Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji, you took me otherwise, it was a general question to you. and i dont know why you feel that someone is above my head...it was shocking and....make me feel annoyed. No problem sir, take your time in presenting your research papers, i will be glad if i get chance to learn from it. :-) all persons in forums are friends, and debate is among friends only. Regards, Tarun , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Thanks shri Tarun > > Let our humour sense helps us to stay as friends. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > I am also waiting for your white papers, .. > > > > thanks for making me to laugh :-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > Good attemtpt again.Good luck. > > > > > > Let us wait for the paper.Will you be kind enough to give me that > > > much time.I have attempted many quizzes and have analyzed many > > charts > > > in the list,though from within my own limitations. > > > > > > Shlokas are a must for my debates.The purpose of this debate is > not > > > to check if some techniques works for someone. > > > > > > The purpose is to check whether those are conforming to rules set > > by > > > sages or not.Those who want to invent new are free to do so.My > > > intentions are clear. > > > > > > Pls kindly do not disturb me. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > First of all i dont know to laugh or to feel sad, ....but if u > > > still > > > > think that i have someone above me, then please do consider > > sharing > > > > the names with me/group so that I may also know them. > > > > > > > > i am seeing from last one month that you are just posting > > > > shlokas..........so it make me to ask you abt sanksrit words. > > > > and i thought that asking any sanskrit meaning from such a > > sanskrit > > > > literate person was not a wrong attitude. > > > > > > > > As sanskrit has the biggest vocabulary in world, and even a > > > > single " . " dot can chagne the meaning of phrase. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you have purposefully trying to connect me to " someone " . > > Please > > > > share more informaation about this invisible " somneone " . Your > > > > enlightened mail will help me adding someone above me? I think - > > > > you > > > > will oblige me !! > > > > > > > > and for your relaxation...I always carry my own identity, and > do > > > not > > > > consider forum as fighting ground. You must appreciate that, I > > did > > > > make reasonable request to you. My asking you question should > not > > > be > > > > bugging you? > > > > > > > > I again please you to reveal the hidden names in your mind who > > are > > > > behind me, or donot write such things for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > As Bhagwan Shiva is above me :-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views. > > > > > I do not know anything and i accept it.The day i consider > > myself > > > a > > > > > Guru,my vehicle will go in the wrong direction as you have > > > rightly > > > > > said. > > > > > > > > > > As long as Lord Shankara guides me my vehicle will go in the > > > right > > > > > direction. > > > > > > > > > > You will get practical examples in my paper. > > > > > > > > > > You can only ignore my vaid questions as the ones who are > > guiding > > > > you > > > > > is doing.But how long? > > > > > > > > > > From day 1 ,i knew your intention and hence the delay in > > touching > > > > > your chart. > > > > > If you think ,what you are doing is right,then carry on. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > > > because > > > > u > > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any > knowledge > > of > > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > > practicality > > > of > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better > > instead > > > of > > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas > > as > > > > you > > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > > charts > > > > > not > > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > > > some > > > > of > > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > doubt,as > > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your > mind.But > > > pls > > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which > > can > > > > read > > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > > people.Kindly > > > > > do > > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to > > be > > > > read > > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > > amshaka > > > > > are > > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > > > > numerous > > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as > my > > > > posts > > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that > > no > > > > one > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > > interpretation > > > of > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > > knowledge > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters > and > > > > Sages > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a > common > > > one > > > > > and > > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > > > > gentleman > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > > > > guiding > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others > > engaged > > > > in > > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > hands.Astrology > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that > you > > > will > > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a > letter > > > > from > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is > > related > > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji, sorry for replying you late. Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I observed that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's note. It is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish technique or sages - as they all were at different yuga. But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri Pradeep's argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, but learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this reasonings and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi and all those are equally or not less relevant. Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's translations. I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with reference to a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my friend called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum experts. But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - all these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us move ahead in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. Regards, Tarun , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Tarun ji, > > Further to my note: > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where he > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So perhaps - > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all fairness > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge base. > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen to > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized he > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with popular > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be the > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to predict > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including nadi > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues (implying - > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust me > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we have > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience influenced > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive approach; > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until we > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this birth. > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - this > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must respect > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > understanding of D charts. > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am of the > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation on > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; but > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his white > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting for > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing often > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt because u > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality of all. > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead of > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as you > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by charts not > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are some of > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is exactly > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But pls > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which can read > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > understand > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning people.Kindly do > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be read > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and amshaka are > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at numerous > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my posts > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no one > > > has > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation of all > > > > the > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any knowledge in > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and Sages as > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common one and > > > > > forms > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the gentleman > > > > having > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) guiding > > > > you > > > > > or > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged in > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their hands.Astrology is > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you will > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter from > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > > > > specially > > > > > > to > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Shri Pradeep ji, A quick note. No - his interpretation model on transit is solely connected to different D1 chart..I am sure of him not using your interpretation model. Just landed at work and will reply this in more detail (along with answer to Shri Ash's queries also) during the course of the day. regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > Thanks for sharing your experiences. > > I would say if basics are not set right,we can never be right.Your > village jyotishi knows his basics right.If he had mugged up some > shlokas,like navamsha tulya etc are start applying,then he would not > have earned your respect. > > He knows what is navamsha,how it is related to rashi and in the > particular chart how it is relating to various bhavas.Hence he could > easily reconstruct various charts within Rashi.The whole purpose of > my debate is for this alone. > > If our foundations are strong -we can errect any number of > floors.Thus it might be worth checking if they are so or not.I have a > good collection of charts with authentic info and observing life > events,w.r to dasha/antardasha and transits is my way of learning. > > Shlokas are needed in this debate?why?There is a glimmer of hope that > we would listen to what the sages have said.As my interpretations > have no value,i have quoted many giants coming from the uncorrupted > era. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > Further to my note: > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where > he > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > perhaps - > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > fairness > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge > base. > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen > to > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized > he > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with > popular > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be > the > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > predict > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including > nadi > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > (implying - > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust > me > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we > have > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > influenced > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > approach; > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until > we > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this > birth. > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - > this > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must > respect > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am > of the > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation > on > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; > but > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his > white > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting > for > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing > often > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > because u > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > of all. > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead > of > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as > you > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > charts not > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > some of > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > exactly > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But > pls > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which can > read > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > understand > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > people.Kindly do > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be > read > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > amshaka are > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > numerous > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my > posts > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no > one > > > > has > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > of all > > > > > the > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > knowledge in > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > Sages as > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common > one and > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > gentleman > > > > > having > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > guiding > > > > > you > > > > > > or > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged > in > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you > will > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter > from > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > > > > > specially > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji Thanks for the point. Pls post in detail as it will be educative.Then it is not my model.I use many methods,as advised by sages.But there are 1000's of other techniques which i am yet to learn and your posts will be helpful. I accept as long as they do not violate fundamentals.The reason is simple,we can do any research within the frame work of jyotish fundamentals and it will be great ..But NO ONE ,i repeat NO ONE can rewrite Jyotish FUNDAMENTALS. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji, > > A quick note. > > No - his interpretation model on transit is solely connected to > different D1 chart..I am sure of him not using your interpretation model. > > Just landed at work and will reply this in more detail (along with > answer to Shri Ash's queries also) during the course of the day. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your experiences. > > > > I would say if basics are not set right,we can never be right.Your > > village jyotishi knows his basics right.If he had mugged up some > > shlokas,like navamsha tulya etc are start applying,then he would not > > have earned your respect. > > > > He knows what is navamsha,how it is related to rashi and in the > > particular chart how it is relating to various bhavas.Hence he could > > easily reconstruct various charts within Rashi.The whole purpose of > > my debate is for this alone. > > > > If our foundations are strong -we can errect any number of > > floors.Thus it might be worth checking if they are so or not.I have a > > good collection of charts with authentic info and observing life > > events,w.r to dasha/antardasha and transits is my way of learning. > > > > Shlokas are needed in this debate?why?There is a glimmer of hope that > > we would listen to what the sages have said.As my interpretations > > have no value,i have quoted many giants coming from the uncorrupted > > era. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where > > he > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > > perhaps - > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > > fairness > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge > > base. > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen > > to > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized > > he > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with > > popular > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be > > the > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > > predict > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including > > nadi > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > > (implying - > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust > > me > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we > > have > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > > influenced > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > > approach; > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until > > we > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this > > birth. > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - > > this > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must > > respect > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am > > of the > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation > > on > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; > > but > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his > > white > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting > > for > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing > > often > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > > because u > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead > > of > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as > > you > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > charts not > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > > some of > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > > exactly > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But > > pls > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which can > > read > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > > understand > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be > > read > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > amshaka are > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > > numerous > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my > > posts > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no > > one > > > > > has > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > > of all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > > Sages as > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common > > one and > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > > gentleman > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > > guiding > > > > > > you > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged > > in > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you > > will > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter > > from > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Shri Tarun All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on any Trimshamsha Chakras. Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA-amsha interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka alone has to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya sage has mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for same purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have mentioned. If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be read from Rashi,our job is easy. Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question instead of targetting me. Regds Pradeep , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > sorry for replying you late. > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I observed > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's note. It > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish technique or > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri Pradeep's > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, but > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this reasonings > and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi and all > those are equally or not less relevant. > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's > translations. > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with reference to > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my friend > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum experts. > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - all > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us move ahead > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > Further to my note: > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where > he > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > perhaps - > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > fairness > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge > base. > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen > to > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized > he > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with > popular > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be > the > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > predict > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including > nadi > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > (implying - > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust > me > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we > have > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > influenced > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > approach; > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until > we > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this > birth. > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - > this > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must > respect > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am > of the > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation > on > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; > but > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his > white > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting > for > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing > often > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > because u > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > of all. > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead > of > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as > you > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > charts not > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > some of > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > exactly > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But > pls > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which can > read > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > understand > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > people.Kindly do > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be > read > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > amshaka are > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > numerous > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my > posts > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no > one > > > > has > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > of all > > > > > the > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > knowledge in > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > Sages as > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common > one and > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > gentleman > > > > > having > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > guiding > > > > > you > > > > > > or > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged > in > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you > will > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter > from > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > > > > > specially > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji, How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's mind...or what is his methods. I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and if you want me to ask him that i can do one thing for you that to post your mail to Rafal, he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji tell in his parampara. From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting you...........but i am asking you to provide your white papers you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said if you can provide your reading model , one can easily understand what is your method and how predictions can be made and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in SJC forums, than i must tell you that there are 3 spirits with named " Tarun " on all Forum. >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member >>>and me Tarun agarwal As i donot have any personal intereaction with Sanjay Rath, i cant provide you material about his views on this topic as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri Pradeep had a major discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric references. He did not agree to them and kept on arguing - this shows he is convinced of this as a fact). Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will not understand any Tarka or Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as pramana since it is a book). " " " were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was above me ???????? Regards, Tarun PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen in archives in mail # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your works. .. and i guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara / Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can yourself ask them by personal mails, if they are interested in your post - they will reply you definately , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Tarun > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on any > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA-amsha > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka alone has > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya sage has > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for same > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have mentioned. > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be read from > Rashi,our job is easy. > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question instead of > targetting me. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > sorry for replying you late. > > > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri > > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I > observed > > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's note. > It > > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish technique > or > > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri > Pradeep's > > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, but > > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this > reasonings > > and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi and > all > > those are equally or not less relevant. > > > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's > > translations. > > > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the > > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with reference > to > > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my friend > > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum > experts. > > > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - all > > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us move > ahead > > > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - > where > > he > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make > such > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > > perhaps - > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > > fairness > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > knowledge > > base. > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I > happen > > to > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast > jyotish > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I > realized > > he > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being > a > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for > transit > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I > interpret; > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with > > popular > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint > that > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern > explanation to > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should > be > > the > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > > predict > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques > including > > nadi > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - > but > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he > did > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > > (implying - > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed > differently). > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I > sincerely > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but > trust > > me > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we > do > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we > nail > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts > and > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what > we > > have > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his > reasonings > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we > use. > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > > influenced > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > > approach; > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may > be > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - > until > > we > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - > at > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from > this > > birth. > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - > > > this > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very > thought > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must > > respect > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and > am > > of the > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / > presentation > > on > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent > approach; > > but > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of > his > > white > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly > waiting > > for > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing > > often > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all > forum > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > > because u > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge > of > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > practicality > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better > instead > > of > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas > as > > you > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > charts not > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > > some of > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > doubt,as > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > > exactly > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But > > pls > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which > can > > read > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > > understand > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to > be > > read > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > amshaka are > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > > numerous > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as > my > > posts > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that > no > > one > > > > > has > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > interpretation > > of all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > > Sages as > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common > > one and > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > > gentleman > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > > guiding > > > > > > you > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others > engaged > > in > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you > > will > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a > letter > > from > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is > related > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Shri Tarun Nobody gave me any shastric references.It is the personal opinion of Shri Bharat.He has every right to have a personal opinion on me.So let Bharath bhai enjoy. Do you think,if Shri Rath or Shri PVR Rao had given me any proof,others will not quote that during our recent discussions? Only shloka that shri Rao had quoted was Lagnashadvargake shloka - which is discussed here as well.As per BPHS and Late Santhanam,aspects are not possible and thus that shloka is ruled out. Now if you can write to me,you can write to shri Rath as well.If you can clarify things with me you can do the same with others as well. Whether you want to ask or not ,pls keep in mind that BPHS contradicts the view expressed by Shri Rath.Thus before writing any mail to me,get this clarified if you are honest. Regds Pradeep , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's mind...or what is his > methods. > I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and if you want me to ask > him that i can do one thing for you that to post your mail to Rafal, > he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji tell in his parampara. > > From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting you...........but i > am asking you to provide your white papers > you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said if you can provide > your reading model , one can easily understand what is your method > and how predictions can be made > > and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in SJC forums, than i must > tell you that there are 3 spirits with named " Tarun " on all Forum. > > >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. > >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member > >>>and me Tarun agarwal > > As i donot have any personal intereaction with Sanjay Rath, i cant > provide you material about his views on this topic > > as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri Pradeep had a major > discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri Sanjay > Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric references. He did not > agree to > them and kept on arguing - this shows he is convinced of this as a > fact). > Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will not understand any > Tarka or > Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as pramana since it is a > book). > " " " > were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was above me ???????? > > Regards, > Tarun > > PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen in archives in mail > # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your works. .. and i > guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara / > Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can yourself ask them by > personal mails, if they are interested in your post - they will reply > you definately > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on any > > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA-amsha > > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka alone has > > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya sage has > > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for same > > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have mentioned. > > > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be read from > > Rashi,our job is easy. > > > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question instead of > > targetting me. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > > > sorry for replying you late. > > > > > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri > > > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I > > observed > > > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's > note. > > It > > > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish > technique > > or > > > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > > > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri > > Pradeep's > > > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, but > > > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this > > reasonings > > > and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi and > > all > > > those are equally or not less relevant. > > > > > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's > > > translations. > > > > > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the > > > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with > reference > > to > > > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my friend > > > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum > > experts. > > > > > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - all > > > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us move > > ahead > > > > > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - > > where > > > he > > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading > the > > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make > > such > > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > > > perhaps - > > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > > > fairness > > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > > knowledge > > > base. > > > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I > > happen > > > to > > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast > > jyotish > > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I > > realized > > > he > > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. > Being > > a > > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for > > transit > > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I > > interpret; > > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with > > > popular > > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint > > that > > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern > > explanation to > > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should > > be > > > the > > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > > > predict > > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques > > including > > > nadi > > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - > > but > > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But > he > > did > > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > > > (implying - > > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed > > differently). > > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose > his > > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I > > sincerely > > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but > > trust > > > me > > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we > > do > > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we > > nail > > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts > > and > > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what > > we > > > have > > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his > > reasonings > > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we > > use. > > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > > > influenced > > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > > > approach; > > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all > may > > be > > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - > > until > > > we > > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - > > > at > > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from > > this > > > birth. > > > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust > me - > > > > > this > > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very > > thought > > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we > must > > > respect > > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and > > am > > > of the > > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / > > presentation > > > on > > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent > > approach; > > > but > > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of > > his > > > white > > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly > > waiting > > > for > > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such > publishing > > > often > > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all > > forum > > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > > > because u > > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any > knowledge > > of > > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > > practicality > > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better > > instead > > > of > > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas > > as > > > you > > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > > charts not > > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are > > > some of > > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > > doubt,as > > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply > is > > > exactly > > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your > mind.But > > > pls > > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something which > > can > > > read > > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to > > be > > > read > > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > > amshaka are > > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at > > > numerous > > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as > > my > > > posts > > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that > > no > > > one > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > > interpretation > > > of all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters > and > > > Sages as > > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a > common > > > one and > > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > > > gentleman > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis) > > > guiding > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others > > engaged > > > in > > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that > you > > > will > > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a > > letter > > > from > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is > > related > > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji, What HONEST HONEST ???? this is 2nd mail in which you have used such words... whatever is in your mind speak clearly. Now reading the past years discussion in the forum , what i have seen that all persons including KN Rao ji, PVR ji , Sanjay Rath ji. and many others have asked you to provide your reading methods so that they can learn from you...even in 2005 and since then you have not provided your Research Papers. ..what about that. What it shows ??? and i can mail Shri Rath, but do u think that he is enough free to answer your questions ??? Regards, Tarun , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Tarun > > Nobody gave me any shastric references.It is the personal opinion of > Shri Bharat.He has every right to have a personal opinion on me.So > let Bharath bhai enjoy. > > Do you think,if Shri Rath or Shri PVR Rao had given me any > proof,others will not quote that during our recent discussions? > > Only shloka that shri Rao had quoted was Lagnashadvargake shloka - > which is discussed here as well.As per BPHS and Late > Santhanam,aspects are not possible and thus that shloka is ruled out. > > Now if you can write to me,you can write to shri Rath as well.If you > can clarify things with me you can do the same with others as well. > > Whether you want to ask or not ,pls keep in mind that BPHS > contradicts the view expressed by Shri Rath.Thus before writing any > mail to me,get this clarified if you are honest. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's mind...or what is > his > > methods. > > I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and if you want me to > ask > > him that i can do one thing for you that to post your mail to > Rafal, > > he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji tell in his parampara. > > > > From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting you...........but > i > > am asking you to provide your white papers > > you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said if you can > provide > > your reading model , one can easily understand what is your method > > and how predictions can be made > > > > and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in SJC forums, than i > must > > tell you that there are 3 spirits with named " Tarun " on all Forum. > > > > >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. > > >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member > > >>>and me Tarun agarwal > > > > As i donot have any personal intereaction with Sanjay Rath, i cant > > provide you material about his views on this topic > > > > as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri Pradeep had a > major > > discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri Sanjay > > Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric references. He did not > > agree to > > them and kept on arguing - this shows he is convinced of this as a > > fact). > > Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will not understand any > > Tarka or > > Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as pramana since it is > a > > book). > > " " " > > were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was above me ???????? > > > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen in archives in > mail > > # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your works. .. and i > > guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara / > > Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can yourself ask them > by > > personal mails, if they are interested in your post - they will > reply > > you definately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on any > > > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > > > > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA-amsha > > > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka alone > has > > > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya sage > has > > > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for > same > > > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have > mentioned. > > > > > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be read > from > > > Rashi,our job is easy. > > > > > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question instead > of > > > targetting me. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying you late. > > > > > > > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri > > > > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I > > > observed > > > > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's > > note. > > > It > > > > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish > > technique > > > or > > > > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > > > > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri > > > Pradeep's > > > > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, but > > > > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this > > > reasonings > > > > and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi > and > > > all > > > > those are equally or not less relevant. > > > > > > > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's > > > > translations. > > > > > > > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the > > > > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with > > reference > > > to > > > > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my > friend > > > > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum > > > experts. > > > > > > > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - > all > > > > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us move > > > ahead > > > > > > > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - > > > where > > > > he > > > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After > reading > > the > > > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to > make > > > such > > > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > > > > perhaps - > > > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all > > > > fairness > > > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > > > knowledge > > > > base. > > > > > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I > > > happen > > > > to > > > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast > > > jyotish > > > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started > discussing > > > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations > (which > > > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I > > > realized > > > > he > > > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. > > Being > > > a > > > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for > > > transit > > > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I > > > interpret; > > > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line > with > > > > popular > > > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did > hint > > > that > > > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern > > > explanation to > > > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what > should > > > be > > > > the > > > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used > to > > > > predict > > > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques > > > including > > > > nadi > > > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so > on - > > > but > > > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. > But > > he > > > did > > > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that > bhava > > > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > > > > (implying - > > > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed > > > differently). > > > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to > disclose > > his > > > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I > > > sincerely > > > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but > > > trust > > > > me > > > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do > we > > > do > > > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can > we > > > nail > > > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D > charts > > > and > > > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with > what > > > we > > > > have > > > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his > > > reasonings > > > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what > we > > > use. > > > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and > the > > > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > > > > influenced > > > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > > > > approach; > > > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all > > may > > > be > > > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - > > > until > > > > we > > > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all > jyotishi - > > > > > at > > > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from > > > this > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust > > me - > > > > > > > this > > > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very > > > thought > > > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we > > must > > > > respect > > > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts > and > > > am > > > > of the > > > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / > > > presentation > > > > on > > > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent > > > approach; > > > > but > > > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule > of > > > his > > > > white > > > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly > > > waiting > > > > for > > > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such > > publishing > > > > often > > > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all > > > forum > > > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt > > > > because u > > > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any > > knowledge > > > of > > > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > > > practicality > > > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting > shlokas > > > as > > > > you > > > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by > your > > > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it > by > > > > charts not > > > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc > are > > > > some of > > > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > > > doubt,as > > > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your > reply > > is > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your > > mind.But > > > > pls > > > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something > which > > > can > > > > read > > > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i > can > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has > to > > > be > > > > read > > > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha > and > > > > amshaka are > > > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but > at > > > > numerous > > > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me > as > > > my > > > > posts > > > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say > that > > > no > > > > one > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > > > interpretation > > > > of all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters > > and > > > > Sages as > > > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a > > common > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the > > > > gentleman > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > > > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals > (mis) > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others > > > engaged > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that > > you > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a > > > letter > > > > from > > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is > > > related > > > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hello, Have any of the people you have mentioned given their method of anlyzing divisions used as charts ? Saying use dashamsha for career does not tell one how to use dashamsha for career does it? Let say they say use dashamsha as a separate chart, with aspects, yogas etc. So how does one go about it ? if one sees rajyoga in so called dashamsha does it trump any yoga in rashi chart or vice versa ? If a planet is involved in rajyoga in dashamsha will it give great sucess if badly placed or functional malefic or not at all connected with the 10th house. Has anyone given these answers in full or detail. Making references to what is seen in dashamsha does not make it a technique nor does it tell what weightage was given to the said parameter coming from a division. Was it done to fill up space in an article. Satish --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > Dear Pradeep ji, > > What HONEST HONEST ???? this is 2nd mail in which > you have used such > words... > > whatever is in your mind speak clearly. > > Now reading the past years discussion in the forum , > what i have seen > that all persons including KN Rao ji, PVR ji , > Sanjay Rath ji. and > many others have asked you to provide your reading > methods so that > they can learn from you...even in 2005 and since > then you have not > provided your Research Papers. ..what about that. > What it shows ??? > > and i can mail Shri Rath, but do u think that he is > enough free to > answer your questions ??? > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > , > " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > Nobody gave me any shastric references.It is the > personal opinion > of > > Shri Bharat.He has every right to have a personal > opinion on me.So > > let Bharath bhai enjoy. > > > > Do you think,if Shri Rath or Shri PVR Rao had > given me any > > proof,others will not quote that during our recent > discussions? > > > > Only shloka that shri Rao had quoted was > Lagnashadvargake shloka - > > which is discussed here as well.As per BPHS and > Late > > Santhanam,aspects are not possible and thus that > shloka is ruled > out. > > > > Now if you can write to me,you can write to shri > Rath as well.If > you > > can clarify things with me you can do the same > with others as well. > > > > Whether you want to ask or not ,pls keep in mind > that BPHS > > contradicts the view expressed by Shri Rath.Thus > before writing any > > mail to me,get this clarified if you are honest. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's > mind...or what is > > his > > > methods. > > > I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and > if you want me to > > ask > > > him that i can do one thing for you that to post > your mail to > > Rafal, > > > he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji > tell in his > parampara. > > > > > > From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting > you...........but > > i > > > am asking you to provide your white papers > > > you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said > if you can > > provide > > > your reading model , one can easily understand > what is your > method > > > and how predictions can be made > > > > > > and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in > SJC forums, than i > > must > > > tell you that there are 3 spirits with named > " Tarun " on all Forum. > > > > > > >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. > > > >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member > > > >>>and me Tarun agarwal > > > > > > As i donot have any personal intereaction with > Sanjay Rath, i > cant > > > provide you material about his views on this > topic > > > > > > as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri > Pradeep had a > > major > > > discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri > Sanjay > > > Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric > references. He did not > > > agree to > > > them and kept on arguing - this shows he is > convinced of this as > a > > > fact). > > > Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will > not understand any > > > Tarka or > > > Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as > pramana since it is > > a > > > book). > > > " " " > > > were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was > above me ???????? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen > in archives in > > mail > > > # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your > works. .. and i > > > guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara > / > > > Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can > yourself ask them > > by > > > personal mails, if they are interested in your > post - they will > > reply > > > you definately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala > had mentioned on > any > > > > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > > > > > > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you > regarding amshaKA-amsha > > > > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had > said Amshaka alone > > has > > > > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha > phala adhyaya sage > > has > > > > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in > similar context for > > same > > > > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as > you have > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks > ''Amshaka'' is to be read > > from > > > > Rashi,our job is easy. > > > > > > > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple > question instead > > of > > > > targetting me. > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. 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Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear shri Tarun I have no magic to offer.I go by plain basics and have analyzed many charts on the list. The point is as the amshaka-amsha theory of Shri Rath is no more valid as per BPHS,are you still going to blame me or not.Simple question. Moreover,can anyone give a google search today and find amshaka references from shri Rath - No. Where have they gone all off a sudden?.Simple but important questions. Regds Pradeep , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > What HONEST HONEST ???? this is 2nd mail in which you have used such > words... > > whatever is in your mind speak clearly. > > Now reading the past years discussion in the forum , what i have seen > that all persons including KN Rao ji, PVR ji , Sanjay Rath ji. and > many others have asked you to provide your reading methods so that > they can learn from you...even in 2005 and since then you have not > provided your Research Papers. ..what about that. What it shows ??? > > and i can mail Shri Rath, but do u think that he is enough free to > answer your questions ??? > > Regards, > > Tarun > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > Nobody gave me any shastric references.It is the personal opinion > of > > Shri Bharat.He has every right to have a personal opinion on me.So > > let Bharath bhai enjoy. > > > > Do you think,if Shri Rath or Shri PVR Rao had given me any > > proof,others will not quote that during our recent discussions? > > > > Only shloka that shri Rao had quoted was Lagnashadvargake shloka - > > which is discussed here as well.As per BPHS and Late > > Santhanam,aspects are not possible and thus that shloka is ruled > out. > > > > Now if you can write to me,you can write to shri Rath as well.If > you > > can clarify things with me you can do the same with others as well. > > > > Whether you want to ask or not ,pls keep in mind that BPHS > > contradicts the view expressed by Shri Rath.Thus before writing any > > mail to me,get this clarified if you are honest. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's mind...or what is > > his > > > methods. > > > I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and if you want me to > > ask > > > him that i can do one thing for you that to post your mail to > > Rafal, > > > he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji tell in his > parampara. > > > > > > From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting you...........but > > i > > > am asking you to provide your white papers > > > you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said if you can > > provide > > > your reading model , one can easily understand what is your > method > > > and how predictions can be made > > > > > > and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in SJC forums, than i > > must > > > tell you that there are 3 spirits with named " Tarun " on all Forum. > > > > > > >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. > > > >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member > > > >>>and me Tarun agarwal > > > > > > As i donot have any personal intereaction with Sanjay Rath, i > cant > > > provide you material about his views on this topic > > > > > > as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri Pradeep had a > > major > > > discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri Sanjay > > > Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric references. He did not > > > agree to > > > them and kept on arguing - this shows he is convinced of this as > a > > > fact). > > > Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will not understand any > > > Tarka or > > > Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as pramana since it is > > a > > > book). > > > " " " > > > were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was above me ???????? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen in archives in > > mail > > > # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your works. .. and i > > > guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara / > > > Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can yourself ask them > > by > > > personal mails, if they are interested in your post - they will > > reply > > > you definately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on > any > > > > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > > > > > > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA- amsha > > > > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka alone > > has > > > > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya sage > > has > > > > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for > > same > > > > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be read > > from > > > > Rashi,our job is easy. > > > > > > > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question instead > > of > > > > targetting me. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > > > > > > > sorry for replying you late. > > > > > > > > > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed Shri > > > > > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I > > > > observed > > > > > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri Pradeep's > > > note. > > > > It > > > > > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish > > > technique > > > > or > > > > > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > > > > > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri > > > > Pradeep's > > > > > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, > but > > > > > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this > > > > reasonings > > > > > and clarification that - there is much more than Dashadhyayi > > and > > > > all > > > > > those are equally or not less relevant. > > > > > > > > > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep ji's > > > > > translations. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain the > > > > > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with > > > reference > > > > to > > > > > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my > > friend > > > > > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through forum > > > > experts. > > > > > > > > > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and eventually - > > all > > > > > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us > move > > > > ahead > > > > > > > > > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - > > > > > where > > > > > he > > > > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After > > reading > > > the > > > > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to > > make > > > > such > > > > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So > > > > > perhaps - > > > > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in > all > > > > > fairness > > > > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > > > > knowledge > > > > > base. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I > > > > happen > > > > > to > > > > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast > > > > jyotish > > > > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started > > discussing > > > > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations > > (which > > > > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I > > > > realized > > > > > he > > > > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. > > > Being > > > > a > > > > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for > > > > transit > > > > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I > > > > interpret; > > > > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line > > with > > > > > popular > > > > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did > > hint > > > > that > > > > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern > > > > explanation to > > > > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what > > should > > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used > > to > > > > > predict > > > > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even > dasa > > > > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques > > > > including > > > > > nadi > > > > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so > > on - > > > > but > > > > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. > > But > > > he > > > > did > > > > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that > > bhava > > > > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > > > > > (implying - > > > > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed > > > > differently). > > > > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to > > disclose > > > his > > > > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I > > > > sincerely > > > > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, > but > > > > trust > > > > > me > > > > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what > do > > we > > > > do > > > > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can > > we > > > > nail > > > > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D > > charts > > > > and > > > > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was > his > > > > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with > > what > > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his > > > > reasonings > > > > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from > what > > we > > > > use. > > > > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions > and > > the > > > > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > > > > > influenced > > > > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive > > > > > approach; > > > > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we > all > > > may > > > > be > > > > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - > > > > > until > > > > > we > > > > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all > > jyotishi - > > > > > > > at > > > > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated > from > > > > this > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. > Trust > > > me - > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very > > > > thought > > > > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we > > > must > > > > > respect > > > > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of > popular > > > > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts > > and > > > > am > > > > > of the > > > > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / > > > > presentation > > > > > on > > > > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent > > > > approach; > > > > > but > > > > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule > > of > > > > his > > > > > white > > > > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly > > > > waiting > > > > > for > > > > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > > > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such > > > publishing > > > > > often > > > > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we > all > > > > forum > > > > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you > didnt > > > > > because u > > > > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any > > > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > > > > practicality > > > > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better > > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting > > shlokas > > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by > > your > > > > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it > > by > > > > > charts not > > > > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc > > are > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > > > > doubt,as > > > > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your > > reply > > > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your > > > mind.But > > > > > pls > > > > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something > > which > > > > can > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i > > can > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' > has > > to > > > > be > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha > > and > > > > > amshaka are > > > > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but > > at > > > > > numerous > > > > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me > > as > > > > my > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say > > that > > > > no > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > > > > interpretation > > > > > of all > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting > Masters > > > and > > > > > Sages as > > > > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a > > > common > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request > the > > > > > gentleman > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > > > > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many individuals > > (mis) > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting others > > > > engaged > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure > that > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a > > > > letter > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is > > > > related > > > > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji, As your discussions go to long email exchanges, i will please you to personally mail on sohamsa or forum, there Shri Rath reads most of the mails and you can find his shishyas to reply you. And i am not so big astrologer that Shri Sanjay Rath would respond me either. Now Regarding Google Search and finding shri Rath's article on amshaka etc.....is a part of Website marketing and pages which google list. so finally i would suggest you to join SJC Astrology forum ,Shri Visti's group on his website or Shri Rath's forum on his website. I hope you can find out there Forums. Regards Tarun , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear shri Tarun > > I have no magic to offer.I go by plain basics and have analyzed many > charts on the list. > > The point is as the amshaka-amsha theory of Shri Rath is no more > valid as per BPHS,are you still going to blame me or not.Simple > question. > > Moreover,can anyone give a google search today and find amshaka > references from shri Rath - No. > Where have they gone all off a sudden?.Simple but important > questions. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > What HONEST HONEST ???? this is 2nd mail in which you have used > such > > words... > > > > whatever is in your mind speak clearly. > > > > Now reading the past years discussion in the forum , what i have > seen > > that all persons including KN Rao ji, PVR ji , Sanjay Rath ji. and > > many others have asked you to provide your reading methods so that > > they can learn from you...even in 2005 and since then you have not > > provided your Research Papers. ..what about that. What it shows ??? > > > > and i can mail Shri Rath, but do u think that he is enough free to > > answer your questions ??? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > Nobody gave me any shastric references.It is the personal > opinion > > of > > > Shri Bharat.He has every right to have a personal opinion on > me.So > > > let Bharath bhai enjoy. > > > > > > Do you think,if Shri Rath or Shri PVR Rao had given me any > > > proof,others will not quote that during our recent discussions? > > > > > > Only shloka that shri Rao had quoted was Lagnashadvargake > shloka - > > > which is discussed here as well.As per BPHS and Late > > > Santhanam,aspects are not possible and thus that shloka is ruled > > out. > > > > > > Now if you can write to me,you can write to shri Rath as well.If > > you > > > can clarify things with me you can do the same with others as > well. > > > > > > Whether you want to ask or not ,pls keep in mind that BPHS > > > contradicts the view expressed by Shri Rath.Thus before writing > any > > > mail to me,get this clarified if you are honest. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > How would i tell what is in sanjay Rath ji's mind...or what > is > > > his > > > > methods. > > > > I am neither his student nor a part of SJC and if you want me > to > > > ask > > > > him that i can do one thing for you that to post your mail to > > > Rafal, > > > > he would be glad to suggest you what Rath ji tell in his > > parampara. > > > > > > > > From the first day ...as u think i m Targetting > you...........but > > > i > > > > am asking you to provide your white papers > > > > you quote shloka shloka shloka, ...and so i said if you can > > > provide > > > > your reading model , one can easily understand what is your > > method > > > > and how predictions can be made > > > > > > > > and..if you are confused by the name Tarun in SJC forums, than > i > > > must > > > > tell you that there are 3 spirits with named " Tarun " on all > Forum. > > > > > > > > >>>tarun chopra with ayanamsa of own. > > > > >>>Tarun Garg who is sjc member > > > > >>>and me Tarun agarwal > > > > > > > > As i donot have any personal intereaction with Sanjay Rath, i > > cant > > > > provide you material about his views on this topic > > > > > > > > as shri Bharat said in mail # 16622 that " " Sri Pradeep had a > > > major > > > > discussion with Sri PVR Narasimha Rao and Sri Sanjay > > > > Rath and both gave him proofs and shastric references. He did > not > > > > agree to > > > > them and kept on arguing - this shows he is convinced of this > as > > a > > > > fact). > > > > Once he is convinced, it is sure that he will not understand > any > > > > Tarka or > > > > Pramana (as such he does not consider Veda as pramana since it > is > > > a > > > > book). > > > > " " " > > > > were you in an idea that shri Sanjay ji was above me ???????? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS: one more line to be added --- as I have seen in archives > in > > > mail > > > > # 4330 , shri PVR also some notes you about your works. .. and > i > > > > guess someday you will tell me to ask Parashara / > > > > Gemini / .etc...that too i cannot do, you can yourself ask > them > > > by > > > > personal mails, if they are interested in your post - they > will > > > reply > > > > you definately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > All are important.Let us see if Bhattotpala had mentioned on > > any > > > > > Trimshamsha Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > Now i have'nt seen any concern from you regarding amshaKA- > amsha > > > > > interpretation from shri Rath.Shri Rath had said Amshaka > alone > > > has > > > > > to be read from Rashi chakra.In Karakamsha phala adhyaya > sage > > > has > > > > > mentioned Mithunamsha and VrishamshKA in similar context for > > > same > > > > > purpose,without any confusion for ''.'' etc as you have > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > If shri Rath tells us why he thinks ''Amshaka'' is to be > read > > > from > > > > > Rashi,our job is easy. > > > > > > > > > > Are you a honest student.Then ask this simple question > instead > > > of > > > > > targetting me. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for replying you late. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since most do not understand sanskrit, I have observed > Shri > > > > > > Chandrasekhar discussing on sanskrit interpretation. and I > > > > > observed > > > > > > that his interpretation was bit contradicting shri > Pradeep's > > > > note. > > > > > It > > > > > > is impossible to prove supremecy of any specific jyotish > > > > technique > > > > > or > > > > > > sages - as they all were at different yuga. > > > > > > But Shri Chandrasekhar's view explicitly suggest that Shri > > > > > Pradeep's > > > > > > argument is one sided. I have not read those commentaries, > > but > > > > > > learned people like Chandrasekhar ji has clarified in this > > > > > reasonings > > > > > > and clarification that - there is much more than > Dashadhyayi > > > and > > > > > all > > > > > > those are equally or not less relevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since he has also categorically raised doubts on Pradeep > ji's > > > > > > translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that - we must wait for him to explain > the > > > > > > misconceptions and " fallacies " . But my question was with > > > > reference > > > > > to > > > > > > a discussion in local daily paper on " Kha " - and when my > > > friend > > > > > > called me to ask that, I wanted to answer him through > forum > > > > > experts. > > > > > > > > > > > > But unfortunately, my mail was misconstrued and > eventually - > > > all > > > > > > these drama happened. Good all is settled now, and let us > > move > > > > > ahead > > > > > > > > > > > > in a Hope to learn Jyotish here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further to my note: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier > note - > > > > > > > where > > > > > > he > > > > > > > accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After > > > reading > > > > the > > > > > > > thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to > > > make > > > > > such > > > > > > > remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. > So > > > > > > perhaps - > > > > > > > your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in > > all > > > > > > fairness > > > > > > > - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > base. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early > 90's I > > > > > happen > > > > > > to > > > > > > > visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very > enthusiast > > > > > jyotish > > > > > > > student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started > > > discussing > > > > > > > transits. In the course of discussions and observations > > > (which > > > > > > > continued over few years through my frequent visits) - > I > > > > > realized > > > > > > he > > > > > > > was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit > working. > > > > Being > > > > > a > > > > > > > young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him > for > > > > > transit > > > > > > > based predictions, he started probing me as to how will > I > > > > > interpret; > > > > > > > and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line > > > with > > > > > > popular > > > > > > > reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he > did > > > hint > > > > > that > > > > > > > all these transit technique are wrong and all modern > > > > > explanation to > > > > > > > transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > right reading model, he did not share with me - but he > used > > > to > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even > > dasa > > > > > > > reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques > > > > > including > > > > > > nadi > > > > > > > progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and > so > > > on - > > > > > but > > > > > > > could never trace the basis of his transit reading > model. > > > But > > > > he > > > > > did > > > > > > > mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) > that > > > bhava > > > > > > > reading and transit bhava reading are two different > issues > > > > > > (implying - > > > > > > > that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed > > > > > differently). > > > > > > > Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to > > > disclose > > > > his > > > > > > > technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. > I > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, > > but > > > > > trust > > > > > > me > > > > > > > - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now > what > > do > > > we > > > > > do > > > > > > > with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? > can > > > we > > > > > nail > > > > > > > down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D > > > charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that > was > > his > > > > > > > conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide > with > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - > his > > > > > reasonings > > > > > > > of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from > > what > > > we > > > > > use. > > > > > > > But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions > > and > > > the > > > > > > > fallacies of transit model also. This particular > experience > > > > > > influenced > > > > > > > me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my > predictive > > > > > > approach; > > > > > > > and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we > > all > > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with > it - > > > > > > > until > > > > > > we > > > > > > > get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all > > > jyotishi - > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated > > from > > > > > this > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. > > Trust > > > > me - > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a > very > > > > > thought > > > > > > > provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and > we > > > > must > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of > > popular > > > > > > > > understanding of D charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D > charts > > > and > > > > > am > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / > > > > > presentation > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a > prudent > > > > > approach; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing > schedule > > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > white > > > > > > > > paper. Like many other forum members, I am also > keenly > > > > > waiting > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > his case studies on fallacies of generally known D > chart > > > > > > > > interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such > > > > publishing > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we > > all > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > members will be gaining only, from such research > papers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your kind words. > > > > > > > > > You could have replied me earlier this too but you > > didnt > > > > > > because u > > > > > > > > > really didnt knew anything abt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any > > > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove > Masters > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on > > > > > practicality > > > > > > of all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so > better > > > > > instead > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting > > > shlokas > > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its my humble request you to not to misguide people > by > > > your > > > > > > > > > incomplete views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove > it > > > by > > > > > > charts not > > > > > > > > > by debating shlokas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman > etc > > > are > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > > the various meanings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this > > > > > doubt,as > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your > > > reply > > > > is > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you see,i do not have the ability to read your > > > > mind.But > > > > > > pls > > > > > > > > > > remember that within you and me there is something > > > which > > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls understand that,it is not a question of > whether i > > > can > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > > > > people.Kindly do > > > > > > > > > > me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' > > has > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that > amsha > > > and > > > > > > amshaka are > > > > > > > > > > used for the same purpose ,not only in one > place,but > > > at > > > > > > numerous > > > > > > > > > > places.Could you kindly get this clarification for > me > > > as > > > > > my > > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > > > won't go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will > say > > > that > > > > > no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess than you cannot suggest the correct > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > of all > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > astrology sholkas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some misunderstanding.I do not have > any > > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting > > Masters > > > > and > > > > > > Sages as > > > > > > > > > > > > compared to contemporary interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but > a > > > > common > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > > > > > > > > > > > Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc were the ones first taught to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanings are based on contexts and pls request > > the > > > > > > gentleman > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his > > > > > locality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friendly note - There will be many > individuals > > > (mis) > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > using you as an instrument for distracting > others > > > > > engaged > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > > > > hands.Astrology is > > > > > > > > > > > > divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure > > that > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > understand this and wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you have quite deep knowledge of > sanskrit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " > a > > > > > letter > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vocabulary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it > is > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Ash > > Prafulla, do you by any chance know the degrees of the house that he > had casted using the bhav chalit, what house system did he use. [Prafulla] He followed kedar padhati - which is close to KP in terms of bhava chalit system (i.e. from the begining of the cusp - lagna rising degree). All planet in the sign less than bhava cusp (lagna rising degree) - to be taken in previous bhava. He did quote me the book. I did note down - but that time living in Dubai - and with Indian travelling schedule - did not suit the book finding process. Most traditionalist in Northern India use Bhava Chalit - few use with lagna degree as bhava madhya and few use lagna degree as begining of bhava. In my observation - they use equal houses (each house 30'). > As > you mentioned that the astrologer gentleman, was a parampara jyotish, > did he share with you the degree of each house or say starting degrees ? [Prafulla] lagna degree He was different jyotishi. But he also followed the same chandu panchang. This panchang is 480+ years old. Until 40/50 years ago - most northern Indian panchang were copy of this panchang. For lagna computation - it works close to KAS; and his opinion is very similiar to Krushna ji regariding the use of 8th house for any bhava (contrary to Parashari). > > I really hope that you have written that down somewhere as that will > also be a vital clue which can be kept alive. Maybe someone in this > world might have additional knowledge and can put 2 and 2 together. > [Prafulla] I simply could not understand his transit chakra. But for the sake of clarification - he did consider division charts with yogas, aspects and bhavas. > I hope everyone shares such personal experiences which are genuine. > > Out of curiosity, was this the same gentleman who predicted that your > mars must be retro looking at your physical features? > [Prafulla] - That astrologer is different one. This one is chandu panchangkarta himself. > Also during your course of your meetings with this gentleman, did u > know the ayanamsa he used? > [Prafulla] Same chandu panchang. Surprisingly, this panchang can not be fixed through ayanamsa correction - as fast moving and slow moving planets are adjusted for some tilt of the earth and is not geocentric (but topocentric). regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. ************************************************ > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Tarun ji, >> >> Further to my note: >> >> I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where he >> accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the >> thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such >> remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So perhaps - >> your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all fairness >> - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge base. >> >> Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen to >> visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish >> student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing >> transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which >> continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized he >> was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a >> young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit >> based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; >> and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with popular >> reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that >> all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to >> transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be the >> right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to predict >> simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa >> reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including nadi >> progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but >> could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did >> mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava >> reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues (implying - >> that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). >> Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his >> technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely >> doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust me >> - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do >> with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail >> down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and >> transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his >> conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we have >> read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings >> of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. >> But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the >> fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience influenced >> me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive approach; >> and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. >> >> Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be >> carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until we >> get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at >> all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this birth. >> >> I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - this >> is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought >> provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. >> >> regards / Prafulla >> >> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Tarun ji, >>> >>> Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must respect >>> his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular >>> understanding of D charts. >>> >>> Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am of the >>> firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation on >>> the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; but >>> in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his white >>> paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting for >>> his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart >>> interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing often >>> has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. >>> >>> Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum >>> members will be gaining only, from such research papers. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla >>> >>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Pradeep ji, >>>> >>>> thanks for your kind words. >>>> You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt because u >>>> really didnt knew anything abt it. >>>> >>>> But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of >>>> Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. >>>> >>>> now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > of all. >>>> >>>> just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead of >>>> driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as you >>>> donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. >>>> >>>> Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your >>>> incomplete views. >>>> >>>> or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > charts not >>>> by debating shlokas. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Tarun >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " >>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear shri Tarun >>>>> >>>>> If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. >>>>> >>>>> Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are some of >>>>> the various meanings. >>>>> >>>>> If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as >>>>> mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > exactly >>>>> as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. >>>>> >>>>> So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But pls >>>>> remember that within you and me there is something which can read >>>>> minds. >>>>> >>>>> Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can >>>> understand >>>>> sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. >>>>> >>>>> Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > people.Kindly do >>>>> me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be read >>>>> from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > amshaka are >>>>> used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at numerous >>>>> places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my posts >>>>> won't go through. >>>>> >>>>> Regds >>>>> Pradeep >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your mail. >>>>>> >>>>>> No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no one >>>> has >>>>>> misguided me and no one can...atleast me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > of all >>>>> the >>>>>> astrology sholkas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Tarun >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " >>>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear shri Tarun >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any knowledge in >>>>>>> Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > Sages as >>>>>>> compared to contemporary interpretations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common one > and >>>>>> forms >>>>>>> the basis of my mother toungue as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga >>>>>>> Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja >>>>>>> >>>>>>> etc were the ones first taught to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the gentleman >>>>> having >>>>>>> doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis)guiding >>>>> you >>>>>> or >>>>>>> using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged in >>>>>>> specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > hands.Astrology is >>>>>>> divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you will >>>>>>> understand this and wish you all the best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regds >>>>>>> Pradeep >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, >>>>>>>> Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter from >>>>> Hindi >>>>>>>> Vocabulary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related >>>>> specially >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> astrology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be glad if you suggest me the same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tarun >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Prafulla, Thank you for your detailed explanation to my questions. Its much appreciated. I just have one more question if u dont mind, did the starting degrees of each house were they the same as lagna degrees? Say lagna is at 11 degrees Cancer so would starting of 2nd house be 11 deg Leo and 3rd also 11 deg virgo like that? Would the 2nd and 8th or 5th and 11th house, 3rd and 9th, 6th and 12th would their starting degrees be the same? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ash > > > > > > Prafulla, do you by any chance know the degrees of the house that he > > had casted using the bhav chalit, what house system did he use. > > [Prafulla] He followed kedar padhati - which is close to KP in terms of bhava chalit system (i.e. from the begining of the cusp - lagna rising degree). All planet in the sign less than bhava cusp (lagna rising degree) - to be taken in previous bhava. He did quote me the book. I did note down - but that time living in Dubai - and with Indian travelling schedule - did not suit the book finding process. > > Most traditionalist in Northern India use Bhava Chalit - few use with lagna degree as bhava madhya and few use lagna degree as begining of bhava. In my observation - they use equal houses (each house 30'). > > > As > > you mentioned that the astrologer gentleman, was a parampara jyotish, > > did he share with you the degree of each house or say starting degrees ? > > [Prafulla] lagna degree > > > He was different jyotishi. But he also followed the same chandu panchang. This panchang is 480+ years old. Until 40/50 years ago - most northern Indian panchang were copy of this panchang. > > > For lagna computation - it works close to KAS; and his opinion is very similiar to Krushna ji regariding the use of 8th house for any bhava (contrary to Parashari). > > > > > I really hope that you have written that down somewhere as that will > > also be a vital clue which can be kept alive. Maybe someone in this > > world might have additional knowledge and can put 2 and 2 together. > > > > [Prafulla] I simply could not understand his transit chakra. But for the sake of clarification - he did consider division charts with yogas, aspects and bhavas. > > > I hope everyone shares such personal experiences which are genuine. > > > > Out of curiosity, was this the same gentleman who predicted that your > > mars must be retro looking at your physical features? > > > > [Prafulla] - That astrologer is different one. This one is chandu panchangkarta himself. > > > Also during your course of your meetings with this gentleman, did u > > know the ayanamsa he used? > > > > [Prafulla] Same chandu panchang. Surprisingly, this panchang can not be fixed through ayanamsa correction - as fast moving and slow moving planets are adjusted for some tilt of the earth and is not geocentric (but topocentric). > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Tarun ji, > >> > >> Further to my note: > >> > >> I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where he > >> accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > >> thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > >> remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So perhaps - > >> your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all fairness > >> - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and knowledge base. > >> > >> Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen to > >> visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > >> student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > >> transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > >> continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized he > >> was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > >> young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > >> based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > >> and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with popular > >> reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > >> all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > >> transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be the > >> right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to predict > >> simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > >> reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including nadi > >> progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > >> could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > >> mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > >> reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues (implying - > >> that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > >> Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > >> technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > >> doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust me > >> - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > >> with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > >> down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > >> transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > >> conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we have > >> read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > >> of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > >> But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > >> fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience influenced > >> me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive approach; > >> and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > >> > >> Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > >> carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until we > >> get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > >> all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this birth. > >> > >> I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - this > >> is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > >> provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla > >> > >> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Tarun ji, > >>> > >>> Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must respect > >>> his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > >>> understanding of D charts. > >>> > >>> Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am of the > >>> firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation on > >>> the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent approach; but > >>> in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his white > >>> paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting for > >>> his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > >>> interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing often > >>> has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > >>> > >>> Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > >>> members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla > >>> > >>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > >>>> > >>>> thanks for your kind words. > >>>> You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt because u > >>>> really didnt knew anything abt it. > >>>> > >>>> But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > >>>> Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > >>>> > >>>> now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > > of all. > >>>> > >>>> just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead of > >>>> driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as you > >>>> donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > >>>> > >>>> Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > >>>> incomplete views. > >>>> > >>>> or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > charts not > >>>> by debating shlokas. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Tarun > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " > >>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear shri Tarun > >>>>> > >>>>> If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are some of > >>>>> the various meanings. > >>>>> > >>>>> If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > >>>>> mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > > exactly > >>>>> as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > >>>>> > >>>>> So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But pls > >>>>> remember that within you and me there is something which can read > >>>>> minds. > >>>>> > >>>>> Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > >>>> understand > >>>>> sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > people.Kindly do > >>>>> me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be read > >>>>> from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > amshaka are > >>>>> used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at numerous > >>>>> places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my posts > >>>>> won't go through. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regds > >>>>> Pradeep > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for your mail. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no one > >>>> has > >>>>>> misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > > of all > >>>>> the > >>>>>> astrology sholkas. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " > >>>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear shri Tarun > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any knowledge in > >>>>>>> Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > > Sages as > >>>>>>> compared to contemporary interpretations. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common one > > and > >>>>>> forms > >>>>>>> the basis of my mother toungue as well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > >>>>>>> Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> etc were the ones first taught to me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the gentleman > >>>>> having > >>>>>>> doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis)guiding > >>>>> you > >>>>>> or > >>>>>>> using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged in > >>>>>>> specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > hands.Astrology is > >>>>>>> divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you will > >>>>>>> understand this and wish you all the best. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regds > >>>>>>> Pradeep > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > >>>>>>>> Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter from > >>>>> Hindi > >>>>>>>> Vocabulary. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > >>>>> specially > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> astrology. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tarun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Ash You are most welcome. Yes the begin degree was lagna rising degree for each house (equal house of 30'). Yes - so each house at same degree. regards / Prafulla , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > Thank you for your detailed explanation to my questions. Its much > appreciated. > > I just have one more question if u dont mind, did the starting degrees > of each house were they the same as lagna degrees? > > Say lagna is at 11 degrees Cancer so would starting of 2nd house be 11 > deg Leo and 3rd also 11 deg virgo like that? > > Would the 2nd and 8th or 5th and 11th house, 3rd and 9th, 6th and 12th > would their starting degrees be the same? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla, do you by any chance know the degrees of the house that he > > > had casted using the bhav chalit, what house system did he use. > > > > [Prafulla] He followed kedar padhati - which is close to KP in terms > of bhava chalit system (i.e. from the begining of the cusp - lagna > rising degree). All planet in the sign less than bhava cusp (lagna > rising degree) - to be taken in previous bhava. He did quote me the > book. I did note down - but that time living in Dubai - and with > Indian travelling schedule - did not suit the book finding process. > > > > Most traditionalist in Northern India use Bhava Chalit - few use > with lagna degree as bhava madhya and few use lagna degree as begining > of bhava. In my observation - they use equal houses (each house 30'). > > > > > As > > > you mentioned that the astrologer gentleman, was a parampara jyotish, > > > did he share with you the degree of each house or say starting > degrees ? > > > > [Prafulla] lagna degree > > > > > > He was different jyotishi. But he also followed the same chandu > panchang. This panchang is 480+ years old. Until 40/50 years ago - > most northern Indian panchang were copy of this panchang. > > > > > > For lagna computation - it works close to KAS; and his opinion is > very similiar to Krushna ji regariding the use of 8th house for any > bhava (contrary to Parashari). > > > > > > > > I really hope that you have written that down somewhere as that will > > > also be a vital clue which can be kept alive. Maybe someone in this > > > world might have additional knowledge and can put 2 and 2 together. > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I simply could not understand his transit chakra. But for > the sake of clarification - he did consider division charts with > yogas, aspects and bhavas. > > > > > I hope everyone shares such personal experiences which are genuine. > > > > > > Out of curiosity, was this the same gentleman who predicted that your > > > mars must be retro looking at your physical features? > > > > > > > [Prafulla] - That astrologer is different one. This one is chandu > panchangkarta himself. > > > > > Also during your course of your meetings with this gentleman, did u > > > know the ayanamsa he used? > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Same chandu panchang. Surprisingly, this panchang can not > be fixed through ayanamsa correction - as fast moving and slow moving > planets are adjusted for some tilt of the earth and is not geocentric > (but topocentric). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Tarun ji, > > >> > > >> Further to my note: > > >> > > >> I must confess that - I missed Shri Pradeep's earlier note - where he > > >> accused you of writing on someone's behalf. and After reading the > > >> thread - I realized that - you did request him to not to make such > > >> remarks..but he continued to do so in his further mails. So perhaps - > > >> your reaction was provoked one from his comments. But in all fairness > > >> - I request you to respect Shri Pradeep's conviction and > knowledge base. > > >> > > >> Let me narrate you an interesting incident. In early 90's I happen to > > >> visit a traditionalist astrologer. and as a very enthusiast jyotish > > >> student - I wanted to discuss my chart and we started discussing > > >> transits. In the course of discussions and observations (which > > >> continued over few years through my frequent visits) - I realized he > > >> was neither using lagna nor moon sign for transit working. Being a > > >> young boy - I tried to argue on many occasions with him for transit > > >> based predictions, he started probing me as to how will I interpret; > > >> and on each occasion - my interpretation (though in line with popular > > >> reading model) was proven wrong. In one reference, he did hint that > > >> all these transit technique are wrong and all modern explanation to > > >> transit interpretation do not hold correct. Well - what should be the > > >> right reading model, he did not share with me - but he used to > predict > > >> simply from bhava chalit, D charts and transit (not even dasa > > >> reference or prasna reference). I tried many techniques including > nadi > > >> progression, sudershan chakra driven interpretation and so on - but > > >> could never trace the basis of his transit reading model. But he did > > >> mention to me once (perhaps in my last visit to him) that bhava > > >> reading and transit bhava reading are two different issues > (implying - > > >> that for transit, the D1 chart has to be reconstructed differently). > > >> Being parampara jyotishi, perhaps he did not want to disclose his > > >> technique and I also could not dare to ask him the same. I sincerely > > >> doubt that - he ever read so many books or commentaries, but trust me > > >> - I did not observe his prediction ever failing. Now what do we do > > >> with shlokas, which refer us to those transit meanings? can we nail > > >> down a event accurately with just bhava chalit chart, D charts and > > >> transit? and that too in less than a minute? But that was his > > >> conviction and knowledge base - and may not coincide with what we > have > > >> read / heard / experimented. And most interestingly - his reasonings > > >> of event (purely on transit) was quite upside down from what we use. > > >> But yes - on each occasion - he proved me by predictions and the > > >> fallacies of transit model also. This particular experience > influenced > > >> me so much that - I stopped applying dasha in my predictive approach; > > >> and I am still struggling in my dasa phal interpretation. > > >> > > >> Anyway - what I wanted to convey that - many a times, we all may be > > >> carrying a wrong method or conviction; but we live with it - until we > > >> get to learn the improvized method. and Trust me, all jyotishi - at > > >> all stage, continue to do it - until they are liberated from this > birth. > > >> > > >> I hope Tarun ji, You are not offended by my long mail. Trust me - > this > > >> is not jyotish journalism, but I have indeed shared a very thought > > >> provoking technique or atleast one step towards it. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla > > >> > > >> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear Tarun ji, > > >>> > > >>> Shri Pradeep has his own conviction for his model, and we must > respect > > >>> his convictions / knowledge base - irrespective of popular > > >>> understanding of D charts. > > >>> > > >>> Though I do not agree to Shri Pradeep's view on D charts and am > of the > > >>> firm opinion that such unsubstantiated propogation / presentation on > > >>> the fallacies of other authors opinion is not a prudent > approach; but > > >>> in my opinion - we must wait for his publishing schedule of his > white > > >>> paper. Like many other forum members, I am also keenly waiting for > > >>> his case studies on fallacies of generally known D chart > > >>> interpretation model. Let us appreciate that - such publishing often > > >>> has time constraints, for professional preoccupations. > > >>> > > >>> Trust you in me - such exercise is never futile and we all forum > > >>> members will be gaining only, from such research papers. > > >>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla > > >>> > > >>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > > >>>> > > >>>> thanks for your kind words. > > >>>> You could have replied me earlier this too but you didnt because u > > >>>> really didnt knew anything abt it. > > >>>> > > >>>> But i am sure in one thing that you donot have any knowledge of > > >>>> Sanskrit and even then you are trying to prove Masters wrong. > > >>>> > > >>>> now leave BPHS and leave other books and think on practicality > > > of all. > > >>>> > > >>>> just in few lines astrology cant be defined, so better instead of > > >>>> driving your vechicle in wrong direction of quoting shlokas as you > > >>>> donot know its meaning. Try to prove charts. > > >>>> > > >>>> Its my humble request you to not to misguide people by your > > >>>> incomplete views. > > >>>> > > >>>> or if you think that you are correct, then plz prove it by > > > charts not > > >>>> by debating shlokas. > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> Tarun > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > >>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear shri Tarun > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If nobody is misguiding you then it is fine.Good luck. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now Kha has many meanings - Sun,Sky,Space,Brahman etc are some of > > >>>>> the various meanings. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If i tell one among these,your friend(who had this doubt,as > > >>>>> mentioned by you) will tease accordingly.Now your reply is > > > exactly > > >>>>> as i have expected.Thus i had mentioned the context. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So you see,i do not have the ability to read your mind.But pls > > >>>>> remember that within you and me there is something which can read > > >>>>> minds. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Pls understand that,it is not a question of whether i can > > >>>> understand > > >>>>> sanskrit or not.We are talking about masters. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now - to me you look like a honest man questioning > > > people.Kindly do > > >>>>> me a favour.Shri Snjay Rath,has taught that ''KA'' has to be read > > >>>>> from Rashi chakra.From BPHS we have seen that amsha and > > > amshaka are > > >>>>> used for the same purpose ,not only in one place,but at numerous > > >>>>> places.Could you kindly get this clarification for me as my posts > > >>>>> won't go through. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regds > > >>>>> Pradeep > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks for your mail. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> No problem you donot know sanskrit. but i will say that no one > > >>>> has > > >>>>>> misguided me and no one can...atleast me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Well " Kha " stands for Surya in sanskrit. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I guess than you cannot suggest the correct interpretation > > > of all > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> astrology sholkas. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tarun > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > >>>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear shri Tarun > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You have some misunderstanding.I do not have any knowledge in > > >>>>>>> Sanskrit.For the same reason i was quoting Masters and > > > Sages as > > >>>>>>> compared to contemporary interpretations. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ''Kha'' is not only from hindi vocabulary,but a common one > > > and > > >>>>>> forms > > >>>>>>> the basis of my mother toungue as well. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Ka,Kha,Ga,Gha,nga > > >>>>>>> Cha,cha,ja,jha,nja > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> etc were the ones first taught to me. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Meanings are based on contexts and pls request the gentleman > > >>>>> having > > >>>>>>> doubt to consult some sanskrit pandit near his locality. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> A friendly note - There will be many individuals (mis)guiding > > >>>>> you > > >>>>>> or > > >>>>>>> using you as an instrument for distracting others engaged in > > >>>>>>> specific tasks.Don't becoem a pawn in their > > > hands.Astrology is > > >>>>>>> divine and Truth alone will triumph.I am sure that you will > > >>>>>>> understand this and wish you all the best. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Regds > > >>>>>>> Pradeep > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep ji, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As you have quite deep knowledge of sanskrit, > > >>>>>>>> Can you please suggest me meaning of " Kha " a letter from > > >>>>> Hindi > > >>>>>>>> Vocabulary. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Someone asked me the meaning of this, as it is related > > >>>>> specially > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>> astrology. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I will be glad if you suggest me the same. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Tarun > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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