Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji / members, If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so is for navamsa tulya rasi. It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit results through Navamsa Chakra. And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 of the Chandra Kala Nadi. There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. My humble view: a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D charts d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies (when it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading model. e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent assessments. f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © is available. My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. regards / Prafulla , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > Param " > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > it is high time for natives brother to > prosper, also it is high time for native to > prosper still more " > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > effects - > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > Tula navamsha, means the part between > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > happen. > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > of for predicting results of transit. > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > made use of as transit landmarks > and predictions made. > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > at many places. > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > can also be appled- > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > etc.--------- > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > aspects in Navamsha too. > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > no sense and waste of time would only be the > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > The Universal approach may not always be right, > but individual approach too is not going to work, > unless supported in the same manner the question > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > write more. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Prafullaji, I do not have " Deva Keralam " at present. I sold those 3 volumes and many other astrological books, about 10 years back, when I had some financial problems,back to the book seller for 40% less,from whom I had bought the same. The undermentioned reference I have taken from Shri Chandubhais book. I have in possession some other good books, but time constraints do not allow the pleasure of reading and studying these. There is no time for morning walks, Pooja, Meditation, doing the things we like, and so many other mmatters are always pending, just 365 days in a year, with at least the same number of pending matters which keeps on adding, where do we find time from ? Expenses too have to be taken care of by not much educated(Academically) persons like me. I do remember that deva keralam has many references and examples with reference to the subject matter. I also remember a strange thing which struck me that time, but which had been confirmed by a old Bhava Chalit Gujarati astrologer. Deva keralam I remember says that Jupiter in Capricon and Retrograde in 6th House, will behave like a Exalted plane. I read this personally and remember this, when I had in possession, those books. Yes Dhruva nadi too has references. Chandrakala nadi may be having too. But whether some conclusion is reached or not, the fact remains, that Navamsha predictions are very astounding for one who can understand the methods, with minimal mathematical knowledge. regards, Bhaskar. , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full > of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in > D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so is > for navamsa tulya rasi. > > It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > results through Navamsa Chakra. > > And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 of > the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > My humble view: > > a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, > Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > charts > d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies (when > it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading model. > e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > assessments. > f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © is > available. > > My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to > read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > Param " > > > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > it is high time for natives brother to > > prosper, also it is high time for native to > > prosper still more " > > > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > effects - > > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > Tula navamsha, means the part between > > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > happen. > > > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > of for predicting results of transit. > > > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > made use of as transit landmarks > > and predictions made. > > > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > at many places. > > > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > can also be appled- > > > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > etc.--------- > > > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > aspects in Navamsha too. > > > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > no sense and waste of time would only be the > > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > The Universal approach may not always be right, > > but individual approach too is not going to work, > > unless supported in the same manner the question > > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > write more. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear shri Prafulla Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not onyl Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are the contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and Bharath ji needs any navamsha chakra. As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing to chakras. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full > of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in > D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so is > for navamsa tulya rasi. > > It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > results through Navamsa Chakra. > > And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 of > the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > My humble view: > > a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, > Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > charts > d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies (when > it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading model. > e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > assessments. > f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © is > available. > > My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to > read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > Param " > > > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > it is high time for natives brother to > > prosper, also it is high time for native to > > prosper still more " > > > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > effects - > > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > Tula navamsha, means the part between > > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > happen. > > > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > of for predicting results of transit. > > > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > made use of as transit landmarks > > and predictions made. > > > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > at many places. > > > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > can also be appled- > > > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > etc.--------- > > > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > aspects in Navamsha too. > > > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > no sense and waste of time would only be the > > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > The Universal approach may not always be right, > > but individual approach too is not going to work, > > unless supported in the same manner the question > > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > write more. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji Well my opinion and experience (vis a vis my learning mode) has a definite opinion. and that is with KN Rao / Sanjay Rath / BV Raman / CS Patel / Santhanam etc have stated in their books / articles. For me - the theories / shlokas have little relevance compared to see them working. The endless repetition has left little charm. The time is ripe that we move to Next Step - of course, subject to your convenience. I will wait for your case studies with predictive applications of your interpretation; and will like to seriously see them working on consistent basis. I appreciate your research efforts and look forward to learn. regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear shri Prafulla > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not onyl > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are the > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and Bharath > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing to > chakras. > > Regds > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > > > If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full > > of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in > > D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > is > > for navamsa tulya rasi. > > > > It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > > results through Navamsa Chakra. > > > > And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > of > > the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > > > There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > > a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > > b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > > > My humble view: > > > > a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > > b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > > c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, > > Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > > charts > > d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > (when > > it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > model. > > e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > > assessments. > > f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > is > > available. > > > > My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to > > read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > > > > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > > Param " > > > > > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > > it is high time for natives brother to > > > prosper, also it is high time for native to > > > prosper still more " > > > > > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > > > > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > > effects - > > > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > > Tula navamsha, means the part between > > > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > > happen. > > > > > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > > of for predicting results of transit. > > > > > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > > made use of as transit landmarks > > > and predictions made. > > > > > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > > at many places. > > > > > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > > can also be appled- > > > > > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > > etc.--------- > > > > > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > > aspects in Navamsha too. > > > > > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > > no sense and waste of time would only be the > > > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > > The Universal approach may not always be right, > > > but individual approach too is not going to work, > > > unless supported in the same manner the question > > > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > > > > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > > write more. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Yes, you are right about their references. One more thing, Over the last 16 years of internet jyotish, I have observed so many participants - who have contributed great in terms of unrevealing hidden methods; but not many have done serious venturing into predicitve jyotish. I did observe you into predicitve jyotish quite wonderfully - in various forums. The only those can consistently predict - who have guts/skills (including no fear to be failing) to predict in public (even I lacked those guts and skills). Most of the astrologer - who have been successfully predicting, have a well built interpretation model. Writing theories / analysis - is mercury; who is often suspect to be carrying artificial intelligence. But fine tuned predictions is Venus. Which is a pure thing. I observed a very conributing venus for the traditionalists (whom I saw predicting personally). I have no shloka to quote on this - this is purely my pick from traditionalists. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities. In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice. ************************************************ > > bhaskar_jyotish > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:10:27 -0000 > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > Dear Prafullaji, > > I do not have " Deva Keralam " at present. I sold those > 3 volumes and many other astrological books, about > 10 years back, when I had some financial problems,back > to the book seller for 40% less,from whom I had bought > the same. > The undermentioned reference I have taken from Shri > Chandubhais book. > I have in possession some other good books, but time > constraints do not allow the pleasure of reading and > studying these. There is no time for morning walks, > Pooja, Meditation, doing the things we like, and > so many other mmatters are always pending, just 365 > days in a year, with at least the same number of > pending matters which keeps on adding, where do we > find time from ? Expenses too have to be taken care > of by not much educated(Academically) persons like me. > > I do remember that deva keralam has many references > and examples with reference to the subject matter. > I also remember a strange thing which struck me that > time, but which had been confirmed by a old Bhava > Chalit Gujarati astrologer. Deva keralam I remember > says that Jupiter in Capricon and Retrograde in 6th > House, will behave like a Exalted plane. I read this > personally and remember this, when I had in possession, > those books. > > Yes Dhruva nadi too has references. > Chandrakala nadi may be having too. > > But whether some conclusion is reached or not, > the fact remains, that Navamsha predictions are > very astounding for one who can understand the > methods, with minimal mathematical knowledge. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, >> >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so is >> for navamsa tulya rasi. >> >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit >> results through Navamsa Chakra. >> >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 of >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. >> >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. >> >> My humble view: >> >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D >> charts >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies (when >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading model. >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent >> assessments. >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © is >> available. >> >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. >> >> regards / Prafulla >> >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 >>> >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah >>> Param " >>> >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, >>> it is high time for natives brother to >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to >>> prosper still more " >>> >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. >>> >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above >>> effects - >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would >>> happen. >>> >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use >>> of for predicting results of transit. >>> >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are >>> made use of as transit landmarks >>> and predictions made. >>> >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) >>> at many places. >>> >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle >>> can also be appled- >>> >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart >>> etc.--------- >>> >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the >>> aspects in Navamsha too. >>> >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, >>> unless supported in the same manner the question >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . >>> >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to >>> write more. >>> >>> kind regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >> __________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji Really..You want me to take opinion from Shri rath / Shri KN rao? Why? have they not explained and expressed their opinion categorically in their books. Do they have inconsistent opinions? With all respect to your research and the knowledge base of Shri Chandrasekhar ji and Shri Bharat ji; - I do not think, that your explanation and their agreement with you, proves Shri Rath / Shri KN Rao or others wrong. Let us not switch onus of explaining the theory / dictum. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities. In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice. ************************************************ > > vijayadas_pradeep > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:16 -0000 > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > Dear shri Prafulla > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not onyl > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are the > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and Bharath > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing to > chakras. > > Regds > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, >> >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > is >> for navamsa tulya rasi. >> >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit >> results through Navamsa Chakra. >> >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > of >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. >> >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. >> >> My humble view: >> >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D >> charts >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > (when >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > model. >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent >> assessments. >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > is >> available. >> >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. >> >> regards / Prafulla >> >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 >>> >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah >>> Param " >>> >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, >>> it is high time for natives brother to >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to >>> prosper still more " >>> >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. >>> >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above >>> effects - >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would >>> happen. >>> >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use >>> of for predicting results of transit. >>> >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are >>> made use of as transit landmarks >>> and predictions made. >>> >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) >>> at many places. >>> >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle >>> can also be appled- >>> >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart >>> etc.--------- >>> >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the >>> aspects in Navamsha too. >>> >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, >>> unless supported in the same manner the question >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . >>> >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to >>> write more. >>> >>> kind regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >> __________ Listen & Record Music from Internet Radio - Get Free Radio & MP3 Player & Recorder Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/radio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji I was talking about ,the shlokas that you and Bhaskar ji have given from devakeralam. Bharat ji was wrongly mentioned. As i have explained to Chandrashekhar ji,there is no navamsha chart needed.Can you pls check about this with them. If you still suspect,read my mails to Bhaskar ji and Chandrashkhar ji and come back.There i no ambiguity at all.You ask any memer in this group. Regds Pradeep , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji > > Really..You want me to take opinion from Shri rath / Shri KN rao? Why? have they not explained and expressed their opinion categorically in their books. Do they have inconsistent opinions? > > With all respect to your research and the knowledge base of Shri Chandrasekhar ji and Shri Bharat ji; - I do not think, that your explanation and their agreement with you, proves Shri Rath / Shri KN Rao or others wrong. > > Let us not switch onus of explaining the theory / dictum. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities. > > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice. > ************************************************ > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:16 -0000 > > > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > > > Dear shri Prafulla > > > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not onyl > > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are the > > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and Bharath > > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing to > > chakras. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > >> > >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are full > >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits in > >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > > is > >> for navamsa tulya rasi. > >> > >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > >> results through Navamsa Chakra. > >> > >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > > of > >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. > >> > >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > >> > >> My humble view: > >> > >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV Raman, > >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > >> charts > >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > > (when > >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > > model. > >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > >> assessments. > >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > > is > >> available. > >> > >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager to > >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla > >> > >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > >>> > >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > >>> Param " > >>> > >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > >>> it is high time for natives brother to > >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to > >>> prosper still more " > >>> > >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > >>> > >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above > >>> effects - > >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between > >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > >>> happen. > >>> > >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > >>> of for predicting results of transit. > >>> > >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > >>> made use of as transit landmarks > >>> and predictions made. > >>> > >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > >>> at many places. > >>> > >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > >>> can also be appled- > >>> > >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > >>> etc.--------- > >>> > >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the > >>> aspects in Navamsha too. > >>> > >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the > >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and > >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, > >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, > >>> unless supported in the same manner the question > >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > >>> > >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > >>> write more. > >>> > >>> kind regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >> > > __________ > Listen & Record Music from Internet Radio - Get Free Radio & MP3 Player & Recorder > Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/radio > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I am somehow not able to understand, how do we represent the information tabulated, is it not with graphical representation ? At least for the basic students who have entered astrology ? Or for a pundit asked to read a chart ? The navamsha chart can denote the extent of the Planets degrees to at leat 3.20 compartment making it easier for the pundit, to evaluate, in case of lost birth times, or erased birth times? Is it not true ? , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > I was talking about ,the shlokas that you and Bhaskar ji have given > from devakeralam. > > Bharat ji was wrongly mentioned. > > As i have explained to Chandrashekhar ji,there is no navamsha chart > needed.Can you pls check about this with them. > > If you still suspect,read my mails to Bhaskar ji and Chandrashkhar ji > and come back.There i no ambiguity at all.You ask any memer in this > group. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > Really..You want me to take opinion from Shri rath / Shri KN rao? > Why? have they not explained and expressed their opinion > categorically in their books. Do they have inconsistent opinions? > > > > With all respect to your research and the knowledge base of Shri > Chandrasekhar ji and Shri Bharat ji; - I do not think, that your > explanation and their agreement with you, proves Shri Rath / Shri KN > Rao or others wrong. > > > > Let us not switch onus of explaining the theory / dictum. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask > yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. > Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial > activities. > > > > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It > is not always an easy sacrifice. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:16 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > > > > > Dear shri Prafulla > > > > > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > > > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not > onyl > > > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are > the > > > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > > > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > > > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > > > > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > > > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and > Bharath > > > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > > > > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing > to > > > chakras. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > >> > > >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are > full > > >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits > in > > >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > > > is > > >> for navamsa tulya rasi. > > >> > > >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > > >> results through Navamsa Chakra. > > >> > > >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > > > of > > >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > >> > > >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > > >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > > >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > >> > > >> My humble view: > > >> > > >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > > >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > > >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV > Raman, > > >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > > >> charts > > >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > > > (when > > >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > > > model. > > >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > > >> assessments. > > >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > > > is > > >> available. > > >> > > >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager > to > > >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla > > >> > > >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > >>> > > >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > >>> Param " > > >>> > > >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > >>> it is high time for natives brother to > > >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to > > >>> prosper still more " > > >>> > > >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > >>> > > >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > >>> effects - > > >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between > > >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > >>> happen. > > >>> > > >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > >>> of for predicting results of transit. > > >>> > > >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > >>> made use of as transit landmarks > > >>> and predictions made. > > >>> > > >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > >>> at many places. > > >>> > > >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > >>> can also be appled- > > >>> > > >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > >>> etc.--------- > > >>> > > >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > >>> aspects in Navamsha too. > > >>> > > >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the > > >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, > > >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, > > >>> unless supported in the same manner the question > > >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > >>> > > >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > >>> write more. > > >>> > > >>> kind regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >> > > > > __________ > > Listen & Record Music from Internet Radio - Get Free Radio & MP3 > Player & Recorder > > Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/radio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 But I agree, that for a proficient astrologer, charts are not necessary, just the planetary degrees, signs, their Constellations are enough, to make him form a judgement, as regards to the query put up. This is what is done in Nakshatra padhaty. But how many are proficient enough ? to do this ? regards, Bhaskar. Nakshatra Jyotish Ratna. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > I am somehow not able to understand, how do we > represent the information tabulated, is it not with > graphical representation ? At least for the basic > students who have entered astrology ? Or for a > pundit asked to read a chart ? The navamsha chart > can denote the extent of the Planets degrees to > at leat 3.20 compartment making it easier > for the pundit, to evaluate, in case of > lost birth times, or erased birth times? > Is it not true ? > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > I was talking about ,the shlokas that you and Bhaskar ji have given > > from devakeralam. > > > > Bharat ji was wrongly mentioned. > > > > As i have explained to Chandrashekhar ji,there is no navamsha chart > > needed.Can you pls check about this with them. > > > > If you still suspect,read my mails to Bhaskar ji and Chandrashkhar ji > > and come back.There i no ambiguity at all.You ask any memer in this > > group. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Really..You want me to take opinion from Shri rath / Shri KN rao? > > Why? have they not explained and expressed their opinion > > categorically in their books. Do they have inconsistent opinions? > > > > > > With all respect to your research and the knowledge base of Shri > > Chandrasekhar ji and Shri Bharat ji; - I do not think, that your > > explanation and their agreement with you, proves Shri Rath / Shri KN > > Rao or others wrong. > > > > > > Let us not switch onus of explaining the theory / dictum. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask > > yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. > > Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial > > activities. > > > > > > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It > > is not always an easy sacrifice. > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ > > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:16 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > > > > > > > Dear shri Prafulla > > > > > > > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > > > > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not > > onyl > > > > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are > > the > > > > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > > > > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > > > > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > > > > > > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > > > > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and > > Bharath > > > > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > > > > > > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing > > to > > > > chakras. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > > >> > > > >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are > > full > > > >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits > > in > > > >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > > > > is > > > >> for navamsa tulya rasi. > > > >> > > > >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > > > >> results through Navamsa Chakra. > > > >> > > > >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > > > > of > > > >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > > >> > > > >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > > > >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > > > >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > > >> > > > >> My humble view: > > > >> > > > >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > > > >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > > > >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV > > Raman, > > > >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > > > >> charts > > > >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > > > > (when > > > >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > > > > model. > > > >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > > > >> assessments. > > > >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > > > > is > > > >> available. > > > >> > > > >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager > > to > > > >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla > > > >> > > > >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > > >>> > > > >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > > >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > > >>> Param " > > > >>> > > > >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > > >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > > >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > > >>> it is high time for natives brother to > > > >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to > > > >>> prosper still more " > > > >>> > > > >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > > >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > > >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > > >>> > > > >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > > >>> effects - > > > >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > > >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between > > > >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > > >>> happen. > > > >>> > > > >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > > >>> of for predicting results of transit. > > > >>> > > > >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > > >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > > >>> made use of as transit landmarks > > > >>> and predictions made. > > > >>> > > > >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > > >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > > >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > > >>> at many places. > > > >>> > > > >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > > >>> can also be appled- > > > >>> > > > >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > > >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > > >>> etc.--------- > > > >>> > > > >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > > >>> aspects in Navamsha too. > > > >>> > > > >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > > >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the > > > >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > > >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > > >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > > >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > > >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > > >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > > >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, > > > >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, > > > >>> unless supported in the same manner the question > > > >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > > >>> > > > >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > > >>> write more. > > > >>> > > > >>> kind regards, > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > __________ > > > Listen & Record Music from Internet Radio - Get Free Radio & MP3 > > Player & Recorder > > > Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/radio > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji Thanks for clarifications. I did not quote any shloka - but reference to Deva keralam and Dhruv Nadi. Shri Bhaskar quoted few references from Shri CS Patel books. And these are few of the references quoted by him. All three volumes of Deva Keralam have huge references to navamsa chart and transit. I request you to refer it. I have one explanation pending on your thread (on Nava Pancham relations through Navamsa) - which I have promised to put forth - when we discuss your case studies. regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > I was talking about ,the shlokas that you and Bhaskar ji have given > from devakeralam. > > Bharat ji was wrongly mentioned. > > As i have explained to Chandrashekhar ji,there is no navamsha chart > needed.Can you pls check about this with them. > > If you still suspect,read my mails to Bhaskar ji and Chandrashkhar ji > and come back.There i no ambiguity at all.You ask any memer in this > group. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > Really..You want me to take opinion from Shri rath / Shri KN rao? > Why? have they not explained and expressed their opinion > categorically in their books. Do they have inconsistent opinions? > > > > With all respect to your research and the knowledge base of Shri > Chandrasekhar ji and Shri Bharat ji; - I do not think, that your > explanation and their agreement with you, proves Shri Rath / Shri KN > Rao or others wrong. > > > > Let us not switch onus of explaining the theory / dictum. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask > yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. > Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial > activities. > > > > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It > is not always an easy sacrifice. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:16 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Shloka business. / Divisional charts > > > > > > Dear shri Prafulla > > > > > > Pls see my answer to Chandrashekhar ji. > > > Pls see if any navamsha chakra is needed to interpret these.Not > onyl > > > Devakeralam,Prashnamarga ,Dashadhyayi commentaries etc,which are > the > > > contributions of kerala astrologers contain hundreds of techniques > > > which are useful with amshas.They all are brilliant.None of these > > > needs navamsha chakras.They are all talking about amshas. > > > > > > Can you pls check with shri K.N.Rao or PVR Raao or Sanjay > > > Rath,whether what i have explained to chandrashekhar ji and > Bharath > > > ji needs any navamsha chakra. > > > > > > As told before mayn people assume that these shlokas are pointing > to > > > chakras. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji / members, > > >> > > >> If I remember correctly, Deva Keralam - all three volumes are > full > > >> of references for use of Navamsa Chart. In addition to transits > in > > >> D9 - few references also give hints of rasi tulya navamsa and so > > > is > > >> for navamsa tulya rasi. > > >> > > >> It contains various quick tips (tricks) to decode the transit > > >> results through Navamsa Chakra. > > >> > > >> And let us not forget that - Deva keralam contains less than 1/3 > > > of > > >> the Chandra Kala Nadi. > > >> > > >> There were two contentions in Shri Pradeep's view: > > >> a. firstly there is no such Navamsa Chakra > > >> b. Navamsa Chakra cannot be interpreted as independent D1 chart. > > >> > > >> My humble view: > > >> > > >> a. Please refer Deva Keralam for shlokas and commentaries > > >> b. Refer Dhruv Nadi for shloka > > >> c. refer books / articles / web etc of Shri KN Rao, Shri BV > Raman, > > >> Shri CS Patel, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri VK Choudhry for use of D > > >> charts > > >> d. let us wait, until Shri Pradeep publishes his case studies > > > (when > > >> it fits his schedule) and see, if we may adopt for our reading > > > model. > > >> e. Until © is available - each one of us may make independent > > >> assessments. > > >> f. This repeitive thread has reach to inconclusive end, until © > > > is > > >> available. > > >> > > >> My personal position is with points a,b,c above; and I am eager > to > > >> read Shri Pradeep's whitepaper on it. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla > > >> > > >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > >>> > > >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > >>> Param " > > >>> > > >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > >>> it is high time for natives brother to > > >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to > > >>> prosper still more " > > >>> > > >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > >>> > > >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > >>> effects - > > >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between > > >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > >>> happen. > > >>> > > >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > >>> of for predicting results of transit. > > >>> > > >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > >>> made use of as transit landmarks > > >>> and predictions made. > > >>> > > >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > >>> at many places. > > >>> > > >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > >>> can also be appled- > > >>> > > >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > >>> etc.--------- > > >>> > > >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > >>> aspects in Navamsha too. > > >>> > > >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the > > >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, > > >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, > > >>> unless supported in the same manner the question > > >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > >>> > > >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > >>> write more. > > >>> > > >>> kind regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >> > > > > __________ > > Listen & Record Music from Internet Radio - Get Free Radio & MP3 > Player & Recorder > > Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/radio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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