Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Sirs, I am greatly indebted to the team of astrologers enlightening me in this matter and giving me variety of approaches. I am thankful to them. I still feel that my intention of raising this point is left unanswered. Please correct me on this. " My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? " Let me make it more clear for my above request. We, in the Vimshotri Desha calculations, reach the point to say to enquirer, that 'You will get married between a date to a date' when I get your explations or approach for the above. Now, my request to you to clarify me is that, " is the given date will be for 'social declaration' of marriage of the couple " , or " date for the physical relationship between them " , which we consider to complete to declare them as 'man and wife'. Today the physical relationship occurs earlier to the social declaration of marriage and vice versa. While I go through many horoscopes in US and UK, I confront this problem. In given dates (periods) they already had the physical relationship, while they are yet to get married (the date for marriage could not fixed). The next is, one is married (no physical relationship took place) and they never had the contact whatsoever since they had to delay (under various situations) coming to the spouse place of stay. Further in one instance, in the given date there was marriage in e-mail exchange (as reported by the mother) but till this day (1 year, two months and 26 days) they have not joined to make a family. Now were are we in committing the dates according to our usual approach and deductions. This I would like to be guided by you all. Thanks for your extremely kind and cooperative motivation towards me. Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Sir, Any marriage seen from the Horoscope, would not just mean physical relationship.but more than that. It would mean a legal stamp, of authority from the Pandit in case of Hindu, Church in case of Christian , and the Maulavi in case of Moheameddan, and the society at large. Only this stamp would make the relationship to be deemed as marriage, and nothing else. Sex (Clandestine)is seen from the 8th house , Love affairs is seen from the 5th house. But legal marriage is to be seen from the 7th house only. Thus the horoscope when. we have to search for the marriage pointer, would only give us the legal marriage. The live in relationships, all have to be checked from the 5th house in connection with the 8th, and 12th. Thus the date of the horoscope showing marriage, would be the date of social declaration of marriage, and may not necessarily be the date of sexual relationship. regards, Bhaskar. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Sirs, > > > I am greatly indebted to the team of astrologers enlightening me in this matter and giving me variety of approaches. I am thankful to them. I still feel that my intention of raising this point is left unanswered. Please correct me on this. > > " My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? " > > Let me make it more clear for my above request. > > We, in the Vimshotri Desha calculations, reach the point to say to enquirer, that 'You will get married between a date to a date' when I get your explations or approach for the above. Now, my request to you to clarify me is that, " is the given date will be for 'social declaration' of marriage of the couple " , or " date for the physical relationship between them " , which we consider to complete to declare them as 'man and wife'. Today the physical relationship occurs earlier to the social declaration of marriage and vice versa. > > While I go through many horoscopes in US and UK, I confront this problem. In given dates (periods) they already had the physical relationship, while they are yet to get married (the date for marriage could not fixed). The next is, one is married (no physical relationship took place) and they never had the contact whatsoever since they had to delay (under various situations) coming to the spouse place of stay. Further in one instance, in the given date there was marriage in e-mail exchange (as reported by the mother) but till this day (1 year, two months and 26 days) they have not joined to make a family. Now were are we in committing the dates according to our usual approach and deductions. > > This I would like to be guided by you all. > > Thanks for your extremely kind and cooperative motivation towards me. > > Pathi > > > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Very well explained. It clarified some questions in my mind. Regards, Krishna --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Sir, > > Any marriage seen from the Horoscope, would > not just mean physical relationship.but > more than that. It would mean a legal stamp, of > authority from the Pandit in case of Hindu, Church > in case of Christian , and the Maulavi in case of > Moheameddan, and the society at large. > Only this stamp would make the relationship to > be deemed as marriage, and nothing else. > > Sex (Clandestine)is seen from the 8th house , > Love affairs is seen from the 5th house. > But legal marriage is to be seen from the > 7th house only. Thus the horoscope when. > we have to search for the marriage pointer, > would only give us the legal marriage. > The live in relationships, all have to be > checked from the 5th house in connection with > the 8th, and 12th. > > Thus the date of the horoscope showing > marriage, would be the date of social > declaration of marriage, and > may not necessarily be the date of sexual > relationship. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , venkatachala pathi > <pathiav > wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > I am greatly indebted to the team of astrologers > enlightening me > in this matter and giving me variety of approaches. I am > thankful to > them. I still feel that my intention of raising this point is > left > unanswered. Please correct me on this. > > > > " My request is if these three segments are necessary to > 'complete' > a marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given > time in > a horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by > portfolio, > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in > combination > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? " > > > > Let me make it more clear for my above request. > > > > We, in the Vimshotri Desha calculations, reach the point > to say to > enquirer, that 'You will get married between a date to a date' > when I > get your explations or approach for the above. Now, my > request to you > to clarify me is that, " is the given date will be for 'social > declaration' of marriage of the couple " , or " date for the > physical > relationship between them " , which we consider to complete to > declare > them as 'man and wife'. Today the physical relationship > occurs > earlier to the social declaration of marriage and vice versa. > > > > While I go through many horoscopes in US and UK, I > confront this > problem. In given dates (periods) they already had the > physical > relationship, while they are yet to get married (the date for > marriage > could not fixed). The next is, one is married (no physical > relationship took place) and they never had the contact > whatsoever > since they had to delay (under various situations) coming to > the > spouse place of stay. Further in one instance, in the given > date > there was marriage in e-mail exchange (as reported by the > mother) but > till this day (1 year, two months and 26 days) they have not > joined to > make a family. Now were are we in committing the dates > according to > our usual approach and deductions. > > > > This I would like to be guided by you all. > > > > Thanks for your extremely kind and cooperative motivation > towards me. > > > > Pathi > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > > NC 27514. > > > > Presently at Chennai India > > Ph 044-23710500 > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Venkatachala, I would always look at the date of marriage as the formal announcement of the marriage or the marriage ceremony itself. That is public at large know that a couple is married, on that day. So in modern terms this would be the date on which people know that the two individuals are living together with an intention of having a lifetime relation. Chandrashekhar. venkatachala pathi wrote: > > Sirs, > > > I am greatly indebted to the team of astrologers enlightening me in > this matter and giving me variety of approaches. I am thankful to > them. I still feel that my intention of raising this point is left > unanswered. Please correct me on this. > > " My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? " > > Let me make it more clear for my above request. > > We, in the Vimshotri Desha calculations, reach the point to say to > enquirer, that 'You will get married between a date to a date' when I > get your explations or approach for the above. Now, my request to you > to clarify me is that, " is the given date will be for 'social > declaration' of marriage of the couple " , or " date for the physical > relationship between them " , which we consider to complete to declare > them as 'man and wife'. Today the physical relationship occurs earlier > to the social declaration of marriage and vice versa. > > While I go through many horoscopes in US and UK, I confront this > problem. In given dates (periods) they already had the physical > relationship, while they are yet to get married (the date for marriage > could not fixed). The next is, one is married (no physical > relationship took place) and they never had the contact whatsoever > since they had to delay (under various situations) coming to the > spouse place of stay. Further in one instance, in the given date there > was marriage in e-mail exchange (as reported by the mother) but till > this day (1 year, two months and 26 days) they have not joined to make > a family. Now were are we in committing the dates according to our > usual approach and deductions. > > This I would like to be guided by you all. > > Thanks for your extremely kind and cooperative motivation towards me. > > Pathi > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Venkatachalaji This is a nice question. Marriage as per shastras are of different types: I am sure you would know the types including Gandharva Vivaha, etc. However, there are only two which are sanctioned as acceptable by the shastras. Without going into details. A live-in relationship is a modern form of a Gandharva Vivaha. When something is to be acceptable by the Shastras, the role of the Dharma lords could be paramount. Lord of the 9th house can possibly play a big role. Jupiter and Saturn can play a big role. I am much too young and naive to present you with a clear cut answers, but, the line of thinking should be to diagnose each of the said marriages and see what grahas and house lord would be responsible. Just a few months back, I was going through one chart and due to some combinations (cannot share here due to privacy reasons), it was evident that a father's friend had sexually abused this girl in young life. Krura grahas can force things on a person. Your questions can be analysed in the following manner: 1. Types of Marriages - What are possible combinations and case studies 2. Combinations of Sexual Abuse and Rape (considered to be a Rakshah Vivaha? ) 3. Combinations of Modern Relationships - Contract marriages, Same sex marriages, etc. (I remember a case in which Britney Spears got drunk and married one guy, the next day they were divorced) Hope I am reading your queries right and making some sense here. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/18/07, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Sirs, > > > I am greatly indebted to the team of astrologers enlightening me in this > matter and giving me variety of approaches. I am thankful to them. I still > feel that my intention of raising this point is left unanswered. Please > correct me on this. > > " My request is if these three segments are necessary to 'complete' a > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the given time in a > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by portfolio, and by > inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in combination as reached in > DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it? " > > Let me make it more clear for my above request. > > We, in the Vimshotri Desha calculations, reach the point to say to > enquirer, that 'You will get married between a date to a date' when I get > your explations or approach for the above. Now, my request to you to clarify > me is that, " is the given date will be for 'social declaration' of marriage > of the couple " , or " date for the physical relationship between them " , which > we consider to complete to declare them as 'man and wife'. Today the > physical relationship occurs earlier to the social declaration of marriage > and vice versa. > > While I go through many horoscopes in US and UK, I confront this problem. > In given dates (periods) they already had the physical relationship, while > they are yet to get married (the date for marriage could not fixed). The > next is, one is married (no physical relationship took place) and they never > had the contact whatsoever since they had to delay (under various > situations) coming to the spouse place of stay. Further in one instance, in > the given date there was marriage in e-mail exchange (as reported by the > mother) but till this day (1 year, two months and 26 days) they have not > joined to make a family. Now were are we in committing the dates according > to our usual approach and deductions. > > This I would like to be guided by you all. > > Thanks for your extremely kind and cooperative motivation towards me. > > Pathi > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Mr Chandrasekerji, Thank you very much sir. I am greatful for the time taken by you for this reply. regards Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Dear Bharat, Thanks for your very obsorbing notes on this. You have gone to the variety of involveement cuminating 'marriage'. I am resticting my comments that 'marriage' is a social event, as there is no Planetary influences on both to be read 'together' as they are two individuals standing closely. Whatever happens around these two is a social' affair. Once they share the body and the blood of one gets to the other, I reach the point of marriage being culminated, and the Planetary influence start on them as 'partners'. That is all. This could be found in a horoscope in different methods, which is far from being relevent in the present discussion. So also the 'sanctity' of that culmination. I think I have taken much of your time. My regards to you, sir. Pathi A.V.Pathi, Hindu Vedic Astrologer, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, NC 27514. Presently at Chennai India Ph 044-23710500 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Venkatachalaji Thank you bringing clarity to your earlier remarks. A social sanction of an event can be more relevant than consummation of marriage. The event of oneness within each other's mind would focus the grahas on them as partners. I would respectfully disagree to such a suggestion. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/18/07, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Thanks for your very obsorbing notes on this. You have gone to the variety > of involveement cuminating 'marriage'. I am resticting my comments that > 'marriage' is a social event, as there is no Planetary influences on both to > be read 'together' as they are two individuals standing closely. Whatever > happens around these two is a social' affair. Once they share the body and > the blood of one gets to the other, I reach the point of marriage being > culminated, and the Planetary influence start on them as 'partners'. That is > all. This could be found in a horoscope in different methods, which is far > from being relevent in the present discussion. So also the 'sanctity' of > that culmination. > > I think I have taken much of your time. > > My regards to you, sir. > > Pathi > > A.V.Pathi, > Hindu Vedic Astrologer, > 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapal Hill, > NC 27514. > > Presently at Chennai India > Ph 044-23710500 > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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