Predictions / Case study -- for pradeep ji.

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep ji,

 

as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh. Sunil

John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case study.

 

and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as per your

theory.

 

my details are

date : 19-07-1983

Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

Place : Jodhpur City India.

 

 

And i would be grateful to have your views on how to interpretate my

chart. without navamsa.

 

like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as per

your theory.

 

I hope you will not disappoint me too.

Warm Regards,

 

Tarun

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Tarun

 

This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

predicting.

 

I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic popular

chart on how i read charts.

 

I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep ji,

>

> as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh.

Sunil

> John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

study.

>

> and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as per

your

> theory.

>

> my details are

> date : 19-07-1983

> Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> Place : Jodhpur City India.

>

>

> And i would be grateful to have your views on how to interpretate

my

> chart. without navamsa.

>

> like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as per

> your theory.

>

> I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> Warm Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep ji

 

One request to you:

 

When you present 10/15 charts (including Sunil John submissions) as

case studies. then Please elaborate the varga interpretation model

therein (the new proposed one by you). One chart may not be the right

sample, and if possible - take the charts of different lagnas.

 

I know - this is time consuming exercise, but we may do in batches

(not all together).

 

I am sure few more members may also like to be privileged to provide

you specimen charts (which may be more authentic data).

 

You submitting charts? - are we analysing charts on your theory or

testing in general, other member's abilities? At this stage - this may

be severe deviation from the thread.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear shri Tarun

>

> This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

> like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> predicting.

>

> I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic popular

> chart on how i read charts.

>

> I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> >

> > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh.

> Sunil

> > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

> study.

> >

> > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as per

> your

> > theory.

> >

> > my details are

> > date : 19-07-1983

> > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> >

> >

> > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to interpretate

> my

> > chart. without navamsa.

> >

> > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as per

> > your theory.

> >

> > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now pls don't assume i meant Raoji as a challenger.Raoji has proved

more than what is necesasary with consistency.I have some others who

are challenging.

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear shri Tarun

>

> This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

> like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> predicting.

>

> I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic

popular

> chart on how i read charts.

>

> I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> >

> > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh.

> Sunil

> > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

> study.

> >

> > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as per

> your

> > theory.

> >

> > my details are

> > date : 19-07-1983

> > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> >

> >

> > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to

interpretate

> my

> > chart. without navamsa.

> >

> > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as

per

> > your theory.

> >

> > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I recently posted a quiz on with the specific aim of

testing the effectiveness of different techniques. No hints were

given and the question was framed very strictly, and the event itself

was not typical of quizzes that are generally posted.

 

The quiz was well received (12 attempts) and interestingly, the

person that was the closest to the answer used the ATP method. Why is

this relevant to the current debate? Well, he highlighted the

positioning/aspects of planets in D-12 of the ATP to support his

answer.

 

Maybe someone can post a quiz that asks members to predict the

profession of a native. The birthtime should be accurate and the

profession established (i.e. a single profession). I would be keen to

attempt this using the D-10 with a constrained reference to the Rasi,

just for the purposes of the debate. Those arguing against the use of

D-charts would use the rasi exclusively.

 

Just a few thoughts.

 

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep ji

>

> One request to you:

>

> When you present 10/15 charts (including Sunil John submissions) as

> case studies. then Please elaborate the varga interpretation model

> therein (the new proposed one by you). One chart may not be the

right

> sample, and if possible - take the charts of different lagnas.

>

> I know - this is time consuming exercise, but we may do in batches

> (not all together).

>

> I am sure few more members may also like to be privileged to provide

> you specimen charts (which may be more authentic data).

>

> You submitting charts? - are we analysing charts on your theory or

> testing in general, other member's abilities? At this stage - this

may

> be severe deviation from the thread.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear shri Tarun

> >

> > This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

> > like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> > predicting.

> >

> > I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic

popular

> > chart on how i read charts.

> >

> > I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh.

> > Sunil

> > > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

> > study.

> > >

> > > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as

per

> > your

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > my details are

> > > date : 19-07-1983

> > > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> > >

> > >

> > > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to

interpretate

> > my

> > > chart. without navamsa.

> > >

> > > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as

per

> > > your theory.

> > >

> > > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Pradeepji,

 

If the reference is to me, then let me tell you,

that I am not challenging anyone, and I know the bogus

business(Not all Posters are so) of blind charts done

by many for personal interest on Forums,

I have been through all this.

 

In my case when someone comes to meet me

at home and if I do prediction

on a blind chart , I get the required

fees after consultation is over.

 

Whats here ?

Just to uplift the Egoes ?

Not me at least.

But let some authentic details come,as I

have mentioned in my (B) option in reply

to Swati, and I will participate.

I should add here, that the questioner

should provide 4 options if the query is for

marriage date, or job requisiion or going

abroad etc, Then we can enjoy

predicting, but just for ego feeding,

no more, for me at least.

 

My Ego is feeded by my well wishers and clients.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear shri Tarun

>

> This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

> like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> predicting.

>

> I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic popular

> chart on how i read charts.

>

> I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> >

> > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by sh.

> Sunil

> > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

> study.

> >

> > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as per

> your

> > theory.

> >

> > my details are

> > date : 19-07-1983

> > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> >

> >

> > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to interpretate

> my

> > chart. without navamsa.

> >

> > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as per

> > your theory.

> >

> > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Tarun

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

It was not at all aganist anyone in person.It was in general as i

know this Quiz business that happened in vedic -astrology group2

years back.

Some individuals joined hands and tried to defeat the

debates.Finally those who ran this ''quiz business'' were exposed.

 

I am not accusing those who have put a quiz now.Their intentions may

be true.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Pradeepji,

>

> If the reference is to me, then let me tell you,

> that I am not challenging anyone, and I know the bogus

> business(Not all Posters are so) of blind charts done

> by many for personal interest on Forums,

> I have been through all this.

>

> In my case when someone comes to meet me

> at home and if I do prediction

> on a blind chart , I get the required

> fees after consultation is over.

>

> Whats here ?

> Just to uplift the Egoes ?

> Not me at least.

> But let some authentic details come,as I

> have mentioned in my (B) option in reply

> to Swati, and I will participate.

> I should add here, that the questioner

> should provide 4 options if the query is for

> marriage date, or job requisiion or going

> abroad etc, Then we can enjoy

> predicting, but just for ego feeding,

> no more, for me at least.

>

> My Ego is feeded by my well wishers and clients.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear shri Tarun

> >

> > This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I would

> > like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> > predicting.

> >

> > I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic

popular

> > chart on how i read charts.

> >

> > I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil John.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by

sh.

> > Sunil

> > > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and case

> > study.

> > >

> > > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as

per

> > your

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > my details are

> > > date : 19-07-1983

> > > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> > >

> > >

> > > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to

interpretate

> > my

> > > chart. without navamsa.

> > >

> > > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it as

per

> > > your theory.

> > >

> > > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > > Warm Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Atma Gyan ji

 

The Rashi chart ,transits,dasha,amshas,strength of grahas,and

numerous basic attributes forms the main reasons for an event to

happen.

 

Some one can say - Ketu int the 3rd from arudha lagna,in

dashamsha,having argala from rahu,aspected by rahu has resulted in

something and if his answer is close -can we say his technique is

correct?

 

If you think so you can.The finer points are not deciding factors.

 

 

Similarly ,we can not conclude on which was the deciding factor.But

if an event is justified ,then all the major factors have to be

delienated from the Rashi chakra along with relevant amshas.

 

This approach will halp one make consistent ,true comprehensive

objective predictions.Others will be good in post mortems.

 

We have to see if there were any pointers in the rashi chart that

could explain your quiz event.Anyone can take any justification and

say this was the reason for the event.

 

I respect your views too.

 

Regds

Pardeep

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan

wrote:

>

> I recently posted a quiz on with the specific aim

of

> testing the effectiveness of different techniques. No hints were

> given and the question was framed very strictly, and the event

itself

> was not typical of quizzes that are generally posted.

>

> The quiz was well received (12 attempts) and interestingly, the

> person that was the closest to the answer used the ATP method. Why

is

> this relevant to the current debate? Well, he highlighted the

> positioning/aspects of planets in D-12 of the ATP to support his

> answer.

>

> Maybe someone can post a quiz that asks members to predict the

> profession of a native. The birthtime should be accurate and the

> profession established (i.e. a single profession). I would be keen

to

> attempt this using the D-10 with a constrained reference to the

Rasi,

> just for the purposes of the debate. Those arguing against the use

of

> D-charts would use the rasi exclusively.

>

> Just a few thoughts.

>

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji

> >

> > One request to you:

> >

> > When you present 10/15 charts (including Sunil John submissions)

as

> > case studies. then Please elaborate the varga interpretation

model

> > therein (the new proposed one by you). One chart may not be the

> right

> > sample, and if possible - take the charts of different lagnas.

> >

> > I know - this is time consuming exercise, but we may do in

batches

> > (not all together).

> >

> > I am sure few more members may also like to be privileged to

provide

> > you specimen charts (which may be more authentic data).

> >

> > You submitting charts? - are we analysing charts on your theory

or

> > testing in general, other member's abilities? At this stage -

this

> may

> > be severe deviation from the thread.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear shri Tarun

> > >

> > > This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I

would

> > > like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> > > predicting.

> > >

> > > I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic

> popular

> > > chart on how i read charts.

> > >

> > > I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil

John.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > >

> > > > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by

sh.

> > > Sunil

> > > > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and

case

> > > study.

> > > >

> > > > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart as

> per

> > > your

> > > > theory.

> > > >

> > > > my details are

> > > > date : 19-07-1983

> > > > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > > > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to

> interpretate

> > > my

> > > > chart. without navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it

as

> per

> > > > your theory.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pradeepji,

 

Of course a wide spectrum of factors influence an event, but the

point I was making was that there must be some validity in using

bhavas in D-charts if they can yield an accurate prediction. Note

that this was not a post mortem analysis as it was a blind quiz where

the participants had no hint whatsoever in the actual event. In fact

it was difficult using the rasi alone to predict the event (and most

relying predominantly on the rasi in this quiz failed).

 

By the way I don't use arudhas/drishits or the aspects of Rahu/Ketu.

Just core principles relating to houses, rulers, aspects and

karakatwas together with dashas. I have found that these principles

can be extended to D-charts, but have an open mind and am keen to

learn new techniques/methods from experienced astrologers.

 

Not all have the gift of intuition or the practical experience of

viewing thousands of charts that can take years and years. Such

accumulated wisdom does make predictions from rasi alone possible but

the sadhna required is intense. The use of D-charts and methods such

as ATP, on the other hand, enable faster( I stress the relative here,

faster not fast) progress in the art of prediction and reduce the

complexity to a certain extent. This is not to say that the sadhna is

not intense, but not as overwhelming as it would be if you are

restricted to Rasi and amshas.

 

The sages may have propounded the rasi primarily as the spiritual

otulook/sadhna capabilities were more common place in those times

that enabled higher intuitive perception. Furthermore, shlokas were

written by sages in a style specific to that era. Consider for

example the prescription of bhakti yoga as a path to moksha in

kaliyug, implying that selfless devotional service/love to God is the

easiest( not easy) method. Maybe applying shlokas from that era would

be akin to trying to obtain moksha through the severe penances that

are generally impossible in this age. The point I am getting at is

that we should aim at using the most efficient approach in terms of

time and accuracy.

 

My view are not overriding or authoritative or above any others.

 

 

An eternal learner.

 

 

 

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Atma Gyan ji

>

> The Rashi chart ,transits,dasha,amshas,strength of grahas,and

> numerous basic attributes forms the main reasons for an event to

> happen.

>

> Some one can say - Ketu int the 3rd from arudha lagna,in

> dashamsha,having argala from rahu,aspected by rahu has resulted in

> something and if his answer is close -can we say his technique is

> correct?

>

> If you think so you can.The finer points are not deciding factors.

>

>

> Similarly ,we can not conclude on which was the deciding factor.But

> if an event is justified ,then all the major factors have to be

> delienated from the Rashi chakra along with relevant amshas.

>

> This approach will halp one make consistent ,true comprehensive

> objective predictions.Others will be good in post mortems.

>

> We have to see if there were any pointers in the rashi chart that

> could explain your quiz event.Anyone can take any justification and

> say this was the reason for the event.

>

> I respect your views too.

>

> Regds

> Pardeep

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I recently posted a quiz on with the specific

aim

> of

> > testing the effectiveness of different techniques. No hints were

> > given and the question was framed very strictly, and the event

> itself

> > was not typical of quizzes that are generally posted.

> >

> > The quiz was well received (12 attempts) and interestingly, the

> > person that was the closest to the answer used the ATP method.

Why

> is

> > this relevant to the current debate? Well, he highlighted the

> > positioning/aspects of planets in D-12 of the ATP to support his

> > answer.

> >

> > Maybe someone can post a quiz that asks members to predict the

> > profession of a native. The birthtime should be accurate and the

> > profession established (i.e. a single profession). I would be

keen

> to

> > attempt this using the D-10 with a constrained reference to the

> Rasi,

> > just for the purposes of the debate. Those arguing against the

use

> of

> > D-charts would use the rasi exclusively.

> >

> > Just a few thoughts.

> >

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji

> > >

> > > One request to you:

> > >

> > > When you present 10/15 charts (including Sunil John

submissions)

> as

> > > case studies. then Please elaborate the varga interpretation

> model

> > > therein (the new proposed one by you). One chart may not be the

> > right

> > > sample, and if possible - take the charts of different lagnas.

> > >

> > > I know - this is time consuming exercise, but we may do in

> batches

> > > (not all together).

> > >

> > > I am sure few more members may also like to be privileged to

> provide

> > > you specimen charts (which may be more authentic data).

> > >

> > > You submitting charts? - are we analysing charts on your theory

> or

> > > testing in general, other member's abilities? At this stage -

> this

> > may

> > > be severe deviation from the thread.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear shri Tarun

> > > >

> > > > This is a good approach.We are not masters of predictors.I

> would

> > > > like to see if i give 5 blind charts, how the challengers are

> > > > predicting.

> > > >

> > > > I will defnitely demonstrate today itself using an authentic

> > popular

> > > > chart on how i read charts.

> > > >

> > > > I will also try to understand the charts provided by Sunil

> John.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > as you are going to provide predictions on charts posted by

> sh.

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > John, Please include my chart too in your predictions and

> case

> > > > study.

> > > > >

> > > > > and provide me the way of your interpretation of my chart

as

> > per

> > > > your

> > > > > theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > my details are

> > > > > date : 19-07-1983

> > > > > Time : 10.35.06 am ( Recfified from 10.35)

> > > > > Place : Jodhpur City India.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And i would be grateful to have your views on how to

> > interpretate

> > > > my

> > > > > chart. without navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > like i have kanya lagna and makar navamsa, so how to do it

> as

> > per

> > > > > your theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you will not disappoint me too.

> > > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>