Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah Param " " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, it is high time for natives brother to prosper, also it is high time for native to prosper still more " My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. The next part ie. transit for timing for above effects - When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in Tula navamsha, means the part between 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would happen. the above proves, that Navamsha is made use of for predicting results of transit. Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of in jatak tattva. The Mid points are made use of as transit landmarks and predictions made. Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) at many places. Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle can also be appled- ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart etc.--------- This proves that the great astrologers consider the aspects in Navamsha too. Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but no sense and waste of time would only be the culmination, because if one is going to understand and interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no use of putting shlokas, because as many as one puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. The Universal approach may not always be right, but individual approach too is not going to work, unless supported in the same manner the question was put, ie. by way of shlokas . I think I should move away now, I am tempted to write more. kind regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Just to add, before someone tries this on his chart.The example mentioned here, was for Kumbha Lagna native. But a wise reader can pick up the essence of the principle applied here. regards/Bhaskar. If I love myself despite my infinite faults, how can I hate anyone , at the glimpse of a few faults ? - Thought by Vivekananda. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > Param " > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > it is high time for natives brother to > prosper, also it is high time for native to > prosper still more " > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > effects - > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > Tula navamsha, means the part between > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > happen. > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > of for predicting results of transit. > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > made use of as transit landmarks > and predictions made. > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > at many places. > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > can also be appled- > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > etc.--------- > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > aspects in Navamsha too. > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > no sense and waste of time would only be the > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > The Universal approach may not always be right, > but individual approach too is not going to work, > unless supported in the same manner the question > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > write more. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji This is exactly what i have explained in my mail to Chandrashekhar ji. Sage is talking about transit conjunctions or aspects on exact natal positions,(not imaginary as in navamsha chakra)in this case 3.2 degree sectors,resulting in strong effects.Here we are talking about the exactness of conjunction or aspect. These are similar to degree wise conjunctions and opposite aspects.How is this aspect happening within Rashi chakra(see in this case it is exactly in the 7th and fully satisfying the rule set by parashara),based on physical dispositions,justifying bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra. I repeat if we go with a preconcluded mind then we have doubts and confusions.If you read any mail,i have always said aspects and bhavas are always based on Rashi chakra.Here too it is the same.The transit too is the same.This means we have not understood navamsha chakra. In this example,sage is talking about exact natal position or its opposite.On the other hand in ''navamsha chakra'' it is not exact position -from whichever rashi you derive aries navamsha you place it in Aries.Thus shri Raman said it is imaginary. Late Santhanam who had translated BPHS raised this concern with clarity. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > Param " > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > it is high time for natives brother to > prosper, also it is high time for native to > prosper still more " > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > effects - > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > Tula navamsha, means the part between > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > happen. > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > of for predicting results of transit. > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > made use of as transit landmarks > and predictions made. > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > at many places. > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > can also be appled- > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > etc.--------- > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > aspects in Navamsha too. > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > no sense and waste of time would only be the > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > The Universal approach may not always be right, > but individual approach too is not going to work, > unless supported in the same manner the question > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > write more. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Pls read justifying bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra as ''How is this aspect happening within rashi chakra ----can just ify bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra?'' in the following para. ''How is this aspect happening within Rashi chakra(see in this case it is exactly in the 7th and fully satisfying the rule set by parashara),based on physical dispositions,justifying bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra.'' , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > This is exactly what i have explained in my mail to Chandrashekhar > ji. > Sage is talking about transit conjunctions or aspects on exact natal > positions,(not imaginary as in navamsha chakra)in this case 3.2 > degree sectors,resulting in strong effects.Here we are talking about > the exactness of conjunction or aspect. > > These are similar to degree wise conjunctions and opposite > aspects.How is this aspect happening within Rashi chakra(see in this > case it is exactly in the 7th and fully satisfying the rule set by > parashara),based on physical dispositions,justifying bhavas or > aspects in navamsha chakra. > > I repeat if we go with a preconcluded mind then we have doubts and > confusions.If you read any mail,i have always said aspects and > bhavas are always based on Rashi chakra.Here too it is the same.The > transit too is the same.This means we have not understood navamsha > chakra. > > In this example,sage is talking about exact natal position or its > opposite.On the other hand in ''navamsha chakra'' it is not exact > position -from whichever rashi you derive aries navamsha you place > it in Aries.Thus shri Raman said it is imaginary. > > Late Santhanam who had translated BPHS raised this concern with > clarity. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 > > > > " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige > > Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah > > Param " > > > > " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha > > Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite > > position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, > > it is high time for natives brother to > > prosper, also it is high time for native to > > prosper still more " > > > > My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign > > in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in > > Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. > > > > The next part ie. transit for timing for above > > effects - > > When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in > > Tula navamsha, means the part between > > 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would > > happen. > > > > the above proves, that Navamsha is made use > > of for predicting results of transit. > > > > Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of > > in jatak tattva. The Mid points are > > made use of as transit landmarks > > and predictions made. > > > > Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on > > " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has > > also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) > > at many places. > > > > Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle > > can also be appled- > > > > ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an > > aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart > > etc.--------- > > > > This proves that the great astrologers consider the > > aspects in Navamsha too. > > > > Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but > > no sense and waste of time would only be the > > culmination, because if one is going to understand and > > interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no > > use of putting shlokas, because as many as one > > puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual > > and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell > > why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. > > The Universal approach may not always be right, > > but individual approach too is not going to work, > > unless supported in the same manner the question > > was put, ie. by way of shlokas . > > > > I think I should move away now, I am tempted to > > write more. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji It seems that all people demanding for case studies, are asked for references / interpretations - to prove it otherwise. Instead Onus is on Shri pradeep to present his predictive application using his interpretations. Bhaskar ji, the threads seem to be diverted. The dictum / interpretation must be presented with the case studies, Else - it reaches no where. Most members have also voiced the same. I repeat, theories must be proved to be adapted. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities. In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice. ************************************************ > > vijayadas_pradeep > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:49:09 -0000 > > Re: Shloka business. > > Pls read > > justifying bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra as > ''How is this aspect happening within rashi chakra ----can just ify > bhavas or aspects in navamsha chakra?'' in the following para. > > > ''How is this aspect happening within Rashi chakra(see in this > case it is exactly in the 7th and fully satisfying the rule set by > parashara),based on physical dispositions,justifying bhavas or > aspects in navamsha chakra.'' > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: >> >> Dear Bhaskar ji >> >> This is exactly what i have explained in my mail to Chandrashekhar >> ji. >> Sage is talking about transit conjunctions or aspects on exact > natal >> positions,(not imaginary as in navamsha chakra)in this case 3.2 >> degree sectors,resulting in strong effects.Here we are talking > about >> the exactness of conjunction or aspect. >> >> These are similar to degree wise conjunctions and opposite >> aspects.How is this aspect happening within Rashi chakra(see in > this >> case it is exactly in the 7th and fully satisfying the rule set by >> parashara),based on physical dispositions,justifying bhavas or >> aspects in navamsha chakra. >> >> I repeat if we go with a preconcluded mind then we have doubts and >> confusions.If you read any mail,i have always said aspects and >> bhavas are always based on Rashi chakra.Here too it is the > same.The >> transit too is the same.This means we have not understood navamsha >> chakra. >> >> In this example,sage is talking about exact natal position or its >> opposite.On the other hand in ''navamsha chakra'' it is not exact >> position -from whichever rashi you derive aries navamsha you place >> it in Aries.Thus shri Raman said it is imaginary. >> >> Late Santhanam who had translated BPHS raised this concern with >> clarity. >> >> Regds >> Pradeep >> >> >> , " Bhaskar " >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> >>> Deva Karalam - Book 1 Page 197 Verse 219 >>> >>> " Meshamse Tollige mande Tulamse Meshrashige >>> Bhraturprabalyakalaha Syata Swaprabalyamatah >>> Param " >>> >>> " When Saturn posited in Tula Sign,in Mesha >>> Navamsha ,transits through exact opposite >>> position ie.in Mesha sign - Tula Navamsha, >>> it is high time for natives brother to >>> prosper, also it is high time for native to >>> prosper still more " >>> >>> My notes- Saturn to be posited in Libra sign >>> in Mesha navamsha , means Saturn has to be in >>> Natal Birth Chart between 20 to 23.20 degrees. >>> >>> The next part ie. transit for timing for above >>> effects - >>> When Saturn transits through Mesha sign, in >>> Tula navamsha, means the part between >>> 20 - 23.20 degrees, again, the above would >>> happen. >>> >>> the above proves, that Navamsha is made use >>> of for predicting results of transit. >>> >>> Then Bhava Madhya Navamsa is spoken of >>> in jatak tattva. The Mid points are >>> made use of as transit landmarks >>> and predictions made. >>> >>> Shri krishna Iyengar in is articles on >>> " The use of Navamsha in prognistication " has >>> also referred to the midpoint of a house (Navamsha) >>> at many places. >>> >>> Chandulal S patel speaks that this principle >>> can also be appled- >>> >>> ---------- whether a Midpoint Navamsa is having an >>> aspect (benefic or Malefic) in a Navamsa chart >>> etc.--------- >>> >>> This proves that the great astrologers consider the >>> aspects in Navamsha too. >>> >>> Many Many references of shlokas can be given, but >>> no sense and waste of time would only be the >>> culmination, because if one is going to understand and >>> interpret Amsas as Rashis of 30 degrees, then no >>> use of putting shlokas, because as many as one >>> puts, if it is going to be interpreted by a individual >>> and a freezed (Closed door) approach, then pray tell >>> why should the efforts be made to discuss at all. >>> The Universal approach may not always be right, >>> but individual approach too is not going to work, >>> unless supported in the same manner the question >>> was put, ie. by way of shlokas . >>> >>> I think I should move away now, I am tempted to >>> write more. >>> >>> kind regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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