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Dear Prafulla & Sushmita,

Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with authority,

it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and spending

few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to it. I for

one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

methods, what we can do is share experiences.

 

 

In one of my visit to KNRao last year, he gave me a googly re the

Divisionals controversy. I reproduce it below here the two charts given

by him, there could be slight error in the 2nd birth time as I am unable

to read my own scribbling but what he said is both the individuals born

in 2 different dates in 2 different cities have the same D1 chart.

Usually astrologers discuss the issue of divisionals with respect to

twins charts, here lets make life simpler by not putting charts of

twins.

 

I would never take this stance but lets do it if we are to understand

what they are trying to say ' I challenge anyone who does not believe in

divisionals the way KN Rao uses to predict for both charts. Infact I

extend this challenge to anyone who wishes to take it.

 

a) Their profession

b) Number of children

c) Did marriage happen in same month?

d) How many children and their sex

e) Wealth

 

Those who know the answer to this by hearing it from KNRs mouth may not

apply themselves.

Still I will use few more Bullet Charts and some Tank Charts that I will

present 9 for the 9 grahas and lets see prediction of those who know

astrology. And these charts are a collection where the topmost writers

in India have gone DRASTICALLY WRONG.

2 Charts Below

 

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

KNR Divisional Example 1

 

Natal Chart

 

October 12, 1955

Time: 10:55:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

Lucknow City, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

 

 

KNR Divisional Example 2

 

Natal Chart

 

October 13, 1955

Time: 10:20:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 75 E 51' 00 " , 30 N 54' 00 "

Ludhiana, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil John

 

> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with authority,

> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and spending

> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to it. I for

> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

 

[Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my enthusiasm also

suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories / commentaries often

led to contradictory opinions in cross references and seriously poor results -

if applied verbatim.

 

I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri Vijay

Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always insisted and

encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the charts (before we

can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I had opportunity to submit

lessons thread on System Astrology on the earlier jyotish list. and Shri Vijay

nagrecha is brilliant applicant of the jyotish dictums through observational

jyotish. Of course, with the time, both became friends.

 

So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on rebuilding

chart interpretation model through observational jyotish. But as you have

expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing fixing jyotish - but

fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have gone through personally) for

variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear factor (of failed prediction) - I

used to avoid predictions. No matter, what are my skill sets - but most

theorists fail to predict.

 

One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not connect to

parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always more reliable, than

most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not describe long theories /

explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver successful predicitons

(through their well built interpretation model).

 

Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods (not all mixed

jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) - which are like sure

shots.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

" Men who never get carried away should be. "

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Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Eminent Astrolgers

How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers have been

writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr Sunil John

had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an amateur

student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this and nobody

has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy mails of

shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why not a case

study ?

Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these wonderful

writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

Pranam

Swats

Namah Shivaya

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John

>

> > Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with authority,

> > it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and spending

> > few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to it. I for

> > one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

> > methods, what we can do is share experiences.

>

> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my enthusiasm

> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross references and

> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

>

> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri Vijay

> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always insisted

> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the charts

> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I had

> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the earlier

> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of the jyotish

> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time, both became

> friends.

>

> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on

> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational jyotish. But as

> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing fixing

> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have gone through

> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear factor (of

> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what are my

> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

>

> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not connect

> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always more

> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not describe long

> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver successful

> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

>

> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods (not all

> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) - which are like

> sure shots.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> ************************************************

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Swats,

 

I have already done good number of Blind charts

on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

 

Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

communicated what I had to.

 

In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

to enjoy predictive astrology.

 

a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

verificable details of prominent personalities

and their life stories and events with dates.

Then let each give his own interpretations, as

to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

to learn new approaches and various styles of

prognostications.

 

b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

queries. for instance-

1) What do you think this person is capable of

doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

or a business tycoon ? OR

2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

 

etc.etc.

 

Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

But the person posting this query should be very

wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

or dead.

 

I would not mind participating in these. And the

members participating should not turn personal

and respect each other while exchanging notes.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers have been

> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr Sunil

John

> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an

amateur

> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

and nobody

> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy mails of

> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why not a case

> study ?

> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these wonderful

> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

> Pranam

> Swats

> Namah Shivaya

On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil John

> >

> > > Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

authority,

> > > it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

spending

> > > few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

it. I for

> > > one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

> > > methods, what we can do is share experiences.

> >

> > [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

enthusiasm

> > also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> > commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

references and

> > seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

> >

> > I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

Vijay

> > Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

insisted

> > and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the charts

> > (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I had

> > opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

earlier

> > jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

the jyotish

> > dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

both became

> > friends.

> >

> > So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on

> > rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

jyotish. But as

> > you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

fixing

> > jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

gone through

> > personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

factor (of

> > failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what

are my

> > skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

> >

> > One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

connect

> > to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always more

> > reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

describe long

> > theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

successful

> > predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

> >

> > Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

(not all

> > mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

which are like

> > sure shots.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net

> >

> > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Swati,

 

Well correct issue.

 

The onus is on Shri Pradeep to justify predictive rationale of his new

interpretation - (contrary to the opinion of all the big names - Like BV Raman,

CS Patel, Santhanam, KN Rao, VK Choudhry, Sanjay Rath etc). Please note that -

all these experienced astrologers have proved their interpretation - through

huge case studies.

 

I am sure, an experienced astrologer like Shri Pradeep - will find time to read

charts posted by Shri Sunil John and enlighten us.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if the

initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that real

self-esteem is built on more substantial activities.

 

In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always

an easy sacrifice.

************************************************

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish

> Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:58:49 -0000

>

> Re: Divisionals 2/ Challenge to anyone

>

> Dear Swats,

>

> I have already done good number of Blind charts

> on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

> to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

>

> Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

> communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

> communicated what I had to.

>

> In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

> to enjoy predictive astrology.

>

> a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

> verificable details of prominent personalities

> and their life stories and events with dates.

> Then let each give his own interpretations, as

> to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

> to learn new approaches and various styles of

> prognostications.

>

> b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

> be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

> given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

> queries. for instance-

> 1) What do you think this person is capable of

> doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

> or a business tycoon ? OR

> 2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

> 3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

>

> etc.etc.

>

> Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

> But the person posting this query should be very

> wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

> no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

> or dead.

>

> I would not mind participating in these. And the

> members participating should not turn personal

> and respect each other while exchanging notes.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " healing spaces "

> <healingspaces wrote:

>>

>> Hare Rama Krsna

>> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

>> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers have been

>> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr Sunil

> John

>> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an

> amateur

>> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

> and nobody

>> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy mails of

>> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why not a case

>> study ?

>> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these wonderful

>> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

>> Pranam

>> Swats

>> Namah Shivaya

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Sunil John

>>>

>>>> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

> authority,

>>>> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

> spending

>>>> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

> it. I for

>>>> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

>>>> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

>>>

>>> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

> enthusiasm

>>> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

>>> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

> references and

>>> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

>>>

>>> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

> Vijay

>>> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

> insisted

>>> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the charts

>>> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I had

>>> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

> earlier

>>> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

> the jyotish

>>> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

> both became

>>> friends.

>>>

>>> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on

>>> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

> jyotish. But as

>>> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

> fixing

>>> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

> gone through

>>> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

> factor (of

>>> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what

> are my

>>> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

>>>

>>> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

> connect

>>> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always more

>>> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

> describe long

>>> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

> successful

>>> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

>>>

>>> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

> (not all

>>> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

> which are like

>>> sure shots.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>> http://www.prafulla.net

>>>

>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

>>> ************************************************

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

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Dear Prafullaji and Bhaskarji,

1. The onus is on all astrolgers and not only on Pradeep ji. he may predict

according to his point of view while others with their point of view.

Research and methods have to be integrated and reaffirmed through different

amsa charts or methods ( whether it be nadi, jamini, KP or KAS). What is the

point of this forum of astrolgers if OUR ego comes in way of putting wrong

predictions . We can only learn through mistakes and first of all by

learning to take challenges.

2. Bhaskarji i know u do a lot of predictive astrology and lot of blind

charts with many methods, thats why sometimes your language doesn't bother

me ,( which it should ). I have always respected you for some of your

writings and predictions. the day u leave some part of the language and

don't get hassled and write more chart analysis and writings, it shall be

great!

As for famous people, charts we cant always be reliable. And lets take a

commom selves from the streets.

3. Tarun, dear lets concentrate on few charts of unknowns. Than you shall

get into getting readings and discussion may loose focus.

4. All others members and scholars should do some case studies. It is a

great calling to start from two charts posted!

5. Once the predictive part is done these charts can be taken up for

different interpretations of shlokas.

Thanks

Swati

As for what i think of rashi chakra and navamsa chakra. EACH ONE IS AS REAL

AS IT IS IMAGINARY.

and each one is a WHOLE in itself and can only have a change of degree of

focus. Nothing can ever be a part, as each part contains the whole

information . What can only change is what comes easier to human eye to

perceive it as actual or virtual( For some astrolgers only D-60 may be

sufficient , but it is precision of birth time that is lacking). Anyways

this will require some years for me to refine and put it in best fashion and

apply in my work and thinking ! be it in design architecture or astrology.!

Thanks

Swats

 

 

 

On 7/9/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Swati,

>

> Well correct issue.

>

> The onus is on Shri Pradeep to justify predictive rationale of his new

> interpretation - (contrary to the opinion of all the big names - Like BV

> Raman, CS Patel, Santhanam, KN Rao, VK Choudhry, Sanjay Rath etc). Please

> note that - all these experienced astrologers have proved their

> interpretation - through huge case studies.

>

> I am sure, an experienced astrologer like Shri Pradeep - will find time to

> read charts posted by Shri Sunil John and enlighten us.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask yourself if

> the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind yourself that

> real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities.

>

> In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It is not

> always an easy sacrifice.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

> > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:58:49 -0000

> > <%40>

> > Re: Divisionals 2/ Challenge to anyone

> >

> > Dear Swats,

> >

> > I have already done good number of Blind charts

> > on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

> > to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

> >

> > Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

> > communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

> > communicated what I had to.

> >

> > In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

> > to enjoy predictive astrology.

> >

> > a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

> > verificable details of prominent personalities

> > and their life stories and events with dates.

> > Then let each give his own interpretations, as

> > to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

> > to learn new approaches and various styles of

> > prognostications.

> >

> > b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

> > be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

> > given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

> > queries. for instance-

> > 1) What do you think this person is capable of

> > doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

> > or a business tycoon ? OR

> > 2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

> > 3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

> >

> > etc.etc.

> >

> > Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

> > But the person posting this query should be very

> > wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

> > no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

> > or dead.

> >

> > I would not mind participating in these. And the

> > members participating should not turn personal

> > and respect each other while exchanging notes.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> " healing spaces "

> > <healingspaces wrote:

> >>

> >> Hare Rama Krsna

> >> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

> >> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers have been

> >> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr Sunil

> > John

> >> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an

> > amateur

> >> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

> > and nobody

> >> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy mails of

> >> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why not a case

> >> study ?

> >> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these wonderful

> >> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

> >> Pranam

> >> Swats

> >> Namah Shivaya

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Dear Sunil John

> >>>

> >>>> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

> > authority,

> >>>> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

> > spending

> >>>> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

> > it. I for

> >>>> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

> >>>> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

> >>>

> >>> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

> > enthusiasm

> >>> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> >>> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

> > references and

> >>> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

> >>>

> >>> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

> > Vijay

> >>> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

> > insisted

> >>> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the charts

> >>> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I had

> >>> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

> > earlier

> >>> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

> > the jyotish

> >>> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

> > both became

> >>> friends.

> >>>

> >>> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on

> >>> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

> > jyotish. But as

> >>> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

> > fixing

> >>> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

> > gone through

> >>> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

> > factor (of

> >>> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what

> > are my

> >>> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

> >>>

> >>> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

> > connect

> >>> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always more

> >>> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

> > describe long

> >>> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

> > successful

> >>> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

> >>>

> >>> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

> > (not all

> >>> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

> > which are like

> >>> sure shots.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> >>>

> >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> >>> ************************************************

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Dear Swati,

 

No - let us understand the facts:

 

Pradeep is submitting another perspective on varga charts (contrary to

shri Kn Rao, Shri Bv Raman, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri Vk Choudhry, Shri

CS patel, Shri Santhanam etc). What I / most members have requested

him to produce case studies to prove its application. What we are

talking need not be proved, as they are evidently available in the

books and reading models of all these above name astrologers.

 

The onus will always be on the astrologers - who are putting new

interpretations.

 

Let me give you another examples - KAS, SA, Kp etc were produced (or

reproduced) with the case studies. They did not ask other astrologers

to disapprove their points. Likewise, if KN rao has produced the

interpretation model of D charts, then he did produce the application

in case studies. It can never be other way around.

 

So let Shri Pradeep produce his predictive model. He has mentioned on

another thread that, he predicts with that. So let Sunil John or

other's case charts be a challenge for him to put forth his

interpretation model. and I am sure, we will all benefit.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Dear Prafullaji and Bhaskarji,

> 1. The onus is on all astrolgers and not only on Pradeep ji. he may

predict

> according to his point of view while others with their point of view.

> Research and methods have to be integrated and reaffirmed through

different

> amsa charts or methods ( whether it be nadi, jamini, KP or KAS).

What is the

> point of this forum of astrolgers if OUR ego comes in way of putting

wrong

> predictions . We can only learn through mistakes and first of all by

> learning to take challenges.

> 2. Bhaskarji i know u do a lot of predictive astrology and lot of blind

> charts with many methods, thats why sometimes your language doesn't

bother

> me ,( which it should ). I have always respected you for some of your

> writings and predictions. the day u leave some part of the language and

> don't get hassled and write more chart analysis and writings, it

shall be

> great!

> As for famous people, charts we cant always be reliable. And lets take a

> commom selves from the streets.

> 3. Tarun, dear lets concentrate on few charts of unknowns. Than you

shall

> get into getting readings and discussion may loose focus.

> 4. All others members and scholars should do some case studies. It is a

> great calling to start from two charts posted!

> 5. Once the predictive part is done these charts can be taken up for

> different interpretations of shlokas.

> Thanks

> Swati

> As for what i think of rashi chakra and navamsa chakra. EACH ONE IS

AS REAL

> AS IT IS IMAGINARY.

> and each one is a WHOLE in itself and can only have a change of

degree of

> focus. Nothing can ever be a part, as each part contains the whole

> information . What can only change is what comes easier to human eye to

> perceive it as actual or virtual( For some astrolgers only D-60 may be

> sufficient , but it is precision of birth time that is lacking). Anyways

> this will require some years for me to refine and put it in best

fashion and

> apply in my work and thinking ! be it in design architecture or

astrology.!

> Thanks

> Swats

>

>

>

> On 7/9/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swati,

> >

> > Well correct issue.

> >

> > The onus is on Shri Pradeep to justify predictive rationale of his new

> > interpretation - (contrary to the opinion of all the big names -

Like BV

> > Raman, CS Patel, Santhanam, KN Rao, VK Choudhry, Sanjay Rath etc).

Please

> > note that - all these experienced astrologers have proved their

> > interpretation - through huge case studies.

> >

> > I am sure, an experienced astrologer like Shri Pradeep - will find

time to

> > read charts posted by Shri Sunil John and enlighten us.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net

> >

> > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask

yourself if

> > the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind

yourself that

> > real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities.

> >

> > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It

is not

> > always an easy sacrifice.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

> > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:58:49 -0000

> > > <%40>

> > > Re: Divisionals 2/ Challenge to anyone

> > >

> > > Dear Swats,

> > >

> > > I have already done good number of Blind charts

> > > on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

> > > to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

> > >

> > > Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

> > > communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

> > > communicated what I had to.

> > >

> > > In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

> > > to enjoy predictive astrology.

> > >

> > > a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

> > > verificable details of prominent personalities

> > > and their life stories and events with dates.

> > > Then let each give his own interpretations, as

> > > to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

> > > to learn new approaches and various styles of

> > > prognostications.

> > >

> > > b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

> > > be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

> > > given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

> > > queries. for instance-

> > > 1) What do you think this person is capable of

> > > doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

> > > or a business tycoon ? OR

> > > 2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

> > > 3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

> > >

> > > etc.etc.

> > >

> > > Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

> > > But the person posting this query should be very

> > > wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

> > > no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

> > > or dead.

> > >

> > > I would not mind participating in these. And the

> > > members participating should not turn personal

> > > and respect each other while exchanging notes.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > " healing spaces "

> > > <healingspaces@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Hare Rama Krsna

> > >> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

> > >> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers

have been

> > >> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr

Sunil

> > > John

> > >> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an

> > > amateur

> > >> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

> > > and nobody

> > >> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy

mails of

> > >> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why

not a case

> > >> study ?

> > >> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these

wonderful

> > >> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

> > >> Pranam

> > >> Swats

> > >> Namah Shivaya

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Sunil John

> > >>>

> > >>>> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

> > > authority,

> > >>>> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

> > > spending

> > >>>> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

> > > it. I for

> > >>>> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to

discuss

> > >>>> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

> > >>>

> > >>> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

> > > enthusiasm

> > >>> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> > >>> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

> > > references and

> > >>> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

> > >>>

> > >>> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

> > > Vijay

> > >>> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

> > > insisted

> > >>> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over

the charts

> > >>> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy,

I had

> > >>> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

> > > earlier

> > >>> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

> > > the jyotish

> > >>> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

> > > both became

> > >>> friends.

> > >>>

> > >>> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and

keep on

> > >>> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

> > > jyotish. But as

> > >>> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

> > > fixing

> > >>> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

> > > gone through

> > >>> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

> > > factor (of

> > >>> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what

> > > are my

> > >>> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

> > >>>

> > >>> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

> > > connect

> > >>> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are

always more

> > >>> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

> > > describe long

> > >>> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

> > > successful

> > >>> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

> > >>>

> > >>> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

> > > (not all

> > >>> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

> > > which are like

> > >>> sure shots.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > >>>

> > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > >>> ************************************************

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Dear Prafulla ji

 

What Swati perhaps has indicated is that any theory can either be proved if

correct or disproved if totally incorrect. In either case the case study is the

only method. Contradiction in the theory can also be found and indicated by

applying the theory and finding it not coming true in appropriately selected

case study.

 

The onus therefore is also on the ones who do not agree to one theory or

viewpoint.

 

Thanka and regards

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

 

Dear Swati,

 

No - let us understand the facts:

 

Pradeep is submitting another perspective on varga charts (contrary to

shri Kn Rao, Shri Bv Raman, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri Vk Choudhry, Shri

CS patel, Shri Santhanam etc). What I / most members have requested

him to produce case studies to prove its application. What we are

talking need not be proved, as they are evidently available in the

books and reading models of all these above name astrologers.

 

The onus will always be on the astrologers - who are putting new

interpretations.

 

Let me give you another examples - KAS, SA, Kp etc were produced (or

reproduced) with the case studies. They did not ask other astrologers

to disapprove their points. Likewise, if KN rao has produced the

interpretation model of D charts, then he did produce the application

in case studies. It can never be other way around.

 

So let Shri Pradeep produce his predictive model. He has mentioned on

another thread that, he predicts with that. So let Sunil John or

other's case charts be a challenge for him to put forth his

interpretation model. and I am sure, we will all benefit.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Dear Prafullaji and Bhaskarji,

> 1. The onus is on all astrolgers and not only on Pradeep ji. he may

predict

> according to his point of view while others with their point of view.

> Research and methods have to be integrated and reaffirmed through

different

> amsa charts or methods ( whether it be nadi, jamini, KP or KAS).

What is the

> point of this forum of astrolgers if OUR ego comes in way of putting

wrong

> predictions . We can only learn through mistakes and first of all by

> learning to take challenges.

> 2. Bhaskarji i know u do a lot of predictive astrology and lot of blind

> charts with many methods, thats why sometimes your language doesn't

bother

> me ,( which it should ). I have always respected you for some of your

> writings and predictions. the day u leave some part of the language and

> don't get hassled and write more chart analysis and writings, it

shall be

> great!

> As for famous people, charts we cant always be reliable. And lets take a

> commom selves from the streets.

> 3. Tarun, dear lets concentrate on few charts of unknowns. Than you

shall

> get into getting readings and discussion may loose focus.

> 4. All others members and scholars should do some case studies. It is a

> great calling to start from two charts posted!

> 5. Once the predictive part is done these charts can be taken up for

> different interpretations of shlokas.

> Thanks

> Swati

> As for what i think of rashi chakra and navamsa chakra. EACH ONE IS

AS REAL

> AS IT IS IMAGINARY.

> and each one is a WHOLE in itself and can only have a change of

degree of

> focus. Nothing can ever be a part, as each part contains the whole

> information . What can only change is what comes easier to human eye to

> perceive it as actual or virtual( For some astrolgers only D-60 may be

> sufficient , but it is precision of birth time that is lacking). Anyways

> this will require some years for me to refine and put it in best

fashion and

> apply in my work and thinking ! be it in design architecture or

astrology.!

> Thanks

> Swats

>

>

>

> On 7/9/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swati,

> >

> > Well correct issue.

> >

> > The onus is on Shri Pradeep to justify predictive rationale of his new

> > interpretation - (contrary to the opinion of all the big names -

Like BV

> > Raman, CS Patel, Santhanam, KN Rao, VK Choudhry, Sanjay Rath etc).

Please

> > note that - all these experienced astrologers have proved their

> > interpretation - through huge case studies.

> >

> > I am sure, an experienced astrologer like Shri Pradeep - will find

time to

> > read charts posted by Shri Sunil John and enlighten us.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net

> >

> > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask

yourself if

> > the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind

yourself that

> > real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities.

> >

> > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It

is not

> > always an easy sacrifice.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

> > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:58:49 -0000

> > > <%40>

> > > Re: Divisionals 2/ Challenge to anyone

> > >

> > > Dear Swats,

> > >

> > > I have already done good number of Blind charts

> > > on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

> > > to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

> > >

> > > Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

> > > communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

> > > communicated what I had to.

> > >

> > > In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

> > > to enjoy predictive astrology.

> > >

> > > a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

> > > verificable details of prominent personalities

> > > and their life stories and events with dates.

> > > Then let each give his own interpretations, as

> > > to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

> > > to learn new approaches and various styles of

> > > prognostications.

> > >

> > > b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

> > > be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

> > > given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

> > > queries. for instance-

> > > 1) What do you think this person is capable of

> > > doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

> > > or a business tycoon ? OR

> > > 2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

> > > 3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

> > >

> > > etc.etc.

> > >

> > > Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

> > > But the person posting this query should be very

> > > wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

> > > no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

> > > or dead.

> > >

> > > I would not mind participating in these. And the

> > > members participating should not turn personal

> > > and respect each other while exchanging notes.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > " healing spaces "

> > > <healingspaces@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Hare Rama Krsna

> > >> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

> > >> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers

have been

> > >> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr

Sunil

> > > John

> > >> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who is an

> > > amateur

> > >> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

> > > and nobody

> > >> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy

mails of

> > >> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why

not a case

> > >> study ?

> > >> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these

wonderful

> > >> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

> > >> Pranam

> > >> Swats

> > >> Namah Shivaya

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Sunil John

> > >>>

> > >>>> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

> > > authority,

> > >>>> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

> > > spending

> > >>>> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

> > > it. I for

> > >>>> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to

discuss

> > >>>> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

> > >>>

> > >>> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

> > > enthusiasm

> > >>> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> > >>> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

> > > references and

> > >>> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

> > >>>

> > >>> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

> > > Vijay

> > >>> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

> > > insisted

> > >>> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over

the charts

> > >>> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy,

I had

> > >>> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

> > > earlier

> > >>> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

> > > the jyotish

> > >>> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

> > > both became

> > >>> friends.

> > >>>

> > >>> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and

keep on

> > >>> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

> > > jyotish. But as

> > >>> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

> > > fixing

> > >>> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

> > > gone through

> > >>> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

> > > factor (of

> > >>> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter, what

> > > are my

> > >>> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

> > >>>

> > >>> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

> > > connect

> > >>> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are

always more

> > >>> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

> > > describe long

> > >>> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

> > > successful

> > >>> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

> > >>>

> > >>> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

> > > (not all

> > >>> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

> > > which are like

> > >>> sure shots.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > >>>

> > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > >>> ************************************************

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Dear Shri Dwivedi ji

 

Until now - most jyotish scholars have demonstrated that:

 

a. The Navamsa chart and other D chart exists

b. The D charts can be interpreted like we do Rasi Chart

c. The yogas, aspects, transits etc can be referred from Navamsa chart

 

Shri Pradeep ji has contested all above three (contrary to the views

of Shri KN Rao, Shri Sanjay rath, Shri Santhanam, Shri CS Patel, Shri

BV Raman etc) - so that is why I feel onus is on him to prove that

they have committed blunder. As you rightly said - this can be done

only through case studies.

 

Hope this clarifies the need for Shri Pradeep to prove - not all.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

, Krishna Chandra Dwivedi

<kcdd8 wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla ji

>

> What Swati perhaps has indicated is that any theory can either be

proved if correct or disproved if totally incorrect. In either case

the case study is the only method. Contradiction in the theory can

also be found and indicated by applying the theory and finding it not

coming true in appropriately selected case study.

>

> The onus therefore is also on the ones who do not agree to one

theory or viewpoint.

>

> Thanka and regards

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Swati,

>

> No - let us understand the facts:

>

> Pradeep is submitting another perspective on varga charts (contrary to

> shri Kn Rao, Shri Bv Raman, Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri Vk Choudhry, Shri

> CS patel, Shri Santhanam etc). What I / most members have requested

> him to produce case studies to prove its application. What we are

> talking need not be proved, as they are evidently available in the

> books and reading models of all these above name astrologers.

>

> The onus will always be on the astrologers - who are putting new

> interpretations.

>

> Let me give you another examples - KAS, SA, Kp etc were produced (or

> reproduced) with the case studies. They did not ask other astrologers

> to disapprove their points. Likewise, if KN rao has produced the

> interpretation model of D charts, then he did produce the application

> in case studies. It can never be other way around.

>

> So let Shri Pradeep produce his predictive model. He has mentioned on

> another thread that, he predicts with that. So let Sunil John or

> other's case charts be a challenge for him to put forth his

> interpretation model. and I am sure, we will all benefit.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " healing spaces "

> <healingspaces@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prafullaji and Bhaskarji,

> > 1. The onus is on all astrolgers and not only on Pradeep ji. he may

> predict

> > according to his point of view while others with their point of view.

> > Research and methods have to be integrated and reaffirmed through

> different

> > amsa charts or methods ( whether it be nadi, jamini, KP or KAS).

> What is the

> > point of this forum of astrolgers if OUR ego comes in way of putting

> wrong

> > predictions . We can only learn through mistakes and first of all by

> > learning to take challenges.

> > 2. Bhaskarji i know u do a lot of predictive astrology and lot of

blind

> > charts with many methods, thats why sometimes your language doesn't

> bother

> > me ,( which it should ). I have always respected you for some of your

> > writings and predictions. the day u leave some part of the

language and

> > don't get hassled and write more chart analysis and writings, it

> shall be

> > great!

> > As for famous people, charts we cant always be reliable. And lets

take a

> > commom selves from the streets.

> > 3. Tarun, dear lets concentrate on few charts of unknowns. Than you

> shall

> > get into getting readings and discussion may loose focus.

> > 4. All others members and scholars should do some case studies. It

is a

> > great calling to start from two charts posted!

> > 5. Once the predictive part is done these charts can be taken up for

> > different interpretations of shlokas.

> > Thanks

> > Swati

> > As for what i think of rashi chakra and navamsa chakra. EACH ONE IS

> AS REAL

> > AS IT IS IMAGINARY.

> > and each one is a WHOLE in itself and can only have a change of

> degree of

> > focus. Nothing can ever be a part, as each part contains the whole

> > information . What can only change is what comes easier to human

eye to

> > perceive it as actual or virtual( For some astrolgers only D-60 may be

> > sufficient , but it is precision of birth time that is lacking).

Anyways

> > this will require some years for me to refine and put it in best

> fashion and

> > apply in my work and thinking ! be it in design architecture or

> astrology.!

> > Thanks

> > Swats

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/9/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Swati,

> > >

> > > Well correct issue.

> > >

> > > The onus is on Shri Pradeep to justify predictive rationale of

his new

> > > interpretation - (contrary to the opinion of all the big names -

> Like BV

> > > Raman, CS Patel, Santhanam, KN Rao, VK Choudhry, Sanjay Rath etc).

> Please

> > > note that - all these experienced astrologers have proved their

> > > interpretation - through huge case studies.

> > >

> > > I am sure, an experienced astrologer like Shri Pradeep - will find

> time to

> > > read charts posted by Shri Sunil John and enlighten us.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > >

> > > A little boost to the ego is undeniably exhilarating, but ask

> yourself if

> > > the initial excitement is worth the spiritual hangover. Remind

> yourself that

> > > real self-esteem is built on more substantial activities.

> > >

> > > In order to live free and happily - you must sacrifice boredom. It

> is not

> > > always an easy sacrifice.

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

> > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:58:49 -0000

> > > > <%40>

> > > > Re: Divisionals 2/ Challenge to anyone

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swats,

> > > >

> > > > I have already done good number of Blind charts

> > > > on certain Forums, but stopped subsequently due

> > > > to various reasons,which we need not go into now.

> > > >

> > > > Regards to the present 2 charts, I have already

> > > > communicated with Shri Sunil John, and

> > > > communicated what I had to.

> > > >

> > > > In the meanwhile we have 2 options for the future

> > > > to enjoy predictive astrology.

> > > >

> > > > a) Post martem- Let someone give us authentic

> > > > verificable details of prominent personalities

> > > > and their life stories and events with dates.

> > > > Then let each give his own interpretations, as

> > > > to why ,what happened when . That way we all get

> > > > to learn new approaches and various styles of

> > > > prognostications.

> > > >

> > > > b) Give us a authenic birth detail, which can

> > > > be verified subsequently on 2-3 websites as rightly

> > > > given (After the quiz is over), and ask us straight

> > > > queries. for instance-

> > > > 1) What do you think this person is capable of

> > > > doing professionaly, can he be a singer,politician

> > > > or a business tycoon ? OR

> > > > 2) what is the financial position of this native? OR

> > > > 3) What is the probable date of marriage of this native ?

> > > >

> > > > etc.etc.

> > > >

> > > > Such type of queries, would be most welcome.

> > > > But the person posting this query should be very

> > > > wise in putting the query, it should be straight,

> > > > no ambiguty, and about prominent personalities alive

> > > > or dead.

> > > >

> > > > I would not mind participating in these. And the

> > > > members participating should not turn personal

> > > > and respect each other while exchanging notes.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > " healing spaces "

> > > > <healingspaces@> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Hare Rama Krsna

> > > >> Dear Eminent Astrolgers

> > > >> How come nobody of you experienced and well read astrologers

> have been

> > > >> writing long mails, and none of you have replied two charts Mr

> Sunil

> > > > John

> > > >> had posted for case study . It comes as rare shock for me who

is an

> > > > amateur

> > > >> student , as it has already been two days that he had posted this

> > > > and nobody

> > > >> has even tried to read the chart. I have been seeing lengthy

> mails of

> > > >> shlokas,interpretations, crticism, personal remarks, but why

> not a case

> > > >> study ?

> > > >> Thanks and hoping some case studies are thrown in all these

> wonderful

> > > >> writings which are an asset to a silent reader like me.

> > > >> Pranam

> > > >> Swats

> > > >> Namah Shivaya

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> On 7/8/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Sunil John

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

> > > > authority,

> > > >>>> it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

> > > > spending

> > > >>>> few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to

> > > > it. I for

> > > >>>> one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to

> discuss

> > > >>>> methods, what we can do is share experiences.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

> > > > enthusiasm

> > > >>> also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading theories /

> > > >>> commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

> > > > references and

> > > >>> seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma

and Shri

> > > > Vijay

> > > >>> Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

> > > > insisted

> > > >>> and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over

> the charts

> > > >>> (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy,

> I had

> > > >>> opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

> > > > earlier

> > > >>> jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

> > > > the jyotish

> > > >>> dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the time,

> > > > both became

> > > >>> friends.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and

> keep on

> > > >>> rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational

> > > > jyotish. But as

> > > >>> you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in

doing

> > > > fixing

> > > >>> jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

> > > > gone through

> > > >>> personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the fear

> > > > factor (of

> > > >>> failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No matter,

what

> > > > are my

> > > >>> skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

> > > > connect

> > > >>> to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are

> always more

> > > >>> reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

> > > > describe long

> > > >>> theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they deliver

> > > > successful

> > > >>> predicitons (through their well built interpretation model).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods

> > > > (not all

> > > >>> mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) -

> > > > which are like

> > > >>> sure shots.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >>>

> > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>> ************************************************

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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Namaste Sunil

Let me be the first one to attempt the same. Coming from Sri K N Rao itself,

it is an honor to attempt these charts. I do not care if I am 100% wrong as

it would a nice learning experience. As you are aware, I have not met Sri K

N Rao ever, so do not know about this puzzle or its answers.

 

 

a) Their profession

Chart 1 (Lucknow Born): Surya Related with effect of Mars: Administrative

Services, Government Related work with Agricultural Income too, Can be a Tax

Auditor in Government, Politician. He can be a high ranking Military

Officer. I am more interested in checking if I got the ruling graha right

for Profession.

 

Chart 2 (Ludhiana Born): Mars-Mercury related work. In Engineering field, or

Engineering Trade, Industry

 

b) Number of children d) How many children and their sex

>

 

 

 

Joining similar questions together here:

 

Chart 1: 4 children

1. Boy, 2. Girl (would have been saved through prayers), 3. Girl 4. Boy

 

Chart 2: 2 Children

1. Child aborted or misscarriage (unless remedies performed) 2. Girl 3. Girl

Looks like 2 are surviving unless prayers were performed.

 

 

e) Wealth

 

Chart 1: Abundance of Wealth. A lot of wealth coming from one's own

efforts.

Chart 2: Moderate wealth and income: Enough to support but not abundant.

 

 

c) Did marriage happen in same month?

I am not quite sure what is being asked in this question.

 

I have used Sri Iyer's method in the above. Any mistakes in analysis are my

responsibility and not Sri Iyer's. I hope these charts are discussed more

and we get to know the answers too.

 

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

c) Did marriage happen in same month?

>

> e) Wealth

>

>

> KNR Divisional Example 1

>

> Natal Chart

>

> October 12, 1955

> Time: 10:55:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> Lucknow City, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> KNR Divisional Example 2

>

> Natal Chart

>

> October 13, 1955

> Time: 10:20:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 75 E 51' 00 " , 30 N 54' 00 "

> Ludhiana, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

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Hello,

 

The point can never be proven with quizzes, or known

events. The people who have propogated D-charts, and

numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any event

can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in from

probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

will be capable of giving a result.

 

Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a practicing

astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

with so many parameters that he can never predict. So

he uses time tested parameters, which are Main rashi

chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd is

FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

parashari is a must).

 

The person who proposed system's approach has

simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at the

main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

question, not his books.

 

The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a quiz

there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is in

predicting an event which has not a obvious or

statistically overwhelming support or conventional

wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted that

Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious and

anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict these

things. So a prediction should be on something which

is difficult for people who do not know astrology to

predict.

 

anyway.

 

Satish

--- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

 

 

 

 

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The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator, and the quiz in

question had no options : it was not a multiple choice set up and no

hints at all were given. The nature of the event was such that it

could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is successful in

answering would be in actuality making a prediction on a blind chart,

not justifying a known event. So a successful attempt at a blind quiz

with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology remains

technically the same.

 

I agree that too many parameters can be confusing, but what is the

complexity in applying the same set of parameters (placements,

aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to divisional

charts? The principles and application remains the same but the

kshetra changes.

 

ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits and the rasi

framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It zooms in on a year

and enables a composite prediction and saves the efforts of going

deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily transits. Surely such a

method is invaluable? Please apply the core principles to ATP on

several charts and make your own judgements.

 

 

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> The point can never be proven with quizzes, or known

> events. The people who have propogated D-charts, and

> numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any event

> can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in from

> probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> will be capable of giving a result.

>

> Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a practicing

> astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> with so many parameters that he can never predict. So

> he uses time tested parameters, which are Main rashi

> chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd is

> FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> parashari is a must).

>

> The person who proposed system's approach has

> simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at the

> main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> question, not his books.

>

> The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a quiz

> there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is in

> predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted that

> Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious and

> anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict these

> things. So a prediction should be on something which

> is difficult for people who do not know astrology to

> predict.

>

> anyway.

>

> Satish

> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello,

 

Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

trek.

 

Satish

--- atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

 

>

> The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> and the quiz in

> question had no options : it was not a multiple

> choice set up and no

> hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> such that it

> could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> successful in

> answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> on a blind chart,

> not justifying a known event. So a successful

> attempt at a blind quiz

> with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> remains

> technically the same.

>

> I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> but what is the

> complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> (placements,

> aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> divisional

> charts? The principles and application remains the

> same but the

> kshetra changes.

>

> ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> and the rasi

> framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> zooms in on a year

> and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> efforts of going

> deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> transits. Surely such a

> method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> principles to ATP on

> several charts and make your own judgements.

>

>

>

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> known

> > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> and

> > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> event

> > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> from

> > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > will be capable of giving a result.

> >

> > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> practicing

> > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> So

> > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> rashi

> > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> is

> > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > parashari is a must).

> >

> > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> the

> > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > question, not his books.

> >

> > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> quiz

> > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> in

> > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> that

> > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> and

> > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> these

> > things. So a prediction should be on something

> which

> > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> to

> > predict.

> >

> > anyway.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> alternative

> vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center.

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> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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ATP chart(s) can be used in place of the original rasi framework as

the ATP is representative of the rasi and transits, merged into an

annual snapshot.

 

So parameters: placements, aspects, lordships, bhavat bhavam,

karakatwas remain as they are. And so does the number of charts if

ATP is alone referred to (as in most cases). Simple case of

substitution. Just a model replacement that is underpinned by the

original framework.

 

Thus same parameters, same technique. Limitations arise from an

unwillingness to explore and apply methods to practical charts.

 

Jyotish can be expressed in any manner as long as the goal of

prediction is satisfied as it is essentially an art. Some will

express Jyoitsh with a firm adherence to rasi (those with a strong

Saturn) enjoying the patient, laborious approach. While others (those

with strong Mercury/ Gemini influence will prefer to use an array of

methods. A strong Venus-influenced Jyotishi would express this art

with creative approaches and maybe even uncover new methods (or use

planets from Star Trek!). Thus the inherent inclinations of all are

catered for. Let's not restrict, oversimplify and constrain this

great art.

 

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

> nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

> One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

> surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

> trek.

>

> Satish

> --- atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> >

> > The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> > and the quiz in

> > question had no options : it was not a multiple

> > choice set up and no

> > hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> > such that it

> > could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> > successful in

> > answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> > on a blind chart,

> > not justifying a known event. So a successful

> > attempt at a blind quiz

> > with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> > remains

> > technically the same.

> >

> > I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> > but what is the

> > complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> > (placements,

> > aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> > divisional

> > charts? The principles and application remains the

> > same but the

> > kshetra changes.

> >

> > ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> > and the rasi

> > framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> > zooms in on a year

> > and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> > efforts of going

> > deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> > transits. Surely such a

> > method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> > principles to ATP on

> > several charts and make your own judgements.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> > known

> > > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> > and

> > > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> > event

> > > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> > from

> > > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > > will be capable of giving a result.

> > >

> > > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> > practicing

> > > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> > So

> > > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> > rashi

> > > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> > is

> > > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > > parashari is a must).

> > >

> > > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> > the

> > > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > > question, not his books.

> > >

> > > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> > quiz

> > > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> > in

> > > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> > that

> > > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> > and

> > > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> > these

> > > things. So a prediction should be on something

> > which

> > > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> > to

> > > predict.

> > >

> > > anyway.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> >

> >

> >

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What do You mean by ATP ?

Please esplain by example chart ?

We had enough of nonsense of theories which can be put

here by all the members from reading books.

We need practical examples and supported logical evidence

by application of astrological principles.

Put these. and talk.

No other rubbish talks are neccissitated by the members.

 

Theories with examples and the ,logical application

of principles,which have been time tested on 500 charts

if not thousand, is the demand of the hour.

No new theories or tyring to espose any further

intelligence unsupported.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> ATP chart(s) can be used in place of the original rasi framework as

> the ATP is representative of the rasi and transits, merged into an

> annual snapshot.

>

> So parameters: placements, aspects, lordships, bhavat bhavam,

> karakatwas remain as they are. And so does the number of charts if

> ATP is alone referred to (as in most cases). Simple case of

> substitution. Just a model replacement that is underpinned by the

> original framework.

>

> Thus same parameters, same technique. Limitations arise from an

> unwillingness to explore and apply methods to practical charts.

>

> Jyotish can be expressed in any manner as long as the goal of

> prediction is satisfied as it is essentially an art. Some will

> express Jyoitsh with a firm adherence to rasi (those with a strong

> Saturn) enjoying the patient, laborious approach. While others (those

> with strong Mercury/ Gemini influence will prefer to use an array of

> methods. A strong Venus-influenced Jyotishi would express this art

> with creative approaches and maybe even uncover new methods (or use

> planets from Star Trek!). Thus the inherent inclinations of all are

> catered for. Let's not restrict, oversimplify and constrain this

> great art.

>

>

>

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

> > nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

> > One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

> > surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

> > trek.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> > > and the quiz in

> > > question had no options : it was not a multiple

> > > choice set up and no

> > > hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> > > such that it

> > > could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> > > successful in

> > > answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> > > on a blind chart,

> > > not justifying a known event. So a successful

> > > attempt at a blind quiz

> > > with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> > > remains

> > > technically the same.

> > >

> > > I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> > > but what is the

> > > complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> > > (placements,

> > > aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> > > divisional

> > > charts? The principles and application remains the

> > > same but the

> > > kshetra changes.

> > >

> > > ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> > > and the rasi

> > > framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> > > zooms in on a year

> > > and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> > > efforts of going

> > > deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> > > transits. Surely such a

> > > method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> > > principles to ATP on

> > > several charts and make your own judgements.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , SPK

> > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> > > known

> > > > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> > > and

> > > > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > > > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> > > event

> > > > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> > > from

> > > > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > > > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > > > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > > > will be capable of giving a result.

> > > >

> > > > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> > > practicing

> > > > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > > > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> > > So

> > > > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> > > rashi

> > > > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > > > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > > > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > > > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> > > is

> > > > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > > > parashari is a must).

> > > >

> > > > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > > > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > > > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > > > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> > > the

> > > > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > > > question, not his books.

> > > >

> > > > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> > > quiz

> > > > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > > > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > > > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > > > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> > > in

> > > > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > > > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > > > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> > > that

> > > > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > > > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> > > and

> > > > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> > > these

> > > > things. So a prediction should be on something

> > > which

> > > > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> > > to

> > > > predict.

> > > >

> > > > anyway.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> ____________________

> > > ______________

> > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > > alternative

> > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center.

> > > > http://autos./green_center/

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ____________________

> ______________

> > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives

> you all the tools to get online.

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ATP = Annual Tithi Pravesha.

Please refer to the quiz posted on JR a few weeks back for a

practical example of its application. PVR Narasimha Rao has also

given countless demonstrations of its effectiveness. Anyway the

reason I mentioned ATP was to highlight that if bhavas and aspects

can be used in divisionals even in the ATP then what to say of the

basic Rasi-D-charts framework?

 

Also, I kindly request you to please keep the language noble as there

really is no need to label contributions as rubbish talk without

familiarisation with the background knowledge.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> What do You mean by ATP ?

> Please esplain by example chart ?

> We had enough of nonsense of theories which can be put

> here by all the members from reading books.

> We need practical examples and supported logical evidence

> by application of astrological principles.

> Put these. and talk.

> No other rubbish talks are neccissitated by the members.

>

> Theories with examples and the ,logical application

> of principles,which have been time tested on 500 charts

> if not thousand, is the demand of the hour.

> No new theories or tyring to espose any further

> intelligence unsupported.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > ATP chart(s) can be used in place of the original rasi framework

as

> > the ATP is representative of the rasi and transits, merged into

an

> > annual snapshot.

> >

> > So parameters: placements, aspects, lordships, bhavat bhavam,

> > karakatwas remain as they are. And so does the number of charts

if

> > ATP is alone referred to (as in most cases). Simple case of

> > substitution. Just a model replacement that is underpinned by the

> > original framework.

> >

> > Thus same parameters, same technique. Limitations arise from an

> > unwillingness to explore and apply methods to practical charts.

> >

> > Jyotish can be expressed in any manner as long as the goal of

> > prediction is satisfied as it is essentially an art. Some will

> > express Jyoitsh with a firm adherence to rasi (those with a

strong

> > Saturn) enjoying the patient, laborious approach. While others

(those

> > with strong Mercury/ Gemini influence will prefer to use an array

of

> > methods. A strong Venus-influenced Jyotishi would express this

art

> > with creative approaches and maybe even uncover new methods (or

use

> > planets from Star Trek!). Thus the inherent inclinations of all

are

> > catered for. Let's not restrict, oversimplify and constrain this

> > great art.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

> > > nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

> > > One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

> > > surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

> > > trek.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> > > > and the quiz in

> > > > question had no options : it was not a multiple

> > > > choice set up and no

> > > > hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> > > > such that it

> > > > could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> > > > successful in

> > > > answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> > > > on a blind chart,

> > > > not justifying a known event. So a successful

> > > > attempt at a blind quiz

> > > > with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> > > > remains

> > > > technically the same.

> > > >

> > > > I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> > > > but what is the

> > > > complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> > > > (placements,

> > > > aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> > > > divisional

> > > > charts? The principles and application remains the

> > > > same but the

> > > > kshetra changes.

> > > >

> > > > ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> > > > and the rasi

> > > > framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> > > > zooms in on a year

> > > > and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> > > > efforts of going

> > > > deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> > > > transits. Surely such a

> > > > method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> > > > principles to ATP on

> > > > several charts and make your own judgements.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , SPK

> > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> > > > known

> > > > > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> > > > and

> > > > > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > > > > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> > > > event

> > > > > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> > > > from

> > > > > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > > > > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > > > > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > > > > will be capable of giving a result.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> > > > practicing

> > > > > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > > > > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> > > > So

> > > > > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> > > > rashi

> > > > > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > > > > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > > > > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > > > > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> > > > is

> > > > > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > > > > parashari is a must).

> > > > >

> > > > > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > > > > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > > > > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > > > > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> > > > the

> > > > > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > > > > question, not his books.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> > > > quiz

> > > > > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > > > > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > > > > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > > > > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> > > > in

> > > > > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > > > > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > > > > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> > > > that

> > > > > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > > > > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> > > > and

> > > > > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> > > > these

> > > > > things. So a prediction should be on something

> > > > which

> > > > > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> > > > to

> > > > > predict.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

____________________

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > > > alternative

> > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center.

> > > > > http://autos./green_center/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

____________________

> > ______________

> > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business

gives

> > you all the tools to get online.

> > > http://smallbusiness./webhosting

> > >

> >

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A usefull link in this regard, with a few case study examples:

 

http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/tithipravesh.htm

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan

wrote:

>

> ATP = Annual Tithi Pravesha.

> Please refer to the quiz posted on JR a few weeks back for a

> practical example of its application. PVR Narasimha Rao has also

> given countless demonstrations of its effectiveness. Anyway the

> reason I mentioned ATP was to highlight that if bhavas and aspects

> can be used in divisionals even in the ATP then what to say of the

> basic Rasi-D-charts framework?

>

> Also, I kindly request you to please keep the language noble as

there

> really is no need to label contributions as rubbish talk without

> familiarisation with the background knowledge.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > What do You mean by ATP ?

> > Please esplain by example chart ?

> > We had enough of nonsense of theories which can be put

> > here by all the members from reading books.

> > We need practical examples and supported logical evidence

> > by application of astrological principles.

> > Put these. and talk.

> > No other rubbish talks are neccissitated by the members.

> >

> > Theories with examples and the ,logical application

> > of principles,which have been time tested on 500 charts

> > if not thousand, is the demand of the hour.

> > No new theories or tyring to espose any further

> > intelligence unsupported.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > ATP chart(s) can be used in place of the original rasi

framework

> as

> > > the ATP is representative of the rasi and transits, merged into

> an

> > > annual snapshot.

> > >

> > > So parameters: placements, aspects, lordships, bhavat bhavam,

> > > karakatwas remain as they are. And so does the number of charts

> if

> > > ATP is alone referred to (as in most cases). Simple case of

> > > substitution. Just a model replacement that is underpinned by

the

> > > original framework.

> > >

> > > Thus same parameters, same technique. Limitations arise from an

> > > unwillingness to explore and apply methods to practical charts.

> > >

> > > Jyotish can be expressed in any manner as long as the goal of

> > > prediction is satisfied as it is essentially an art. Some will

> > > express Jyoitsh with a firm adherence to rasi (those with a

> strong

> > > Saturn) enjoying the patient, laborious approach. While others

> (those

> > > with strong Mercury/ Gemini influence will prefer to use an

array

> of

> > > methods. A strong Venus-influenced Jyotishi would express this

> art

> > > with creative approaches and maybe even uncover new methods

(or

> use

> > > planets from Star Trek!). Thus the inherent inclinations of all

> are

> > > catered for. Let's not restrict, oversimplify and constrain

this

> > > great art.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

> > > > nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

> > > > One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

> > > > surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

> > > > trek.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> > > > > and the quiz in

> > > > > question had no options : it was not a multiple

> > > > > choice set up and no

> > > > > hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> > > > > such that it

> > > > > could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> > > > > successful in

> > > > > answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> > > > > on a blind chart,

> > > > > not justifying a known event. So a successful

> > > > > attempt at a blind quiz

> > > > > with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> > > > > remains

> > > > > technically the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> > > > > but what is the

> > > > > complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> > > > > (placements,

> > > > > aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > charts? The principles and application remains the

> > > > > same but the

> > > > > kshetra changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> > > > > and the rasi

> > > > > framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> > > > > zooms in on a year

> > > > > and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> > > > > efforts of going

> > > > > deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> > > > > transits. Surely such a

> > > > > method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> > > > > principles to ATP on

> > > > > several charts and make your own judgements.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , SPK

> > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> > > > > known

> > > > > > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > > > > > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> > > > > event

> > > > > > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> > > > > from

> > > > > > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > > > > > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > > > > > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > > > > > will be capable of giving a result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> > > > > practicing

> > > > > > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > > > > > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> > > > > rashi

> > > > > > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > > > > > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > > > > > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > > > > > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> > > > > is

> > > > > > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > > > > > parashari is a must).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > > > > > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > > > > > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > > > > > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > > > > > question, not his books.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> > > > > quiz

> > > > > > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > > > > > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > > > > > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > > > > > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > > > > > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > > > > > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > > > > > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> > > > > and

> > > > > > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> > > > > these

> > > > > > things. So a prediction should be on something

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> > > > > to

> > > > > > predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

____________________

> > > > > ______________

> > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > > > > alternative

> > > > > vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center.

> > > > > > http://autos./green_center/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

____________________

> > > ______________

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> > > you all the tools to get online.

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//Also, I kindly request you to please keep the language noble as there

> really is no need to label contributions as rubbish talk without

> familiarisation with the background knowledge.//

 

 

I beg to be forgiven. That was not for you, but for the other

posts being witnessed in abundance.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> ATP = Annual Tithi Pravesha.

> Please refer to the quiz posted on JR a few weeks back for a

> practical example of its application. PVR Narasimha Rao has also

> given countless demonstrations of its effectiveness. Anyway the

> reason I mentioned ATP was to highlight that if bhavas and aspects

> can be used in divisionals even in the ATP then what to say of the

> basic Rasi-D-charts framework?

>

> Also, I kindly request you to please keep the language noble as there

> really is no need to label contributions as rubbish talk without

> familiarisation with the background knowledge.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > What do You mean by ATP ?

> > Please esplain by example chart ?

> > We had enough of nonsense of theories which can be put

> > here by all the members from reading books.

> > We need practical examples and supported logical evidence

> > by application of astrological principles.

> > Put these. and talk.

> > No other rubbish talks are neccissitated by the members.

> >

> > Theories with examples and the ,logical application

> > of principles,which have been time tested on 500 charts

> > if not thousand, is the demand of the hour.

> > No new theories or tyring to espose any further

> > intelligence unsupported.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ATP chart(s) can be used in place of the original rasi framework

> as

> > > the ATP is representative of the rasi and transits, merged into

> an

> > > annual snapshot.

> > >

> > > So parameters: placements, aspects, lordships, bhavat bhavam,

> > > karakatwas remain as they are. And so does the number of charts

> if

> > > ATP is alone referred to (as in most cases). Simple case of

> > > substitution. Just a model replacement that is underpinned by the

> > > original framework.

> > >

> > > Thus same parameters, same technique. Limitations arise from an

> > > unwillingness to explore and apply methods to practical charts.

> > >

> > > Jyotish can be expressed in any manner as long as the goal of

> > > prediction is satisfied as it is essentially an art. Some will

> > > express Jyoitsh with a firm adherence to rasi (those with a

> strong

> > > Saturn) enjoying the patient, laborious approach. While others

> (those

> > > with strong Mercury/ Gemini influence will prefer to use an array

> of

> > > methods. A strong Venus-influenced Jyotishi would express this

> art

> > > with creative approaches and maybe even uncover new methods (or

> use

> > > planets from Star Trek!). Thus the inherent inclinations of all

> are

> > > catered for. Let's not restrict, oversimplify and constrain this

> > > great art.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > Composite prediction, composite apprach. One of those

> > > > nice phrases. Composite confusion, that waht it is.

> > > > One more parameter, one more technique. It would not

> > > > surprise me if a few start using planets from satr

> > > > trek.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The answer of a quiz is known only to the initiator,

> > > > > and the quiz in

> > > > > question had no options : it was not a multiple

> > > > > choice set up and no

> > > > > hints at all were given. The nature of the event was

> > > > > such that it

> > > > > could not have been guessed. Hence anyone that is

> > > > > successful in

> > > > > answering would be in actuality making a prediction

> > > > > on a blind chart,

> > > > > not justifying a known event. So a successful

> > > > > attempt at a blind quiz

> > > > > with no hints/options = prediction. The methodology

> > > > > remains

> > > > > technically the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that too many parameters can be confusing,

> > > > > but what is the

> > > > > complexity in applying the same set of parameters

> > > > > (placements,

> > > > > aspects, lordships, significations, bhavta bhavam)to

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > charts? The principles and application remains the

> > > > > same but the

> > > > > kshetra changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > ATP, from what I understand is a fusion of transits

> > > > > and the rasi

> > > > > framework and uses the tithi ashotarri dasha. It

> > > > > zooms in on a year

> > > > > and enables a composite prediction and saves the

> > > > > efforts of going

> > > > > deep into vimshotrarri dasha analysis/daily

> > > > > transits. Surely such a

> > > > > method is invaluable? Please apply the core

> > > > > principles to ATP on

> > > > > several charts and make your own judgements.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , SPK

> > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point can never be proven with quizzes, or

> > > > > known

> > > > > > events. The people who have propogated D-charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> > > > > > pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any

> > > > > event

> > > > > > can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in

> > > > > from

> > > > > > probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> > > > > > Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> > > > > > lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> > > > > > will be capable of giving a result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a

> > > > > practicing

> > > > > > astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> > > > > > with so many parameters that he can never predict.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > he uses time tested parameters, which are Main

> > > > > rashi

> > > > > > chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> > > > > > rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> > > > > > predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> > > > > > alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd

> > > > > is

> > > > > > FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> > > > > > parashari is a must).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The person who proposed system's approach has

> > > > > > simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> > > > > > benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> > > > > > doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> > > > > > question, not his books.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point is not quizzes, but predictions. In a

> > > > > quiz

> > > > > > there are a few possibilities and if 10 people

> > > > > > participate 1 of them will be right, and if used

> > > > > > annual TP in D-10 and used D-60 to tell about past

> > > > > > life he becomes king of the hill. So the proof is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > predicting an event which has not a obvious or

> > > > > > statistically overwhelming support or conventional

> > > > > > wisdom. I had, on this list last year predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Federer will win US open( I did not know federer's

> > > > > > chart and I did not have to) This is quite obvious

> > > > > and

> > > > > > anyone who follows a sport can resonably predict

> > > > > these

> > > > > > things. So a prediction should be on something

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is difficult for people who do not know astrology

> > > > > to

> > > > > > predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Satish ji

 

You have highlighted few brilliant points.

 

Please read my reply underneath your comments:

 

 

>

> The point can never be proven with quizzes, or known

> events. The people who have propogated D-charts, and

> numerous parameters, the latest is Annual Thithi

> pravesh, with D- charts. Rest assured that any event

> can be justified in ANY chart. Just look at in from

> probabilty satndpoint. If you look at a chart from

> Lagna, Arudh Lagna, Karaka lagna, Moon lagna, Sun

> lagna, Now do the same in a D- chart, Every planet

> will be capable of giving a result.

 

 

[Prafulla] Very true. That is why, when one specific parameter is put to test,

then oher interpretation issues are ignored for testing purpose. Only at some

stage of its testing - the overriding factors are to be considered.

 

Yes - Only Event matching - at some stage - falls into " fixing " jyotish. With so

many parameters - and almost each planet becoming the candidate for event - we

are often, moving no where.

 

>

> Finn Wandl who used to be on this list, a practicing

> astrologer, had it right. He said he gets confused

> with so many parameters that he can never predict. So

> he uses time tested parameters, which are Main rashi

> chart, get strengths through amshas, use of

> rashi-tulya navansha, etc. One can never be a good

> predictor if one can not predict from rashi chart

> alone and a few supporting parameters( Key worsd is

> FEw not 100s) and vimshottari dasha ( use of laghu

> parashari is a must).

>

 

[Prafulla] That is why prediction fails. Almost all traditionalists / authors

emphasises on D1 chart. Traditionalists in northern India extends to Bhava

Chalit Chart.

 

> The person who proposed system's approach has

> simplified it greatly. He uses 11th lord as most

> benefic( A slap in the face of laghu parashari). I

> doubt KN Rao uses all these D-chart to arrive at the

> main gist of the chart. Only he can answer this

> question, not his books.

>

 

[Prafulla] Shri VK Choudhry has, indeed done a commendable task. Irrespective of

the criticism that he has deviated a bit from vedic astrology; but for SA

practioners - he has delivered an interpretation model, which is free from

contradicitons. It ensures consistent application of its principles. No

unnecessary overriding principles. and It works !!

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

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