Fw: Fwd: Divisionals -PVR - Feb 11, 2005

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Prafulla,

1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR which I remembered he had

discussed. Sorry been busy. Thought would post it to u. Pls see his reply below.

This was posted by him on the same group when there was big debate on this group

on his approach on divisionals.

 

 

 

Regards,

Sunil John

 

 

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jjnet2000_in

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11, 2005

 

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

 

Namaste friends,

 

The mere mention of divisional charts seems to aggravate some people.

Due to the overall opposition on this group to divisional charts as well

as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to answer every point

made by every person. I will only address some important points.

 

* * *

 

> Magic called rectification.

>

> Natal lagna in

> Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25 minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in 3

> minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

 

Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a factor of 4. Lagna in D-24

changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10 (dasamsa) changes sign

in 12 minutes on average.

 

If you are expected to be absolutely sure which 12-minute slot one was

born in, before making predictions on career, is it too much to ask?

 

In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and navamsa charts and

significantly different careers. The distinguishing factor is D-10

lagna.

 

* * *

 

> But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri K.N.Raojis natal chart.Do

> we really have to go hunting for yogas by arranging vargamshas.

 

Well, you are missing an important point. The issue is not just the

presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him so *active* in the

field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I showed how it becomes

clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody with Libra lagna and

Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so much karma (activity)

related to knowledge and become well-known in the world in Mercury dasa?

What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and active involvement in

disseminating knowledge?

 

What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for yogas " , but pin-pointing

the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is 5th lord in D-10

giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In D-24, Mercury joins 10th

lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being so active makes

perfect sense.

 

* * *

 

> Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical zodiacal method, some of the

> rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have them,and some others will

> attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know which varga

> calculation is right!!!

 

You are creating unnecessary confusion. All popular versions of BPHS

agree on the computation of divisional charts. Just because somebody

uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly don't know what is

right.

 

If you take that approach, nothing is certain - even rasi chart. After

all, there are people who advocate the use of tropical (sayana) zodiac

in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal (nirayana) zodiac was never

used by Vedic seers. Just because such people exist, you cannot say that

we don't even know which rasi chart is correct - tropical or sidereal.

 

There will always be controversies and differences of opinion. But, the

fact is that there is a consensus overall on the casting of most

divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot be the excuse for

rejecting divisional charts.

 

> I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give good based on rashi

> lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters, even if you do not

> consider houses.As my understanding is limited ,ones with better

> knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions) may differ.

 

Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao (ironically, to question my

views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in dasamsa. He had a

comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as per Vimsottari dasa and

Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you don't look at

houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff like a planet being

in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign, friendly sign etc,

Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain the success?

 

If you find houses and see yogas, you will realize that Jupiter gives

Jaya yoga (victory combination). I wrote about this in another mail.

 

* * *

 

> The difference is that you consider " Navamsa " **just a divisional**

> while those mentioned in the first group consider it equivalent to

> Rasi. Varahamihira and others also have mentioned about Divs but not

> in the way BPHS.

 

Well, thanks for reading my mind. ;-)

 

I don't even understand this concept of " just a divisional " . To me,

there is no difference between rasi, navamsa, dasamsa etc. To me, even

rasi chart is " just a divisional " .

 

* * *

 

> You are saying every divisional has a lagna.For me Lagna has got

> divisionals do you disagree?Pls tell what is the lagnas you see in a

> divisional.Whenever i ask this fundamental question,you are not

> replying.I assume you are either taking an evasive action or you are

> not understanding what is a varga.Knowing your knowledge it is

> difficult to opt for the second.

 

I can reply or take " evasive action " if I atleast understand what you

are asking. I never understood your questions in this matter. All I can

understand is that you somehow don't want to recognize divisional charts

as charts (except, perhaps, navamsa).

 

> Pls explain what you understand by lagna in navamsha,dasamsha etc.

> As per sage parashara, and as per the humble understanding of

> pradeep it is the position of natal lagna itself.We have only a

 

Yes, lagna is the same point that rises in the east. But that point is

mapped into various signs in various divisions. For example, lagna may

be at 52 deg from the start of the zodiac. Lagna is placed in Ta in rasi

chart, in Cn in navamsa chart, in Le in dasamsa chart and so on. But it

is the same lagna (same physical point) that is placed in all these

signs in various charts. Various divisional mappings are like prisms

thru which a point appears in various positions.

 

Out of all these mappings, you probably relate to the rasi mapping,

because it is very simple and corresponds to the physical zodiac nicely.

But other mappings too exist and were taught by Parasara. If you cannot

accept them, it is simply your mental block. You haven't presented any

reasons against casting a divisional " chart " and finding houses in it.

 

> Kendras are 90 degree multiples from the position of your natal

> lagna sign.This is what i have understood from the astronomy and

> astrology.

>

> Pls tell me if lagna in vargas are some different lagnas?

 

Kendras are 90 degree multiples. When you look at two points that are 30

degrees apart in the physical plane (rasi) thru the prism of navamsa,

they may appear to be 90 degrees apart in navamsa. That's what counts

when you are finding kendras in navamsa. Then those two points are in

mutual kendras in navamsa.

 

> I hope atleast for this question you will not take evasive action.

 

I tried to explain my position as patiently as I could! I never meant to

evade. I simply never understood what your confusion was.

 

> Now do you mean that i cannot quote what shri Sanjay rath has

> told.Do you mean i have some ban.Do i necesarily have to be his

> spokesman.

 

Well, you said Sanjay ji will be " shocked " with my views. That is not a

" quote " , but a judgment of yours. You have every right to quote, but not

to misrepresent.

 

The fact of the matter is that the difference between Sanjay ji and me

is very minor and your views on divisional charts, houses in them and

yogas in them are drastically different from Sanjay ji's. Sanjay ji does

uses lagna, houses and yogas in divisional charts. It is awkward that

you would bring up his name to counter my views, when your own views are

diagonally opposite to Sanjay ji's!

 

* * *

 

> > Please do not misunderstand, I am for research into

> > all these techniques. But show me a technique used

> > consistently and working. May charts discussed with

> > these techniques, I have noticed that the same

> > technique is not used over and over, every chart there

> > is new parameter introduced.

 

I can say the same thing about those who use only rasi and navamsa chart

too!

 

Atleast one thing I consistently do is to look into a specific chart

based on the matter. To see mother, I consistently look at 4th in D-12.

To see luxuries, I consistently look at 4th in D-16. To see education, I

consistently look at 4th in D-24. And so on. I don't look at 4th in rasi

chart and give a reading about mother in one chart, about luxuries in

another, about house in another, about heart in another, about education

in yet another.

 

I do try to teach a consistent use of each chart, house, parameter and

factor. If you are genuinely open and interested in understanding my

approach, please download the free mp3 lessons from the site below. A

lot of people have downloaded them and benefited from them.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

-------------------------------

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil John,

 

 

Yes - I followed the debate, and PVR and Sanjay ji both were

explicitly clear on use of D charts and interpretation thereof.

 

I quoted recently on another thread - the views of Late Santhanam

taken from his case studies / personal discussions. He also has the

same view.

 

Shri KN Rao - also have used D charts readings quite consistently.

 

Shri CS Patel has used D charts in his books.

 

Shri VK choudhry uses D charts in his interpretation model.

 

 

On another thread, there was selective reference of Shri Sanjay's

view. The selective reference to any of the author may not be prudent,

when we have seen them using it - without doubt.

 

I am personally clear on the D charts and its application (as I have

learned from above author's books) and since I do not know sanskrit, i

do not get into translation part of it.

 

My views are absolute conformity with PVR's views. Without D charts -

how will we analyze twin's chart?

 

regards / Prafulla

, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Prafulla,

> 1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR which I

remembered he had discussed. Sorry been busy. Thought would post it to

u. Pls see his reply below. This was posted by him on the same group

when there was big debate on this group on his approach on divisionals.

>

>

>

> Regards,

> Sunil John

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> jjnet2000_in <jjnet2000_in

> jjnet2000_in

> Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

> Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11, 2005

>

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> The mere mention of divisional charts seems to aggravate some people.

> Due to the overall opposition on this group to divisional charts as well

> as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to answer every point

> made by every person. I will only address some important points.

>

> * * *

>

> > Magic called rectification.

> >

> > Natal lagna in

> > Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25 minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in 3

> > minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

>

> Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a factor of 4. Lagna in D-24

> changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10 (dasamsa) changes sign

> in 12 minutes on average.

>

> If you are expected to be absolutely sure which 12-minute slot one was

> born in, before making predictions on career, is it too much to ask?

>

> In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and navamsa charts and

> significantly different careers. The distinguishing factor is D-10

> lagna.

>

> * * *

>

> > But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri K.N.Raojis natal chart.Do

> > we really have to go hunting for yogas by arranging vargamshas.

>

> Well, you are missing an important point. The issue is not just the

> presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him so *active* in the

> field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I showed how it becomes

> clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody with Libra lagna and

> Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so much karma (activity)

> related to knowledge and become well-known in the world in Mercury dasa?

> What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and active involvement in

> disseminating knowledge?

>

> What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for yogas " , but pin-pointing

> the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is 5th lord in D-10

> giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In D-24, Mercury joins 10th

> lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being so active makes

> perfect sense.

>

> * * *

>

> > Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical zodiacal method, some of the

> > rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have them,and some others will

> > attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know which varga

> > calculation is right!!!

>

> You are creating unnecessary confusion. All popular versions of BPHS

> agree on the computation of divisional charts. Just because somebody

> uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly don't know what is

> right.

>

> If you take that approach, nothing is certain - even rasi chart. After

> all, there are people who advocate the use of tropical (sayana) zodiac

> in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal (nirayana) zodiac was never

> used by Vedic seers. Just because such people exist, you cannot say that

> we don't even know which rasi chart is correct - tropical or sidereal.

>

> There will always be controversies and differences of opinion. But, the

> fact is that there is a consensus overall on the casting of most

> divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot be the excuse for

> rejecting divisional charts.

>

> > I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give good based on rashi

> > lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters, even if you do not

> > consider houses.As my understanding is limited ,ones with better

> > knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions) may differ.

>

> Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao (ironically, to question my

> views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in dasamsa. He had a

> comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as per Vimsottari dasa and

> Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you don't look at

> houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff like a planet being

> in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign, friendly sign etc,

> Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain the success?

>

> If you find houses and see yogas, you will realize that Jupiter gives

> Jaya yoga (victory combination). I wrote about this in another mail.

>

> * * *

>

> > The difference is that you consider " Navamsa " **just a divisional**

> > while those mentioned in the first group consider it equivalent to

> > Rasi. Varahamihira and others also have mentioned about Divs but not

> > in the way BPHS.

>

> Well, thanks for reading my mind. ;-)

>

> I don't even understand this concept of " just a divisional " . To me,

> there is no difference between rasi, navamsa, dasamsa etc. To me, even

> rasi chart is " just a divisional " .

>

> * * *

>

> > You are saying every divisional has a lagna.For me Lagna has got

> > divisionals do you disagree?Pls tell what is the lagnas you see in a

> > divisional.Whenever i ask this fundamental question,you are not

> > replying.I assume you are either taking an evasive action or you are

> > not understanding what is a varga.Knowing your knowledge it is

> > difficult to opt for the second.

>

> I can reply or take " evasive action " if I atleast understand what you

> are asking. I never understood your questions in this matter. All I can

> understand is that you somehow don't want to recognize divisional charts

> as charts (except, perhaps, navamsa).

>

> > Pls explain what you understand by lagna in navamsha,dasamsha etc.

> > As per sage parashara, and as per the humble understanding of

> > pradeep it is the position of natal lagna itself.We have only a

>

> Yes, lagna is the same point that rises in the east. But that point is

> mapped into various signs in various divisions. For example, lagna may

> be at 52 deg from the start of the zodiac. Lagna is placed in Ta in rasi

> chart, in Cn in navamsa chart, in Le in dasamsa chart and so on. But it

> is the same lagna (same physical point) that is placed in all these

> signs in various charts. Various divisional mappings are like prisms

> thru which a point appears in various positions.

>

> Out of all these mappings, you probably relate to the rasi mapping,

> because it is very simple and corresponds to the physical zodiac nicely.

> But other mappings too exist and were taught by Parasara. If you cannot

> accept them, it is simply your mental block. You haven't presented any

> reasons against casting a divisional " chart " and finding houses in it.

>

> > Kendras are 90 degree multiples from the position of your natal

> > lagna sign.This is what i have understood from the astronomy and

> > astrology.

> >

> > Pls tell me if lagna in vargas are some different lagnas?

>

> Kendras are 90 degree multiples. When you look at two points that are 30

> degrees apart in the physical plane (rasi) thru the prism of navamsa,

> they may appear to be 90 degrees apart in navamsa. That's what counts

> when you are finding kendras in navamsa. Then those two points are in

> mutual kendras in navamsa.

>

> > I hope atleast for this question you will not take evasive action.

>

> I tried to explain my position as patiently as I could! I never meant to

> evade. I simply never understood what your confusion was.

>

> > Now do you mean that i cannot quote what shri Sanjay rath has

> > told.Do you mean i have some ban.Do i necesarily have to be his

> > spokesman.

>

> Well, you said Sanjay ji will be " shocked " with my views. That is not a

> " quote " , but a judgment of yours. You have every right to quote, but not

> to misrepresent.

>

> The fact of the matter is that the difference between Sanjay ji and me

> is very minor and your views on divisional charts, houses in them and

> yogas in them are drastically different from Sanjay ji's. Sanjay ji does

> uses lagna, houses and yogas in divisional charts. It is awkward that

> you would bring up his name to counter my views, when your own views are

> diagonally opposite to Sanjay ji's!

>

> * * *

>

> > > Please do not misunderstand, I am for research into

> > > all these techniques. But show me a technique used

> > > consistently and working. May charts discussed with

> > > these techniques, I have noticed that the same

> > > technique is not used over and over, every chart there

> > > is new parameter introduced.

>

> I can say the same thing about those who use only rasi and navamsa chart

> too!

>

> Atleast one thing I consistently do is to look into a specific chart

> based on the matter. To see mother, I consistently look at 4th in D-12.

> To see luxuries, I consistently look at 4th in D-16. To see education, I

> consistently look at 4th in D-24. And so on. I don't look at 4th in rasi

> chart and give a reading about mother in one chart, about luxuries in

> another, about house in another, about heart in another, about education

> in yet another.

>

> I do try to teach a consistent use of each chart, house, parameter and

> factor. If you are genuinely open and interested in understanding my

> approach, please download the free mp3 lessons from the site below. A

> lot of people have downloaded them and benefited from them.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Prafulla Bhai,

Thanks for ur mail. I am sorry but have been away and for me to catch up

with all those mails in the last 2 days is tough. So pls pardon if my

reply is in brief or i miss something.

 

U have explained it well.

 

Twins chart being the most common example I have not posted that in the

blind chart Thread. As twins chart has been used earlier in such

discussions. I had used a chart where two people born in different

cities on different DATES have the same D1/Rasi chart, although that was

intended as a Case study for us to understand how to predict in such a

scenario only Bharat has replied though he uses different methods for

his analysis.

 

Will read and reply to ur other mails

 

best wishes

Sunil John

 

 

 

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

>

> Yes - I followed the debate, and PVR and Sanjay ji both were

> explicitly clear on use of D charts and interpretation thereof.

>

> I quoted recently on another thread - the views of Late Santhanam

> taken from his case studies / personal discussions. He also has the

> same view.

>

> Shri KN Rao - also have used D charts readings quite consistently.

>

> Shri CS Patel has used D charts in his books.

>

> Shri VK choudhry uses D charts in his interpretation model.

>

>

> On another thread, there was selective reference of Shri Sanjay's

> view. The selective reference to any of the author may not be prudent,

> when we have seen them using it - without doubt.

>

> I am personally clear on the D charts and its application (as I have

> learned from above author's books) and since I do not know sanskrit, i

> do not get into translation part of it.

>

> My views are absolute conformity with PVR's views. Without D charts -

> how will we analyze twin's chart?

>

> regards / Prafulla

> , Sunil John jjnet2000_in@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > 1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR which I

> remembered he had discussed. Sorry been busy. Thought would post it to

> u. Pls see his reply below. This was posted by him on the same group

> when there was big debate on this group on his approach on

divisionals.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > jjnet2000_in jjnet2000_in@

> > jjnet2000_in@

> > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

> > Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11, 2005

> >

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > The mere mention of divisional charts seems to aggravate some

people.

> > Due to the overall opposition on this group to divisional charts as

well

> > as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to answer every point

> > made by every person. I will only address some important points.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > Magic called rectification.

> > >

> > > Natal lagna in

> > > Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25 minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in

3

> > > minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

> >

> > Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a factor of 4. Lagna in

D-24

> > changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10 (dasamsa) changes

sign

> > in 12 minutes on average.

> >

> > If you are expected to be absolutely sure which 12-minute slot one

was

> > born in, before making predictions on career, is it too much to ask?

> >

> > In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and navamsa charts and

> > significantly different careers. The distinguishing factor is D-10

> > lagna.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri K.N.Raojis natal

chart.Do

> > > we really have to go hunting for yogas by arranging vargamshas.

> >

> > Well, you are missing an important point. The issue is not just the

> > presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him so *active* in

the

> > field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I showed how it becomes

> > clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody with Libra lagna

and

> > Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so much karma (activity)

> > related to knowledge and become well-known in the world in Mercury

dasa?

> > What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and active

involvement in

> > disseminating knowledge?

> >

> > What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for yogas " , but

pin-pointing

> > the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is 5th lord in D-10

> > giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In D-24, Mercury joins

10th

> > lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being so active makes

> > perfect sense.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical zodiacal method, some of

the

> > > rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have them,and some others

will

> > > attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know which varga

> > > calculation is right!!!

> >

> > You are creating unnecessary confusion. All popular versions of BPHS

> > agree on the computation of divisional charts. Just because somebody

> > uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly don't know what

is

> > right.

> >

> > If you take that approach, nothing is certain - even rasi chart.

After

> > all, there are people who advocate the use of tropical (sayana)

zodiac

> > in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal (nirayana) zodiac was

never

> > used by Vedic seers. Just because such people exist, you cannot say

that

> > we don't even know which rasi chart is correct - tropical or

sidereal.

> >

> > There will always be controversies and differences of opinion. But,

the

> > fact is that there is a consensus overall on the casting of most

> > divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot be the excuse for

> > rejecting divisional charts.

> >

> > > I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give good based on rashi

> > > lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters, even if you do

not

> > > consider houses.As my understanding is limited ,ones with better

> > > knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions) may differ.

> >

> > Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao (ironically, to question

my

> > views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in dasamsa. He had a

> > comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as per Vimsottari dasa

and

> > Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you don't look at

> > houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff like a planet

being

> > in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign, friendly sign etc,

> > Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain the success?

> >

> > If you find houses and see yogas, you will realize that Jupiter

gives

> > Jaya yoga (victory combination). I wrote about this in another mail.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > The difference is that you consider " Navamsa " **just a

divisional**

> > > while those mentioned in the first group consider it equivalent to

> > > Rasi. Varahamihira and others also have mentioned about Divs but

not

> > > in the way BPHS.

> >

> > Well, thanks for reading my mind. ;-)

> >

> > I don't even understand this concept of " just a divisional " . To me,

> > there is no difference between rasi, navamsa, dasamsa etc. To me,

even

> > rasi chart is " just a divisional " .

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > You are saying every divisional has a lagna.For me Lagna has got

> > > divisionals do you disagree?Pls tell what is the lagnas you see in

a

> > > divisional.Whenever i ask this fundamental question,you are not

> > > replying.I assume you are either taking an evasive action or you

are

> > > not understanding what is a varga.Knowing your knowledge it is

> > > difficult to opt for the second.

> >

> > I can reply or take " evasive action " if I atleast understand what

you

> > are asking. I never understood your questions in this matter. All I

can

> > understand is that you somehow don't want to recognize divisional

charts

> > as charts (except, perhaps, navamsa).

> >

> > > Pls explain what you understand by lagna in navamsha,dasamsha etc.

> > > As per sage parashara, and as per the humble understanding of

> > > pradeep it is the position of natal lagna itself.We have only a

> >

> > Yes, lagna is the same point that rises in the east. But that point

is

> > mapped into various signs in various divisions. For example, lagna

may

> > be at 52 deg from the start of the zodiac. Lagna is placed in Ta in

rasi

> > chart, in Cn in navamsa chart, in Le in dasamsa chart and so on. But

it

> > is the same lagna (same physical point) that is placed in all these

> > signs in various charts. Various divisional mappings are like prisms

> > thru which a point appears in various positions.

> >

> > Out of all these mappings, you probably relate to the rasi mapping,

> > because it is very simple and corresponds to the physical zodiac

nicely.

> > But other mappings too exist and were taught by Parasara. If you

cannot

> > accept them, it is simply your mental block. You haven't presented

any

> > reasons against casting a divisional " chart " and finding houses in

it.

> >

> > > Kendras are 90 degree multiples from the position of your natal

> > > lagna sign.This is what i have understood from the astronomy and

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > > Pls tell me if lagna in vargas are some different lagnas?

> >

> > Kendras are 90 degree multiples. When you look at two points that

are 30

> > degrees apart in the physical plane (rasi) thru the prism of

navamsa,

> > they may appear to be 90 degrees apart in navamsa. That's what

counts

> > when you are finding kendras in navamsa. Then those two points are

in

> > mutual kendras in navamsa.

> >

> > > I hope atleast for this question you will not take evasive action.

> >

> > I tried to explain my position as patiently as I could! I never

meant to

> > evade. I simply never understood what your confusion was.

> >

> > > Now do you mean that i cannot quote what shri Sanjay rath has

> > > told.Do you mean i have some ban.Do i necesarily have to be his

> > > spokesman.

> >

> > Well, you said Sanjay ji will be " shocked " with my views. That is

not a

> > " quote " , but a judgment of yours. You have every right to quote, but

not

> > to misrepresent.

> >

> > The fact of the matter is that the difference between Sanjay ji and

me

> > is very minor and your views on divisional charts, houses in them

and

> > yogas in them are drastically different from Sanjay ji's. Sanjay ji

does

> > uses lagna, houses and yogas in divisional charts. It is awkward

that

> > you would bring up his name to counter my views, when your own views

are

> > diagonally opposite to Sanjay ji's!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > > Please do not misunderstand, I am for research into

> > > > all these techniques. But show me a technique used

> > > > consistently and working. May charts discussed with

> > > > these techniques, I have noticed that the same

> > > > technique is not used over and over, every chart there

> > > > is new parameter introduced.

> >

> > I can say the same thing about those who use only rasi and navamsa

chart

> > too!

> >

> > Atleast one thing I consistently do is to look into a specific chart

> > based on the matter. To see mother, I consistently look at 4th in

D-12.

> > To see luxuries, I consistently look at 4th in D-16. To see

education, I

> > consistently look at 4th in D-24. And so on. I don't look at 4th in

rasi

> > chart and give a reading about mother in one chart, about luxuries

in

> > another, about house in another, about heart in another, about

education

> > in yet another.

> >

> > I do try to teach a consistent use of each chart, house, parameter

and

> > factor. If you are genuinely open and interested in understanding my

> > approach, please download the free mp3 lessons from the site below.

A

> > lot of people have downloaded them and benefited from them.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> >

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Prafulla,

 

Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5, 2005 if

you have time.

 

" How can will we analyze twins charts without D-charts

"

 

What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts why

can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only and

not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

 

I don't think there are many people who can analyze

twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to D-chart

astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same chart

but say the time is now two minutes later, lets see

how many predictions he will change. Why twins take

your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and see

whether you will make any drastic changes to your

predictions of your own chart. if the answer is yes,

you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer is NO

then you won't be able to predict twins using all the

D-charts at your disposal.

 

Satish

 

Satish

--- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

 

> Dear Sunil John,

>

>

> Yes - I followed the debate, and PVR and Sanjay ji

> both were

> explicitly clear on use of D charts and

> interpretation thereof.

>

> I quoted recently on another thread - the views of

> Late Santhanam

> taken from his case studies / personal discussions.

> He also has the

> same view.

>

> Shri KN Rao - also have used D charts readings quite

> consistently.

>

> Shri CS Patel has used D charts in his books.

>

> Shri VK choudhry uses D charts in his interpretation

> model.

>

>

> On another thread, there was selective reference of

> Shri Sanjay's

> view. The selective reference to any of the author

> may not be prudent,

> when we have seen them using it - without doubt.

>

> I am personally clear on the D charts and its

> application (as I have

> learned from above author's books) and since I do

> not know sanskrit, i

> do not get into translation part of it.

>

> My views are absolute conformity with PVR's views.

> Without D charts -

> how will we analyze twin's chart?

>

> regards / Prafulla

> , Sunil John

> <jjnet2000_in wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > 1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR

> which I

> remembered he had discussed. Sorry been busy.

> Thought would post it to

> u. Pls see his reply below. This was posted by him

> on the same group

> when there was big debate on this group on his

> approach on divisionals.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > jjnet2000_in <jjnet2000_in

> > jjnet2000_in

> > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

> > Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11,

> 2005

> >

> >

> > , " Narasimha

> P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > The mere mention of divisional charts seems to

> aggravate some people.

> > Due to the overall opposition on this group to

> divisional charts as well

> > as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to

> answer every point

> > made by every person. I will only address some

> important points.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > Magic called rectification.

> > >

> > > Natal lagna in

> > > Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25

> minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in 3

> > > minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

> >

> > Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a

> factor of 4. Lagna in D-24

> > changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10

> (dasamsa) changes sign

> > in 12 minutes on average.

> >

> > If you are expected to be absolutely sure which

> 12-minute slot one was

> > born in, before making predictions on career, is

> it too much to ask?

> >

> > In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and

> navamsa charts and

> > significantly different careers. The

> distinguishing factor is D-10

> > lagna.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri

> K.N.Raojis natal chart.Do

> > > we really have to go hunting for yogas by

> arranging vargamshas.

> >

> > Well, you are missing an important point. The

> issue is not just the

> > presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him

> so *active* in the

> > field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I

> showed how it becomes

> > clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody

> with Libra lagna and

> > Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so

> much karma (activity)

> > related to knowledge and become well-known in the

> world in Mercury dasa?

> > What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and

> active involvement in

> > disseminating knowledge?

> >

> > What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for

> yogas " , but pin-pointing

> > the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is

> 5th lord in D-10

> > giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In

> D-24, Mercury joins 10th

> > lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being

> so active makes

> > perfect sense.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical

> zodiacal method, some of the

> > > rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have

> them,and some others will

> > > attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know

> which varga

> > > calculation is right!!!

> >

> > You are creating unnecessary confusion. All

> popular versions of BPHS

> > agree on the computation of divisional charts.

> Just because somebody

> > uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly

> don't know what is

> > right.

> >

> > If you take that approach, nothing is certain -

> even rasi chart. After

> > all, there are people who advocate the use of

> tropical (sayana) zodiac

> > in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal

> (nirayana) zodiac was never

> > used by Vedic seers. Just because such people

> exist, you cannot say that

> > we don't even know which rasi chart is correct -

> tropical or sidereal.

> >

> > There will always be controversies and differences

> of opinion. But, the

> > fact is that there is a consensus overall on the

> casting of most

> > divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot

> be the excuse for

> > rejecting divisional charts.

> >

> > > I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give

> good based on rashi

> > > lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters,

> even if you do not

> > > consider houses.As my understanding is limited

> ,ones with better

> > > knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions)

> may differ.

> >

> > Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao

> (ironically, to question my

> > views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in

> dasamsa. He had a

> > comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as

> per Vimsottari dasa and

> > Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If

> you don't look at

> > houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff

> like a planet being

> > in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign,

> friendly sign etc,

> > Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain

> the

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Dear Satessh ji,

 

I am familiar about the thread, and was the member of the forum then.

 

This thread is not on my predictive skills or my opinion. My skills do

not matter on the wider issue - the application of Shri Pradeep's

redefinition of the Varga charts(contrary to most popular methods).

 

Shri Sunil John has submitted the case charts - to be read without D

charts? I have yet to see that done from Shri Pradeep's methodology.

 

let us not divert the thread.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>

> Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5, 2005 if

> you have time.

>

> " How can will we analyze twins charts without D-charts

> "

>

> What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts why

> can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only and

> not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

>

> I don't think there are many people who can analyze

> twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to D-chart

> astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same chart

> but say the time is now two minutes later, lets see

> how many predictions he will change. Why twins take

> your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and see

> whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> predictions of your own chart. if the answer is yes,

> you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer is NO

> then you won't be able to predict twins using all the

> D-charts at your disposal.

>

> Satish

>

> Satish

> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> > Dear Sunil John,

> >

> >

> > Yes - I followed the debate, and PVR and Sanjay ji

> > both were

> > explicitly clear on use of D charts and

> > interpretation thereof.

> >

> > I quoted recently on another thread - the views of

> > Late Santhanam

> > taken from his case studies / personal discussions.

> > He also has the

> > same view.

> >

> > Shri KN Rao - also have used D charts readings quite

> > consistently.

> >

> > Shri CS Patel has used D charts in his books.

> >

> > Shri VK choudhry uses D charts in his interpretation

> > model.

> >

> >

> > On another thread, there was selective reference of

> > Shri Sanjay's

> > view. The selective reference to any of the author

> > may not be prudent,

> > when we have seen them using it - without doubt.

> >

> > I am personally clear on the D charts and its

> > application (as I have

> > learned from above author's books) and since I do

> > not know sanskrit, i

> > do not get into translation part of it.

> >

> > My views are absolute conformity with PVR's views.

> > Without D charts -

> > how will we analyze twin's chart?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> > , Sunil John

> > <jjnet2000_in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > 1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR

> > which I

> > remembered he had discussed. Sorry been busy.

> > Thought would post it to

> > u. Pls see his reply below. This was posted by him

> > on the same group

> > when there was big debate on this group on his

> > approach on divisionals.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > jjnet2000_in <jjnet2000_in@>

> > > jjnet2000_in@

> > > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

> > > Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11,

> > 2005

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha

> > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > The mere mention of divisional charts seems to

> > aggravate some people.

> > > Due to the overall opposition on this group to

> > divisional charts as well

> > > as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to

> > answer every point

> > > made by every person. I will only address some

> > important points.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Magic called rectification.

> > > >

> > > > Natal lagna in

> > > > Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25

> > minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in 3

> > > > minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

> > >

> > > Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a

> > factor of 4. Lagna in D-24

> > > changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10

> > (dasamsa) changes sign

> > > in 12 minutes on average.

> > >

> > > If you are expected to be absolutely sure which

> > 12-minute slot one was

> > > born in, before making predictions on career, is

> > it too much to ask?

> > >

> > > In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and

> > navamsa charts and

> > > significantly different careers. The

> > distinguishing factor is D-10

> > > lagna.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri

> > K.N.Raojis natal chart.Do

> > > > we really have to go hunting for yogas by

> > arranging vargamshas.

> > >

> > > Well, you are missing an important point. The

> > issue is not just the

> > > presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him

> > so *active* in the

> > > field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I

> > showed how it becomes

> > > clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody

> > with Libra lagna and

> > > Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so

> > much karma (activity)

> > > related to knowledge and become well-known in the

> > world in Mercury dasa?

> > > What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and

> > active involvement in

> > > disseminating knowledge?

> > >

> > > What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for

> > yogas " , but pin-pointing

> > > the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is

> > 5th lord in D-10

> > > giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In

> > D-24, Mercury joins 10th

> > > lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being

> > so active makes

> > > perfect sense.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical

> > zodiacal method, some of the

> > > > rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have

> > them,and some others will

> > > > attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know

> > which varga

> > > > calculation is right!!!

> > >

> > > You are creating unnecessary confusion. All

> > popular versions of BPHS

> > > agree on the computation of divisional charts.

> > Just because somebody

> > > uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly

> > don't know what is

> > > right.

> > >

> > > If you take that approach, nothing is certain -

> > even rasi chart. After

> > > all, there are people who advocate the use of

> > tropical (sayana) zodiac

> > > in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal

> > (nirayana) zodiac was never

> > > used by Vedic seers. Just because such people

> > exist, you cannot say that

> > > we don't even know which rasi chart is correct -

> > tropical or sidereal.

> > >

> > > There will always be controversies and differences

> > of opinion. But, the

> > > fact is that there is a consensus overall on the

> > casting of most

> > > divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot

> > be the excuse for

> > > rejecting divisional charts.

> > >

> > > > I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give

> > good based on rashi

> > > > lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters,

> > even if you do not

> > > > consider houses.As my understanding is limited

> > ,ones with better

> > > > knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions)

> > may differ.

> > >

> > > Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao

> > (ironically, to question my

> > > views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in

> > dasamsa. He had a

> > > comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as

> > per Vimsottari dasa and

> > > Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If

> > you don't look at

> > > houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff

> > like a planet being

> > > in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign,

> > friendly sign etc,

> > > Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain

> > the

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Dear Satish ji,

 

What is your view to analayse twin charts then.

 

Plz suggest.

 

Tarun

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>

> Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5, 2005 if

> you have time.

>

> " How can will we analyze twins charts without D-charts

> "

>

> What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts why

> can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only and

> not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

>

> I don't think there are many people who can analyze

> twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to D-chart

> astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same chart

> but say the time is now two minutes later, lets see

> how many predictions he will change. Why twins take

> your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and see

> whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> predictions of your own chart. if the answer is yes,

> you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer is NO

> then you won't be able to predict twins using all the

> D-charts at your disposal.

>

> Satish

>

> Satish

> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> > Dear Sunil John,

> >

> >

> > Yes - I followed the debate, and PVR and Sanjay ji

> > both were

> > explicitly clear on use of D charts and

> > interpretation thereof.

> >

> > I quoted recently on another thread - the views of

> > Late Santhanam

> > taken from his case studies / personal discussions.

> > He also has the

> > same view.

> >

> > Shri KN Rao - also have used D charts readings quite

> > consistently.

> >

> > Shri CS Patel has used D charts in his books.

> >

> > Shri VK choudhry uses D charts in his interpretation

> > model.

> >

> >

> > On another thread, there was selective reference of

> > Shri Sanjay's

> > view. The selective reference to any of the author

> > may not be prudent,

> > when we have seen them using it - without doubt.

> >

> > I am personally clear on the D charts and its

> > application (as I have

> > learned from above author's books) and since I do

> > not know sanskrit, i

> > do not get into translation part of it.

> >

> > My views are absolute conformity with PVR's views.

> > Without D charts -

> > how will we analyze twin's chart?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> > , Sunil John

> > <jjnet2000_in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > 1-2 days back I had removed this old thread of PVR

> > which I

> > remembered he had discussed. Sorry been busy.

> > Thought would post it to

> > u. Pls see his reply below. This was posted by him

> > on the same group

> > when there was big debate on this group on his

> > approach on divisionals.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > jjnet2000_in <jjnet2000_in@>

> > > jjnet2000_in@

> > > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:44:51 PM

> > > Fwd: Miscellaneous Replies - Feb 11,

> > 2005

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha

> > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > The mere mention of divisional charts seems to

> > aggravate some people.

> > > Due to the overall opposition on this group to

> > divisional charts as well

> > > as lack of time on my part, I will not attempt to

> > answer every point

> > > made by every person. I will only address some

> > important points.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Magic called rectification.

> > > >

> > > > Natal lagna in

> > > > Chathurvimshamsha(D-24) changes in 1.25

> > minutes!!!!! Dashamsha in 3

> > > > minutes, shastyamsha in 30 seconds!!!

> > >

> > > Your math is wrong. The numbers are off by a

> > factor of 4. Lagna in D-24

> > > changes sign in 5 min on average. Lagna in D-10

> > (dasamsa) changes sign

> > > in 12 minutes on average.

> > >

> > > If you are expected to be absolutely sure which

> > 12-minute slot one was

> > > born in, before making predictions on career, is

> > it too much to ask?

> > >

> > > In fact, there ARE twins with the same rasi and

> > navamsa charts and

> > > significantly different careers. The

> > distinguishing factor is D-10

> > > lagna.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > But Do we have a dearth for Yogas in Shri

> > K.N.Raojis natal chart.Do

> > > > we really have to go hunting for yogas by

> > arranging vargamshas.

> > >

> > > Well, you are missing an important point. The

> > issue is not just the

> > > presence of yogas. It is: why did Mercury make him

> > so *active* in the

> > > field of knowoledge and make him so famous? I

> > showed how it becomes

> > > clear with D-10 and D-24. Do you expect everybody

> > with Libra lagna and

> > > Mercury, Sun and Ketu in Virgo to engage in so

> > much karma (activity)

> > > related to knowledge and become well-known in the

> > world in Mercury dasa?

> > > What does Mercury in 12th have to do with fame and

> > active involvement in

> > > disseminating knowledge?

> > >

> > > What I did in D-10 and D-24 is not " hunting for

> > yogas " , but pin-pointing

> > > the exact factor that gave the result. Mercury is

> > 5th lord in D-10

> > > giving a raja yoga and promises fame (5th). In

> > D-24, Mercury joins 10th

> > > lord and gives dharma-karmadhipati yoga and being

> > so active makes

> > > perfect sense.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Now if we go by Varanasi or the cyclical

> > zodiacal method, some of the

> > > > rectified Mahapurushas will cease to have

> > them,and some others will

> > > > attain those.Where do we stand?We dont even know

> > which varga

> > > > calculation is right!!!

> > >

> > > You are creating unnecessary confusion. All

> > popular versions of BPHS

> > > agree on the computation of divisional charts.

> > Just because somebody

> > > uses cyclical variations does not mean we suddenly

> > don't know what is

> > > right.

> > >

> > > If you take that approach, nothing is certain -

> > even rasi chart. After

> > > all, there are people who advocate the use of

> > tropical (sayana) zodiac

> > > in Vedic astrology and argue that sidereal

> > (nirayana) zodiac was never

> > > used by Vedic seers. Just because such people

> > exist, you cannot say that

> > > we don't even know which rasi chart is correct -

> > tropical or sidereal.

> > >

> > > There will always be controversies and differences

> > of opinion. But, the

> > > fact is that there is a consensus overall on the

> > casting of most

> > > divisional charts taught by Parasara. That cannot

> > be the excuse for

> > > rejecting divisional charts.

> > >

> > > > I repeat ,planets in benefic Vargas will give

> > good based on rashi

> > > > lordships and karakatwas,for respective matters,

> > even if you do not

> > > > consider houses.As my understanding is limited

> > ,ones with better

> > > > knowledge (as shri Chandrashekhar jis mentions)

> > may differ.

> > >

> > > Well, take the example quoted by Sri KN Rao

> > (ironically, to question my

> > > views). George Bush has a debilitated Jupiter in

> > dasamsa. He had a

> > > comfortable re-election in Jupiter antardasa as

> > per Vimsottari dasa and

> > > Jupiter mahadasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa. If

> > you don't look at

> > > houses in divisions and only see qualitative stuff

> > like a planet being

> > > in own sign, exaltation sign, debilitation sign,

> > friendly sign etc,

> > > Jupiter is " weak " in dasamsa. How do you explain

> > the

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Tarun ji,

 

I stay away from them for the reasons mentioned in my

email. I don't think we have gained proficiency in

predicting for people who are not twins. Many have not

learned to walk yet and yet they dream of running a

marathon. As someone had said in the past

 

" We want to go to the moon, but we don't even know how

to fly a kite "

 

Satish

--- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

 

> Dear Satish ji,

>

> What is your view to analayse twin charts then.

>

> Plz suggest.

>

> Tarun

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Prafulla,

> >

> > Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5,

> 2005 if

> > you have time.

> >

> > " How can will we analyze twins charts without

> D-charts

> > "

> >

> > What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> > chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts

> why

> > can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only

> and

> > not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

> >

> > I don't think there are many people who can

> analyze

> > twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> > should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to

> D-chart

> > astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same

> chart

> > but say the time is now two minutes later, lets

> see

> > how many predictions he will change. Why twins

> take

> > your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and

> see

> > whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> > predictions of your own chart. if the answer is

> yes,

> > you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer

> is NO

> > then you won't be able to predict twins using all

> the

> > D-charts at your disposal.

> >

> > Satish

> >

 

 

 

 

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Dear Tarunji and Satishji,

 

It is difficult to predict even

for a non twin, that means for a normal native,

by most of the astrologers who

talk on astrology, soliciting predictions on

twins, would be like walking to the Moon.

(That is written in general.)

Astrology is not eating a cake.

It can be simple, and can be hard at the same time.

It can reveal and it can cloud your

mind, so as not to reveal, at the same time.

 

All depends, as one member said,

on the spiritual progress too, and also

on the basic need of the astrologer to

help, serve the native and see that he is

comforted before he leaves the door,

and lastly the commercial part.

 

a) If one is a honest astrologer

b) Sharpening his tools regularly

c) with Foremost desire to help people

d) then God would help Him

e) by Providing the required knowledge.

f) and of course only a deserving native

would reach this astrologer.

 

So twins or no twins, predicting itself is

a important part, which many are not doing properly,

we have to learn the basics properly and then talk

about advanced astrology.No offence or refrence to

anyone but in general.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Tarun ji,

>

> I stay away from them for the reasons mentioned in my

> email. I don't think we have gained proficiency in

> predicting for people who are not twins. Many have not

> learned to walk yet and yet they dream of running a

> marathon. As someone had said in the past

>

> " We want to go to the moon, but we don't even know how

> to fly a kite "

>

> Satish

> --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish ji,

> >

> > What is your view to analayse twin charts then.

> >

> > Plz suggest.

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5,

> > 2005 if

> > > you have time.

> > >

> > > " How can will we analyze twins charts without

> > D-charts

> > > "

> > >

> > > What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> > > chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts

> > why

> > > can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only

> > and

> > > not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

> > >

> > > I don't think there are many people who can

> > analyze

> > > twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> > > should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to

> > D-chart

> > > astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same

> > chart

> > > but say the time is now two minutes later, lets

> > see

> > > how many predictions he will change. Why twins

> > take

> > > your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and

> > see

> > > whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> > > predictions of your own chart. if the answer is

> > yes,

> > > you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer

> > is NO

> > > then you won't be able to predict twins using all

> > the

> > > D-charts at your disposal.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Satish ji,

 

there are various stories among twin births..

 

one came few days back ..that 2 sisters, twins got exact same marks

in each subject. and their board exams result was same with same % of

marks.

 

Their likes dislikes, their health all are dramatically same.

both feel sad at same time . both get fever at same time, both body

temp in fever too is same.

 

and there are also many cases where there is equally opposite.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Tarun

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Tarun ji,

>

> I stay away from them for the reasons mentioned in my

> email. I don't think we have gained proficiency in

> predicting for people who are not twins. Many have not

> learned to walk yet and yet they dream of running a

> marathon. As someone had said in the past

>

> " We want to go to the moon, but we don't even know how

> to fly a kite "

>

> Satish

> --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish ji,

> >

> > What is your view to analayse twin charts then.

> >

> > Plz suggest.

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5,

> > 2005 if

> > > you have time.

> > >

> > > " How can will we analyze twins charts without

> > D-charts

> > > "

> > >

> > > What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> > > chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts

> > why

> > > can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only

> > and

> > > not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

> > >

> > > I don't think there are many people who can

> > analyze

> > > twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> > > should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to

> > D-chart

> > > astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same

> > chart

> > > but say the time is now two minutes later, lets

> > see

> > > how many predictions he will change. Why twins

> > take

> > > your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and

> > see

> > > whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> > > predictions of your own chart. if the answer is

> > yes,

> > > you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer

> > is NO

> > > then you won't be able to predict twins using all

> > the

> > > D-charts at your disposal.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Satish ji

 

Well said.I share the same views.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Tarun ji,

>

> I stay away from them for the reasons mentioned in my

> email. I don't think we have gained proficiency in

> predicting for people who are not twins. Many have not

> learned to walk yet and yet they dream of running a

> marathon. As someone had said in the past

>

> " We want to go to the moon, but we don't even know how

> to fly a kite "

>

> Satish

> --- Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish ji,

> >

> > What is your view to analayse twin charts then.

> >

> > Plz suggest.

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Please read the discussion on VA list Nov 1-5,

> > 2005 if

> > > you have time.

> > >

> > > " How can will we analyze twins charts without

> > D-charts

> > > "

> > >

> > > What makes you so confident you can anlyze twin's

> > > chart using D-charts ? If you can using D-charts

> > why

> > > can't one analyze using Divisions only/amshas only

> > and

> > > not a kundali arrangement as D-chart?

> > >

> > > I don't think there are many people who can

> > analyze

> > > twin's chart correctly. This is an experiment one

> > > should do. take a chart of ONE of the twins to

> > D-chart

> > > astrologer. Let him predict. Then take the same

> > chart

> > > but say the time is now two minutes later, lets

> > see

> > > how many predictions he will change. Why twins

> > take

> > > your own chart, add or subtract 2-4 minutes and

> > see

> > > whether you will make any drastic changes to your

> > > predictions of your own chart. if the answer is

> > yes,

> > > you are an jyotishi par exellence. If the answer

> > is NO

> > > then you won't be able to predict twins using all

> > the

> > > D-charts at your disposal.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

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