Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Dear Satya, I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. Best wishes, Anna SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Satyaji, Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the living indications of that house. So lets say malefics and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the native good properties but will affect the mother in adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I have no interest whatsoever in the said natives horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and again and such childish and immature behavior has been going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has this individual done on the list. Go back into archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is asking him to waste his time and he should refrain from wasting others time as well. Satish --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Satish, > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > when Rahu > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > the Yoga Karaka > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > then it becomes > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > request you please > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > astrologer. > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > consider my wise > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > waste your energy to > teach them astrology. > > Best regards to both of you, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > ________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Anna, The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine blessing will not be there for such discussion. However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification here. There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going to deviate into that direction at this time. For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this axis covering some area of our life; no exception. Best regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Satyaji, > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > native good properties but will affect the mother in > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > this individual done on the list. Go back into > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > from wasting others time as well. > > Satish > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > when Rahu > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > the Yoga Karaka > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > then it becomes > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > request you please > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > astrologer. > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > consider my wise > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > waste your energy to > > teach them astrology. > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > ________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Satya, Thank you for this post and sharing. I hope you, and other true knowledge seekers, won't get discouraged by minority of those 'unbalanced' attention seekers. For the same reason I personally avoid posting, though. It certainly does injustice to jyotish in general. I have hard time understanding the reason why jyotish net-lists get spoiled by ego-mania-phenomenon so often! It's indeed contrary to /my understanding of/Jyotish. Some mystic qualities make Rahu and ketu axis so interesting to explore, and their nature, as you said, should be carefully examined and followed up. Many astrologers think that what one gains in Rahu dasa loses at the end of it- and I have seen that many times- but when it doesn't happen it seems to be related to type of aspects formed in a particular chart. For that reason I'd be appreciate if you'd share titles-articles on this ever interesting issue. I look forward to reading your posts on this List! Regards, Anna Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: Dear Anna, The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine blessing will not be there for such discussion. However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification here. There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going to deviate into that direction at this time. For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this axis covering some area of our life; no exception. Best regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Satyaji, > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > native good properties but will affect the mother in > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > this individual done on the list. Go back into > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > from wasting others time as well. > > Satish > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > when Rahu > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > the Yoga Karaka > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > then it becomes > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > request you please > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > astrologer. > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > consider my wise > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > waste your energy to > > teach them astrology. > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > ________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Shri Satya ji, If I may add: Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another yoga graha as shubha. IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of astrology) - we look at functional " results " . For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement for leo native. Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are considered shubha. perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the functional results of mars and rahu !! regards / Prafulla , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Anna, > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > here. > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > Best regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > Satyaji, > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > Satish > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > when Rahu > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > then it becomes > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > request you please > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > astrologer. > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > consider my wise > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > waste your energy to > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Rahu + mars in Lagna, in Leo sign, is a great Rajyoga, Those who have read Shastras well, may quote us the required shloka. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Satyaji, > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > native good properties but will affect the mother in > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > this individual done on the list. Go back into > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > from wasting others time as well. > > Satish > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > when Rahu > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > the Yoga Karaka > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > then it becomes > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > request you please > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > astrologer. > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > consider my wise > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > waste your energy to > > teach them astrology. > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > ________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Sri Prafulla, Nice explanation. Thanks, Satya S Kolachina , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > If I may add: > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > yoga graha as shubha. > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > for leo native. > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > considered shubha. > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > here. > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > when Rahu > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > then it becomes > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > request you please > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > consider my wise > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > waste your energy to > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and thereby connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that you mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have advised Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri Vishnusahastranama and Ram Raksha Stotra. Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects them to Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It is the Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the antidote of an illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him immensely. I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been expressed directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as people pounce upon him knowing his weakness to react. If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and certainly, I wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > If I may add: > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > yoga graha as shubha. > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > for leo native. > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > considered shubha. > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > regards / Prafulla > > <%40>, > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > here. > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > <%40>, > 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > when Rahu > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > then it becomes > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > request you please > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > consider my wise > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > waste your energy to > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Prafulla, Satya, Just wanted to add my 2cents, to complement your nicely described points. I am karka lagna with Mars in swati, currently in Mars MD. Beginning was somewhat stressful /Mars MD, Rahu AD in particular/, but in general it's been pretty good. Exact trine my Mars makes with Rahu in Kumbha makes it conjunct Rahu in Navamsa. I hope some YK blessings will help me out in long Rahu MD, which comes next, although its AntarDasa was very Rahuvian /schocks/ Warm regards, Anna Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: Dear Sri Prafulla, Nice explanation. Thanks, Satya S Kolachina , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > If I may add: > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > yoga graha as shubha. > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > for leo native. > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > considered shubha. > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > here. > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > when Rahu > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > then it becomes > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > request you please > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > consider my wise > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > waste your energy to > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Bharat ji Many thanks for sharing your opinion. I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing publicly on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that Shri Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and then he asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal opinion could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - which was very correct). Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; and role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding effects - like many other factors. regards / Prafulla , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and thereby > connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that you > mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have advised > Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri Vishnusahastranama and > Ram Raksha Stotra. > > Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects them to > Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It is the > Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the antidote of an > illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him immensely. > > I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been expressed > directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as people pounce > upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and certainly, I > wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > If I may add: > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > for leo native. > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > considered shubha. > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > <%40>, > > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > > here. > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > <%40>, > > 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > request you please > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear , When we say a boy and a girl are together, we are expecting the boy to protect the girl from bad influences, elements if any, with a pre-understood concept that Boy has to be more stronger than the girl. But this is not so all the times. We have seen in old and recent times, Savitri who saved her husband from Death, Rani Sati Dadiji, Durga,Kali, Rani Jhansi, our own Indira Gandhi, Sunita William, Kalpana Chawla, Serenea, Navrotilova, Venus , etc.who have proved time and again stronger than most men. Same way for Planets. Though they are classified as Natural benefics, yet they display benefic and malefic natures both, depending on the individual, and hence Dual in results giving nature. Sun in second may provide, good wealth to a Taurus native, but may also provide afllictions to one of the eyes.Sun also has a seperatative tendency wherever its dhrishti falls. Moon in the Lagna may make the Lagna strong for a Cancerian, but may also make the native highly emotional,depending on other factors. We have seen both windfalls and downfalls to seperate natives whose Rahu Dasha has commenced. Same for Saturn. How does one explain these differences apparently. One cannot explain them by just calling a Planet Benefic or Malefic. One has to be agood astrologer to ascertain what Saturn may be for a native, or what Rahu may be for a native. We just cannot call even Venus a passion giving planet and leave it at that, because some natives in the second part of their Venus MD, attain spiritual elevations, which normals can only dream of. Swami Vivekananda, Paramhansa Yogananada, Shivaji Maharaja, have all channelised this abundant energy of Venus into the right channels. therefore let us not claim the Planets to blame. but the individual, in whose hands and karmas lie the power to take out the benefic results from these Dual results giving Planets. Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, Satya, > Just wanted to add my 2cents, to complement your nicely described points. I am karka lagna with Mars in swati, currently in Mars MD. Beginning was somewhat stressful /Mars MD, Rahu AD in particular/, but in general it's been pretty good. > Exact trine my Mars makes with Rahu in Kumbha makes it conjunct Rahu in Navamsa. I hope some YK blessings will help me out in long Rahu MD, which comes next, although its AntarDasa was very Rahuvian /schocks/ > > Warm regards, > Anna > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > Nice explanation. > > Thanks, > Satya S Kolachina > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > If I may add: > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > planet. > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > lagna - > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways > (so > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use > of > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated > with > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in > all > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with > it > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > those > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > lagna > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > karka. > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > for leo native. > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > considered shubha. > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > approach > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have > been > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > basis, > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who > are > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know > we > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > divine > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > clarification > > > here. > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > which > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One > who > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > can be > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not > going > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for > Sani > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > Karkataka > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and > hence > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > partial > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > Mithuna > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > karaka > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is > true > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > planet, > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > delivering > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test > this > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > dependence > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but > that > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they > are > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where > the > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, > they > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding > on > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should > pay > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have > this > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me > to > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta > Lagna > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for > Cn > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > request you please > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Prafullaji The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction were with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, and all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big RY. But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were the effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously with gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but the malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a greater malefic than Saturn. , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > If I may add: > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > yoga graha as shubha. > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > for leo native. > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > considered shubha. > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > here. > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > when Rahu > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > then it becomes > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > request you please > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > consider my wise > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > waste your energy to > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Atma Gnan ji I will refrain from commenting on Shri Bhaskar ji's chart. I feel - we are mixing two different definitions. One is krur / somya; and second one is shubha/ashubha (in english - unfortunately - both have been treated as benefic or malefic). Yes mars is certainly more krur than saturn. We all know - no single parameter works exclusively and same is applicable in dasha phal interpretation. Each planet has so many variables for two different results (may be absolutely contrary ones) for two different natives (even with same lagna). So the dasha phal is one part of the assessment. But generally speaking - mars is first rated yoga karaka and with its association - in kendra / trine - rahu works as great benefic. Shri Bharat explained one of the overriding factor - so in addition - there can be many more factors, when a bad planet even ends up giving excellent results or vice versa. I have rahu in 9th aspected by mars / ketu in third house; and i had excellent rahu mahadasa - (passed my chartered accountancy as youngest in the country; had rank in CA final; got job with India's best management consulting company; went to overseas for job; grown very well in the job and so on..) - but the same rahu bhukti in guru mahadasa was off color. What I meant to convey with my own example - was that dasa or antar dasa can have variable results (sometimes contrary to general principles) due to multiple factors. and that makes jyotish a bit complex subject. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. ************************************************ > > atma_gnan > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:37:19 -0000 > > Re: Rahu-benefic > > Prafullaji > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction were > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, and > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big RY. > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were the > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously with > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but the > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish > wrote: >> >> >> Dear Shri Satya ji, >> >> If I may add: >> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: >> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic >> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu >> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as >> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > planet. >> >> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and >> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has >> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > lagna - >> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another >> yoga graha as shubha. >> >> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways > (so >> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results >> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > use of >> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . >> >> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated > with >> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - >> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in > all >> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > specific >> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > planet >> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm >> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. >> >> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again >> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting >> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > shadbala, >> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > with it >> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. >> >> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > those >> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. >> >> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives >> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > lagna >> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > karka. >> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement >> for leo native. >> >> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their >> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their >> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are >> considered shubha. >> >> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > approach >> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results >> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the >> functional results of mars and rahu !! >> >> regards / Prafulla >> >> , " Satya Sai Kolachina " >> <skolachi@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Anna, >>> >>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling >>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have > been >>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is >>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > basis, >>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who > are >>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > know we >>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > without >>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > divine >>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. >>> >>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > clarification >>> here. >>> >>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > which >>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > One who >>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > can be >>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not > going >>> to deviate into that direction at this time. >>> >>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for > Sani >>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > Karkataka >>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a >>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and > hence >>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > partial >>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > Mithuna >>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka >>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > karaka >>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. >>> >>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is > true >>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > planet, >>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > delivering >>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the >>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test > this >>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > dependence >>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. >>> >>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but > that >>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > they are >>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen >>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where > the >>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would >>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > conclusions >>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, > they >>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > understanding on >>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. >>> >>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays > a >>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the >>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should > pay >>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have > this >>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Satya Sai Kolachina >>> >>> , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Satya, >>>> >>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me > to >>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta > Lagna >>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become >>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and >>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for > Cn >>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Anna >>>> >>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: >>>> Satyaji, >>>> >>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There >>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term >>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect >>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord >>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be >>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle >>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the >>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics >>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the >>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in >>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. >>>> >>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I >>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives >>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and >>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been >>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. >>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has >>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into >>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is >>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain >>>> from wasting others time as well. >>>> >>>> Satish >>>> >>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Sri Satish, >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about >>>>> when Rahu >>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with >>>>> the Yoga Karaka >>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, >>>>> then it becomes >>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would >>>>> request you please >>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise >>>>> astrologer. >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, >>>>> >>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please >>>>> consider my wise >>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not >>>>> waste your energy to >>>>> teach them astrology. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards to both of you, >>>>> >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ________ >>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative >>> vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. >>>> http://autos./green_center/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also got a small recognition in my own family circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again happened on its own, without me spending a single rupee on phone call to anyone,or advertisement, I have been retained for monthly contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological predictions, giving me some source of regular income, am also in process of being appointed by a Company dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of people under me, to sell their products, of course I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can always give positive results, or negative results continously. One has to be practical in approach of imaginations and expectations from the stars. What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would be available to one. regards, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Prafullaji > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction were > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, and > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big RY. > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were the > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously with > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but the > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > If I may add: > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > planet. > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > lagna - > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways > (so > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > use of > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated > with > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in > all > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > specific > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > planet > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > shadbala, > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > with it > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > those > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > lagna > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > karka. > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > for leo native. > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > considered shubha. > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > approach > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have > been > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > basis, > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who > are > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > know we > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > without > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > divine > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > clarification > > > here. > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > which > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > One who > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > can be > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not > going > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for > Sani > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > Karkataka > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and > hence > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > partial > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > Mithuna > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > karaka > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is > true > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > planet, > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > delivering > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test > this > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > dependence > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but > that > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > they are > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where > the > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > conclusions > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, > they > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > understanding on > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays > a > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should > pay > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have > this > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me > to > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta > Lagna > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for > Cn > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > request you please > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Can we try to spell the names right at least? I am Sateesh - the chap being referred to below is actually " Satish " - we are 2 different people, and if the names are spelt in reverse, the list members who have not followed the thread until now may think that " Sateesh " wrote what " Satish " actually did. Thanks. ======== - Prafulla Gang Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:22 AM Re: Rahu-benefic Dear Bharat ji Many thanks for sharing your opinion. I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing publicly on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that Shri Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and then he asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal opinion could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - which was very correct). Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; and role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding effects - like many other factors. regards / Prafulla , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and thereby > connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that you > mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have advised > Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri Vishnusahastranama and > Ram Raksha Stotra. > > Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects them to > Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It is the > Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the antidote of an > illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him immensely. > > I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been expressed > directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as people pounce > upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and certainly, I > wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > If I may add: > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > for leo native. > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > considered shubha. > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > <%40>, > > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > > here. > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > <%40>, > > 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > request you please > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Bhaskarji Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events are likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all members make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a focussed discussion. This method of learning is through isolation then intergration into the bigger picture. What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related areas. However, do expect some challenges related to ill health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > got a small recognition in my own family > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > happened on its own, without me spending a > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > people under me, to sell their products, of course > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > always give positive results, or negative results > continously. One has to be practical in approach > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > be available to one. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Prafullaji > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction were > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, and > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big RY. > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were the > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously with > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but the > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > If I may add: > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > planet. > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > lagna - > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways > > (so > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > > use of > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated > > with > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- lanet - > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in > > all > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > specific > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > planet > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > shadbala, > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > with it > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > > those > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > > lagna > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > > karka. > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > > for leo native. > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > approach > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have > > been > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > > basis, > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who > > are > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > know we > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > without > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > divine > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > clarification > > > > here. > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > which > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > > One who > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > > can be > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not > > going > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for > > Sani > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > Karkataka > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and > > hence > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > partial > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > Mithuna > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > > karaka > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is > > true > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > planet, > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > delivering > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test > > this > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > dependence > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but > > that > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > they are > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where > > the > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > conclusions > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, > > they > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > understanding on > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays > > a > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should > > pay > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have > > this > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me > > to > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta > > Lagna > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for > > Cn > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Sri Anna, I will look for relevant article details (that I think are approprite in this regard) and post them here. Please give me a couple of days time. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > > Thank you for this post and sharing. I hope you, and other true knowledge seekers, won't get discouraged by minority of those 'unbalanced' attention seekers. For the same reason I personally avoid posting, though. It certainly does injustice to jyotish in general. I have hard time understanding the reason why jyotish net-lists get spoiled by ego-mania-phenomenon so often! It's indeed contrary to /my understanding of/Jyotish. > > Some mystic qualities make Rahu and ketu axis so interesting to explore, and their nature, as you said, should be carefully examined and followed up. Many astrologers think that what one gains in Rahu dasa loses at the end of it- and I have seen that many times- but when it doesn't happen it seems to be related to type of aspects formed in a particular chart. For that reason I'd be appreciate if you'd share titles-articles on this ever interesting issue. > I look forward to reading your posts on this List! > Regards, > Anna > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Anna, > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > here. > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? One who > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same can be > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for Sani > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and hence > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is true > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole dependence > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when they are > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, they > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > Best regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > Satyaji, > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > Satish > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > when Rahu > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > then it becomes > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > request you please > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > astrologer. > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > consider my wise > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > waste your energy to > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? // In absence of other planetary positions- a) Agressive speech. b) Eating habits not proper. c) Not good relations with relatives. d) Much detachment from house. e) Problem in eyesight. f) Earnings if any,then in properties. g) Lot of outflow of money. h) Loss of happiness from mother ? i) loss of younger co-born ? j) problems with elders - relations. k) Children issues - problems ? l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot accumplate the desired money. m) Ever left home away from family ? Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and their placements would also change above effects. regards, , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events are > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be > analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all members > make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a > focussed discussion. This method of learning is through isolation > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 > indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related areas. > However, do expect some challenges related to ill > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in H6, > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > > got a small recognition in my own family > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > > people under me, to sell their products, of course > > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > > always give positive results, or negative results > > continously. One has to be practical in approach > > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > > be available to one. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction > were > > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, > and > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big > RY. > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were > the > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > > > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously > with > > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but > the > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > groups: > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > malefic > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > ketu > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > gives as > > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > > planet. > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > and > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > Parashar has > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > lagna - > > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > another > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > ways > > > (so > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > results > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > modern > > > use of > > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > associated > > > with > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > lanet - > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > in > > > all > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > specific > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > planet > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > harm > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > again > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > complimenting > > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > shadbala, > > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > with it > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - > as > > > those > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > gives > > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > karka > > > lagna > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > yoga > > > karka. > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > placement > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > are > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > approach > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > results > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > feeling > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > have > > > been > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > is > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > personal > > > basis, > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > who > > > are > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > know we > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > without > > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > divine > > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > clarification > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > which > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > karaka? > > > One who > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > same > > > can be > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > not > > > going > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > for > > > Sani > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > Karkataka > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, > a > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > and > > > hence > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > partial > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > Mithuna > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > yogakaraka > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > yoga > > > karaka > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, > it is > > > true > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > planet, > > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > delivering > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > the > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > test > > > this > > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > dependence > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > but > > > that > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > > they are > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > where > > > the > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > would > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > conclusions > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > benefic, > > > they > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > understanding on > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > plays > > > a > > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to > the > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > should > > > pay > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > have > > > this > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > direct me > > > to > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > Ta > > > Lagna > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > and > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > for > > > Cn > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. Heavens assured after death. Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? // > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > a) Agressive speech. > b) Eating habits not proper. > c) Not good relations with relatives. > d) Much detachment from house. > e) Problem in eyesight. > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > g) Lot of outflow of money. > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > i) loss of younger co-born ? > j) problems with elders - relations. > k) Children issues - problems ? > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > accumplate the desired money. > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > their placements would also change above effects. > > regards, > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events are > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be > > analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all members > > make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is through isolation > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 > > indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related areas. > > However, do expect some challenges related to ill > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in H6, > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > > > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > > > people under me, to sell their products, of course > > > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > > > always give positive results, or negative results > > > continously. One has to be practical in approach > > > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > > > be available to one. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction > > were > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, > > and > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big > > RY. > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were > > the > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > > > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > > > > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously > > with > > > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but > > the > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > groups: > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > malefic > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > ketu > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > gives as > > > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > and > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > Parashar has > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > > lagna - > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > another > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > ways > > > > (so > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > results > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > modern > > > > use of > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > associated > > > > with > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > lanet - > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > in > > > > all > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > > specific > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > > planet > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > harm > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > again > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > complimenting > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > > shadbala, > > > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > > with it > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - > > as > > > > those > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > > gives > > > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > > karka > > > > lagna > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > > yoga > > > > karka. > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > placement > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > > are > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > > approach > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > results > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > feeling > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > have > > > > been > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > is > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > personal > > > > basis, > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > who > > > > are > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > > know we > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > > without > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > > divine > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > clarification > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > > which > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > karaka? > > > > One who > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > > same > > > > can be > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > not > > > > going > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > for > > > > Sani > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, > > a > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > and > > > > hence > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > > partial > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > yogakaraka > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > > yoga > > > > karaka > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, > > it is > > > > true > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > > planet, > > > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > delivering > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > the > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > test > > > > this > > > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > > dependence > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > but > > > > that > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > > > they are > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > where > > > > the > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > > would > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > conclusions > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > benefic, > > > > they > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > understanding on > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > plays > > > > a > > > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to > > the > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > should > > > > pay > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > have > > > > this > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > > direct me > > > > to > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > Ta > > > > Lagna > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > and > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > for > > > > Cn > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative > > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Sateeshji, Thanks for confirming there are 2 members of similiar name, which actually I too did not know. Honestly, all the time I was answering Satish, I was wondering in my mind " How is Sateesh behaving like this ? He was always a good well wisher if my memory serves right " anyway, no one is actually good or actually bad. all behave as per circumstances and provocations demand. regards, Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Can we try to spell the names right at least? > > I am Sateesh - the chap being referred to below is actually " Satish " > > - we are 2 different people, and if the names are spelt in reverse, the list members who have not followed the thread until now may think that " Sateesh " wrote what " Satish " actually did. > > Thanks. > > ======== > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:22 AM > Re: Rahu-benefic > > > Dear Bharat ji > > Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing publicly > on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that Shri > Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and then he > asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal opinion > could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - which > was very correct). > > Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; and > role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding effects > - like many other factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > > > In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and thereby > > connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that you > > mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have advised > > Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > Vishnusahastranama and > > Ram Raksha Stotra. > > > > Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects them to > > Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It is the > > Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the antidote > of an > > illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him immensely. > > > > I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been > expressed > > directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > people pounce > > upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > > > If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > certainly, I > > wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > If I may add: > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two groups: > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and malefic > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / ketu > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury gives as > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur planet. > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic and > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar has > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific lagna - > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with another > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur ways (so > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly results > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern use of > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if associated with > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p-lanet - > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive in all > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for specific > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so planet > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can harm > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is again > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / complimenting > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its shadbala, > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated with it > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as those > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka lagna > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga karka. > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent placement > > > for leo native. > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say approach > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional results > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not feeling > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I have been > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance is > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal basis, > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those who are > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I know we > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, without > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the divine > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my clarification > > > > here. > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, which > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > One who > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > can be > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am not going > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, for > Sani > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for Karkataka > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house and > hence > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its partial > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for Mithuna > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full yogakaraka > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga karaka > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it is > true > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka planet, > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of delivering > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, the > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who test this > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > dependence > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; but that > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > they are > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, where the > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to conclusions > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become benefic, > they > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper understanding on > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in predictions. > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope plays a > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer should pay > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do have this > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct me to > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for Ta Lagna > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars and > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, for Cn > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Bhaskarji, My suggestion was maybe shifting you lagna back to Cancer, but at that time did not have access to your chart. Seeing your chart now I doubt if your birthtime is off by this mark (1 hour +)- but the said configurations were those related to the subsequent placements should you treat Cancer as lagna. Anyway as a long shot, would any of the list below apply to yourself ? Have you considered Cancer lagna? Also something that has intrigued me recently, what would be the implications of Mars placed in the 10th house(mainly Aries) in most of the divisionals? eg. Rasi, D9, D4, D3, D60(birth time accurate up to seconds). The last chart I had seen with Mars consistent in the 1st house in Libra, i.e as a first rate Maraka in several divisionals led to an early death due to muscle atrophy of the native at the age of 18, during Mars dasha. I've seen Mars in 10th linked to medium to low longevity so this maybe one indication, but have you any insights? Of course usual disclaimer about other factors needing to be considered is assumed. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. > Heavens assured after death. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 > > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? // > > > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > > > a) Agressive speech. > > b) Eating habits not proper. > > c) Not good relations with relatives. > > d) Much detachment from house. > > e) Problem in eyesight. > > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > > g) Lot of outflow of money. > > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > > i) loss of younger co-born ? > > j) problems with elders - relations. > > k) Children issues - problems ? > > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > > accumplate the desired money. > > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > > their placements would also change above effects. > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events are > > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be > > > analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all members > > > make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a > > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is through isolation > > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 > > > indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related areas. > > > However, do expect some challenges related to ill > > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. > > > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in H6, > > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > > > > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > > > > people under me, to sell their products, of course > > > > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > > > > always give positive results, or negative results > > > > continously. One has to be practical in approach > > > > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > > > > be available to one. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu conjunction > > > were > > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur aspect > > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at all, > > > and > > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a big > > > RY. > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what were > > > the > > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a more > > > > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g unexpected > > > > > disputes). Of course this could have occured simultaneously > > > with > > > > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), but > > > the > > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars as a > > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > groups: > > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > malefic > > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > > ketu > > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > gives as > > > > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > > and > > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > > Parashar has > > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > another > > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > > ways > > > > > (so > > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > results > > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > > modern > > > > > use of > > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > associated > > > > > with > > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > > lanet - > > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > > > specific > > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > > > planet > > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > > harm > > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > > again > > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > complimenting > > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > > > with it > > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - > > > as > > > > > those > > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > > > gives > > > > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > > > karka > > > > > lagna > > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > > > yoga > > > > > karka. > > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > placement > > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > > > are > > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > > > approach > > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > results > > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > feeling > > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > > is > > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > > personal > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > > who > > > > > are > > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > > > know we > > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > > > without > > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > > > divine > > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > > clarification > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > > > which > > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > > karaka? > > > > > One who > > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > > > same > > > > > can be > > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > not > > > > > going > > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > > for > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, > > > a > > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > > and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > > > partial > > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > yogakaraka > > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > > > yoga > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, > > > it is > > > > > true > > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > > delivering > > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > the > > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > test > > > > > this > > > > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > > > dependence > > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > > > > they are > > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > where > > > > > the > > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > > > would > > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > benefic, > > > > > they > > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > > understanding on > > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > plays > > > > > a > > > > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages to > > > the > > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > should > > > > > pay > > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > have > > > > > this > > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > > > direct me > > > > > to > > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > Ta > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > and > > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > > for > > > > > Cn > > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > > alternative > > > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, If you believe me, I knwo you were asking me to predict about myself, by shifting the Lagna. I was expecting you to advise me shifting the Lagna,of course that is retracked now by you, is good. I have already rectified my Birth time to 10.15.30 and one member (Was it you) has also rectified it to 10.15.48 . Yogi Karveji rectified it to 10.16. My own Guruji, the best KP astrologer in India, also said 15+ . All above rectifications made without consultations of each other, and no influences of any kinds, and no resorts to any finding out of actual hapennings in my Life. ( I had rectfied through the Ruling Planets at time of judgement, so had my Guruji when I had gone to meet him one day, Yogi Karve just looks in the air and does some calculation, only he knows what) I am not sure what You are speaking about Mars. Death due to muscle atrophy and low longevity . You are scaring me no wits. Are You suggesting me Muscle atrophy in face or something ? My Saturn is strong and Sun is also strong. But still get scared. Because Mars placed in badhaksthana in 9th house. please advise, regards, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > My suggestion was maybe shifting you lagna back to Cancer, but at > that time did not have access to your chart. Seeing your chart now I > doubt if your birthtime is off by this mark (1 hour +)- but the said > configurations were those related to the subsequent placements should > you treat Cancer as lagna. > > Anyway as a long shot, would any of the list below apply to yourself ? > Have you considered Cancer lagna? > > Also something that has intrigued me recently, what would be the > implications of Mars placed in the 10th house(mainly Aries) in most > of the divisionals? eg. Rasi, D9, D4, D3, D60(birth time accurate up > to seconds). The last chart I had seen with Mars consistent in the > 1st house in Libra, i.e as a first rate Maraka in several divisionals > led to an early death due to muscle atrophy of the native at the age > of 18, during Mars dasha. I've seen Mars in 10th linked to medium to > low longevity so this maybe one indication, but have you any insights? > > Of course usual disclaimer about other factors needing to be > considered is assumed. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. > > Heavens assured after death. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 > > > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? // > > > > > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > > > > > a) Agressive speech. > > > b) Eating habits not proper. > > > c) Not good relations with relatives. > > > d) Much detachment from house. > > > e) Problem in eyesight. > > > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > > > g) Lot of outflow of money. > > > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > > > i) loss of younger co-born ? > > > j) problems with elders - relations. > > > k) Children issues - problems ? > > > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > > > accumplate the desired money. > > > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > > > > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > > > their placements would also change above effects. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events > are > > > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be > > > > analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all > members > > > > make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a > > > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is through > isolation > > > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 > > > > indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related > areas. > > > > However, do expect some challenges related to ill > > > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. > > > > > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in > H6, > > > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > > > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > > > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > > > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > > > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > > > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > > > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > > > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > > > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > > > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > > > > > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > > > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > > > > > people under me, to sell their products, of course > > > > > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > > > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > > > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > > > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > > > > > always give positive results, or negative results > > > > > continously. One has to be practical in approach > > > > > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > > > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > > > > > be available to one. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu > conjunction > > > > were > > > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur > aspect > > > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at > all, > > > > and > > > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a > big > > > > RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what > were > > > > the > > > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a > more > > > > > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g > unexpected > > > > > > disputes). Of course this could have occured > simultaneously > > > > with > > > > > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), > but > > > > the > > > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars > as a > > > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > groups: > > > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic > and > > > > malefic > > > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > rahu / > > > > ketu > > > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc > (mercury > > > > gives as > > > > > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as > krur > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional > malefic > > > > and > > > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > > > Parashar has > > > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any > specific > > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona > with > > > > another > > > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through > krur > > > > ways > > > > > > (so > > > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for > worldly > > > > results > > > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > > > modern > > > > > > use of > > > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > associated > > > > > > with > > > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any > p- > > > > lanet - > > > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > positive > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations > for > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - > so > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus > can > > > > harm > > > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a > lagna is > > > > again > > > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > complimenting > > > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, > its > > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > associated > > > > > > with it > > > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi > dispositors - > > > > as > > > > > > those > > > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha > rashi > > > > gives > > > > > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > > > > karka > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu > as > > > > yoga > > > > > > karka. > > > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > placement > > > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of > their > > > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But > their > > > > > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and > lordship > > > > are > > > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can > say > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. > Functional > > > > results > > > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - > the > > > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am > not > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. > I > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining > balance > > > > is > > > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > > > personal > > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; > those > > > > who > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave > balanced; I > > > > > > know we > > > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising > balance, > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; > because the > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > > > clarification > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier > mail, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > > > karaka? > > > > > > One who > > > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. > THe > > > > same > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I > am > > > > not > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga > karaka, > > > > for > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and > for > > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other > lagnas, > > > > a > > > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic > house > > > > and > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses > its > > > > > > partial > > > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For > example for > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > yogakaraka > > > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a > fully > > > > yoga > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga > karaka, > > > > it is > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga > Karaka > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility > of > > > > > > delivering > > > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in > addition, > > > > the > > > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those > who > > > > test > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; > sole > > > > > > dependence > > > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they > shower; > > > > but > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent > when > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically > seen > > > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both > cases, > > > > where > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. > I > > > > would > > > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > benefic, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > > > understanding on > > > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any > horoscope > > > > plays > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every > astrologer > > > > should > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us > do > > > > have > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar > <bona_mente@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > > > > direct me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. > for > > > > Ta > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that > Rahu/Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as > well, > > > > for > > > > > > Cn > > > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > > > alternative > > > > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Bhaskerji Was your birthtime rectified forwards or backwards? I've heard much about Yogi Karve, he seems to have tantric abilities : what else can explain his method? Muslce atrophy/longevity related to Mars was highlighted in the context of Mars, and as an example as marak lord (Libra asc) being in H1 in several divisions. I was hoping for an insight on Mars placed predominantly in Aries, H10 in most diviosnlas. My take was to link it to longevity, but wasnt too sure. Please be assured that this was not in anyway directed toweards your chart as :firstly Mars dasha has passed, secondly Mars is Yk in rasi and thridly it does not occupy lagna in most divisonals. I apologise if my message came across ambioguly! My view (expressed with my limited knowladge) is that your health should be OK, but there may be problems in this area that you will overcome. So nothing serious, especially if you pass Rahu-Rahu-Jup and Rahu-Rahu-Sat in good health. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > If you believe me, I knwo you were asking > me to predict about myself, by shifting > the Lagna. > > I was expecting you to advise me shifting the > Lagna,of course that is retracked now by you, is good. > I have already rectified my Birth time to 10.15.30 > and one member (Was it you) has also rectified it to > 10.15.48 . Yogi Karveji rectified it to 10.16. > My own Guruji, the best KP astrologer in India, > also said 15+ . All above rectifications made > without consultations of each other, and no > influences of any kinds, and no resorts to any > finding out of actual hapennings in my Life. > ( I had rectfied through the Ruling Planets > at time of judgement, so had my Guruji when > I had gone to meet him one day, Yogi Karve > just looks in the air and does some calculation, > only he knows what) > > I am not sure what You are speaking > about Mars. Death due to muscle atrophy > and low longevity . You are scaring me > no wits. Are You suggesting me > Muscle atrophy in face or something ? > My Saturn is strong and Sun is also > strong. But still get scared. Because > Mars placed in badhaksthana in 9th house. > > please advise, > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > My suggestion was maybe shifting you lagna back to Cancer, but at > > that time did not have access to your chart. Seeing your chart now I > > doubt if your birthtime is off by this mark (1 hour +)- but the said > > configurations were those related to the subsequent placements should > > you treat Cancer as lagna. > > > > Anyway as a long shot, would any of the list below apply to yourself ? > > Have you considered Cancer lagna? > > > > Also something that has intrigued me recently, what would be the > > implications of Mars placed in the 10th house(mainly Aries) in most > > of the divisionals? eg. Rasi, D9, D4, D3, D60(birth time accurate up > > to seconds). The last chart I had seen with Mars consistent in the > > 1st house in Libra, i.e as a first rate Maraka in several divisionals > > led to an early death due to muscle atrophy of the native at the age > > of 18, during Mars dasha. I've seen Mars in 10th linked to medium to > > low longevity so this maybe one indication, but have you any insights? > > > > Of course usual disclaimer about other factors needing to be > > considered is assumed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. > > > Heavens assured after death. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 > > > > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? // > > > > > > > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > > > > > > > a) Agressive speech. > > > > b) Eating habits not proper. > > > > c) Not good relations with relatives. > > > > d) Much detachment from house. > > > > e) Problem in eyesight. > > > > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > > > > g) Lot of outflow of money. > > > > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > > > > i) loss of younger co-born ? > > > > j) problems with elders - relations. > > > > k) Children issues - problems ? > > > > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > > > > accumplate the desired money. > > > > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > > > > > > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > > > > their placements would also change above effects. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a variety of events > > are > > > > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other factors must be > > > > > analysed : I think this is an implicit assumption that all > > members > > > > > make when commenting on specific configurations to allow for a > > > > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is through > > isolation > > > > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > > > > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link with H7/H11 > > > > > indicates gains in business/all public or partenrship related > > areas. > > > > > However, do expect some challenges related to ill > > > > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my previous analsyis. > > > > > > > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where L1 would be in > > H6, > > > > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to the > > > > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good one. > > > > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very much > > > > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 business > > > > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I also > > > > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which again > > > > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > > > > advertisement, I have been retained for monthly > > > > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly astrological > > > > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular income, > > > > > > am also in process of being appointed by a Company > > > > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a team of > > > > > > people under me, to sell their products, of course > > > > > > I have few options in mind too. All these breakthroughs > > > > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also unpleasant > > > > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely same. > > > > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or antardasha can > > > > > > always give positive results, or negative results > > > > > > continously. One has to be practical in approach > > > > > > of imaginations and expectations from the stars. > > > > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits would > > > > > > be available to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the Mars/Rahu > > conjunction > > > > > were > > > > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, with the krur > > aspect > > > > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications were disputed at > > all, > > > > > and > > > > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in Leo lagna is a > > big > > > > > RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars dasha, so what > > were > > > > > the > > > > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely condition a > > more > > > > > > > volatile character through external pressures (e.g > > unexpected > > > > > > > disputes). Of course this could have occured > > simultaneously > > > > > with > > > > > > > gains in property/comfort and business (functional impact), > > but > > > > > the > > > > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara qualifies Mars > > as a > > > > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > > groups: > > > > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic > > and > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > > rahu / > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc > > (mercury > > > > > gives as > > > > > > > > per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as > > krur > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional > > malefic > > > > > and > > > > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > > > > Parashar has > > > > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any > > specific > > > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona > > with > > > > > another > > > > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through > > krur > > > > > ways > > > > > > > (so > > > > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for > > worldly > > > > > results > > > > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > > > > modern > > > > > > > use of > > > > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > > associated > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any > > p- > > > > > lanet - > > > > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > > positive > > > > > in > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations > > for > > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - > > so > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus > > can > > > > > harm > > > > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional status for a > > lagna is > > > > > again > > > > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > > complimenting > > > > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, > > its > > > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > > > > its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > > associated > > > > > > > with it > > > > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi > > dispositors - > > > > > as > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha > > rashi > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > > > > > karka > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu > > as > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > karka. > > > > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of > > their > > > > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But > > their > > > > > > > > functional " results " for their house occupation and > > lordship > > > > > are > > > > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can > > say > > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. > > Functional > > > > > results > > > > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - > > the > > > > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am > > not > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining > > balance > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > > > > personal > > > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; > > those > > > > > who > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected to behave > > balanced; I > > > > > > > know we > > > > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on exercising > > balance, > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology discussion; > > because the > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > > > > clarification > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier > > mail, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > > > > karaka? > > > > > > > One who > > > > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. > > THe > > > > > same > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I > > am > > > > > not > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga > > karaka, > > > > > for > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and > > for > > > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other > > lagnas, > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses > > its > > > > > > > partial > > > > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For > > example for > > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > > yogakaraka > > > > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a > > fully > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga > > karaka, > > > > > it is > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga > > Karaka > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > then the particular node will take the responsibility > > of > > > > > > > delivering > > > > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in > > addition, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those > > who > > > > > test > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > principle on several charts can confidently say this; > > sole > > > > > > > dependence > > > > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they > > shower; > > > > > but > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent > > when > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically > > seen > > > > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both > > cases, > > > > > where > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. > > I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > > benefic, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > > > > understanding on > > > > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any > > horoscope > > > > > plays > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > very important role and conveys several hidden messages > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that every > > astrologer > > > > > should > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us > > do > > > > > have > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar > > <bona_mente@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > > > > > direct me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. > > for > > > > > Ta > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that > > Rahu/Mars > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as > > well, > > > > > for > > > > > > > Cn > > > > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > > > > alternative > > > > > > > > > vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar and members, According to me no planet is benefic or malefic. It reflects only the effect of the nakshtra on which it transits at the said moment. More over the position, Aspect, conjunction and ownership of house/houses, strength of its dispositor, Navamshesh and the planet makes the planet whether he is benefic or malefic for the individual. So discussion on whether Rahu or Mars or Rahu and Mars is benefic or malefic in not going to bear any fruit. More over the terminology of heaven or hell, moksh or bondage etc. has been discussed and written in our classical book and Puranas without any conclusion. We may be at peace of Mind but are poor, die of hunger, no health facilities, no shelter and clothes etc. Same planets are influencing Americans, Europeans, Asians, and India, whole world. But Economic, Political and social, cultural conditions are different. Western countries are protecting their people and Eastern countries are not able to provide any social, political, and health protection, peoples are suffering. Why? So every thing is not astrological, but otherwise also. --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. > Heavens assured after death. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where > L1 > > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in > H12? // > > > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > > > a) Agressive speech. > > b) Eating habits not proper. > > c) Not good relations with relatives. > > d) Much detachment from house. > > e) Problem in eyesight. > > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > > g) Lot of outflow of money. > > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > > i) loss of younger co-born ? > > j) problems with elders - relations. > > k) Children issues - problems ? > > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > > accumplate the desired money. > > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > > their placements would also change above effects. > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " > <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a > variety of events are > > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other > factors must be > > > analysed : I think this is an implicit > assumption that all members > > > make when commenting on specific configurations > to allow for a > > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is > through isolation > > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link > with H7/H11 > > > indicates gains in business/all public or > partenrship related areas. > > > However, do expect some challenges related to > ill > > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my > previous analsyis. > > > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where > L1 would be in H6, > > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to > the > > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good > one. > > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very > much > > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 > business > > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I > also > > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which > again > > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > > advertisement, I have been retained for > monthly > > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly > astrological > > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular > income, > > > > am also in process of being appointed by a > Company > > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a > team of > > > > people under me, to sell their products, of > course > > > > I have few options in mind too. All these > breakthroughs > > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also > unpleasant > > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely > same. > > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or > antardasha can > > > > always give positive results, or negative > results > > > > continously. One has to be practical in > approach > > > > of imaginations and expectations from the > stars. > > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits > would > > > > be available to one. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the > Mars/Rahu conjunction > > > were > > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, > with the krur aspect > > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications > were disputed at all, > > > and > > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in > Leo lagna is a big > > > RY. > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars > dasha, so what were > > > the > > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely > condition a more > > > > > volatile character through external > pressures (e.g unexpected > > > > > disputes). Of course this could have > occured simultaneously > > > with > > > > > gains in property/comfort and business > (functional impact), but > > > the > > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara > qualifies Mars as a > > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined > planets into two > > > groups: > > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call > natural benefic and > > > malefic > > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / > mars / shani / rahu / > > > ketu > > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, > venus etc (mercury > > > gives as > > > > > > per its association). Many classics are > silent on Ketu as krur > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as > functional malefic > > > and > > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective > lagna. Sage > > > Parashar has > > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or > shubha for any specific > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in > kona / trikona with > > > another > > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to > deliver through krur > > > ways > > > > > (so > > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) > - but for worldly > > > results > > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day > astrology or say > > > modern > > > > > use of > > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional > " results " . > > > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and > rahu / ketu if > > > associated > > > > > with > > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give > yogakarka results. Any p- > > > lanet - > > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not > be outright positive > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / > associations for > > > > > specific > > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement > from each bhava ) - so > > > > > planet > > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet > like guru / venus can > > > harm > > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional > status for a lagna is > > > again > > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are > overriding / > > > complimenting > > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its > dispositor's strength, its > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > > its participation in yoga, its > ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > > > with it > > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions > and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their > rasi dispositors - > > > as > > > > > those > > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic > Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu > and mesha rashi > > > gives > > > > > > excellent results (subject to other > factors); for leo and > > > karka > > > > > lagna > > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes > rahu and ketu as > > > yoga > > > > > karka. > > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign > is an excellent > > > placement > > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - > irrespective of their > > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for > tula native. But their > > > > > > functional " results " for their house > occupation and lordship > > > are > > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of > planets or one can say > > > > > approach > > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its > role. Functional > > > results > > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we > were discussing - the > > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this > forum, I am not > > > feeling > > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences > in this forum. I > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people > maintaining balance > > > is > > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on > others on a > > > personal > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for > an astrologer; those > > > who > > > > > are > > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected > to behave balanced; I > > > > > know we > > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on > exercising balance, > > > > > without > > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology > discussion; because the > > > > > divine > > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I > will give my > > > > > clarification > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned > in my earlier mail, > > > > > which > > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all > what is a yoga > > > karaka? > > > > > One who > > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with > resepct to lagna. THe > > > same > > > > > can be > > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya > lagna also, but I am > > > not > > > > > going > > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani > is the yoga karaka, > > > for > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the > yoga karaka, and for > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga > karaka. For other lagnas, > > > a > > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner > of a malefic house > > > and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense > that it loses its > > > > > partial > > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial > maleficence. For example for > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not > granted a full > > > yogakaraka > > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not > granted a fully > > > yoga > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga > karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association > with yoga karaka, > > > it is > > > > > true > > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated > with the Yoga Karaka > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > then the particular node will take the > responsibility of > > > > > delivering > > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its > dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > the > > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly > reduced; only those who > > > test > > > > > this > > > > > > > principle on several charts can > confidently say this; sole > > > > > dependence > > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence > to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have > maleficence that they shower; > > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to > a large extent when > > > > > they are > > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I > have practically seen > > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective > individuals, in both cases, > > > where > > > > > the > > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme > benefic results. I > > > would > > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members > not to jump to > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. > When they become > > > benefic, > > > > > they > > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not > having a proper > > > > > understanding on > > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible > mistakes in > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis > in any horoscope > > > plays > > > > > a > > > > > > > very important role and conveys several > hidden messages to > > > the > > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that > every astrologer > > > should > > > > > pay > > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu > axis; and all of us do > > > have > > > > > this > > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > 108ar <bona_mente@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, > would you please > > > direct me > > > > > to > > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For > ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > Ta > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and > Saturn become > > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've > learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > and > > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars > trine Rahu as well, > > > for > > > > > Cn > > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a > rajayoga. There > > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a > malefic. The term > > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a > planets that affect > > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in > kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not > mean it would be > > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the > subtle > > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house > will harm the > > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So > lets say malefics > > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house > it may give the > > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect > the mother in > > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am > making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's > horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the > said natives > > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and > sundry time and > > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature > behavior has been > > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped > in the bud. > > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and > agitation what has > > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go > back into > > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a > nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he > should refrain > > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN > Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu > associate with > > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a > Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic > results. I would > > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, > as a wise > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary > attempt. Please > > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. > Please do not > > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of > choices in > > > alternative > > > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green > Center. > > > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for > what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Kursija //According to me no planet is benefic or malefic. It > reflects only the effect of the nakshtra on which it > transits at the said moment. More over the position, > Aspect, conjunction and ownership of house/houses, > strength of its dispositor, Navamshesh and the planet > makes the planet whether he is benefic or malefic for the individual. So discussion on whether Rahu or Mars > or Rahu and Mars is benefic or malefic in not going to > bear any fruit.// Very true. But the characteristics of the natural Malefic and beneficness yet remain, even with the Individual rewards or punishment one gets from these Planets as per his chart. Saturn if Lord of 6th and is given the power to punish (In MD or AD), his punishmenys would come slow and regualrly and lingering, Jupiters would come with inflammation, Rahu and Mars would strike in a minute and close the matter, once the blood has been allowed to flow out of the body. Apart from such natural Maleficness or beneficness, it would otherwise ,I agree with you, no sense to completely decide Rahu is Malefic for all horoscopes or Mars is bad for all horoscopes , or Jupiter is good for all horoscopes. One cannot categorise them.. //More over the terminology of heaven or hell, moksh or > bondage etc. has been discussed and written in our > classical book and Puranas without any conclusion. // Garuda Purana, Srimad Bhagavas etc. has detailed descriptions about heaven and Hell, conclusively.,if one wishes to believe the same. Conclusion is remain good and attain heavens after Deat, remain more good and attain God after Death. Remain bad and attain Hell after Death. Remain more bad and attain ten thousand years without a body, searching for one. // We may be at peace of Mind but are poor, die of hunger, no health facilities, no shelter and clothes etc. // This is collective people of same lot put together. Birds of the same feather flock together. Like the concentration camps of the Nazis. If there had been lots of discrepancies in a single nation, I mean economic diversities, then people would not have been able to digest each others progress. So it is better that poor remain together, and richer remain together, sanyasis remain together and robbers also remain together. The comradeship emotion persists. //Same > planets are influencing Americans, Europeans, Asians, > and India, whole world. But Economic, Political and > social, cultural conditions are different. Western > countries are protecting their people and Eastern > countries are not able to provide any social, > political, and health protection, peoples are > suffering. Why? // Just like same Father and Mother to 3 Sons, but all Sons behaving differently. //So every thing is not astrological, > but otherwise also. // Cant say conclusively. regards, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar and members, > According to me no planet is benefic or malefic. It > reflects only the effect of the nakshtra on which it > transits at the said moment. More over the position, > Aspect, conjunction and ownership of house/houses, > strength of its dispositor, Navamshesh and the planet > makes the planet whether he is benefic or malefic for > the individual. So discussion on whether Rahu or Mars > or Rahu and Mars is benefic or malefic in not going to > bear any fruit. > More over the terminology of heaven or hell, moksh or > bondage etc. has been discussed and written in our > classical book and Puranas without any conclusion. We > may be at peace of Mind but are poor, die of hunger, > no health facilities, no shelter and clothes etc. Same > planets are influencing Americans, Europeans, Asians, > and India, whole world. But Economic, Political and > social, cultural conditions are different. Western > countries are protecting their people and Eastern > countries are not able to provide any social, > political, and health protection, peoples are > suffering. Why? So every thing is not astrological, > but otherwise also. > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Some type of Sanyasa Yoga too. > > Heavens assured after death. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > //Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where > > L1 > > > would be in H6, Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in > > H12? // > > > > > > In absence of other planetary positions- > > > > > > a) Agressive speech. > > > b) Eating habits not proper. > > > c) Not good relations with relatives. > > > d) Much detachment from house. > > > e) Problem in eyesight. > > > f) Earnings if any,then in properties. > > > g) Lot of outflow of money. > > > h) Loss of happiness from mother ? > > > i) loss of younger co-born ? > > > j) problems with elders - relations. > > > k) Children issues - problems ? > > > l) If no planets in the quadrants then cannot > > > accumplate the desired money. > > > m) Ever left home away from family ? > > > > > > Aspect of Jupiter and Saturn ,and > > > their placements would also change above effects. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " > > <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Of course Rahu dasha is a long trawl and a > > variety of events are > > > > likely to occur. Besides the RY, several other > > factors must be > > > > analysed : I think this is an implicit > > assumption that all members > > > > make when commenting on specific configurations > > to allow for a > > > > focussed discussion. This method of learning is > > through isolation > > > > then intergration into the bigger picture. > > > > > > > > What Mars didn't deliver Rahu may, and the link > > with H7/H11 > > > > indicates gains in business/all public or > > partenrship related areas. > > > > However, do expect some challenges related to > > ill > > > > health/enemies/debts, as mentioned in my > > previous analsyis. > > > > > > > > Btw, have you looked at Cancer ascendent, where > > L1 would be in H6, > > > > Mars/Rahu in 2nd, L2/L3/L11 in H12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > > > > > My Mars Dasha was not very examplificatory, in > > > > > the worldly sense, but relatively compared to > > the > > > > > preceding Dasha of Moon , it was a very good > > one. > > > > > Rahu MD started few months back. has been very > > much > > > > > satisfactoty uptil now, with at least 3 > > business > > > > > oppurtunities coming my way, on its own, I > > also > > > > > got a small recognition in my own family > > > > > circles, when I appeard on CNBC TV, which > > again > > > > > happened on its own, without me spending a > > > > > single rupee on phone call to anyone,or > > > > > advertisement, I have been retained for > > monthly > > > > > contract by a Big Company for monthly > > astrological > > > > > predictions, giving me some source of regular > > income, > > > > > am also in process of being appointed by a > > Company > > > > > dealing in Finance, to create and develop a > > team of > > > > > people under me, to sell their products, of > > course > > > > > I have few options in mind too. All these > > breakthroughs > > > > > have come in Rahu MahaDasha. I keep my fingers > > > > > crossed for good succes ahead, and also > > unpleasant > > > > > moments both. No 24 hours can be completely > > same. > > > > > In similiar fashion, No Mahadasha or > > antardasha can > > > > > always give positive results, or negative > > results > > > > > continously. One has to be practical in > > approach > > > > > of imaginations and expectations from the > > stars. > > > > > What seed one has sowed, only those fruits > > would > > > > > be available to one. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > The comments attributed by members to the > > Mars/Rahu conjunction > > > > were > > > > > > with respect to the nature of the native, > > with the krur aspect > > > > > > implied. I don't think the RY indications > > were disputed at all, > > > > and > > > > > > all are in agreement that YK Mars + Rahu in > > Leo lagna is a big > > > > RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskarji has just passed out of Mars > > dasha, so what were > > > > the > > > > > > effects? Did Mars give RY results, or merely > > condition a more > > > > > > volatile character through external > > pressures (e.g unexpected > > > > > > disputes). Of course this could have > > occured simultaneously > > > > with > > > > > > gains in property/comfort and business > > (functional impact), but > > > > the > > > > > > malefic attribute will be obvious. Parasara > > qualifies Mars as a > > > > > > greater malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may add: > > > > > > > Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined > > planets into two > > > > groups: > > > > > > > a. krur and somya planets (what we call > > natural benefic and > > > > malefic > > > > > > > planets) for example - weak moon / sun / > > mars / shani / rahu / > > > > ketu > > > > > > > etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, > > venus etc (mercury > > > > gives as > > > > > > > per its association). Many classics are > > silent on Ketu as krur > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as > > functional malefic > > > > and > > > > > > > benefic) - and it is based upon respective > > lagna. Sage > > > > Parashar has > > > > > > > not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or > > shubha for any specific > > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > > but has linked that to its placement in > > kona / trikona with > > > > another > > > > > > > yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO - the krur planet primarily means to > > deliver through krur > > > > ways > > > > > > (so > > > > > > > karmic effects have some negative issues) > > - but for worldly > > > > results > > > > > > > (what we always refer in our day to day > > astrology or say > > > > modern > > > > > > use of > > > > > > > astrology) - we look at functional > > " results " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and > > rahu / ketu if > > > > associated > > > > > > with > > > > > > > mars in kendra / trikona will give > > yogakarka results. Any p- > > > > lanet - > > > > > > > when hailed as yoga karka - may still not > > be outright positive > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > spheres - but it has role for the houses / > > associations for > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > lagna (And also the relative placement > > from each bhava ) - so > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > has multiple results. Even somya planet > > like guru / venus can > > > > harm > > > > > > > (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any planet's natural or functional > > status for a lagna is > > > > again > > > > > > > not a conclusive factor - but there are > > overriding / > > > > complimenting > > > > > > > factors - like its avastha, its > > dispositor's strength, its > > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > > > its participation in yoga, its > > ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > > > > with it > > > > > > > through aspects / conj, D charts positions > > and so on.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their > > rasi dispositors - > > > > as > > > > > > those > > > > > > > rasi dispositors work as Karmic > > Controlling Planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu > > and mesha rashi > > > > gives > > > > > > > excellent results (subject to other > > factors); for leo and > > > > karka > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > - mars association with rahu / ketu makes > > rahu and ketu as > > > > yoga > > > > > > karka. > > > > > > > Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign > > is an excellent > > > > placement > > > > > > > for leo native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - > > irrespective of their > > > > > > > functional role; and so are saturn for > > tula native. But their > > > > > > > functional " results " for their house > > occupation and lordship > > > > are > > > > > > > considered shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps - krur and somya are nature of > > planets or one can say > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > of the planet - in terms of " means " of its > > role. Functional > > > > results > > > > > > > are end outcome. In this discusion - we > > were discussing - the > > > > > > > functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way discussions are going on in this > > forum, I am not > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > encouraged to share my views/experiences > > in this forum. I > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > noticing day-by-day the number of people > > maintaining balance > > > > is > > > > > > > > reducing, and people start targetting on > > others on a > > > > personal > > > > > > basis, > > > > > > > > which is not an acceptable quality for > > an astrologer; those > > > > who > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > supposed to guide others, are expected > > to behave balanced; I > > > > > > know we > > > > > > > > are all humans; but still I insist on > > exercising balance, > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > which there is no point in astrology > > discussion; because the > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > blessing will not be there for such > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since I mentioned this point, I > > will give my > > > > > > clarification > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only six lagnas as I mentioned > > in my earlier mail, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > have perfect yoga karaka. First of all > > what is a yoga > > > > karaka? > > > > > > One who > > > > > > > > is the lord of kona and kendra with > > resepct to lagna. THe > > > > same > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya > > lagna also, but I am > > > > not > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to deviate into that direction at this > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani > > is the yoga karaka, > > > > for > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the > > yoga karaka, and for > > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > > > > and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga > > karaka. For other lagnas, > > > > a > > > > > > > > Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner > > of a malefic house > > > > and > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense > > that it loses its > > > > > > partial > > > > > > > > beneficence and aquires partial > > maleficence. For example for > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not > > granted a full > > > > yogakaraka > > > > > > > > status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not > > granted a fully > > > > yoga > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > status; only the lagna lord is the yoga > > karaka in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association > > with yoga karaka, > > > > it is > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated > > with the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > then the particular node will take the > > responsibility of > > > > > > delivering > > > > > > > > the yoga karaka results in its > > dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > > the > > > > > > > > maleficence of the node is greatly > > reduced; only those who > > > > test > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > principle on several charts can > > confidently say this; sole > > > > > > dependence > > > > > > > > on books/theory does not give confidence > > to say so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rahu and kethu have > > maleficence that they shower; > > > > but > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > maleficence is changed to beneficence to > > a large extent when > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > associated with yoga karaka planet. I > > have practically seen > > > > > > > > horoscopes and the respective > > individuals, in both cases, > > > > where > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nodes give malefic results or extreme > > benefic results. I > > > > would > > > > > > > > honestly and earnestly request members > > not to jump to > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > > based on the fact that they are nodes. > > When they become > > > > benefic, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > shower extreme benefic results. Not > > having a proper > > > > > > understanding on > > > > > > > > the nodes will lead us to make terrrible > > mistakes in > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis > > in any horoscope > > > > plays > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > very important role and conveys several > > hidden messages to > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers. I would therefore add, that > > every astrologer > > > > should > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > proper attention to this Rahu Kethu > > axis; and all of us do > > > > have > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > axis covering some area of our life; no > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > 108ar <bona_mente@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very intrigued by your post, > > would you please > > > > direct me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the article you are refferring to? For > > ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > > Ta > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and > > Saturn become > > > > > > > > positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've > > learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > > Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars > > trine Rahu as well, > > > > for > > > > > > Cn > > > > > > > > Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a > > rajayoga. There > > > > > > > > > is no doubt about it. But rahu is a > > malefic. The term > > > > > > > > > malefic is in its truest sense a > > planets that affect > > > > > > > > > health and longevity. So rahu in > > kendra with kona lord > > > > > > > > > is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not > > mean it would be > > > > > > > > > great in all areas of life. Thas the > > subtle > > > > > > > > > difference. Rahu and mangal in a house > > will harm the > > > > > > > > > living indications of that house. So > > lets say malefics > > > > > > > > > and rajayoga planets are in 4th house > > it may give the > > > > > > > > > native good properties but will affect > > the mother in > > > > > > > > > adverse way. Thats the point I am > > making here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not making fun of anyone's > > horoscope, in fact I > > > > > > > > > have no interest whatsoever in the > > said natives > > > > > > > > > horoscope. He is chiding everyone and > > sundry time and > > > > > > > > > again and such childish and immature > > behavior has been > > > > > > > > > going on for long and its best nipped > > in the bud. > > > > > > > > > Besides arguments( Not debates) and > > agitation what has > > > > > > > > > this individual done on the list. Go > > back into > > > > > > > > > archives and check. Its just a > > nuisance. No one is > > > > > > > > > asking him to waste his time and he > > should refrain > > > > > > > > > from wasting others time as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you read Sri KN > > Rao's articles about > > > > > > > > > > when Rahu > > > > > > > > > > becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu > > associate with > > > > > > > > > > the Yoga Karaka > > > > > > > > > > for a lagna, and that is also in a > > Kendra or Kona, > > > > > > > > > > then it becomes > > > > > > > > > > full benefic and bestows benefic > > results. I would > > > > > > > > > > request you please > > > > > > > > > > not make fun of others' horoscopes, > > as a wise > > > > > > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making here an unnecessary > > attempt. Please > > > > > > > > > > consider my wise > > > > > > > > > > advise and leave these arguments. > > Please do not > > > > > > > > > > waste your energy to > > > > > > > > > > teach them astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards to both of you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of > > choices in > > > > alternative > > > > > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green > > Center. > > > > > > > > > http://autos./green_center/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for > > what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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