Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Namaste, JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly follows BPHS. In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the yoga. Try to use your own understanding and experience, The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. Warm Regards Sanjay P sohamsa , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Jyotisa, > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > October 23,2005 > 13:56:18 > 5:30 East > Place:New Delhi India > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Jyotisa, JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly follows BPHS. Have you seen my previous question? That is why i quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. How did you say Moon is partially benefic? In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the yoga. Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora supports nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? Try to use your own understanding and experience, The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a question of My understanding and experience. Thanks, S.Venkatesh sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Namaste,JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly follows BPHS. In thegiven chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a purer sense the thepresence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify theyoga. Try to use your own understanding and experience, The List ofYoga given by JHora can be used for pointers.Warm RegardsSanjay Psohamsa , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote:> |JAI SRIRAM|> Dear Jyotisa,> > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following> details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three> kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun).> October 23,2005> 13:56:18> 5:30 East> Place:New Delhi India> > Thanks,> S.Venkatesh> > > > __> Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol I), it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed if there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in any angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in an angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no sarpa yoga. regards, Lakshmi --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Jyotisa, > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > follows BPHS. > > Have you seen my previous question? That is why i > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the > yoga. > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora supports > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > Try to use your own understanding and experience, > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for > pointers. > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > Namaste, > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > follows BPHS. In the > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a purer > sense the the > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > potentially nullify the > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > experience, The List of > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa > Yoga for the following > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth > has malefics three > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > October 23,2005 > > 13:56:18 > > 5:30 East > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > __ > > Start your day with - make it your home > page > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Lakshmi, Thank you very much for your reply and the quotes from GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of BPHS and unable to find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the soft copy " Ch. 35. Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 Kendras are occupied by benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so placed will cause Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, produce benefic and malefic results " . I don't think Jhora follows the book you had mentioned since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga,HE has Jupiter exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In my chart Venus in its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa yoga still Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol I), > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed if > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in any > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in an > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no sarpa > yoga. > > regards, > Lakshmi > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > follows BPHS. > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is why i > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the > > yoga. > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora supports > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > Try to use your own understanding and experience, > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for > > pointers. > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Namaste, > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > follows BPHS. In the > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a purer > > sense the the > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > potentially nullify the > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > experience, The List of > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa > > Yoga for the following > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth > > has malefics three > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > October 23,2005 > > > 13:56:18 > > > 5:30 East > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Start your day with - make it your home > > page > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that Parasara, when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and 10th houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a kendra and a kona. In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated in lagna? Regards, Lakshmi --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > Thank you very much for your reply and > the quotes from > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of BPHS > and unable to > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the soft > copy " Ch. 35. > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 Kendras > are occupied by > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > placed will cause > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > produce benefic and > malefic results " . > I don't think Jhora follows the book > you had mentioned > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > my chart Venus in > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa yoga > still Jhora shows > Sarpa Yoga. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > I), > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed > if > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > any > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > in an > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > sarpa > > yoga. > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is why > i > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the > > > yoga. > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > supports > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > experience, > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for > > > pointers. > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > Namaste, > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > purer > > > sense the the > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > potentially nullify the > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > experience, The List of > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa > > > Yoga for the following > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > birth > > > has malefics three > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > 5:30 East > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Start your day with - make it your home > > > page > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, There could be some discrepancy in the software, because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to include Rahu & ketu. On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The kendras include lagna also, but the definition is limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference to the yoga(s). Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure Narasimha's reply will educate us further. Regards, Lakshmi --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > Parasara, > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > 10th > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > kendra and a kona. > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > in > lagna? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > and > > the quotes from > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > BPHS > > and unable to > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > soft > > copy " Ch. 35. > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > Kendras > > are occupied by > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > placed will cause > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > produce benefic and > > malefic results " . > > I don't think Jhora follows the > book > > you had mentioned > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > my chart Venus in > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > yoga > > still Jhora shows > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > I), > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > formed > > if > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > any > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > in an > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > sarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > mostly > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > why > > i > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > the > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > supports > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > experience, > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > for > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > a > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > mostly > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > purer > > > > sense the the > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > experience, The List of > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show > Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > birth > > > > has malefics three > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your > home > > > > page > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear All pranaam Following is sameer's reply to the same query on SJC. It seems to be right.But can any body find mention of " Sun " as not malefic when joined benafic in any scripture. Pranaam Ajay Three points: 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes included). 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa Yoga even if it is broken by benefics. 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart. Best wishes, Samir sohamsa , " ajayzharotia " <zharotia@d...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Pranaam, > > I think Jhora does go beyond just the definition of 3 malefic in > Kendra. > I do not know this for sure but, let me try make some point out of > this. > > According to BPHS > > Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they > are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > always give auspicious result. > > Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For > example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and > 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of > two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be > infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > In Gurudev Sanjay's chat, Jupiter is rising in his own rashi. > For Pisces Ascendant Saturn, Venus, sun, mercury are malefic. > Mars and Moon are benefic. Even though Mars lord 2nd house but he > also owns 9th house.He is killer of lagna ,but does not remain that > malefic because of 9th house lordship.And some how if Mars make > relation with Ascendant and 10 lord he becomes yoga karaka. > > Now, Most important consideration in Sanjay's chart is Ketu is > exalted.Ketu is the co-lord of Scorpio which is 9th house. So instead > of Mars ketu is stronger.Ketu will give result of 9th house. > So Mars, obviously lose its benefic aspect hence become malefic > > Second, Mars is deposited by Mercury which is malefic and placed in > Dustshtaan. > > May be because of this Jhora consider this as giver of bad result. > and show sarpa yoga in his case. > > Now another case, In the Same manner for given data > > October 23,2005 > 13:56:18 > 5:30 East > Place: New Delhi India > > You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > Sagittarius ascendant. > > Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house > therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > So sarpa yoga does not constitute. > > > I request Gurudev to put some light on this > > > Pranaam > > > Ajay > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > > to the yoga(s). > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > Parasara, > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > 10th > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > > in > > > lagna? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > > and > > > > the quotes from > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > BPHS > > > > and unable to > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > soft > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > > Kendras > > > > are occupied by > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > > > placed will cause > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > > > produce benefic and > > > > malefic results " . > > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > > book > > > > you had mentioned > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > > yoga > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > > > I), > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > > formed > > > > if > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > > > any > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > > > in an > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > > > sarpa > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > > mostly > > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > > > why > > > > i > > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > > > the > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > > supports > > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > > experience, > > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > > > for > > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > > Sarpa > > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > > > a > > > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > > mostly > > > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > > > purer > > > > > > sense the the > > > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > > experience, The List of > > > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show > > > Sarpa > > > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > > > birth > > > > > > has malefics three > > > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your > > > home > > > > > > page > > > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Jyotisa, Only Mercury is considered benefic if it joins with benefics,I don't think it is for Sun and i don't think Jhora consider these kind of defintions for Sarpa Yoga, for the following birth details Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga APR 12 2005 23:30:42 Place:New Delhi India Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- ajayzharotia <zharotia wrote: > Dear All > > pranaam > > Following is sameer's reply to the same query on SJC. It seems to > be > right.But can any body find mention of " Sun " as not malefic when > joined benafic in any scripture. > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > Three points: > > 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the > functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed > when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes > included). > > 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa > Yoga > even if it is broken by benefics. > > 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by > Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the > purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when > > joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and > Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa > Yoga in the chart. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > sohamsa , " ajayzharotia " <zharotia@d...> > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Pranaam, > > > > I think Jhora does go beyond just the definition of 3 malefic in > > Kendra. > > I do not know this for sure but, let me try make some point out > of > > this. > > > > According to BPHS > > > > Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when > they > > are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not > give > > auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > > always give auspicious result. > > > > Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > > ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. > For > > example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th > and > > 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > > benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord > of > > two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to > be > > infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > > > In Gurudev Sanjay's chat, Jupiter is rising in his own rashi. > > For Pisces Ascendant Saturn, Venus, sun, mercury are malefic. > > Mars and Moon are benefic. Even though Mars lord 2nd house but he > > > also owns 9th house.He is killer of lagna ,but does not remain > that > > malefic because of 9th house lordship.And some how if Mars make > > relation with Ascendant and 10 lord he becomes yoga karaka. > > > > Now, Most important consideration in Sanjay's chart is Ketu is > > exalted.Ketu is the co-lord of Scorpio which is 9th house. So > instead > > of Mars ketu is stronger.Ketu will give result of 9th house. > > So Mars, obviously lose its benefic aspect hence become malefic > > > > Second, Mars is deposited by Mercury which is malefic and placed > in > > Dustshtaan. > > > > May be because of this Jhora consider this as giver of bad > result. > > and show sarpa yoga in his case. > > > > Now another case, In the Same manner for given data > > > > October 23,2005 > > 13:56:18 > > 5:30 East > > Place: New Delhi India > > > > You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > > Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus > and > > Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > > though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > > disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > > > Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act > for > > the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > > Sagittarius ascendant. > > > > Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > > become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > > > Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth > house > > therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > > obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > > > So sarpa yoga does not constitute. > > > > > > I request Gurudev to put some light on this > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > > Parasara, > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > > 10th > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > > > in > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > > > and > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > > BPHS > > > > > and unable to > > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > > soft > > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Lakshmi, No,My Venus is in 7th house. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that Parasara, > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and 10th > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > kendra and a kona. > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated in > lagna? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Thank you very much for your reply and > > the quotes from > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of BPHS > > and unable to > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the soft > > copy " Ch. 35. > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 Kendras > > are occupied by > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > placed will cause > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > produce benefic and > > malefic results " . > > I don't think Jhora follows the book > > you had mentioned > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > my chart Venus in > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa yoga > > still Jhora shows > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > I), > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed > > if > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > any > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > in an > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > sarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is why > > i > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > supports > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > experience, > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > purer > > > > sense the the > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > experience, The List of > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > birth > > > > has malefics three > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home > > > > page > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Lakshmi, There are five malefics namely Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu and Ketu.Jhora supports three kendras or more occupied by malefics. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > include Rahu & ketu. > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > to the yoga(s). > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > Parasara, > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > 10th > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > kendra and a kona. > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > in > > lagna? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > and > > > the quotes from > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > BPHS > > > and unable to > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > soft > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > Kendras > > > are occupied by > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > > placed will cause > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > > produce benefic and > > > malefic results " . > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > book > > > you had mentioned > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > > my chart Venus in > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > yoga > > > still Jhora shows > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > > I), > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > formed > > > if > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > > any > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > > in an > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > > sarpa > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > > why > > > i > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > > the > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > supports > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > experience, > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > > for > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > > a > > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > > wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > > purer > > > > > sense the the > > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > experience, The List of > > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > > birth > > > > > has malefics three > > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om gurave Namah Dear Venkatesh, For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three " bodied " malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are reckoned. The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not considered. regards, Lakshmi --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > There are five malefics namely Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > and Ketu.Jhora > supports three kendras or more occupied by malefics. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > planets, > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems > to > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > important > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. > Moon > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > difference > > to the yoga(s). > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among > the > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > Parasara, > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > 10th > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both > a > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, > so > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > situated > > > in > > > lagna? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your > reply > > > and > > > > the quotes from > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > BPHS > > > > and unable to > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > soft > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > > Kendras > > > > are occupied by > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics > so > > > > placed will cause > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > respectively, > > > > produce benefic and > > > > malefic results " . > > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > > book > > > > you had mentioned > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > Sarpa > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > yoga.In > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > > yoga > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > 497-Vol > > > > I), > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > > formed > > > > if > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no > benefic in > > > > any > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury > are > > > > in an > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there > is no > > > > sarpa > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > > mostly > > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That > is > > > why > > > > i > > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon > and > > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially > nullify > > > the > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > > supports > > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > > experience, > > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be > used > > > for > > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > > Sarpa > > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is > not > > > a > > > > > > question of My understanding and > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran > <sanjaychettiar > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear Venketesh, can I have your birth details. Pranaam Ajay sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om gurave Namah > > Dear Venkatesh, > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three " bodied " > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are reckoned. > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not considered. > > regards, > Lakshmi > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > There are five malefics namely Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > and Ketu.Jhora > > supports three kendras or more occupied by malefics. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > planets, > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems > > to > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > important > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. > > Moon > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > > difference > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among > > the > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > > Parasara, > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > > 10th > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both > > a > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, > > so > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > > situated > > > > in > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your > > reply > > > > and > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > > BPHS > > > > > and unable to > > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > > soft > > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > > > Kendras > > > > > are occupied by > > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics > > so > > > > > placed will cause > > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > > respectively, > > > > > produce benefic and > > > > > malefic results " . > > > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > > > book > > > > > you had mentioned > > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > > yoga.In > > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > > > yoga > > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > > 497-Vol > > > > > I), > > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > > > formed > > > > > if > > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no > > benefic in > > > > > any > > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury > > are > > > > > in an > > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there > > is no > > > > > sarpa > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > > > mostly > > > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That > > is > > > > why > > > > > i > > > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon > > and > > > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially > > nullify > > > > the > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > > > supports > > > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be > > used > > > > for > > > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > > > Sarpa > > > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > question of My understanding and > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 dear lakshmiji and venkateshji, jhora does not show sarpa yoga for the attached chart also, but one of the learned members from this forum has informed me that the native has sarpa dosha. can you clarify the same? tvr 9422203510 sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of lakshmi ramesh Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:19 PM sohamsa Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, There could be some discrepancy in the software, because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to include Rahu & ketu. On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The kendras include lagna also, but the definition is limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference to the yoga(s). Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure Narasimha's reply will educate us further. Regards, Lakshmi --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > Parasara, > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > 10th > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > kendra and a kona. > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > in > lagna? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > and > > the quotes from > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > BPHS > > and unable to > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > soft > > copy " Ch. 35. > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > Kendras > > are occupied by > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > placed will cause > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > produce benefic and > > malefic results " . > > I don't think Jhora follows the > book > > you had mentioned > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > my chart Venus in > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > yoga > > still Jhora shows > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > I), > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > formed > > if > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > any > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > in an > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > sarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > mostly > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > why > > i > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > the > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > supports > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > experience, > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > for > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > a > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > mostly > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > purer > > > > sense the the > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > experience, The List of > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show > Sarpa > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > birth > > > > has malefics three > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your > home > > > > page > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Lakshmi, Are you sure? In BPHS it is only mentioned about malefics.How Pt.Sanjay horoscope gets Sarpa Yoga?Do you want many more charts i will give you. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om gurave Namah > > Dear Venkatesh, > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three " bodied " > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are reckoned. > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not considered. > > regards, > Lakshmi > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > There are five malefics namely Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > and Ketu.Jhora > > supports three kendras or more occupied by malefics. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > planets, > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems > > to > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > important > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. > > Moon > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > > difference > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among > > the > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > > Parasara, > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > > 10th > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both > > a > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, > > so > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > > situated > > > > in > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your > > reply > > > > and > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > > BPHS > > > > > and unable to > > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > > soft > > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > > > Kendras > > > > > are occupied by > > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics > > so > > > > > placed will cause > > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > > respectively, > > > > > produce benefic and > > > > > malefic results " . > > > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > > > book > > > > > you had mentioned > > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > > yoga.In > > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > > > yoga > > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > > 497-Vol > > > > > I), > > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > > > formed > > > > > if > > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no > > benefic in > > > > > any > > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury > > are > > > > > in an > > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there > > is no > > > > > sarpa > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > > > mostly > > > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That > > is > > > > why > > > > > i > > > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon > > and > > > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially > > nullify > > > > the > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > > > supports > > > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be > > used > > > > for > > > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > > > Sarpa > > > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > question of My understanding and > > experience. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Rao, This chart has no Sarpa Yoga,but it has Kala Amirta Yoga. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- tvrao <tvrao_agd wrote: > dear lakshmiji and venkateshji, > > jhora does not show sarpa yoga for the attached chart also, but one > of the > learned members from this forum has informed me that the native has > sarpa > dosha. can you clarify the same? > > tvr > 9422203510 > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]On > Behalf > Of lakshmi ramesh > Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:19 PM > sohamsa > Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > include Rahu & ketu. > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > to the yoga(s). > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > Parasara, > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > 10th > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > kendra and a kona. > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > in > > lagna? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > and > > > the quotes from > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > BPHS > > > and unable to > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > soft > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > Kendras > > > are occupied by > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > > placed will cause > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > > produce benefic and > > > malefic results " . > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > book > > > you had mentioned > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > > my chart Venus in > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > yoga > > > still Jhora shows > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > > I), > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > formed > > > if > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > > any > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > > in an > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > > sarpa > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > > why > > > i > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > > the > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > supports > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > experience, > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > > for > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > > a > > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > > wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > > purer > > > > > sense the the > > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > experience, The List of > > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear friends, I guess all of us have Sanjayji's chart. Please check out Daama/Damini yoga (a nabhasa yoga) in his chart, which talks about ALL 7 planets in 6 houses and not about 9 planets in 8 houses. Please refer to page 335 of Brihat jataka (translated by sri suryanarain Rao)and page 125 of 300 Important combinations authored by Sri BV Raman. what I had expressed earlier is not my view but of that of those illustrious authors. Ofcourse, there might be some exceptions about which i am not aware of. I also eagerly await the comments from the gurus. regards, Lakshmi --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > Are you sure? In BPHS it is only mentioned about > malefics.How > Pt.Sanjay horoscope gets Sarpa Yoga?Do you want many > more charts i > will give you. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om gurave Namah > > > > Dear Venkatesh, > > > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three > " bodied " > > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are > reckoned. > > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not considered. > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > There are five malefics namely > Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > > and Ketu.Jhora > > > supports three kendras or more occupied by > malefics. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the > software, > > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > > planets, > > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora > seems > > > to > > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > > important > > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > > > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition > is > > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a > kendra > > > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa > yoga. > > > Moon > > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > > > difference > > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am > sure > > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure > among > > > the > > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > > > Parasara, > > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 > and > > > > > 10th > > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is > both > > > a > > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in > lagna, > > > so > > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by > malefics, > > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > > > situated > > > > > in > > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your > > > reply > > > > > and > > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft > copies of > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > and unable to > > > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In > the > > > > > soft > > > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If > 3 > > > > > Kendras > > > > > > are occupied by > > > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while > malefics > > > so > > > > > > placed will cause > > > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > > > respectively, > > > > > > produce benefic and > > > > > > malefic results " . > > > > > > I don't think Jhora follows > the > > > > > book > > > > > > you had mentioned > > > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > > > Sarpa > > > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > > > yoga.In > > > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha > purusa > > > > > yoga > > > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > > > 497-Vol > > > > > > I), > > > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is > only > > > > > formed > > > > > > if > > > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no > > > benefic in > > > > > > any > > > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & > mercury > > > are > > > > > > in an > > > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence > there > > > is no > > > > > > sarpa > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Lakshmi, In BPHS it is very clear that three kendras occupied by malefics Sarpa Yoga exists.If we go further to other classics then definition may differ.From Kalyana Varmas Saravali Ch21;Nabhasa yogas 18.Asraya and dala yogas Sarpa Yoga exists if all the angles are occupied by malefics.For Jhora look at the brief description about Sarpa Yoga in the yoga section. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear friends, > > I guess all of us have Sanjayji's chart. Please check > out Daama/Damini yoga (a nabhasa yoga) in his chart, > which talks about ALL 7 planets in 6 houses and not > about 9 planets in 8 houses. > > Please refer to page 335 of Brihat jataka (translated > by sri suryanarain Rao)and page 125 of 300 Important > combinations authored by Sri BV Raman. what I had > expressed earlier is not my view but of that of those > illustrious authors. > > Ofcourse, there might be some exceptions about which i > am not aware of. I also eagerly await the comments > from the gurus. > > regards, > Lakshmi > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Are you sure? In BPHS it is only mentioned about > > malefics.How > > Pt.Sanjay horoscope gets Sarpa Yoga?Do you want many > > more charts i > > will give you. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > wrote: > > > > > Om gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, > > > > > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three > > " bodied " > > > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are > > reckoned. > > > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not considered. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > There are five malefics namely > > Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > > > and Ketu.Jhora > > > > supports three kendras or more occupied by > > malefics. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the > > software, > > > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > > > planets, > > > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora > > seems > > > > to > > > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > > > important > > > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > > > > > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition > > is > > > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a > > kendra > > > > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa > > yoga. > > > > Moon > > > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > > > > difference > > > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am > > sure > > > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure > > among > > > > the > > > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > > > > Parasara, > > > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 > > and > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is > > both > > > > a > > > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in > > lagna, > > > > so > > > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by > > malefics, > > > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > > > > situated > > > > > > in > > > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your > > > > reply > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft > > copies of > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > > and unable to > > > > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In > > the > > > > > > soft > > > > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If > > 3 > > > > > > Kendras > > > > > > > are occupied by > > > > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while > > malefics > > > > so > > > > > > > placed will cause > > > > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > > > > respectively, > > > > > > > produce benefic and > > > > > > > malefic results " . > > > > > > > I don't think Jhora follows > > the > > > > > > book > > > > > > > you had mentioned > > > > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > > > > Sarpa > > > > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > > > > yoga.In > > > > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha > > purusa > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > > > > 497-Vol > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, Have you checked up the daama/daamini yoga in Guruji's chart as i have requested? It is clearly mentioned in BPHS that Rahu & Ketu have no independent existence and give/modify the results of either Saturn or Mars respectively or the lords of the houses they inhabit, which ultimately boils down to 7 planets again...those which are seen in the " nabha " or sky. However, I hope the following links & extracts clarify things better. Regards, Lakshmi 1)from the link http://www.vedic astrology.net/nabhasa%20yogas%20main.htm “Nabhasa” means celestial or heavenly. Nabhasa Yogas refer to the arrangement of all seven of the planets in the celestial realm. What is unique about the Nabhasa Yogas is that all seven of the visible planets are considered in the formation of these yogas, leaving aside Rahu and Ketu. These yogas, therefore, indicate the overall effects of the focus of the energies of all the planets, and not just a few. This makes them of the utmost importance in establishing a foundation to the horoscope. All the important classical works on Astrology give the Nabhasa Yogas first, before other yogas, as they reveal the effects inherent within the structure of the horoscope. Even Brihat Jataka, known for its brevity and containing only the most essential components of astrology, devotes an entire chapter to Nabhasa Yogas. Their importance, therefore, must not be overlooked. 2) From the link: http://.org/jyotishdigest/Vol3%20Issue1/volume3issue1.htm The word “Nabhasa” means the sky. As such, the Yogas are formed in the sky with the help of all the three constituents, namely all the seven planets (excluding Rahu and Ketu), all the 12 signs and the 12 houses (including all shodhas vargas - 16 divisional charts), are called the Nabhasa Yogas. In these Yogas, all seven planets participate simultaneously . 3) From the link: http://.org/jyotishdigest/Vol3%20Issue1/nabhasayoga2.htm (ii) Bhujang (Sarpa) Yoga: If all the malefics occupy three angular houses and the benefics are placed in houses other than the angular ones, Bhujang (Sarpa) Yoga is formed. Effects: The native born in Sarpa Yoga will be a crook, cruel, endowed with self-inflicted poverty, always surrounded with miseries of all kinds, and always looking to enjoy others' food and drink. Such Yogas are rarely formed. There are only two malefics Saturn and Mars. When Saturn and Mars are in an angular position and the third angle is joined by Sun (not conjunct with Mercury or Venus), only then this yoga is formed. ( This Yoga is of a common occurrence in horoscopes and yields to adverse results if Rahu and Ketu are placed in 4 th and 10 th houses, though it may not fall in the category of Nabhas yoga ). The Sarpa yoga generates extreme passion and greed. The other features are already discussed under Maala Yoga. --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > In BPHS it is very clear that > three kendras > occupied by malefics Sarpa Yoga exists.If we go > further to other > classics then definition may differ.From Kalyana > Varmas Saravali > Ch21;Nabhasa yogas 18.Asraya and dala yogas Sarpa > Yoga exists if all > the angles are occupied by malefics.For Jhora look > at the brief > description about Sarpa Yoga in the yoga section. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I guess all of us have Sanjayji's chart. Please > check > > out Daama/Damini yoga (a nabhasa yoga) in his > chart, > > which talks about ALL 7 planets in 6 houses and > not > > about 9 planets in 8 houses. > > > > Please refer to page 335 of Brihat jataka > (translated > > by sri suryanarain Rao)and page 125 of 300 > Important > > combinations authored by Sri BV Raman. what I had > > expressed earlier is not my view but of that of > those > > illustrious authors. > > > > Ofcourse, there might be some exceptions about > which i > > am not aware of. I also eagerly await the comments > > from the gurus. > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > Are you sure? In BPHS it is only mentioned > about > > > malefics.How > > > Pt.Sanjay horoscope gets Sarpa Yoga?Do you want > many > > > more charts i > > > will give you. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three > > > " bodied " > > > > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are > > > reckoned. > > > > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not > considered. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > There are five malefics namely > > > Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > > > > and Ketu.Jhora > > > > > supports three kendras or more occupied by > > > malefics. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the > > > software, > > > > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > > > > planets, > > > > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora > > > seems > > > > > to > > > > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > > > > important > > > > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. > The > > > > > > > > > kendras include lagna also, but the > definition > > > is > > > > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are > only 3 > > > > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy > a > > > kendra > > > > > > each, exclusively, to form > srik(mala)/sarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > Moon > > > > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes > no > > > > > difference > > > > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I > am > > > sure > > > > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does > figure > > > among > > > > > the > > > > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is > that > > > > > > > Parasara, > > > > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant > 4, 7 > > > and > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna > is > > > both > > > > > a > > > > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed > in > > > lagna, > > > > > so > > > > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by > > > malefics, > > > > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus > also > > > > > situated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for > your > > > > > reply > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft > > > copies of > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Lakshmi ji, Everyone who taught me Sarpa yoga included nodes in it. Not all naabhasa yogas exclude nodes. Sarpa yoga includes nodes too. What do you mean by Moon is neither a benefic nor a malefic??? Of course, Moon is either a malefic or a benefic based on the day. Parasara clearly taught that. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - " Venkatesh S " <ksvssvk <sohamsa > Cc: <pvr Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:01 AM Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > There are five malefics namely Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu and Ketu.Jhora > supports three kendras or more occupied by malefics. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > >> Om Gurave Namah >> >> Namaste Venkatesh, >> >> There could be some discrepancy in the software, >> because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, >> yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to >> include Rahu & ketu. >> >> On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important >> combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The >> kendras include lagna also, but the definition is >> limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 >> benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra >> each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon >> is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference >> to the yoga(s). >> >> Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure >> Narasimha's reply will educate us further. >> >> Regards, >> Lakshmi >> --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: >> >> > Om Gurave Namah >> > >> > Namaste Venkatesh, >> > >> > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the >> > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that >> > Parasara, >> > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and >> > 10th >> > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a >> > kendra and a kona. >> > >> > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so >> > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, >> > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated >> > in >> > lagna? >> > >> > Regards, >> > Lakshmi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: >> > >> > > |JAI SRIRAM| >> > > Dear Lakshmi, >> > > >> > > Thank you very much for your reply >> > and >> > > the quotes from >> > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of >> > BPHS >> > > and unable to >> > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the >> > soft >> > > copy " Ch. 35. >> > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 >> > Kendras >> > > are occupied by >> > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so >> > > placed will cause >> > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, >> > > produce benefic and >> > > malefic results " . >> > > I don't think Jhora follows the >> > book >> > > you had mentioned >> > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa >> > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter >> > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In >> > > my chart Venus in >> > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa >> > yoga >> > > still Jhora shows >> > > Sarpa Yoga. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > S.Venkatesh >> > > >> > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah >> > > > >> > > > Namaste Venkatesh, >> > > > >> > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol >> > > I), >> > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only >> > formed >> > > if >> > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in >> > > any >> > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are >> > > in an >> > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no >> > > sarpa >> > > > yoga. >> > > > >> > > > regards, >> > > > Lakshmi >> > > > >> > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| >> > > > > Dear Jyotisa, >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and >> > mostly >> > > > > follows BPHS. >> > > > > >> > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is >> > why >> > > i >> > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. >> > > > > >> > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. >> > > > > >> > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? >> > > > > >> > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and >> > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify >> > the >> > > > > yoga. >> > > > > >> > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora >> > > supports >> > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? >> > > > > >> > > > > Try to use your own understanding and >> > > experience, >> > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used >> > for >> > > > > pointers. >> > > > > >> > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the >> > Sarpa >> > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not >> > a >> > > > > question of My understanding and experience. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > >> > > > > S.Venkatesh >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar >> > > wrote: >> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || >> > > > > Namaste, >> > > > > >> > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and >> > mostly >> > > > > follows BPHS. In the >> > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a >> > > purer >> > > > > sense the the >> > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can >> > > > > potentially nullify the >> > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and >> > > > > experience, The List of >> > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. >> > > > > >> > > > > Warm Regards >> > > > > Sanjay P >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S >> > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: >> > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| >> > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show >> > Sarpa >> > > > > Yoga for the following >> > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of >> > > birth >> > > > > has malefics three >> > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). >> > > > > > October 23,2005 >> > > > > > 13:56:18 >> > > > > > 5:30 East >> > > > > > Place:New Delhi India >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > S.Venkatesh >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear List, Namaskar Ok! What is the meaning of having a Sarpa Yoga? The Yoga goes to describe that 3 of the 4 houses in Kendra should be occupied by malefics to form Sarpa Yoga. This means that among the four pillars of your life, three of them should be under malefic influence. Now when you learn about Kendras for the first time, you learn that they are your immediete support in life, and you tend to take on the characteristics of each of the houses in kendra, when you are in their mode of activity. This is unlike the other bhavas where a mere emotion is carried with them. So, if a person has a malefic in the lagna their own nature is malefic. If a person has a malefic in the fourth house, then due to the impact of their childhood they behave like that malefic, i.e. saturn in the fourth house makes a person sorrowful and cold. You can make out the other houses easily. This is also written in my book. So when we go to define what is malefic enough to cause Sarpa Yoga, surely it must be planets which make us act badly. So without doubt nodes, Saturn and Mars fall into this category. The Sun in the kendras makes a person quite arrogant, but sattva guna dominates in the Sun, and hence most people don’t really accept his as a real malefic, but definitely a krura graha. Either way, try to understand what is happening in a Sarpa Yoga – the person is being provoked to act like the malefics when they approach the particular bhava. So even a temporary Sarpa Yoga happens when you go to work, if you have malefics in the tenth house. There is more to Sarpa Yoga such as excess passions and whether these are malefic or benefic passions. But the definition of what is happening to the individual should be clear. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmi ramesh 24 August 2005 20:21 sohamsa Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, Have you checked up the daama/daamini yoga in Guruji's chart as i have requested? It is clearly mentioned in BPHS that Rahu & Ketu have no independent existence and give/modify the results of either Saturn or Mars respectively or the lords of the houses they inhabit, which ultimately boils down to 7 planets again...those which are seen in the " nabha " or sky. However, I hope the following links & extracts clarify things better. Regards, Lakshmi 1)from the link http://www.vedic astrology.net/nabhasa%20yogas%20main.htm “Nabhasa” means celestial or heavenly. Nabhasa Yogas refer to the arrangement of all seven of the planets in the celestial realm. What is unique about the Nabhasa Yogas is that all seven of the visible planets are considered in the formation of these yogas, leaving aside Rahu and Ketu. These yogas, therefore, indicate the overall effects of the focus of the energies of all the planets, and not just a few. This makes them of the utmost importance in establishing a foundation to the horoscope. All the important classical works on Astrology give the Nabhasa Yogas first, before other yogas, as they reveal the effects inherent within the structure of the horoscope. Even Brihat Jataka, known for its brevity and containing only the most essential components of astrology, devotes an entire chapter to Nabhasa Yogas. Their importance, therefore, must not be overlooked. 2) From the link: http://.org/jyotishdigest/Vol3%20Issue1/volume3issue1.htm The word “Nabhasa” means the sky. As such, the Yogas are formed in the sky with the help of all the three constituents, namely all the seven planets (excluding Rahu and Ketu), all the 12 signs and the 12 houses (including all shodhas vargas - 16 divisional charts), are called the Nabhasa Yogas. In these Yogas, all seven planets participate simultaneously . 3) From the link: http://.org/jyotishdigest/Vol3%20Issue1/nabhasayoga2.htm (ii) Bhujang (Sarpa) Yoga: If all the malefics occupy three angular houses and the benefics are placed in houses other than the angular ones, Bhujang (Sarpa) Yoga is formed. Effects: The native born in Sarpa Yoga will be a crook, cruel, endowed with self-inflicted poverty, always surrounded with miseries of all kinds, and always looking to enjoy others' food and drink. Such Yogas are rarely formed. There are only two malefics Saturn and Mars. When Saturn and Mars are in an angular position and the third angle is joined by Sun (not conjunct with Mercury or Venus), only then this yoga is formed. ( This Yoga is of a common occurrence in horoscopes and yields to adverse results if Rahu and Ketu are placed in 4 th and 10 th houses, though it may not fall in the category of Nabhas yoga ). The Sarpa yoga generates extreme passion and greed. The other features are already discussed under Maala Yoga. --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Lakshmi, > > In BPHS it is very clear that > three kendras > occupied by malefics Sarpa Yoga exists.If we go > further to other > classics then definition may differ.From Kalyana > Varmas Saravali > Ch21;Nabhasa yogas 18.Asraya and dala yogas Sarpa > Yoga exists if all > the angles are occupied by malefics.For Jhora look > at the brief > description about Sarpa Yoga in the yoga section. > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I guess all of us have Sanjayji's chart. Please > check > > out Daama/Damini yoga (a nabhasa yoga) in his > chart, > > which talks about ALL 7 planets in 6 houses and > not > > about 9 planets in 8 houses. > > > > Please refer to page 335 of Brihat jataka > (translated > > by sri suryanarain Rao)and page 125 of 300 > Important > > combinations authored by Sri BV Raman. what I had > > expressed earlier is not my view but of that of > those > > illustrious authors. > > > > Ofcourse, there might be some exceptions about > which i > > am not aware of. I also eagerly await the comments > > from the gurus. > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > Are you sure? In BPHS it is only mentioned > about > > > malefics.How > > > Pt.Sanjay horoscope gets Sarpa Yoga?Do you want > many > > > more charts i > > > will give you. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > For the purpose of nabhaasa yogas only three > > > " bodied " > > > > malefics, namely Sun, Mars and Saturn are > > > reckoned. > > > > The chaya grahas, Rahu & ketu are not > considered. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > There are five malefics namely > > > Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu > > > > > and Ketu.Jhora > > > > > supports three kendras or more occupied by > > > malefics. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the > > > software, > > > > > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > > > > > planets, > > > > > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora > > > seems > > > > > to > > > > > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > > > > > important > > > > > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. > The > > > > > > > > > kendras include lagna also, but the > definition > > > is > > > > > > limited to 3 kendras because there are > only 3 > > > > > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy > a > > > kendra > > > > > > each, exclusively, to form > srik(mala)/sarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > Moon > > > > > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes > no > > > > > difference > > > > > > to the yoga(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I > am > > > sure > > > > > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does > figure > > > among > > > > > the > > > > > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is > that > > > > > > > Parasara, > > > > > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant > 4, 7 > > > and > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna > is > > > both > > > > > a > > > > > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed > in > > > lagna, > > > > > so > > > > > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by > > > malefics, > > > > > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus > also > > > > > situated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for > your > > > > > reply > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the quotes from > > > > > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft > > > copies of > === message truncated === Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Lakshmi Ji, Namaskar You wrote In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol I), it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed if there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in any angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in an angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no sarpa yoga. Is it really that clearly given? Here is the sloka: kendratrayagataiH saumyaiH pApairvA dalasaMGYakau | kramAnmAlAbhujaMgAkhyau shubhAshubhaphalapradau || 8|| All Parasara says is that if 3 kendras are occupied by benefics, Mala Yoga is formed, and if by malefics, Sarpa Yoga is formed. There is no mention of where the other planets should be. The rest is G C Sharma's own addition. Best wishes, Samir At 14:45 24/08/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 9 Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:00:18 -0700 (PDT) lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga Om Gurave Namah Namaste Venkatesh, In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol I), it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed if there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in any angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in an angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no sarpa yoga. regards, Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Narasimha garu, > Everyone who taught me Sarpa yoga included nodes in > it. I am sure you have very valid reasons for defining Sarpa yoga in jhora in the way it operates and I do realise that it is only my incomplete knowledge and inexperience that make me raise questions. You have the triple benefit of paternal-, parampara- and self- teaching and coupled with your formidable intellect & interpretative skills, I am sure that this discussion is going to give us invaluable insights into formation/operation of yogas, which no book can ever provide. So, I am very happy that this debate is happening and the outcome either way is clearly “Advantage Lakshmi”!:--)) > Not all naabhasa yogas exclude nodes. Sarpa yoga > includes nodes too. I checked out the chapters on Nabhasa yogas in 3 different books and have not come across this inclusion of nodes. Perhaps I missed it. Could you please point out where this is mentioned? > > What do you mean by Moon is neither a benefic nor a > malefic??? Of course, > Moon is either a malefic or a benefic based on the > day. Parasara clearly > taught that. Narasimha garu, please allow me to quote BS Rao on Brihat Jatakam … (i hope you would not misunderstand it) “….If all the malefics are in Kendra it is called sarpa. When the 3 malefics Saturn, Mars and the Sun occupy the 3 kendras without any benefics with them or in the 4th Kendra, it is called sarpa yoga and produces a sorrowful and unpleasant existence. ..only 3 good and 3 evil planets are mentioned and not the Moon. He is both good and bad as he waxes and wanes and his presence or absence makes no difference in the yoga. Suppose the 3 malefics occupy the 3 kendras and a Full moon occupies the 4th Kendra. He does not disturb the Sarpa yoga. Suppose 3 benefics occupy 3 quadrants and a weak moon joins the 4th Kendra, then the yoga is also not disturbed. Infact all the great Maharishis ( Bhattotpala quoted Badarayana, Parasara, Gargi, Satyacharya etc in this context) quoted above have not taken any notice of Chandra in this connection. It is really not clear as to how the moon (manah karaka) governing the mind should have been omitted in these yogas, as many of our miseries are more mental than physical…” My feeling is that Moon is treated as surrogate ascendant in dala yogas, hence is not counted among the “effective” planets. And, Moon, that way is more passive/ reactive than active/pro-active. His responses are more fashioned by the environment (the quadrants to moon) and not really his own (moola-trikona in Vrishabha…chandra is the only planet with moola trikona in another planet’s house!). His relative beneficence or malevolence, is more a strength based on Sun’s distance from him than his own. Like the jala tattwa he represents, he reflects the environment and remains subject to it …he doesn’t usually fight it. And, even when He does fight, the avatara is again reflective of the needs of the Time (yuga)..when fighting animalistic tendencies He became an animal Himself and when fighting a purusha, He became a Maha Purusha…and when dealing with cunning people He became the Master Manipulator… So, moon is more likely to put up with sarpa yoga, rather than break it. Thanks for bearing with my amateurish and inadequate reasoning. Today, I am truly reminded of the Telugu saametha…Hanumanthudi mundu kuppiganthulaa? Looking forward to your reply, Regards, Lakshmi --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > Dear Lakshmi ji, > > Everyone who taught me Sarpa yoga included nodes in > it. > > Not all naabhasa yogas exclude nodes. Sarpa yoga > includes nodes too. > > What do you mean by Moon is neither a benefic nor a > malefic??? Of course, > Moon is either a malefic or a benefic based on the > day. Parasara clearly > taught that. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > - > " Venkatesh S " <ksvssvk > <sohamsa > > Cc: <pvr > Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:01 AM > Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > There are five malefics namely > Sun,Mars,Saturn,Rahu and Ketu.Jhora > > supports three kendras or more occupied by > malefics. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > >> > >> Namaste Venkatesh, > >> > >> There could be some discrepancy in the software, > >> because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 > planets, > >> yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems > to > >> include Rahu & ketu. > >> > >> On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 > important > >> combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > >> kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > >> limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > >> benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a > kendra > >> each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. > Moon > >> is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no > difference > >> to the yoga(s). > >> > >> Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am > sure > >> Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Lakshmi > >> --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > >> > >> > Om Gurave Namah > >> > > >> > Namaste Venkatesh, > >> > > >> > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure > among the > >> > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > >> > Parasara, > >> > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 > and > >> > 10th > >> > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both > a > >> > kendra and a kona. > >> > > >> > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in > lagna, so > >> > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > >> > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also > situated > >> > in > >> > lagna? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Lakshmi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > >> > > >> > > |JAI SRIRAM| > >> > > Dear Lakshmi, > >> > > > >> > > Thank you very much for your > reply > >> > and > >> > > the quotes from > >> > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies > of > >> > BPHS > >> > > and unable to > >> > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In > the > >> > soft > >> > > copy " Ch. 35. > >> > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > >> > Kendras > >> > > are occupied by > >> > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while > malefics so > >> > > placed will cause > >> > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, > respectively, > >> > > produce benefic and > >> > > malefic results " . > >> > > I don't think Jhora follows > the > >> > book > >> > > you had mentioned > >> > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows > Sarpa > >> > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > >> > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa > yoga.In > >> > > my chart Venus in > >> > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha > purusa > >> > yoga > >> > > still Jhora shows > >> > > Sarpa Yoga. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > S.Venkatesh > >> > > > >> > > --- lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah > >> > > > > >> > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > >> > > > > >> > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page > 497-Vol > >> > > I), > >> > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > >> > formed > >> > > if > >> > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no > benefic in > >> > > any > >> > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & > mercury are > >> > > in an > >> > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there > is no > >> > > sarpa > >> > > > yoga. > >> > > > > >> > > > regards, > >> > > > Lakshmi > >> > > > > >> > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > >> > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > >> > mostly > >> > > > > follows BPHS. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That > is > >> > why > >> > > i > >> > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially > benefic. > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Samir, Exclusive occupation of kendras by either benefics or malefics is mentioned by Sage Parasara for dala yogas when he says.... kendratrayagataiH saumyaiH pApairvA... " Eva " also means " only, exclusion, alone " among other things....eg: Satyameva Jayathe...maameva saranam etc Regards, Lakshmi --- Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Lakshmi Ji, Namaskar > > You wrote > > >In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > I), it is clearly > >given that sarpa yoga is only formed if there are > malefics in 3 > >angles and no benefic in any angle. For the given > data, jupiter & > >mercury are in an angle (10th house) from lagna, > hence there is no sarpa yoga. > > Is it really that clearly given? Here is the sloka: > kendratrayagataiH saumyaiH pApairvA dalasaMGYakau | > > kramAnmAlAbhujaMgAkhyau shubhAshubhaphalapradau || > 8|| > All Parasara says is that if 3 kendras are occupied > by benefics, Mala > Yoga is formed, and if by malefics, Sarpa Yoga is > formed. There is > no mention of where the other planets should be. > The rest is G C > Sharma's own addition. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 14:45 24/08/2005, you wrote: > >______________________ > > > >Message: 9 > > Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:00:18 -0700 (PDT) > > lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > >Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga > > > >Om Gurave Namah > > > >Namaste Venkatesh, > > > >In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > I), > >it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed > if > >there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > any > >angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in > an > >angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > sarpa > >yoga. > > > >regards, > >Lakshmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Lakshmi Narasimha is right. We will only be going wrong if we exclude the nodes who are the real sarpa in the definition of sarpa yoga. Naabhasa means sky and these yogas give us an idea of what is sure to dominate throughout life irrespective of dasa. However the sarpa and other malefic yoga when formed with the nodes is said to dominate for a considerable period of time till say 45 years and sometimes more. we have studied many charts in the past and have found this to work showing that the definition of nabhaasa yogas is worth extending in some cases with justification. Other comments below your mail - With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmi rameshThursday, August 25, 2005 1:20 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Sarpa Yoga Om Gurave NamahNamaste Narasimha garu,> Not all naabhasa yogas exclude nodes. Sarpa yoga> includes nodes too.I checked out the chapters on Nabhasa yogas in 3different books and have not come across thisinclusion of nodes. Perhaps I missed it. Could youplease point out where this is mentioned? [s.Rath:] How can sarpa be without the nodes.Kala sarpa and other sarpa yoga must include the nodes. The nabhasa yoga with three body malefics is akin to sarpa formation that dominates the life of the individual. > > What do you mean by Moon is neither a benefic nor a> malefic??? Of course, > Moon is either a malefic or a benefic based on the> day. Parasara clearly > taught that.Narasimha garu, please allow me to quote BS Rao onBrihat Jatakam … (i hope you would not misunderstandit)“….If all the malefics are in Kendra it is calledsarpa. When the 3 malefics Saturn, Mars and the Sunoccupy the 3 kendras without any benefics with them orin the 4th Kendra, it is called sarpa yoga andproduces a sorrowful and unpleasant existence. ..only3 good and 3 evil planets are mentioned and not theMoon. He is both good and bad as he waxes and wanesand his presence or absence makes no difference in theyoga. Suppose the 3 malefics occupy the 3 kendras and a Fullmoon occupies the 4th Kendra. He does not disturb theSarpa yoga. Suppose 3 benefics occupy 3 quadrants anda weak moon joins the 4th Kendra, then the yoga isalso not disturbed. Infact all the great Maharishis (Bhattotpala quoted Badarayana, Parasara, Gargi,Satyacharya etc in this context) quoted above havenot taken any notice of Chandra in this connection. It is really not clear as to how the moon (manahkaraka) governing the mind should have been omitted inthese yogas, as many of our miseries are more mentalthan physical…”[s.Rath:] According to Parasara, the Moon joining a poverty giving combination like the Kemadruma Yoga will only enhance the negative significations of the yoga indicating that once the mind readily accepts the poverty as a fait accompli, it is a confimation of utter poverty throughout life where the dasa will have but little effect. This is in line with the teachings of the other rishi. However if the Moon is strong as in the chart of Krishna and is in the lagna or 7th house then it shall give the intellect the ability to fight the sarpa like the Kaliya mardana sri Krishna. Thats why I always give more emphasis to the special placement of the Moon in 1st or 7th house. Such a Moon shall have over riding powers in matters of longevity also (see rules for method of 3 pairs). [s.Rath:] I have given too may seeds for thought in these few lines. Please consider all of them point by point and revert back. [s.Rath:] BS Rao is not conclusive in his statement and has clearly expressed his doubt about how the Moon is omitted. I have given the necessary input in addition to that of BS Rao. Moon in 1 or 7 or in great strength will break the yoga. So, moon is more likely to put up with sarpa yoga,rather than break it. Thanks for bearing with my amateurish and inadequatereasoning. Today, I am truly reminded of the Telugusaametha…Hanumanthudi mundu kuppiganthulaa?Looking forward to your reply,Regards,Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 ` ïI ra"veNÔ gué_yae nm> om çré räghavendra gurubhyo namaù ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Venkatesh and Lakshmi Ji, To add, Sarpa Yoga is formed by malefics in 3 kendras. Here Rahu and Ketu are exempted as they are Chaya Grahas.So here malefics means, Surya, Kuja,Shani and weak Chandra ie., Krishna Paksha Chandra.Now I Sanjay Ji's chart, Lagna is occupied by Guru a benefic.Only 7th is occupied by Kuja.Eventhough Rahu and Ketu are in 4th and 10th,there is no Sarpa Yoga.I feel Chi.Narasimha has to make these changes in his JHora.Please refer to JD January 2004 for a complete information about Nabhasa Yogas. I hope this helps. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: |JAI SRIRAM|Dear Lakshmi, Thank you very much for your reply and the quotes fromGC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of BPHS and unable tofind out the "no benefic in any angle". In the soft copy "Ch. 35.Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 Kendras are occupied bybenefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so placed will causeBhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, produce benefic andmalefic results". I don't think Jhora follows the book you had mentionedsince in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga,HE has Jupiterexalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In my chart Venus inits own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa yoga still Jhora showsSarpa Yoga.Thanks,S.Venkatesh--- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Venkatesh,> > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol I),> it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only formed if> there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in any> angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are in an> angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no sarpa> yoga.> > regards,> Lakshmi > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:> > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Jyotisa,> > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly> > follows BPHS.> > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is why i> > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga.> > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic.> > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic?> > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and> > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify the> > yoga.> > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora supports> > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga?> > > > Try to use your own understanding and experience,> > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used for> > pointers.> > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the Sarpa> > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not a> > question of My understanding and experience.> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > S.Venkatesh> > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Namaste,> > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and mostly> > follows BPHS. In the> > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a purer> > sense the the> > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can> > potentially nullify the> > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and> > experience, The List of> > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers.> > > > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S> > <ksvssvk> wrote:> > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > > Dear Jyotisa,> > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa> > Yoga for the following> > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth> > has malefics three> > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun).> > > October 23,2005> > > 13:56:18> > > 5:30 East> > > Place:New Delhi India> > > > > > Thanks,> > > S.Venkatesh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > __> > > Start your day with - make it your home> > page > > > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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