Are we sure the Vimshottari AD method of calculation is correct

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OM Datta Guru

 

Dear Prafulla & Sushmita,

 

We know nothing of what the ancients wrote is my conclusion.

 

How many of us know which

1) Sage advocated a different method of calculating the Antar Dashas, if

we do not know that how do we know the different viewpoint. Was that

sage popular, yes he was?

 

2) Did that sage mention the Exact Method of how to use in application

the Vim dasa method,

 

3) Did he mention the use of 3 particular divisionals to judge how the

dasa will give results,

 

4) Did that sage give an Additional Table (Chakra) to be followed while

judging dasa results.

 

These methods I have never seen anyone discuss on list, but if u quote

that sage people will ridicule u, they will crucify u as they did to

Late KP, Seshadiri Iyer, Gopal Meena Row - all of them giants at their

time.

 

I have realised to follow what Parasara said in Chapter 1, that in the

next mail

 

best wishes

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil John,

 

Many thanks for very interesting pointers / concerns. Please read my reply

underneath your comments.

 

> We know nothing of what the ancients wrote is my conclusion.

>

> How many of us know which

> 1) Sage advocated a different method of calculating the Antar Dashas, if

> we do not know that how do we know the different viewpoint. Was that

> sage popular, yes he was?

 

 

[Prafulla] Well, Indian Jyotish has been Guru-Sishya Parampara. It did help to

an extent - that sishya believed in their Guru with utmost good faith and

complete surrender. But when it carried its own pitfalls ( like any extreme

applications). Many senior scholars and jyotish historians expressed that - many

of the sishya became intolerant to other teachnings (like Mugal King Auranjeb)

and they tried to elevate their own Guru as the greatest. In the process at some

stage of jyotish evolution, Parashara also suffered from such classification.

So while evaluating Vimshottri Dasha, we never bothered to go beyond Sage

Parashara.

 

 

Though the calculation method of antar dasa, he did not touch - but the

interpretation model did emphasise that there is much more to Parashara in

Jyotish.

>

> 2) Did that sage mention the Exact Method of how to use in application

> the Vim dasa method,

 

[Prafulla] Well, you are very right. In his book Shambu Hora PraKASH, Late

Santhanam - has touched some of the dasa interpretation issues (from different

perspective). and If one can go through the case studies in TOA issues, he has

demonstrated the dasha phal interpretation from the different perspective. Just

as an example (referring from my memory) - dhanu lagna - mercury / ketu rapt

conj in lagna (please note that rahu / ketu both exalted and budha in own sign);

shani / shukra in kumbha (sukra exalted with rahu in navamsha - for the sake of

clarity in 4th bhava of navamsa). Now the lady suffered severally in mercury

mahadasa (but not in mercury antar dasha / ketu antar ..but in shukra and rahu

antar ..and more in rahu antar). The dasha phal is primarily nakshatra

progression and verbatim interpretation of parashara may fail severally (as

demonstrated in case study). Late Santhanam has asked this very question in case

study - why not ketu / mercury anatar went bad? and why rahu anatar only? (and

that too - not the entire anatar dasa - but a specific phase).

 

 

>

> 3) Did he mention the use of 3 particular divisionals to judge how the

> dasa will give results,

 

[Prafulla] Well, Divisional charts has absolute necessity for dasha phal

interpretation. I am not an expert on dasha interpretation; but will touch an

interesting research in seperate thread on D charts method, when we will be

debating on Pradeep's case studies from his perspective.

 

>

> 4) Did that sage give an Additional Table (Chakra) to be followed while

> judging dasa results.

>

> These methods I have never seen anyone discuss on list, but if u quote

> that sage people will ridicule u, they will crucify u as they did to

> Late KP, Seshadiri Iyer, Gopal Meena Row - all of them giants at their

> time.

>

> I have realised to follow what Parasara said in Chapter 1, that in the

> next mail

>

 

Many of the jyotish students (like Auranjeb did) - did / do not want to see

beyond vedic science (I am touching a very controversial issue - and do not wish

to get into - it is just as an example) like everything, we see today must be

linked to vedic science (even computers, space units, TV etc - please do not

quote me that Sanjay in Mahabharat had TV like vision - so TV is also vedic !!).

Since I did not have opportunity to read many vedas / vedic science dictums /

sages (directly from their sanskrit) - my refrences here, may be a layman's mind

map.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

" Men who never get carried away should be. "

************************************************

[Guest guest]

Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Prafulla Bhai,

Very sorry for delay in my reply. Sunday is the day when i am out on

astro duties. There are too many mails now on the list so if i miss some

of ur or others mails pls forgive me though i will tyr not to.

 

My reply as [sunil]: in blue

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

> Many thanks for very interesting pointers / concerns. Please read my

reply underneath your comments.

>

> > We know nothing of what the ancients wrote is my conclusion.

> >

> > How many of us know which

> > 1) Sage advocated a different method of calculating the Antar

Dashas, if

> > we do not know that how do we know the different viewpoint. Was that

> > sage popular, yes he was?

>

>

> [Prafulla] Well, Indian Jyotish has been Guru-Sishya Parampara. It did

help to an extent - that sishya believed in their Guru with utmost good

faith and complete surrender. But when it carried its own pitfalls (

like any extreme applications). Many senior scholars and jyotish

historians expressed that - many of the sishya became intolerant to

other teachnings (like Mugal King Auranjeb) and they tried to elevate

their own Guru as the greatest. In the process at some stage of jyotish

evolution, Parashara also suffered from such classification. So while

evaluating Vimshottri Dasha, we never bothered to go beyond Sage

Parashara.

>

>

> Though the calculation method of antar dasa, he did not touch - but

the interpretation model did emphasise that there is much more to

Parashara in Jyotish.

 

 

[sunil]: So true, I see that u make great points Sir, the real secrets

of Vimshottari Dasa Parasara did not give and if we venture beyond him

to other sages we will find great clues on interpreting Vim dasa

> >

> > 2) Did that sage mention the Exact Method of how to use in

application

> > the Vim dasa method,

>

> [Prafulla] Well, you are very right. In his book Shambu Hora PraKASH,

Late Santhanam - has touched some of the dasa interpretation issues

(from different perspective). and If one can go through the case studies

in TOA issues, he has demonstrated the dasha phal interpretation from

the different perspective. Just as an example (referring from my memory)

- dhanu lagna - mercury / ketu rapt conj in lagna (please note that rahu

/ ketu both exalted and budha in own sign); shani / shukra in kumbha

(sukra exalted with rahu in navamsha - for the sake of clarity in 4th

bhava of navamsa). Now the lady suffered severally in mercury mahadasa

(but not in mercury antar dasha / ketu antar ..but in shukra and rahu

antar ..and more in rahu antar). The dasha phal is primarily nakshatra

progression and verbatim interpretation of parashara may fail severally

(as demonstrated in case study). Late Santhanam has asked this very

question in case study - why not ketu / mercury anatar went bad? and why

rahu anatar only? (and that too - not the entire anatar dasa - but a

specific phase).

>

> [sunil]: I am unable to follow Mer in Dhanu but how come in own sign.

> >

> > 3) Did he mention the use of 3 particular divisionals to judge how

the

> > dasa will give results,

>

> [Prafulla] Well, Divisional charts has absolute necessity for dasha

phal interpretation. I am not an expert on dasha interpretation; but

will touch an interesting research in seperate thread on D charts

method, when we will be debating on Pradeep's case studies from his

perspective.

> [sunil]: I wonder if we would see case studies since in the history of

Internet Jyotish what is the ratio of case studies vis a vis to theories

1:5000

 

> >

> > 4) Did that sage give an Additional Table (Chakra) to be followed

while

> > judging dasa results.

> >

> > These methods I have never seen anyone discuss on list, but if u

quote

> > that sage people will ridicule u, they will crucify u as they did to

> > Late KP, Seshadiri Iyer, Gopal Meena Row - all of them giants at

their

> > time.

> >

> > I have realised to follow what Parasara said in Chapter 1, that in

the

> > next mail

> >

>

> Many of the jyotish students (like Auranjeb did) - did / do not want

to see beyond vedic science (I am touching a very controversial issue -

and do not wish to get into - it is just as an example) like everything,

we see today must be linked to vedic science (even computers, space

units, TV etc - please do not quote me that Sanjay in Mahabharat had TV

like vision - so TV is also vedic !!). Since I did not have opportunity

to read many vedas / vedic science dictums / sages (directly from their

sanskrit) - my refrences here, may be a layman's mind map.

 

[sunil]: Sir, I feel those who cannot go beyond is one question, my

biggest contention is that is there anyone here on these lists who know

the science in totality. I quoted 150 books can quote 1500 in the next 2

mins but has anyone read them to say this is this or this is that. I

like humble people like u more than the ones who say this is this and

this is that.

 

best wishes

SJ

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> ************************************************

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

In the case study - I am sorry for typo - Mercury is in Dhanu - not in its sign.

 

Well, Knowledge base is our serious limitation in jyotish; we must acknowledge

it. Let me narrate it at all through a small story ; (astrologers are cats;

jyotish is the drink; tail is our research orientation / studies; head is our

jyotish itself)

 

 

There was this cat who loved to get drunk, who went to the bar on the other side

of the tracks.

He stayed all night long and got so wasted he could barely stand up, much less

walk.

 

The cat starts to stumble home, and when he came to the train tracks, he didn't

notice a train coming down the tracks.

 

As he started to cross the tracks, the train zoomed by, and cut off his tail.

The cat turned his head to see the damage, got his head stuck into the side of a

speeding box car, and is instantly decapitated.

 

The moral of the story ? don't lose your head over a piece of tail!

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Prafulla Bhai,

> Very sorry for delay in my reply. Sunday is the day when i am out on

> astro duties. There are too many mails now on the list so if i miss some

> of ur or others mails pls forgive me though i will tyr not to.

>

> My reply as [sunil]: in blue

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sunil John,

>>

>> Many thanks for very interesting pointers / concerns. Please read my

> reply underneath your comments.

>>

>>> We know nothing of what the ancients wrote is my conclusion.

>>>

>>> How many of us know which

>>> 1) Sage advocated a different method of calculating the Antar

> Dashas, if

>>> we do not know that how do we know the different viewpoint. Was that

>>> sage popular, yes he was?

>>

>>

>> [Prafulla] Well, Indian Jyotish has been Guru-Sishya Parampara. It did

> help to an extent - that sishya believed in their Guru with utmost good

> faith and complete surrender. But when it carried its own pitfalls (

> like any extreme applications). Many senior scholars and jyotish

> historians expressed that - many of the sishya became intolerant to

> other teachnings (like Mugal King Auranjeb) and they tried to elevate

> their own Guru as the greatest. In the process at some stage of jyotish

> evolution, Parashara also suffered from such classification. So while

> evaluating Vimshottri Dasha, we never bothered to go beyond Sage

> Parashara.

>>

>>

>> Though the calculation method of antar dasa, he did not touch - but

> the interpretation model did emphasise that there is much more to

> Parashara in Jyotish.

>

>

> [sunil]: So true, I see that u make great points Sir, the real secrets

> of Vimshottari Dasa Parasara did not give and if we venture beyond him

> to other sages we will find great clues on interpreting Vim dasa

>>>

>>> 2) Did that sage mention the Exact Method of how to use in

> application

>>> the Vim dasa method,

>>

>> [Prafulla] Well, you are very right. In his book Shambu Hora PraKASH,

> Late Santhanam - has touched some of the dasa interpretation issues

> (from different perspective). and If one can go through the case studies

> in TOA issues, he has demonstrated the dasha phal interpretation from

> the different perspective. Just as an example (referring from my memory)

> - dhanu lagna - mercury / ketu rapt conj in lagna (please note that rahu

> / ketu both exalted and budha in own sign); shani / shukra in kumbha

> (sukra exalted with rahu in navamsha - for the sake of clarity in 4th

> bhava of navamsa). Now the lady suffered severally in mercury mahadasa

> (but not in mercury antar dasha / ketu antar ..but in shukra and rahu

> antar ..and more in rahu antar). The dasha phal is primarily nakshatra

> progression and verbatim interpretation of parashara may fail severally

> (as demonstrated in case study). Late Santhanam has asked this very

> question in case study - why not ketu / mercury anatar went bad? and why

> rahu anatar only? (and that too - not the entire anatar dasa - but a

> specific phase).

>>

>> [sunil]: I am unable to follow Mer in Dhanu but how come in own sign.

>>>

>>> 3) Did he mention the use of 3 particular divisionals to judge how

> the

>>> dasa will give results,

>>

>> [Prafulla] Well, Divisional charts has absolute necessity for dasha

> phal interpretation. I am not an expert on dasha interpretation; but

> will touch an interesting research in seperate thread on D charts

> method, when we will be debating on Pradeep's case studies from his

> perspective.

>> [sunil]: I wonder if we would see case studies since in the history of

> Internet Jyotish what is the ratio of case studies vis a vis to theories

> 1:5000

>

>>>

>>> 4) Did that sage give an Additional Table (Chakra) to be followed

> while

>>> judging dasa results.

>>>

>>> These methods I have never seen anyone discuss on list, but if u

> quote

>>> that sage people will ridicule u, they will crucify u as they did to

>>> Late KP, Seshadiri Iyer, Gopal Meena Row - all of them giants at

> their

>>> time.

>>>

>>> I have realised to follow what Parasara said in Chapter 1, that in

> the

>>> next mail

>>>

>>

>> Many of the jyotish students (like Auranjeb did) - did / do not want

> to see beyond vedic science (I am touching a very controversial issue -

> and do not wish to get into - it is just as an example) like everything,

> we see today must be linked to vedic science (even computers, space

> units, TV etc - please do not quote me that Sanjay in Mahabharat had TV

> like vision - so TV is also vedic !!). Since I did not have opportunity

> to read many vedas / vedic science dictums / sages (directly from their

> sanskrit) - my refrences here, may be a layman's mind map.

>

> [sunil]: Sir, I feel those who cannot go beyond is one question, my

> biggest contention is that is there anyone here on these lists who know

> the science in totality. I quoted 150 books can quote 1500 in the next 2

> mins but has anyone read them to say this is this or this is that. I

> like humble people like u more than the ones who say this is this and

> this is that.

>

> best wishes

> SJ

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> http://www.prafulla.net

>>

>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

>> ************************************************

>>

>

>

>

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