Partial /Aspects

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Prafulla Bhai,

 

Thanks for the mail and ur kind words. UR reply is well written and

shows ur experience and level headedness in approaching jyotish. I for

one has faltered over the years due to Internet Forums and tried to

idolise many of such forums

Would make this short since many sub threads have sprung up

 

On another thread - there was technical opinion on partial aspects

with reference to kalyan Varam's shloka of aspects (which are possible

only in D charts). I doubt, if so many stalwarts ever applied the

partial aspects in their predictions. Well - I will cover that in a

new thread.

 

SJ: I have read those shlokas again but from e book as I do not get time

to refer to translation work so I can be wrong

 

Some queries I must ask u on Partial Aspects that is the 2nd aspect

 

1) Has Parashara mentioned this (2nd aspect) in his BPHS

2) How many astrologers till date use the 3rd-10th, 4th-8th & 5th -9th

Partial Aspects that has been given by BPHS

3) Is there even difference between the 5th & 7th or5th and 9th aspect

of Jupiter, do astrologers talk about this.

 

best wishes

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

> You have posted brilliant and thought provoking posts. I will reply

> your all other mails during the course of the day.

>

> Please read my reply underneath your notes:

>

>

> > Theory Experts Vs Predictors 1

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Prafulla Bhai,

> > Permit me to change the Subject of this thread & would reply ur mail

> > that way. Will post few sub heads on it. This is in context to what

u

> > wrote & thanks for ur mature comments.

> >

>

> >

> >

> > 1. 1) In the history of astrology there has been New

Theories

> > that of KP, Iyers methods (which deviated from the normal astrology

that

> > we knew then & is not considered in vedic astrology that we kinda of

> > practice as yogis, avayogis were not given by Parasara etc), KAS,

> > Systems Approach, KNRs expansion of vedic astrology principles.

> > 2. 2) The most common part of all of the above is each of

them

> > presented case studies & then subsequently demonstrated their

predictive

> > ability in it over the years.

>

>

> [Prafulla] Yes.. perhaps that is the only way to go forward. Instead

> of proving others, they proved their interpretation model. Did you

> notice one more thing - many of these authors, did not engage their

> students into " shloka " business - to prove their application. They

> simplified their interpretation model in scientific manner and dared

> to present. I am sure - each one of them, must have taken years to

> test it on thousands of chart; and then only - they presented it.

>

> Typically, they did not expect people to accept them from their

> theories; nor did they convince a single follower as to their

> correctness. Their application stood tall in all tests.

>

> > 3. 3) KP used to stand on Stage and challenge anyone to ask

him

> > question in a crowd of hundreds and predict instantly is what I am

told

> > by many.

>

> [Prafulla] Yes - I had opportunity to interact and learn KP theories

> from few astrologers, who learn directly from KP. As I am told - He

> demonstrated the application wonderfully.

>

>

> > 4. 4) What I am trying to say is that when anyone is coming

> with

> > something new to what is not normally followed then he/she should

have

> > the guts to present `Clear Cut' `Unbiased'

> > `Non-Match Fixing Astrology' Case Studies & then Demonstrate it

> > with Application of those case studies by blind charts.

>

> [Prafulla] Well, in recent years - fixing jyotish has become rules of

> the game. I agree to an extent, that - at some stage - the theory will

> have to be tested on past events. But caution is normally exercised -

> not to mix other theories then. and when this stage is successfully

> done - the theories are used for observing predictions (not even

> predicting events) - as astrologer should not be playing with the

> lives of natives (I will touch this point in elaboration - on your

> other mail of karma of prediction). That is why, these theories took

> decades / years to come out - of course after passing the test of

> observing predictions.

>

> Let me add here that, while these theories were presented (after both

> the tests - events matching; and observing predictions) - they were

> reasonably consistent for readers to go ahead with it.

>

> Understandably - KP / SA / KAS etc did pass through these tests and

> available for jyotish students to work with it.

>

>

> > 5. 5) If this is not done so then all is just Theory Talk

which

> > even I have been guilty of doing.

> > 6. 6) Over the years I have presented many extensions of

> > previous known techniques & thought it was the work of Genius, it

was my

> > mentors who instructed me at times rudely to demonstrate it on blind

> > charts to them. At first for months I felt it was rude & not correct

on

> > me but later I realized the value of it as it saved me the Sin of

not

> > making wrong predictions and spoiling others lives

>

> [Prafulla] Few are fortunate to be corrected at early stage of jyotish

> pursuance. and I am happy to know that - you were corrected well in

> time. If theories are allowed to fly without adequate tests, even the

> garbage bag will also overflow.

>

> very often - it is tempting to start applying or even offering to the

> media (either through books / white papers / web / community forums

> etc) in raw mode; but it is not the correct approach. Just because I

> am convinced of something, I should be seen preaching on it. It is

> only possible - when " I " is considered avatar of god or rebirth of

> sages. Even posting conclusive opinion can be dangerous, as I may be

> misleading audience with my half knowledge.

>

> On another thread - there was technical opinion on partial aspects

> with reference to kalyan Varam's shloka of aspects (which are possible

> only in D charts). I doubt, if so many stalwarts ever applied the

> partial aspects in their predictions. Well - I will cover that in a

> new thread.

>

> Predictions often carry a greater risk, as natives may end up

> executing it (or at least attempting it). and More so - if the dictums

> are untested in totality.

>

>

> regards / Prafulla

>