Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Sirs, Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish to bring the following to the attention of learned friends in this forum with my observation; Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - Vol.III " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of the 7th bhava. Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is also not far of. Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " ....and so on. Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam ......Sowkyavahaa: " also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may associate with ...etc. etc. In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to declare as man and wife. Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the case. As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct that the man has relationship with his declared wife. This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many years. That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage and the results as seen astrologically. Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the matter to all of you! Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear venkatji, With due respect to your age, I have to state the following. Your first approach on this Forum was a query , to which your yourself gave a detailed reply to all of us, subsequently after getting all replies from us. Your second approach too was a query, which after receiving replies, you have yourself given us the answer. Sir, it would be better if you,impart us your knowledge, instead of we trying to write here what we know, and waste our time, for what you already know better than us. You have not loaded us with problems, and I do not interpret shlokas as ad verbatim, or on face. Astrology can never be so easy. Another thing, no Rajyoga can ever fructify to the fullest in any ones horoscope, if efforts are not put in the right direction. In todays times of contraception, we are not supposed to predict number of children, just by reading a shloka and applying the same. We are also not supposed to spend our time in discussions which render the definition parts right. I would rather learn to make a cup of teaa (Small p rediction) then write a thesis on what is right or wrong in the Shastras ,or in astrology. My humble views. Just take with open heart. Pranams to you. Bhaskar. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Sirs, > > Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish to bring the following to the attention of learned friends in this forum with my observation; > > Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - Vol.III > > " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. > > Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of the 7th bhava. > > Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is also not far of. > > Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " .....and so on. > > Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam ......Sowkyavahaa: " > also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may associate with ...etc. etc. > > In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. > > So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to declare as man and wife. > > Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. > > My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the case. As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct that the man has relationship with his declared wife. > > This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many years. > > That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage and the results as seen astrologically. > > Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the matter to all of you! > > Pathi > > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Shape in your own image. 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Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear friends, Thanks for the explanation and defining difference between " marriage " and " sleeps together " It may be the ancient concept. But how one will define love for a particular native, but no marriage or sleeps together, sex with animal and masturbation. I am sorry to point out that in your example, you has written two issue from one wife and one issue from other wife. Will you please take trouble to define issue from one person and marriage with another person from? Because without sleeping with some one person, one can not bear a child. When " sleeps with " and " marriage " are two different things. Does all these are for man only? With thanks and regards. --- venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > Sirs, > > Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish > to bring the following to the attention of learned > friends in this forum with my observation; > > Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's > JATHAKA PARIJATHA - Vol.III > > " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. > > Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a > planet(not specified), the number of wives is > declared by astrologers to the number of Planets in > conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, > any planet that occupies its Swakshethra or > exaltation is to be omitted. If the lord of 7th > bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by > a Venus, the number of wives will be the number of > planets associated with Venus; or it may be that the > person concerned get as many new brides as there are > planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of > the 7th bhava. > > Sun and Mercury always move very near in most > horoscopes and Venus is also not far of. > > Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak > planets there may be that are in conjunction with > the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava and are at the > same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th > bhava, dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be > destroyed by them " ....and so on. > > Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara > " Sthreesankyam .....Sowkyavahaa: " > also express that 'it is though the (number of) > planets in the 7th house that one ought to divine > the number of women that a person may associate with > ...etc. etc. > > In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman > who sleep with - which is clearly explained in > another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " also refers as > women with whom a man sleeps with. > > So there is no where it is explained as the woman > sleeps with after a social declaration - marriage. > Even in slokas I can quote in these as well as in > " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a > partner in life to sleep with him and in the process > becomes his part of life to beget children. That is > the blood of man should land in the woman whom he > sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be > deemed to declare as man and wife. > > Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a > marriage -'Mangali'. Mars recognised to inflict all > the plus and minus in the blood system of man to the > partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her > blood, who in modern system declared as legal > partner in a marriage. > > My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage > is more a 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " > relevance. We are safe when the marriage takes > place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom > 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya > Vivaha this was not the case. As also, in the > multiple relationship, it is not always correct that > the man has relationship with his declared wife. > > This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's > horscope shows he will have three children. After > seven years of marriage with a girl, to whom I > promised she will bare a child, (many years before) > when she become pregnant, she called me and told me > that her husband has already two boys through > another girl. So his horoscope leads to believe > that he will have three children and the girl, with > great difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her > horoscope, after many years. > > That is why I carry the doubt about the social > declaration of marriage and the results as seen > astrologically. > > Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the > matter to all of you! > > Pathi > > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Sir, ______________________________ Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - Vol.III " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of the 7th bhava. Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is also not far of. Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " ....and so on. Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam ......Sowkyavahaa: " also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may associate with ...etc. etc. ______________________________\ _____ Bhaskar- Does this imply that no planet in 7th house means no marriage ? No Sir, The shlokas are not to be judged in isolation. There are many number of shlokas before and subseqwuent to the above mentioned shloka, which tell us about the bhanga or the addition, and the other rules to be applied while judging the above mentioned shloka. ______________________________\ _____ In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to declare as man and wife. ___________________________ Bhaskar- Of course in those times, sleeping of a man with a women or vice versa, would naturally be culminated in the marriage . They would not be allowed to just sleep and live without marriage. The shlokas are from the era of Noble Men and women, and today also in Good families, this applies. ______________________________\ ______ Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the case. ______________________________\ _____ Bhaskar - In devout Hindu families, following the customs, even today the Suhaag raat, is not on the day of the marriage itself, but on the next day, when the bride comes back bedecked from her parents place for the special night. ______________________________\ _____ As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct that the man has relationship with his declared wife. ______________________________\ _____ bhaskar - It is understood that when a man has multiple relationship, it is not always correct that this is with a declared wife. But then what ? So what ? What does this imply ? How does this knowledge help us in astrology ? This is common knowledge, but what to do this with this knowledge ? 1) In ancient days when constitution was not there, even Hindus were having more than 1 wife, and were having relationships with all. 2) In Modern days - Many Mohammednas may keep more than 1 wife and have multiple relationship which would be legal. 3) Any Arab, having 50 wifes, would also have multiple relationships legally. ______________________________\ _____ This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many years. That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage and the results as seen astrologically. ___________________________ Bhaskar - Then what is Your advise on this ? How should we approach this matter ? regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, How do you buy a fruit from a shop? You check the fruit to your satisfaction; yet, you do not cut open to see that it satisfy you. I have world of experience in many forums. Yet, I am not sure that the next man whom I confront could be less knowledgeable than mine. I always respect every other person for his knowledge and I learn regularly, perhaps everyday, from you or any other person. I could list you my 'experiences " , when will have have mail from you personally not in the forum, but one to one. I know you have world of knowledge in astrology. So, I try to learn questioning others. When I see that the 'basket has only few fruits, I pour all that I carry' so that all of us can eat. If my approach is a 'waste of time for you' and others, I beg your merciful thoughts towards this old man. After all, I have toured 4 continents and lectured in 23 cent res, (perhaps two are three times in one cent re), yet I am a very humble learner in astrology for last 48 years. I have my clients in every country (name it I will give you my contact) and I hold 'Permanent residency " in Britain till 2012, and I can go there as I desire. I have a fully equipped office with Secretary and Astrological books (Mongolian, Egyptian, and Solar systems) with hundreds of Hindu Vedic Astrology books. ( I can name the page where you will find details on a given astrological problem in any of those books) I have students too in many couturiers. You have forced me tell you by your mail. I question to get many references/answers from eminent people like you. Now I will give two questions and I expect concise technical explanations, without putting Gods extra for the explanations. the questions are as follows: 1. What is Ayanamsa? How do you calculate this? 2. What is Rahu and Ketu, to be called 'Chaya Graha " s and how this name has been conferred on them? What is the functional qualities of these imaginary points and its purpose in Hindu vedic Astrology? Perhaps many of you know more than me on this. I can learn from you. To add in my original 'marriage' discussion, just now in the German edition of ' Orient culture, function and Rituals', by HERODITUS (1803-64), a historian of German origin, writes that till the end Kalinga War there was only'Swayamvara' system of marriages in India. This followed by ALEN LEO (Died 9.11.1862) the system of succession was introduced in the Punjab region in the period of Kudbudeen Tukluk, who wanted the marriages to be conducted in open in the presence of elders and village chief, to claim the rights of succession. With these two references,(to believe or not to believe is left to individuals) we are imported with the knowledge that marriage is introduced much later to the time of original Constitution of Hindu vedic Astrology. Sorry to have taken your time. Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Venkatji, First of all let me clear no one is a young man, and no one is a old man. You would be more younger than me if you are re-born 3 years from now on, on this Earth. So these matters are temporary. I do not believe you as old, neither believe myself as Young. Maybe in the play of Maya, but actually not. Youi have put me 2 questions. The past experience with you tells me that You will ultimately answer yourself these questions and any of my explaining these queries would be a waste of time on my part. I am confident that I am the only astrolger on these 365 Forums on astrology who can predict on the effects of rahu Mahadasha or the Ketu Mahadasha with the Ayanamsha I use. This is all that matters to me and the natives who come to me for answers. I do not believe in thesis and discussions if it is only putting my point across for everyone to believe. As regards to the historians you mentioned, these are just 100-150 years old,and what they have said , everything cannot be claimed as authentic. Is it implied that Manu the first man, who explained about the various Varnas of society , also meant that Shudras also had syayamwaras when they used to marry their daughters ? I dont believe this. Logic is what has to be believed and commonsense has tobe applied . What are your comments now ? regards, Bhaskar. -- In , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > How do you buy a fruit from a shop? You check the fruit to your satisfaction; yet, you do not cut open to see that it satisfy you. > > I have world of experience in many forums. Yet, I am not sure that the next man whom I confront could be less knowledgeable than mine. I always respect every other person for his knowledge and I learn regularly, perhaps everyday, from you or any other person. I could list you my 'experiences " , when will have have mail from you personally not in the forum, but one to one. I know you have world of knowledge in astrology. So, I try to learn questioning others. When I see that the 'basket has only few fruits, I pour all that I carry' so that all of us can eat. If my approach is a 'waste of time for you' and others, I beg your merciful thoughts towards this old man. After all, I have toured 4 continents and lectured in 23 cent res, (perhaps two are three times in one cent re), yet I am a very humble learner in astrology for last 48 years. I have my clients in every country (name it I will give you my contact) and I hold 'Permanent residency " in Britain till 2012, and > I can go there as I desire. I have a fully equipped office with Secretary and Astrological books (Mongolian, Egyptian, and Solar systems) with hundreds of Hindu Vedic Astrology books. ( I can name the page where you will find details on a given astrological problem in any of those books) I have students too in many couturiers. > > You have forced me tell you by your mail. > > I question to get many references/answers from eminent people like you. > > Now I will give two questions and I expect concise technical explanations, without putting Gods extra for the explanations. the questions are as follows: > > 1. What is Ayanamsa? How do you calculate this? 2. What is Rahu and Ketu, to be called 'Chaya Graha " s and how this name has been conferred on them? What is the functional qualities of these imaginary points and its purpose in Hindu vedic Astrology? > > Perhaps many of you know more than me on this. I can learn from you. > > To add in my original 'marriage' discussion, just now in the German edition of ' Orient culture, function and Rituals', by HERODITUS (1803-64), a historian of German origin, writes that till the end Kalinga War there was only'Swayamvara' system of marriages in India. This followed by ALEN LEO (Died 9.11.1862) the system of succession was introduced in the Punjab region in the period of Kudbudeen Tukluk, who wanted the marriages to be conducted in open in the presence of elders and village chief, to claim the rights of succession. With these two references,(to believe or not to believe is left to individuals) > we are imported with the knowledge that marriage is introduced much later to the time of original Constitution of Hindu vedic Astrology. > > Sorry to have taken your time. > > > Pathi > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > I have toured 4 continents and lectured in 23 cent res, (perhaps two are three times in one cent re), yet I am a very humble learner in astrology for last 48 years. I have my clients in every country (name it I will give you my contact) and I hold 'Permanent residency " in Britain till 2012, and I can go there as I desire. I have a fully equipped office with Secretary and Astrological books (Mongolian, Egyptian, and Solar systems) with hundreds of Hindu Vedic Astrology books. ( I can name the page where you will find details on a given astrological problem in any of those books) I have students too in many couturiers. ler-level egotism noted. > 1. What is Ayanamsa? The ticking of the 25,765-year (solar) Great Year clock, beginning and ending with the conjunction of the vernal equinox and 0-degrees Aries. How do you calculate this? I'll ask my friend/colleague/teacher and let you know; the fellow was an (infamous) member of this Group who has interestingly done quite a bit of research on both the things you ask - ayanamsa and nodes PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Pranesh, Why should we waste our time, or our friends on such luxuries , on the how and why of ayanamsha ? This is a much debated subject, and any new debate, can continue for next one year without conclusions. As long as one is able to predict with whatever ayanamsha he uses, nothing matters really, we do not have to prove anything. regards, Bhaskar. , " pranesh_joshi2003 " <pranesh_joshi2003 wrote: > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> > wrote: > > > I have toured 4 continents and lectured in 23 cent res, (perhaps two > are three times in one cent re), yet I am a very humble learner in > astrology for last 48 years. I have my clients in every country (name > it I will give you my contact) and I hold 'Permanent residency " in > Britain till 2012, and I can go there as I desire. I have a fully > equipped office with Secretary and Astrological books (Mongolian, > Egyptian, and Solar systems) with hundreds of Hindu Vedic Astrology > books. ( I can name the page where you will find details on a given > astrological problem in any of those books) I have students too in > many couturiers. > > ler-level egotism noted. > > > > 1. What is Ayanamsa? > > > The ticking of the 25,765-year (solar) Great Year clock, beginning and > ending with the conjunction of the vernal equinox and 0-degrees Aries. > > How do you calculate this? > > > I'll ask my friend/colleague/teacher and let you know; the fellow was > an (infamous) member of this Group who has interestingly done quite a > bit of research on both the things you ask - ayanamsa and nodes > > PJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Pranesh Joshi, i am greatful to you, for such an accurate answer. You have made all the members know this and I am ever greatfu. thank you indeed. A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Venkatachala, Your import is not clear at all. The logic that by wives is meant women one sleeps with, in Jataka Parijatha does not appear sound. In those days a man marrying more than one wife was socially accepted. Mars and blood system and Mangali that you wrote about is a but confusing, if I may say so. I do not think the ancient sages were naive to think that a child is born out of blood of a man falling in a woman. Of course if you think that you have proved that marriage prediction date is the date of cohabitation, leading to begetting children,you are free to your own views. It would be interesting to see these principles being applied to same sex marriages that are common in many western countries. Chandrashekhar. venkatachala pathi wrote: > > Sirs, > > Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish to bring the > following to the attention of learned friends in this forum with my > observation; > > Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - > Vol.III > > " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. > > Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), > the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of > Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet > that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the > lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a > Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated > with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new > brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of > the 7th bhava. > > Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is > also not far of. > > Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may > be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava > and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, > dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " ....and > so on. > > Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam > .....Sowkyavahaa: " > also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th > house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may > associate with ...etc. etc. > > In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - > which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " > also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. > > So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a > social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as > well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner > in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life > to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman > whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to > declare as man and wife. > > Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. > Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system > of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, > who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. > > My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a > 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when > the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom > 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the > case. As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct > that the man has relationship with his declared wife. > > This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he > will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, > to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she > become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has > already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to > believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great > difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many years. > > That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage > and the results as seen astrologically. > > Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the matter to all of you! > > Pathi > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji The birth of a child as per Shastras is considered sacred. Each birth is considered as a spirit of Yagna. The Panchagni principle of Chandogya Upanishad is given as the cause of birth. I believe too that there is a much greater significance between the houses and child birth. The whole act of creation is through a spirit of Yagna. Mere mixing of blood does not sound plausible. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Venkatachala, > > Your import is not clear at all. The logic that by wives is meant women > one sleeps with, in Jataka Parijatha does not appear sound. In those > days a man marrying more than one wife was socially accepted. > > Mars and blood system and Mangali that you wrote about is a but > confusing, if I may say so. I do not think the ancient sages were naive > to think that a child is born out of blood of a man falling in a woman. > > Of course if you think that you have proved that marriage prediction > date is the date of cohabitation, leading to begetting children,you are > free to your own views. It would be interesting to see these principles > being applied to same sex marriages that are common in many western > countries. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > > > Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish to bring the > > following to the attention of learned friends in this forum with my > > observation; > > > > Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - > > Vol.III > > > > " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. > > > > Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), > > the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of > > Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet > > that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the > > lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a > > Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated > > with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new > > brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of > > the 7th bhava. > > > > Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is > > also not far of. > > > > Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may > > be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava > > and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, > > dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " ....and > > so on. > > > > Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam > > .....Sowkyavahaa: " > > also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th > > house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may > > associate with ...etc. etc. > > > > In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - > > which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " > > also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. > > > > So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a > > social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as > > well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner > > in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life > > to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman > > whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to > > declare as man and wife. > > > > Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. > > Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system > > of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, > > who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. > > > > My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a > > 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when > > the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom > > 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the > > case. As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct > > that the man has relationship with his declared wife. > > > > This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he > > will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, > > to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she > > become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has > > already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to > > believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great > > difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many years. > > > > That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage > > and the results as seen astrologically. > > > > Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the matter to all of you! > > > > Pathi > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > NC 27514. > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Baskarji, NOTHING - No comments. You have every right to own your views and I appreciate your values. Some areas you deny that they are old and need not be considered. Again, in some areas you refer to some ancient datas told and hearsay. Perhaps you are right and I am wrong. Please do not waste your time on me. Thank you for indulgense. Regards as ever, Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Bharat, You are right. There is a difference between cohabitation for fun and for the express purpose of giving birth to a child as one's Dharma. Our sages knew the process of reproduction too well to talk about mixing of blood leading to birth of a child. look at the way they have given month by month the stage of growth of a foetus and check it with a modern medical practitioner; you will certainly agree with me. Chandrashekhar. Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji > > The birth of a child as per Shastras is considered sacred. Each birth is > considered as a spirit of Yagna. The Panchagni principle of Chandogya > Upanishad is given as the cause of birth. I believe too that there is > a much > greater significance between the houses and child birth. The whole act of > creation is through a spirit of Yagna. Mere mixing of blood does not sound > plausible. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatachala, > > > > Your import is not clear at all. The logic that by wives is meant women > > one sleeps with, in Jataka Parijatha does not appear sound. In those > > days a man marrying more than one wife was socially accepted. > > > > Mars and blood system and Mangali that you wrote about is a but > > confusing, if I may say so. I do not think the ancient sages were naive > > to think that a child is born out of blood of a man falling in a woman. > > > > Of course if you think that you have proved that marriage prediction > > date is the date of cohabitation, leading to begetting children,you are > > free to your own views. It would be interesting to see these principles > > being applied to same sex marriages that are common in many western > > countries. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > Further to the mail of date on this subject I wish to bring the > > > following to the attention of learned friends in this forum with my > > > observation; > > > > > > Sloka 25 Adhyaya 14, of Vaidhyanatha Dikshitha's JATHAKA PARIJATHA - > > > Vol.III > > > > > > " Kamasthane.......Jayathe Va. " sloka 25. > > > > > > Translation: If the 7th bhava be occupied by a planet(not specified), > > > the number of wives is declared by astrologers to the number of > > > Planets in conjunction with Venus. Out of the above number, any planet > > > that occupies its Swakshethra or exaltation is to be omitted. If the > > > lord of 7th bhava occupy the 2nd, identical with a sign owned by a > > > Venus, the number of wives will be the number of planets associated > > > with Venus; or it may be that the person concerned get as many new > > > brides as there are planets in conjunction with Venus and the lord of > > > the 7th bhava. > > > > > > Sun and Mercury always move very near in most horoscopes and Venus is > > > also not far of. > > > > > > Further in the 26 th Sloka, it runs " How many weak planets there may > > > be that are in conjunction with the lord of the 7th or of 2nd bhava > > > and are at the same time the lords of 6th, the 8th, or the 12th bhava, > > > dhusthana, so many will be the wives to be destroyed by them " ....and > > > so on. > > > > > > Similar sloka in " Phala Deepika " by Mantreswara " Sthreesankyam > > > .....Sowkyavahaa: " > > > also express that 'it is though the (number of) planets in the 7th > > > house that one ought to divine the number of women that a person may > > > associate with ...etc. etc. > > > > > > In 'Jathakaprijatha " the 'wives' is meant as woman who sleep with - > > > which is clearly explained in another sloga, and in " Phaladeepika " > > > also refers as women with whom a man sleeps with. > > > > > > So there is no where it is explained as the woman sleeps with after a > > > social declaration - marriage. Even in slokas I can quote in these as > > > well as in " Jathaka Chadrika " by Kalidhasa, that a woman is a partner > > > in life to sleep with him and in the process becomes his part of life > > > to beget children. That is the blood of man should land in the woman > > > whom he sleeps with (irrespective of the status) shall be deemed to > > > declare as man and wife. > > > > > > Here is how the entry of Mars comes in play in a marriage -'Mangali'. > > > Mars recognised to inflict all the plus and minus in the blood system > > > of man to the partner with whom he sleeps with, to mix with her blood, > > > who in modern system declared as legal partner in a marriage. > > > > > > My humble opinion to greats here, is the marriage is more a > > > 'declaration' and it has no " Astrological " relevance. We are safe when > > > the marriage takes place in the morning and the bride and bridegroom > > > 'officially' unite in the same night. In Balya Vivaha this was not the > > > case. As also, in the multiple relationship, it is not always correct > > > that the man has relationship with his declared wife. > > > > > > This is also proved by me in one case. The boy's horscope shows he > > > will have three children. After seven years of marriage with a girl, > > > to whom I promised she will bare a child, (many years before) when she > > > become pregnant, she called me and told me that her husband has > > > already two boys through another girl. So his horoscope leads to > > > believe that he will have three children and the girl, with great > > > difficulty, gave birth to a girl as in her horoscope, after many > years. > > > > > > That is why I carry the doubt about the social declaration of marriage > > > and the results as seen astrologically. > > > > > > Hope I have not loaded with many 'problems' in the matter to all > of you! > > > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > > NC 27514. > > > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Sirs, None of the old areas I have denied, while accepting few from the same, if You have the time to poimt out these, perhaps i can clarify, your misunderstandings, respectfully, Bhaskar. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Baskarji, > > NOTHING - No comments. You have every right to own your views and I appreciate your values. Some areas you deny that they are old and need not be considered. Again, in some areas you refer to some ancient datas told and hearsay. > > Perhaps you are right and I am wrong. > > Please do not waste your time on me. > > Thank you for indulgense. > > Regards as ever, > > Pathi > > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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