Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time by Shri KN Rao On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given and on Page 46, His note as under- Vimshamsha- The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha are superb.There is ane exchange between the 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, the salvation giver. But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma of a guru. Any comments from the members ? regards, bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Sri Bhaskar, Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao uses amsa charts explicitly and with full confidence. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > by Shri KN Rao > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > Vimshamsha- > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > the salvation giver. > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > of a guru. > > > Any comments from the members ? > > regards, > bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Bhakserji Some comments on your chart to supplement those made at various points. *Only malefics in kendras, D-1 and D-9 *no reason for Rahu dasha to deliver anythign beyond that of Mars dasha (so a static effect)as the dasha lagna remains the same in D- 1,D-9 and D-10. However Rahu may shift a focus on H6, were Saturn sits with Jupiter in deep debilitation. * Rahu with YK Mars in H1 is Rajyoga. This is the only RY in Rasi, indicating a rise by great self-efforts only - key here is potential. *Dasha lord in D-9(Venus) is in 8th, indicating transformation but also obstacles *Mercury, in my humble opinion is strong - strong Nipuna Yoga in both D1 and D9. Only blemish is aspect from Moon (L12), indicating losses due to speculation/children. But aspect thrown from H5 on Mercury has its positives. *Strong indicaitons of closeness with elder sibling linked to income but possibly strained. * Spouse maybe either highly spiritual or arguementative, the former more likely *11th is 4th from 8th, hence a strong Nipuna yoga here gives ability in Jyotish * Were there some issues with proporty/Mother, possible on the lines of leaving home or illness to her in past year (from 2007?) , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > by Shri KN Rao > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > Vimshamsha- > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > the salvation giver. > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > of a guru. > > > Any comments from the members ? > > regards, > bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hello, Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. They also had major differences as well. Its time we stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. the reason I say this is I personally know someone who studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao can answer this question, NOT his books. This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton was asked about how he came up with his theory of gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in jyotish. Satish --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > uses amsa > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > Best regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > Vimshamsha- > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > the salvation giver. > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > of a guru. > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean to say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we should not believe them? Regards, Krishna --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hello, > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > jyotish. > > Satish > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > uses amsa > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > the salvation giver. > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > ______________________________\ ____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, I think - for the sake of this argument, the whole debate is degraded. Now Shri KN Rao / BV Raman etc are also being lowered down - to win a argument. But my small mind did not understand - if Newton was also a joke; or Shri KN rao is a joke like Newton. regards / Prafulla , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean to > say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we > should not believe them? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > > jyotish. > > > > Satish > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > > uses amsa > > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > > the salvation giver. > > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > The fish are biting. > > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear All, Debate whatever you like or feel. Debate whatever you feel like to be correct. But dont ever debate what is true and undebatable. regards, Manoj Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: Dear Krishna ji, I think - for the sake of this argument, the whole debate is degraded. Now Shri KN Rao / BV Raman etc are also being lowered down - to win a argument. But my small mind did not understand - if Newton was also a joke; or Shri KN rao is a joke like Newton. regards / Prafulla , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean to > say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we > should not believe them? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > > jyotish. > > > > Satish > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > > uses amsa > > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > > the salvation giver. > > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > The fish are biting. > > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > > > > ________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Satish, I just read your post. The following comments that you have made " I say this is I personally know someone who studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao can answer this question, NOT his books. " is totally false and misleading and has been passed on surely by someone who is not a student of Shri K.N. Rao. On the contrary, Shri K.N. Rao goes on to say that " to do astrology without the navamsha (read varga charts too) is like astrological poverty. " My request is that kindly consult your " so called student of Shri K.N. Rao once again " . best regards, Manoj SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Hello, Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. They also had major differences as well. Its time we stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. the reason I say this is I personally know someone who studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao can answer this question, NOT his books. This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton was asked about how he came up with his theory of gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in jyotish. Satish --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > uses amsa > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > Best regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > Vimshamsha- > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > the salvation giver. > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > of a guru. > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > ________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji, I really congratulate you and Pradeep for keeping your heads level in spite of a prolonged debate and for displaying a very mature attitude. Yes, through discussions we can learn things from one another and take a corrective step to our approach and move forward in the right direction. This is true as long as the spirit of debate is maintained by other parties concerned. Both of you have exhibited remarkable maturity and patience so far. Another aspect of a good debate is that it moves towards a conclusion sooner or later. On this count, I am disappointed with the current debate so far. Looks like the debate has not moved an inch forward towards a possible conclusion even after so many arguments put forward by both parties concerned. It may be a good idea to call the debate unresolved for now and forus on something more useful to the rest of group. Hope my suggestion would be taken in the right spirit. Regards, Krishna --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > > I think - for the sake of this argument, the whole debate is > degraded. > Now Shri KN Rao / BV Raman etc are also being lowered down - > to win > a argument. > > But my small mind did not understand - if Newton was also a > joke; or > Shri KN rao is a joke like Newton. > > regards / Prafulla > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean > to > > say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we > > should not believe them? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > > > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > > > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > > > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > > > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > > > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > > > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > > > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > > > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > > > > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > > > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > > > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > > > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > > > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > > > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > > > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > > > jyotish. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > > > uses amsa > > > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > > > the salvation giver. > > > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > The fish are biting. > > > Get more visitors on your site using Search > Marketing. > > > > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join > 's > user panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Shri Krishna ji Of course - almost all members have been very understanding. Yes - as I stated, it has reached to a maturity stage, where there can not be any arguments - except case studies and predictive application as comprehensive approach (not as partial approach). Moreover - the case study will help us in working with D charts - if they exist !! regards / Prafulla , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > I really congratulate you and Pradeep for keeping your heads > level in spite of a prolonged debate and for displaying a very > mature attitude. > > Yes, through discussions we can learn things from one another > and take a corrective step to our approach and move forward in > the right direction. This is true as long as the spirit of > debate is maintained by other parties concerned. Both of you > have exhibited remarkable maturity and patience so far. Another > aspect of a good debate is that it moves towards a conclusion > sooner or later. On this count, I am disappointed with the > current debate so far. Looks like the debate has not moved an > inch forward towards a possible conclusion even after so many > arguments put forward by both parties concerned. > > It may be a good idea to call the debate unresolved for now and > forus on something more useful to the rest of group. > > Hope my suggestion would be taken in the right spirit. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I think - for the sake of this argument, the whole debate is > > degraded. > > Now Shri KN Rao / BV Raman etc are also being lowered down - > > to win > > a argument. > > > > But my small mind did not understand - if Newton was also a > > joke; or > > Shri KN rao is a joke like Newton. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean > > to > > > say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we > > > should not believe them? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > > > > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > > > > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > > > > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > > > > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > > > > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > > > > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > > > > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > > > > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > > > > > > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > > > > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > > > > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > > > > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > > > > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > > > > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > > > > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > > > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > > > > uses amsa > > > > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > > > > the salvation giver. > > > > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > > The fish are biting. > > > > Get more visitors on your site using Search > > Marketing. > > > > > > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join > > 's > > user panel and lay it on us. > > http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Krishnaji, Something good can be learnt even froma 3 hour Hindi movie. Same from here- Certain members who have been opposed to certain concepts have gradually begin to accept the same, as the thread has progressed. a) Acceptance of a Chart known as Navamsha Chart. b) Acceptance with pramana given that all authors when preparing their analysis,explain same with the rasi Chart and navamsha Chart in their Books,which displays the importance of same. 3) Acceptance of the Surya and and Chandra lagna too as important for delineation. 4) Acceptance with pramana given that all great Modern day astrologers like KN rao,BV Raman, and Santhanam do use aspects in Divisional Charts. 5)The great ones use Karakamsha from the Navamsha-pramana given. 6) The strength of planets in rasi Chart to be checked and confirmed from the navamsha, before finalising the same. and many such other tathyas (Facts) which more of the opposers have started accepting, as the thread progressed. But the sad part of this thread was, that the great astrologers have been doubted on their realisations and their projections of the principles applied, and it has been expressed that they may not have the ability to understand the ancient Texts (Shastras) and the shlokas (Dictums). This has also become a war of Egoes for few concerned, to prove themselves at any cost, without much pramana by their side. Their inability to respect others views and prove them as wrong, at any cost ,without any substance in their proof, has contributed to the elongation of this thread unnecssarily, bordering at times on irritation, to those replying who may not have such a mature wisness shown by the above members cited in your mail, and which irritation may have reflected in their mails though not meant to be so, from heart. hope they resolve to stop the thread either by pramana, or by acceptance or by respecting the others views too as right and working for the other party. regards, Bhaskar. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > I really congratulate you and Pradeep for keeping your heads > level in spite of a prolonged debate and for displaying a very > mature attitude. > > Yes, through discussions we can learn things from one another > and take a corrective step to our approach and move forward in > the right direction. This is true as long as the spirit of > debate is maintained by other parties concerned. Both of you > have exhibited remarkable maturity and patience so far. Another > aspect of a good debate is that it moves towards a conclusion > sooner or later. On this count, I am disappointed with the > current debate so far. Looks like the debate has not moved an > inch forward towards a possible conclusion even after so many > arguments put forward by both parties concerned. > > It may be a good idea to call the debate unresolved for now and > forus on something more useful to the rest of group. > > Hope my suggestion would be taken in the right spirit. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I think - for the sake of this argument, the whole debate is > > degraded. > > Now Shri KN Rao / BV Raman etc are also being lowered down - > > to win > > a argument. > > > > But my small mind did not understand - if Newton was also a > > joke; or > > Shri KN rao is a joke like Newton. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry I don't understand your logic here. Do you mean > > to > > > say that Rao ji intended his books to be jokes and hence we > > > should not believe them? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Yes KN Rao has used it in books and so has BV Raman. > > > > They also had major differences as well. Its time we > > > > stop making the modern jyotishis into sages.I have > > > > respect for all these stalwarts, but that does not > > > > mean we should blindly follow whats written in books. > > > > the reason I say this is I personally know someone who > > > > studied under KNRao and he says Raoji comes to > > > > conclusions based on rashi chart mostly. Only KNRao > > > > can answer this question, NOT his books. > > > > > > > > This is just like myth of Newton's apple. When Newton > > > > was asked about how he came up with his theory of > > > > gravitation, he joking said I came up with the idea by > > > > seeing a falling apple. it was a joke and thats the > > > > story that stuck and now everyone beleives that Newton > > > > got the idea by fluke and watching the falling apple. > > > > Thats a myth and we are creating quite a few in > > > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Your observation reiterates the fact that Sri KN Rao > > > > > uses amsa > > > > > charts explicitly and with full confidence. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > > > > the salvation giver. > > > > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > > The fish are biting. > > > > Get more visitors on your site using Search > > Marketing. > > > > > > http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Atma Gnaniji, Sorry for the late reply. Wanted to write to you with an unoccupied mind, as a special case. You have done a good analysis . My comments as under- //Only malefics in kendras, D-1 and D-9 > *no reason for Rahu dasha to deliver anythign beyond that of Mars > dasha (so a static effect)as the dasha lagna remains the same in D- > 1,D-9 and D-10. However Rahu may shift a focus on H6, were Saturn > sits with Jupiter in deep debilitation. // Yes traditionally very right,and Jupiter is also Retro alongwith debilitation. What do you think of the 6th and 8th Lord joining together in the 6th ? Does it create some Vipareeta Rajyoga ? And do you think Jupiter in Saturns House with Saturn in conjunction in same house, would decrease the debilitation, if not cancel the same ? Or is the Neechbhanga takes place only in Kendras or trines ? I read about 10-15 years back in deva keralam that this combination, would create effects of exaltation for Jupiter, but since do not have refrence cannot quote exactly.What do you think ? (In KP Forums, I have not met a single person who has been able to read the effects of Rahu for me. but I have got the clue, from a very basic KP Book, will talk some other day). // * Rahu with YK Mars in H1 is Rajyoga. This is the only RY in Rasi, indicating a rise by great self-efforts only - key here is potential. // What is the key ? // Loss due to speculation/children. But aspect thrown from H5 on Mercury has its positives. // I have had loss due to speculation in my Moon MD. Now no more money in pocket to spculate. Loss from children, Yes if you mean LoveLost. Love in todays world is in ration to the money spent on someone. If this part is less, then the other part too becomes less. // *Strong indicaitons of closeness with elder sibling linked to income but possibly strained. // Elder sibling is sister, but no income connections with her, I mean no finance involvements with her, she is living too in other city. Only contact is thriough phone, for normal family talks. // Spouse maybe either highly spiritual or arguementative, the former more likely // Both sides very high. // Were there some issues with proporty/Mother, possible on the lines of leaving home or illness to her in past year (from 2007?) // No issues, nothing witnessed as above, // 11th is 4th from 8th, hence a strong Nipuna yoga here gives ability > in Jyotish // Not trying to sound humble. But I actually do not know much of astrology. Whenever some one comes to meet me for Consultations , I just fold my hands and tell Lord Krishna " meri ijjat rakhna " and when he leaves, i thank God again. Dear Atmagnaniji, I somehow feel ashamed that though I have used some not so good language in the recent past, yet you have been good enough to venture to read for me,on your own. I must thank you for the same, and will also be careful in future, not to misjudge anyone immediately on a single post. Also if i am troubling you, then please do not bother to answer the above queries, and you may take your own time, whenever you are free. And answer only those which you feel comfortable. regards, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhakserji > > Some comments on your chart to supplement those made at various > points. > > *Only malefics in kendras, D-1 and D-9 > *no reason for Rahu dasha to deliver anythign beyond that of Mars > dasha (so a static effect)as the dasha lagna remains the same in D- > 1,D-9 and D-10. However Rahu may shift a focus on H6, were Saturn > sits with Jupiter in deep debilitation. > * Rahu with YK Mars in H1 is Rajyoga. This is the only RY in Rasi, > indicating a rise by great self-efforts only - key here is potential. > *Dasha lord in D-9(Venus) is in 8th, indicating transformation but > also obstacles > *Mercury, in my humble opinion is strong - strong Nipuna Yoga in both > D1 and D9. Only blemish is aspect from Moon (L12), indicating losses > due to speculation/children. But aspect thrown from H5 on Mercury has > its positives. > *Strong indicaitons of closeness with elder sibling linked to income > but possibly strained. > * Spouse maybe either highly spiritual or arguementative, the former > more likely > *11th is 4th from 8th, hence a strong Nipuna yoga here gives ability > in Jyotish > * Were there some issues with proporty/Mother, possible on the lines > of leaving home or illness to her in past year (from 2007?) > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > Vimshamsha- > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > the salvation giver. > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > of a guru. > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Bhaksarji Thank you for your kind words, but I have never maintained any ill- feeling towards you as I strive to remain true to my objective of progressing my knowledge in Jyotish through this medium. One valuable hint I have picked up from your contributions is to account for the obstruction causing houses (e.g. 5th/9th from 10th for career) in an analysis and this has been a useful techniques that I have found adds weight to the composite approach. Similarly, I have picked up hints here and there from other members so I am thankful for that. To apply these to charts is the eventual/ongoing motivation; after all unapplied theory depreciates with time. As you know a good analysis more often than not demands patience thus I do not want to add too much as I have strong professional commitments. But I will add further comments when time permits. Some brief responses to your questions: *VRY does exists, hence my interpretation that the RY promised by Rahu/Mars would only manifest after great effort and struggle. VRY gives either a very rocky road to success or a very large fall. In your case it seems the former applies * 6/8 combination would have been stronger in a parivartana. Here L8 takes debilitation and transfers much of its power to L6 Saturn, which is already very strong. This should protect against ill health/enemies, but at the same time indicates the presence of both. Note L12 Moon in 12th from 6th as another supporting to the above, possibly mental strength and mediation as remedies to any potential challenges in this respect. *NBY applies in only one respect, i.e. disp of Jup in own sign. The conjunction doesn't take place in a kendra from Moon or lagna, in fact is in 6th from lagna/8th from lagna lord Sun. Note that while Saturn is in Nak of L1 Sun who resides in house of gains with L2/L11 Merc, Jupiter is in Nak of L12 Moon, who it rules over but without much strength. Thus pattern of Saturn/H6 significations (hard work, humbleness, selfless service, helping those with problems etc) carving out path to rise (again Rahu vad shani emphasise this, as does Saturn placement in strength in 9th from 10th). * I seem to have overlooked presence of Sun in 11th with dhankarak Mercury, and jumped to gains linked to elder sibling. Sun debilitated din D3 did promote confidence but, Sun also indicates father, more so in D-3 as L9. Thus interpretation of business/financial gains linked to father but somewhat strained may apply. * 11th house has been noted for its significance in Jyotish ability (esp with link to Sun), as has 7th : probably for intuitive abilities (11th - as 4th from 8th, 12th from 12th)and able to get a predictive sense of others (7th). 8th comes more into play in terms of research/uncovering new methods. I stress once more that more Mercury does not seem afflicted, more so seeing as it is in Nak of L10 Venus who is in turn placed in 9th and vargottam. My knowledge is still in the learning phase thus I do not add any affirmation to my interpretations. However I enjoyed applying a few techniques to your chart, so thank you for the opportunity. Discussion of charts is the best way to learn, help others learn and make efficient use of the bandwidth. Best wishes , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Atma Gnaniji, > > Sorry for the late reply. Wanted to write to you with an > unoccupied mind, as a special case. > You have done a good analysis . > > My comments as under- > > //Only malefics in kendras, D-1 and D-9 > > *no reason for Rahu dasha to deliver anythign beyond that of Mars > > dasha (so a static effect)as the dasha lagna remains the same in D- > > 1,D-9 and D-10. However Rahu may shift a focus on H6, were Saturn > > sits with Jupiter in deep debilitation. // > > Yes traditionally very right,and Jupiter > is also Retro alongwith debilitation. > What do you think of the 6th and 8th Lord joining > together in the 6th ? Does it create some Vipareeta > Rajyoga ? > > And do you think Jupiter in Saturns House with Saturn > in conjunction in same house, would decrease the > debilitation, if not cancel the same ? Or is the > Neechbhanga takes place only in Kendras or trines ? > > I read about 10-15 years back in deva keralam > that this combination, would create effects > of exaltation for Jupiter, but since do not have > refrence cannot quote exactly.What do you think ? > > (In KP Forums, I have not met a single person who > has been able to read the effects of Rahu for me. > but I have got the clue, from a very basic KP Book, > will talk some other day). > > > // * Rahu with YK Mars in H1 is Rajyoga. This is the only RY in Rasi, > indicating a rise by great self-efforts only - key here is > potential. // > > What is the key ? > > // Loss due to speculation/children. But aspect thrown from > H5 on Mercury has its positives. // > > I have had loss due to speculation in my Moon MD. Now no more > money in pocket to spculate. Loss from children, Yes if you mean > LoveLost. Love in todays world is in ration to the money spent on > someone. If this part is less, then the other part too becomes less. > > // *Strong indicaitons of closeness with elder sibling linked to income > but possibly strained. // > > Elder sibling is sister, but no income connections with her, > I mean no finance involvements with her, she is living > too in other city. Only contact is thriough phone, for > normal family talks. > > // Spouse maybe either highly spiritual or arguementative, the former > more likely // > > Both sides very high. > > // Were there some issues with proporty/Mother, possible on the lines > of leaving home or illness to her in past year (from 2007?) // > > No issues, nothing witnessed as above, > > // 11th is 4th from 8th, hence a strong Nipuna yoga here gives ability > > in Jyotish // > > Not trying to sound humble. But I actually do not know > much of astrology. Whenever some one comes to meet me for > Consultations , I just fold my hands and tell Lord Krishna > " meri ijjat rakhna " and when he leaves, i thank God again. > > Dear Atmagnaniji, I somehow feel ashamed that though I have > used some not so good language in the recent past, yet you have > been good enough to venture to read for me,on your own. > I must thank you for the same, and will also be careful in future, > not to misjudge anyone immediately on a single post. > > Also if i am troubling you, then please > do not bother to answer the above queries, and you may > take your own time, whenever you are free. And > answer only those which you feel comfortable. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Bhakserji > > > > Some comments on your chart to supplement those made at various > > points. > > > > *Only malefics in kendras, D-1 and D-9 > > *no reason for Rahu dasha to deliver anythign beyond that of Mars > > dasha (so a static effect)as the dasha lagna remains the same in D- > > 1,D-9 and D-10. However Rahu may shift a focus on H6, were Saturn > > sits with Jupiter in deep debilitation. > > * Rahu with YK Mars in H1 is Rajyoga. This is the only RY in Rasi, > > indicating a rise by great self-efforts only - key here is potential. > > *Dasha lord in D-9(Venus) is in 8th, indicating transformation but > > also obstacles > > *Mercury, in my humble opinion is strong - strong Nipuna Yoga in both > > D1 and D9. Only blemish is aspect from Moon (L12), indicating losses > > due to speculation/children. But aspect thrown from H5 on Mercury has > > its positives. > > *Strong indicaitons of closeness with elder sibling linked to income > > but possibly strained. > > * Spouse maybe either highly spiritual or arguementative, the former > > more likely > > *11th is 4th from 8th, hence a strong Nipuna yoga here gives ability > > in Jyotish > > * Were there some issues with proporty/Mother, possible on the lines > > of leaving home or illness to her in past year (from 2007?) > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Yogis destiny and the Wheel of time > > > by Shri KN Rao > > > > > > On Page 44, the Vimsamsa chart is given > > > and on Page 46, His note as under- > > > > > > Vimshamsha- > > > The 5th House and the 5th lord in Vimshamsha > > > are superb.There is ane exchange between the > > > 5th and 9th lords and the 5th house has ketu > > > as well ,with mercury,who is also the 12th Lord, > > > the salvation giver. > > > But see the 10th lord,Moon in Vimshamsha > > > aspected by mars and Saturn giving the karma > > > of a guru. > > > > > > > > > Any comments from the members ? > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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