Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Pradeep, Is it not crystal clear that none of us have read all the works done by our ancients so why are we asking for a reference on any thing. We are nobody's in this science to propose a new theory unless we have seen it working for years. We have not even read a miniscule of the amount of literature that we have today, then the question of understanding them, then the question of lost literature. What we can go about is what works. If Mr.Rao has used it we can blindly test it further as he won't speak anything unless he has tested it over thousands of charts. Also he is the only astrologer alive who has learnt from yogis and many parampara astrologers, having travelled the width of india over the years of his service. He surely has seen what works and what does not. He surely would know the difference between a wild theory and surely must have found out some reference somewhere. We need not agree with everything he says, though am sure something as basic as this, which is the base of his jyotish can be accepted with good faith that a shisya has for his Guru. All these days of internet debate, did you write to Mr.Rao and ask him for some reference. I think you used to earlier quote some personal interactions with him on most issues. He would have replied to you by now. I see some mails written for me, need to attend to them. Warm regards to my friend, Sush , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > Can you show just one reference in sanskrit.Let the learned in > sanskrit interpret those and let us see. > > > Regds > Pradeep > Pradeep , Prafulla Gang > jyotish@ wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Yes, Navamsha chakra is used in many texts - in very explicit > manner, leaving little doubt on its use. Just because parashar did > not mention (or even if he mentioned, and those contents are not > referred in commentaries, I have read), I will not be ignoring them. > > > > BTW, My reference to foul words / defending you, was in general - > from forum perspective. I will do this for anyone. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. " > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:53:46 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Aspcts in Navamsha > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji, > > > > > > I have been reading some literature on Navamshas., > > > and it is pretty evident that this has been used > > > extensively in Nadi Granthas, including Dhruva > > > and Deva keralam. Transits also have been suggested > > > through Navamsha (But not the complete Raashi but > > > only through the pada of 3.20degrees) > > > I wish to write much on these, but I think it > > > will not be possible anymore, because last 2 nights > > > have not got proper sleep, and yesterday already have > > > written enough and given several references alongwith > > > the page numbers, the result was not positive, > > > as most of the members instead of discussing, were, > > > either attacking me, or doing moral policing. > > > We cannot waste our energies, time and eforts > > > on such people, it has got me disillusioned. > > > > > > Regards to Shri Santhanam's method, even I > > > have not understood properly, hence I asked for > > > comments from others,but if we see both the examples, > > > the other one by Chandulal Patel, there is total > > > similiarity in what they talk wrt aspects in Navamsha, > > > I mean the method, the planet aspecting,in the > > > Raashi chart,and the planet aspected again in the Rashi > > > chart, here the planet aspected has to fall in the > > > Navamsha signs where the planet who is aspecting, > > > has Lordships over. This confirms the aspect in the > > > navamsha chart.This is what I have understood. > > > > > > There are many references as I repeat , in the nadi > > > texts, and these may be referred by a serious interested > > > seeker if he has the time. But the fact cannot be > > > discounted, that aspects may be taken from the Navamsha > > > chart too. Transits too from here, and astounding > > > methods of predictions are given , for those who > > > wish to access them. > > > > > > Thank you for supporting me, in my fight with > > > the perpetrators. Though I am a peace loving person, > > > and confrontations are the last thing I wish for, but > > > the world is like this. They will throw stones > > > at fruit laden trees, is what I take positive, from > > > these encounters. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Shri Bhaskar ji > > >> > > >> That is with respect to mutual D9 dispositor relationships > > > (referring CS patel's book). Please refer his book on nadis - > using > > > aspects / mutual position of planets in D9 chart is > explained..and so > > > is in Deva keralam. > > >> > > >> Longitudinal aspect - as quoted by you from Late Santhanam's > book - > > > is not yet clear to me. If you may find time - please elaborate, > if he > > > has provided any more examples. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> http://www.prafulla.net > > >> > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. " > > >> ************************************************ > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:14:59 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Aspcts in Navamsha > > >>> > > >>> Hello freinds, > > >>> > > >>> Here are the narrations of two important and famous astrologers > > >>> of our modern day with respect to aspects in navamsha charts. > > >>> It seems there is a diiferent approach to the aspects for the > > >>> planets positied in Navamsha charts. (On referring to > > >>> other texts we may find some other approaches too, therefore > > >>> this is not the end or be all to it) > > >>> > > >>> By Shri R Santhanamji, in his translation of > > >>> Shri Kalyan Varmas Saravali. reference- > > >>> Chapter 24 -Effects of Moon in various Navamshas > > >>> Page 300. > > >>> > > >>> He writes in his Notes. > > >>> > > >>> A clarification about aspect with reference to Nvamsha is > > >>> necessary here. The aspect of a planet should not be > > >>> noted in the navamsha chart but by longitudunal distance. > > >>> ie. in the Rasi chart. For example take the Moon in the > > >>> navamsha of Mars to be aspected by mercury. To fulfill > > >>> this, the Moon should be in the Navamsha of Aries/Scorpio > > >>> and be aspected by Mercury in the Rasi chart. Suppose > > >>> the Moon is in Pisces while mercury is in Virgo. The > > >>> said moon should simultaneously be in Scorpio navamsha > > >>> ie. between 16.40 deg. to 20 deg. in Pisces, and get the > > >>> aspect of the planet mercury from Virgo. In other words, > > >>> mercury need be in a certain position in Navamsha vis a > > >>> vis Moon in specified navamsha. Unless this aspect is > > >>> properly understood , one cannot effectively and meaningfully > > >>> apply the relative rules. Similiar inference applies to > decanate > > >>> anmd other subdivisions. > > >>> > > >>> ( One may take 2-3 readings to understand above. It is > > >>> better to draw a chart on a paper with any Lagna, say > > >>> Aries and then try to understand the above. > > >>> I feel the degrees in above example for Moon to hav > > >>> Pisces navamsha should be bewteen 13.20 to 16.40) > > >>> > > >>> By Shri Chandulal S patel, in his Book > > >>> Navamsa in astrology.Chapter 7 Dispositors > > >>> Sub section - Aspect of navamsha Dispositors. > > >>> Page 80 > > >>> > > >>> He writes- > > >>> The relevant planets position in Navamsha should be known > > >>> and aspects be estimated in Rasi chart only. > > >>> Say Saturn is in Simha 24th degree, while Mars is in > > >>> sign Vrisabh. Mars aspects Saturn. Saturn in turn begets > > >>> Scorpio Navamsha ruled by Mars. This way all such > > >>> combinations be understood. > > >>> > > >>> (In this example Saturn would of course get Scorpio > > >>> Navamsha . There is square or 4th aspect from > > >>> Mars.) > > >>> > > >>> I hope the members woul comment on this. But > > >>> while doing so please remember that I am not the > > >>> author of the above. > > >>> > > >>> regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Sushmita You are right.That is why i did not quote malayalam here.I quoted sanskrit shlokas which clearly explains the same.The verses were not difficult ones ,for example kemadruma yoga.Thus they were objective. Now divisional chart is a new theory.Divisional is a theory from sage.It is mentioned in all the classics. Late Prof N.E.Muthuswamy who has translated almost all classics in jyotish,wrote about divisional charts in his book.He was supporting divsional charts on the basis of Prof Shasthri ,K.NRaoji etc. But he did not mention reference from any classics.Thus it is a new theory. Now the predictions can be based on amshas.Those consider them as charts takes bhavas ,after getting enough conclusions from the rashi chakra and strength of yogas.Even if houses were not considered,the strength of amshas will yield results. The only problem is if we proliferate ''divisional charts '' as one among the vargas ,we are not doing so in line with definiton from munivaryas. Divsiion is for a Rashi of 30 degrees and not for the chart. Nobody can violate this fundamental definiton.If they do so its is a new theory and they can do so as a personal view. So please understand that ,mine is not a new theory and i do not have to prove anything.I have been using this and it has been used by the authors and practitioners of parashana marga. K.N.Raoji has written in this very list that,the one who cannot predict based on Rashi chakra will never learn astrology.That does not mean amshas are not needed.It means the basic conlcusions (main factors) have to be delienated from there.Else the person is doing some fun or fantasy in the name of astrology. Now my view is the amshas has umpteen number of uses.If we use all of them we can become masters. I have not even read 1/4th of dashadhyayi. But how will we bring all those to light if nobody wants to listen.If every one wants to see aspects,which are assumptions and justify.There are numerous other important usage of amshas. Let us collectively put astrology back to rails. Hope you understand my concern.No disrespect for anyone. Respect Pradeep , " sushmita34 " <sushmita34 wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > Is it not crystal clear that none of us have read all the works done by > our ancients so why are we asking for a reference on any thing. We are > nobody's in this science to propose a new theory unless we have seen it > working for years. We have not even read a miniscule of the amount of > literature that we have today, then the question of understanding them, > then the question of lost literature. > > What we can go about is what works. If Mr.Rao has used it we can blindly > test it further as he won't speak anything unless he has tested it over > thousands of charts. Also he is the only astrologer alive who has learnt > from yogis and many parampara astrologers, having travelled the width of > india over the years of his service. He surely has seen what works and > what does not. He surely would know the difference between a wild theory > and surely must have found out some reference somewhere. We need not > agree with everything he says, though am sure something as basic as > this, which is the base of his jyotish can be accepted with good faith > that a shisya has for his Guru. > > All these days of internet debate, did you write to Mr.Rao and ask him > for some reference. I think you used to earlier quote some personal > interactions with him on most issues. He would have replied to you by > now. > > I see some mails written for me, need to attend to them. > > Warm regards to my friend, > > Sush > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > Can you show just one reference in sanskrit.Let the learned in > > sanskrit interpret those and let us see. > > > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > Pradeep , Prafulla Gang > > jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Yes, Navamsha chakra is used in many texts - in very explicit > > manner, leaving little doubt on its use. Just because parashar did > > not mention (or even if he mentioned, and those contents are not > > referred in commentaries, I have read), I will not be ignoring them. > > > > > > BTW, My reference to foul words / defending you, was in general - > > from forum perspective. I will do this for anyone. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. " > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:53:46 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: Aspcts in Navamsha > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafullaji, > > > > > > > > I have been reading some literature on Navamshas., > > > > and it is pretty evident that this has been used > > > > extensively in Nadi Granthas, including Dhruva > > > > and Deva keralam. Transits also have been suggested > > > > through Navamsha (But not the complete Raashi but > > > > only through the pada of 3.20degrees) > > > > I wish to write much on these, but I think it > > > > will not be possible anymore, because last 2 nights > > > > have not got proper sleep, and yesterday already have > > > > written enough and given several references alongwith > > > > the page numbers, the result was not positive, > > > > as most of the members instead of discussing, were, > > > > either attacking me, or doing moral policing. > > > > We cannot waste our energies, time and eforts > > > > on such people, it has got me disillusioned. > > > > > > > > Regards to Shri Santhanam's method, even I > > > > have not understood properly, hence I asked for > > > > comments from others,but if we see both the examples, > > > > the other one by Chandulal Patel, there is total > > > > similiarity in what they talk wrt aspects in Navamsha, > > > > I mean the method, the planet aspecting,in the > > > > Raashi chart,and the planet aspected again in the Rashi > > > > chart, here the planet aspected has to fall in the > > > > Navamsha signs where the planet who is aspecting, > > > > has Lordships over. This confirms the aspect in the > > > > navamsha chart.This is what I have understood. > > > > > > > > There are many references as I repeat , in the nadi > > > > texts, and these may be referred by a serious interested > > > > seeker if he has the time. But the fact cannot be > > > > discounted, that aspects may be taken from the Navamsha > > > > chart too. Transits too from here, and astounding > > > > methods of predictions are given , for those who > > > > wish to access them. > > > > > > > > Thank you for supporting me, in my fight with > > > > the perpetrators. Though I am a peace loving person, > > > > and confrontations are the last thing I wish for, but > > > > the world is like this. They will throw stones > > > > at fruit laden trees, is what I take positive, from > > > > these encounters. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Shri Bhaskar ji > > > >> > > > >> That is with respect to mutual D9 dispositor relationships > > > > (referring CS patel's book). Please refer his book on nadis - > > using > > > > aspects / mutual position of planets in D9 chart is > > explained..and so > > > > is in Deva keralam. > > > >> > > > >> Longitudinal aspect - as quoted by you from Late Santhanam's > > book - > > > > is not yet clear to me. If you may find time - please elaborate, > > if he > > > > has provided any more examples. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net > > > >> > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. " > > > >> ************************************************ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:14:59 -0000 > > > >>> > > > >>> Aspcts in Navamsha > > > >>> > > > >>> Hello freinds, > > > >>> > > > >>> Here are the narrations of two important and famous astrologers > > > >>> of our modern day with respect to aspects in navamsha charts. > > > >>> It seems there is a diiferent approach to the aspects for the > > > >>> planets positied in Navamsha charts. (On referring to > > > >>> other texts we may find some other approaches too, therefore > > > >>> this is not the end or be all to it) > > > >>> > > > >>> By Shri R Santhanamji, in his translation of > > > >>> Shri Kalyan Varmas Saravali. reference- > > > >>> Chapter 24 -Effects of Moon in various Navamshas > > > >>> Page 300. > > > >>> > > > >>> He writes in his Notes. > > > >>> > > > >>> A clarification about aspect with reference to Nvamsha is > > > >>> necessary here. The aspect of a planet should not be > > > >>> noted in the navamsha chart but by longitudunal distance. > > > >>> ie. in the Rasi chart. For example take the Moon in the > > > >>> navamsha of Mars to be aspected by mercury. To fulfill > > > >>> this, the Moon should be in the Navamsha of Aries/Scorpio > > > >>> and be aspected by Mercury in the Rasi chart. Suppose > > > >>> the Moon is in Pisces while mercury is in Virgo. The > > > >>> said moon should simultaneously be in Scorpio navamsha > > > >>> ie. between 16.40 deg. to 20 deg. in Pisces, and get the > > > >>> aspect of the planet mercury from Virgo. In other words, > > > >>> mercury need be in a certain position in Navamsha vis a > > > >>> vis Moon in specified navamsha. Unless this aspect is > > > >>> properly understood , one cannot effectively and meaningfully > > > >>> apply the relative rules. Similiar inference applies to > > decanate > > > >>> anmd other subdivisions. > > > >>> > > > >>> ( One may take 2-3 readings to understand above. It is > > > >>> better to draw a chart on a paper with any Lagna, say > > > >>> Aries and then try to understand the above. > > > >>> I feel the degrees in above example for Moon to hav > > > >>> Pisces navamsha should be bewteen 13.20 to 16.40) > > > >>> > > > >>> By Shri Chandulal S patel, in his Book > > > >>> Navamsa in astrology.Chapter 7 Dispositors > > > >>> Sub section - Aspect of navamsha Dispositors. > > > >>> Page 80 > > > >>> > > > >>> He writes- > > > >>> The relevant planets position in Navamsha should be known > > > >>> and aspects be estimated in Rasi chart only. > > > >>> Say Saturn is in Simha 24th degree, while Mars is in > > > >>> sign Vrisabh. Mars aspects Saturn. Saturn in turn begets > > > >>> Scorpio Navamsha ruled by Mars. This way all such > > > >>> combinations be understood. > > > >>> > > > >>> (In this example Saturn would of course get Scorpio > > > >>> Navamsha . There is square or 4th aspect from > > > >>> Mars.) > > > >>> > > > >>> I hope the members woul comment on this. But > > > >>> while doing so please remember that I am not the > > > >>> author of the above. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards, > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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