list contains students of Sanjay Rath, > Visti Larsen and PVR. Have any of those students come forward in > explaining the views of their Gurus, some might be busy but i see so > many members who are active but refrain from defending their teachers > and mentors like KNRao. This is the problem with us, we are all > spineless. We might be wrong or right in the astro knowledge but atleast > we must come in defence of our teachers but we cant. This is what i > referred to PR Astrology earlier and i always repeat true astrology > never comes to spineless creatures max one can learn is from what is > written but real astrology that works is never written and will never be > and hence we find many real parampara people will never write a book, > never ever they will write. They know what happens to them after they > reveal the real knowledge. Anybody who has travelled in india and met > these kinds whom i talk about know what i am talking about. > > Twins > 12) I had replied on this earlier, the very basis of how we see charts > is not the most appropriate way. But still someone said that do we use > Vargas when we see charts of Twins. Santhanam has written volumes of > pages on it those interested can browse his works. In so many nadis > there is mention of this, alas there is not a single authority alive who > can teach us that real astrology. The point is we are all talking on the > external layer when thats not the hardcore foolproof way of seeing > charts, what we are doing is kid stuff and only elementary prediction > can come out of it that too if we are too capable and blessed. > > Aspects & Divisional Charts > 13) To disprove aspects in the white paper we must first disprove > Divisional Charts and then show how to use it, where other writers have > gone wrong. It can be selective avoidance of issues addressed here. once > a paper is presented it should be so crystal clear n crisp that follow > up questions need to be minimal otherwise the paper is poorly written. > If i say this is the way to use Navamsha then i must also show u how to > use D20, D45 otherwise its like teaching u half way with my half baked > knowledge. > A person who is crystal clear in his intent with purity would not avoid > these questions in his teachings. > > Frustration > 14) Some members who are new here do not have the background to see for > how many yrs this discussion has been happening, repeatedly and > endlessly. In 2-3 yrs i would have written a book on that topic instead. > It is this repeated discussion with selective answering without any > practical display of new theories or maybe old ones are what makes us > frustrated to reply like this. Why the lack of patience among old > members and why they choose to exit out of this group. I always repeat > Lack of Moderation is a key issue in this group. > > Now I must end this and get out of the list, its been a useless waste of > energies in the last 1 month. This same topic happens over and over and > i still wait for them to erect 13 charts of Sagi lagna to see if it is > Sagi lagna or not since the last 1 yr. Still i wait for them to erect > more than 15 charts of Mahapurusha yoga to see if MPY is present in it > or not. In 1.5 yrs they did not get time to do this, I think it takes 30 > mins maximum, hence i avoid discussions as its only Campism here in > jyotish forums and no true seeking of knowledge. > > Today the tables are turned and after 2.5yrs (Shani) one has to taste > ones own medicines of Campism and PR astrology. As In Home Alone - Kevin > says 'Eat this' or was it in MJ video > > best wishes > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 OM Datta Guru Dear Satya, Thanks. I have seen u defend his views, what i meant was that most of the members and some of his direct students have not come forth here to defend him and present technical view points to enhance our knowledge. Earlier when Rao Saheb used to write that he alone went to the Supreme Court to defend on astrology i thought why he is writing so much that no one came to his support now i can truly feel his agony, most of the members who have recd benefit from him is spineless. > But my final word is, Sri KNRao is beyond all these matters. He > might have faced worst opposiion in the past. In my opinion, he > doesn't need anyone to defend his approach, as his approach is > itself self-defensive. very wise statement Satya. best Sunil John Mumbai , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Sunil, > > Excellent post. I just want to say one thing. > Though I am not a direct student of Sri KNRao, I learnt a lot from > his books and I tried maximum to defend Sri KNRao and his approach. > > But my final word is, Sri KNRao is beyond all these matters. He > might have faced worst opposiion in the past. In my opinion, he > doesn't need anyone to defend his approach, as his approach is > itself self-defensive. > > Regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > , " suniljohn_2002 " > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > KNR and Vargas > > 10) These people claim so much of closeness to KNRao but how come > they > > cant quote a single interaction with him on the Context of this > > discussion, thats the very basis of KNRs system. How come they can > > always say KNR said this, KNR told me that, how come they have not > asked > > him the very basis of his system > > > > Thankless Students of - KNRao and Sanjay > > 11) 2 weeks back i was accused by an astrologer to one of my > friends > > that i do not share my methods, do I know astrology enough is the > first > > honest question, next is what use is of sharing astrology. This > list has > > so many members who have learnt from KNRaos brilliant posts on > this list > > from so many yrs and also this list contains students of Sanjay > Rath, > > Visti Larsen and PVR. Have any of those students come forward in > > explaining the views of their Gurus, some might be busy but i see > so > > many members who are active but refrain from defending their > teachers > > and mentors like KNRao. This is the problem with us, we are all > > spineless. We might be wrong or right in the astro knowledge but > atleast > > we must come in defence of our teachers but we cant. This is what > i > > referred to PR Astrology earlier and i always repeat true astrology > > never comes to spineless creatures max one can learn is from what > is > > written but real astrology that works is never written and will > never be > > and hence we find many real parampara people will never write a > book, > > never ever they will write. They know what happens to them after > they > > reveal the real knowledge. Anybody who has travelled in india and > met > > these kinds whom i talk about know what i am talking about. > > > > Twins > > 12) I had replied on this earlier, the very basis of how we see > charts > > is not the most appropriate way. But still someone said that do we > use > > Vargas when we see charts of Twins. Santhanam has written volumes > of > > pages on it those interested can browse his works. In so many nadis > > there is mention of this, alas there is not a single authority > alive who > > can teach us that real astrology. The point is we are all talking > on the > > external layer when thats not the hardcore foolproof way of seeing > > charts, what we are doing is kid stuff and only elementary > prediction > > can come out of it that too if we are too capable and blessed. > > > > Aspects & Divisional Charts > > 13) To disprove aspects in the white paper we must first disprove > > Divisional Charts and then show how to use it, where other writers > have > > gone wrong. It can be selective avoidance of issues addressed > here. once > > a paper is presented it should be so crystal clear n crisp that > follow > > up questions need to be minimal otherwise the paper is poorly > written. > > If i say this is the way to use Navamsha then i must also show u > how to > > use D20, D45 otherwise its like teaching u half way with my half > baked > > knowledge. > > A person who is crystal clear in his intent with purity would not > avoid > > these questions in his teachings. > > > > Frustration > > 14) Some members who are new here do not have the background to > see for > > how many yrs this discussion has been happening, repeatedly and > > endlessly. In 2-3 yrs i would have written a book on that topic > instead. > > It is this repeated discussion with selective answering without any > > practical display of new theories or maybe old ones are what makes > us > > frustrated to reply like this. Why the lack of patience among old > > members and why they choose to exit out of this group. I always > repeat > > Lack of Moderation is a key issue in this group. > > > > Now I must end this and get out of the list, its been a useless > waste of > > energies in the last 1 month. This same topic happens over and > over and > > i still wait for them to erect 13 charts of Sagi lagna to see if > it is > > Sagi lagna or not since the last 1 yr. Still i wait for them to > erect > > more than 15 charts of Mahapurusha yoga to see if MPY is present > in it > > or not. In 1.5 yrs they did not get time to do this, I think it > takes 30 > > mins maximum, hence i avoid discussions as its only Campism here in > > jyotish forums and no true seeking of knowledge. > > > > Today the tables are turned and after 2.5yrs (Shani) one has to > taste > > ones own medicines of Campism and PR astrology. As In Home Alone - > Kevin > > says 'Eat this' or was it in MJ video > > > > best wishes > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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